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USNWR University rankings 2020 for the ACC.
10 Duke
15 Notre Dame
27 Wake Forest
28 UVA
29 Georgia Tech
29 UNC-ch
37 Boston College
54 Syracuse
57 FSU
57 Miami
57 Pittsburgh
70 Clemson
74 Virginia Tech
84 NC State
192 Louisville

FSU has moved up quite a bit. The last time I checked these rankings, they were 102.
09-10-2019 01:04 PM
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So did UF...I bet it is due to extreme pressure to get into both schools.
09-10-2019 02:20 PM
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RE: USNWR University rankings 2020 for the ACC.
(09-10-2019 02:20 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  So did UF...I bet it is due to extreme pressure to get into both schools.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-co...e-rankings

You would not make it past your first doctoral committee meeting using US news metrics to compare universities.

30% of the score is how fast you graduate students and how able you are to stop transfers. This puts a stem or anyone with a two year undergraduate college at a disadvantage.
5% goes to graduating all your Pell Grant receptients.
8% goes to class size so if you take one of my son's current classes it is split as History, PS, and Peace War and Defense. There are 20 seats in each so in reality it's a 60 person class - but it will be reported as 20.
3% represents teachers who are teaching with a doctorate in their field - certain disciplines are less dependent on this for excellence. Especially the business schools.
20% is the outside opinion of other education people. Just opinion - no metrics.
10% is per student spending - high cost private insitutions spend more per student than public schools
10% are the entering classes addmission test scores on the ACT or SAT plus class rank
5% is the rate of Alumni Giving back to the school

USNWR used low hanging fruit to create a bull **** list. The media are so stupid that they latch on to the list.

For various reasons you will always find a rough positive correlation between University size, exclusivity, and high rankings. You can gin up your own rankings by encourging every kid in the state to apply to your school wherether they have a chance in Hell of matriculating. You can game the class size. You can encourage Seniors to retake SATS and you can cut hours needed to graduate to push kids through faster. Without naming names, some ACC schools have been caught gaming the rankings. Some have not been caught but I know of it myself. The bottom line is that if Emory is going to do it just to keep their own Board off the adminstration's back that should tell you all you need to know.

The US news rankings are rankings of how easy or difficult it is to get into a particular univeity - all things being equal. It does not measure the quality of the education.
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RE: USNWR University rankings 2020 for the ACC.
(09-10-2019 01:04 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Here's the reason for their ranking:

10 Duke (Small size, National Applicant Pool, Rich Alums, Damn hard to get into - legitimate reputation)
15 Notre Dame (See Duke)
27 Wake Forest (See Duke, but with a Southest Regional Applicant Pool)
28 UVA (See Duke, but not so small with a Southern and Eastern Regional Applicant Pool)
29 Georgia Tech (Small size, got to be an Egg Head, legitimate rep)
29 UNC-ch (National Applicant Pool but limited to 18%, U policy to graduate all Pell students, short length majors, legitimate reputation in many subjects)
37 Boston College (Not informed enough to say but assume Mass and Yankee kids have higher SAT/ACT scores than southern kids)
54 Syracuse (See BC)
57 FSU (Curious as to what is happening versus Florida)
57 Miami (See Notre Dame)
57 Pittsburgh (See Syracuse)
70 Clemson (Specifically decided to curtail the growth of the student population in the 1990 making it smaller and more exclusive)
74 Virginia Tech (Military component and longer technical degrees makes VT slow for graduation - has an extension program that takes chances on kids)
84 NC State (Longest average number of hours needed for STEM degree in NC - reputationally unable to leap past Duke, UNC, and WF in their own state, has an extension program that takes chances on kids)
192 Louisville (I don;t have as much insight, but I assume that Daddy can still send his average girl to UL and she will drag down the already skewed metrics) Like Meridith to NC State, or Radford to VT or Mary Baldwin to UVa.

FSU has moved up quite a bit. The last time I checked these rankings, they were 102.

The real irony of such rankings is that undergraduate education at most of these schools is a second thought. Grad work is the core of UNC-Ch, NC State, Miami, Pitt, GT. VT, Duke, and UVa.
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RE: USNWR University rankings 2020 for the ACC.
Every time the USN&WR rankings are crapped on an angel gets its wings.

They're garbage. They're bogus. There is almost nothing objective about them. It's brain food for the brain dead.

GT probably lost 15-20 spots just for graduating on time. GT is notorious for the 5 year plan and the M-Train 5 year option.
09-11-2019 05:37 PM
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RE: USNWR University rankings 2020 for the ACC.
I can enlighten the situation for Louisville a bit ...

And I want to say that in the not-too-distant past, the U of L rank would have been in the 300's. So while we look like total failures, the improvement is dramatic. Anyway ......


The mission of the school has been to primarily serve the community it is in. Which, as an urban institution, brings with it a disadvantaged population.

Additionally, there i a significant non-traditional-student population, working full time, taking classes in their spare time, who usually take longer to graduate. This metric penalizes you for those students.

So ... from the start, U of L has been kinda knee-capped by some of these measurements.

Having said all that ....

The school is REALLY trying hard, to improve, and inclusion in the ACC is a driving part of that desire. The last few freshmen classes, I think going back the last 5 or 6 years ... each year the average test scores for entry has set a record for incoming freshmen classes. So there is steady improvement on the capability of kids coming to school there.

Also ... the out-of-state student population has risen dramatically, and can probably be charted next to the emergence of the strong sports programs U of L has fielded in the past decade or decade and a half.


So while we are clearly the outlier in the conference ... our mission is much different from many, and the student we are charged with serving is different too, although the percentage of those students in terms of total make up of the student body is evening out.

We will always have that mission, as I think the school should. But the intent is to continue the dramatic improvement and has shown improvement.

I won't kid you and say we will ever be at the top of this conference in academic reputation, or rankings, of any kind. But we will someday, be much closer to the rest of the conference, when it comes to these kinds of measurements.
09-11-2019 08:16 PM
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RE: USNWR University rankings 2020 for the ACC.
(09-11-2019 08:16 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  I can enlighten the situation for Louisville a bit ...

And I want to say that in the not-too-distant past, the U of L rank would have been in the 300's. So while we look like total failures, the improvement is dramatic. Anyway ......


The mission of the school has been to primarily serve the community it is in. Which, as an urban institution, brings with it a disadvantaged population.

Additionally, there i a significant non-traditional-student population, working full time, taking classes in their spare time, who usually take longer to graduate. This metric penalizes you for those students.

So ... from the start, U of L has been kinda knee-capped by some of these measurements.

Having said all that ....

The school is REALLY trying hard, to improve, and inclusion in the ACC is a driving part of that desire. The last few freshmen classes, I think going back the last 5 or 6 years ... each year the average test scores for entry has set a record for incoming freshmen classes. So there is steady improvement on the capability of kids coming to school there.

Also ... the out-of-state student population has risen dramatically, and can probably be charted next to the emergence of the strong sports programs U of L has fielded in the past decade or decade and a half.


So while we are clearly the outlier in the conference ... our mission is much different from many, and the student we are charged with serving is different too, although the percentage of those students in terms of total make up of the student body is evening out.

We will always have that mission, as I think the school should. But the intent is to continue the dramatic improvement and has shown improvement.

I won't kid you and say we will ever be at the top of this conference in academic reputation, or rankings, of any kind. But we will someday, be much closer to the rest of the conference, when it comes to these kinds of measurements.

One of the prime examples of this is how Louisville is set up as a "metroversity" to UPS -- one of the biggest employers in the state. This is a huge airport hub for UPS in the U.S., as well as tons of office workers manning tracking, data analyses, etc. They encourage and pay for their employees to go to school -- actually a huge portion of their employees are part-time, so that is a huge draw both ways.

So as stated above, Louisville will always have a ton of working "commuters" who are part time students versus schools that are in smaller towns and focused on being a college to recent high school grads.
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