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RE: Why did not the ACC pick up UConn?
(07-10-2019 09:48 AM)panite Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 05:42 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  I've always been a "UCONN to the ACC made sense" guy but now, consider it a bullet dodged. You guys chose well with UL. Hoping that the AAC can turn this into a double win by luring BYU.

Amen to the post above. UConn is a financial dumpster fire right now and is in the process of throwing its FB program under the bus with their current move back to the BE Nostalgic Era for regional play. UConn posters are salivating over bus rides to Seton Hall, Providence, and St John's. Villanova travel is the same as travel to Temple and G'Town has to be a flight unless their programs are going to sit on a bus in traffic for 6- 8 hours one way. Some one in the ACC should tell them Syracuse, ND, L'Ville, VT, BC, and Miami all left for the ACC and the only real nostalgic area rivals left are Villanova and G'Town. To make a play off the food references above, maybe UConn has settled on leaving cube steak for tube steak because they surely aren't leaving the AAC for Prime Rib on the P5 buffet table. 07-coffee3

Yukon is heading back to his old G/F. His second favorite one though. He still can't sleep in the same house with Sarah, Louise and Burgi and he just dumped Cindy too. So while Yukon is going overtime with Georgi at an empty notel motel in DC he still remembers the 6 times he did it with Sarah. He will still pine away for the girls that got away and married up.
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Why did not the ACC pick up UConn?
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(07-08-2019 06:53 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  In the end the Louisville was lucky that Maryland couldn’t manage its money; otherwise Louisville would still be in The American.

IMO, if Maryland had stayed in the ACC, UofL and UC are virtual locks to be in the Big 12 right now. It would have made way too much sense back in 2015/2016 as the playoff was settling in...

The only other realistic candidate would have been BYU, and it's clear from the 2016 saga that the Big 12 couldn't get over their issues.

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If Maryland had stayed would the ACC still had felt the need to sign a GOR? If not the Big 12 (-2) would have kept pursuing FSU & friends. As it turned out Maryland left & FSU got locked into the ACC & then Louisville was added. The Big 12 (-2) plans crumbled quickly. Using hindsight, Louisville & Cincinnati should have been added with WV & TCU.


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I did not like seeing the Big East dissolve. If the AAC could have splintered off (separated from the basketball schools) Big East before SU, Pitt, WVU, UL left, the league could have looked pretty good and they may have had been able to keep UConn and possibly have added BSU and TCU. A pretty formidable league:

East: SU, Pitt WVU, UConn, UCF, USF, Temple
West: BSU, TCU, Memphis, Houston, UC, UL, Navy
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(07-14-2019 02:35 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(07-12-2019 01:55 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 06:53 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  In the end the Louisville was lucky that Maryland couldn’t manage its money; otherwise Louisville would still be in The American.

IMO, if Maryland had stayed in the ACC, UofL and UC are virtual locks to be in the Big 12 right now. It would have made way too much sense back in 2015/2016 as the playoff was settling in...

The only other realistic candidate would have been BYU, and it's clear from the 2016 saga that the Big 12 couldn't get over their issues.

Damn those stupid turtles and their crazy state flag.


If Maryland had stayed would the ACC still had felt the need to sign a GOR? If not the Big 12 (-2) would have kept pursuing FSU & friends. As it turned out Maryland left & FSU got locked into the ACC & then Louisville was added. The Big 12 (-2) plans crumbled quickly. Using hindsight, Louisville & Cincinnati should have been added with WV & TCU.


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MD leaving and the GOR are two separate things. The GOR cements the ESPN value of the addition of Syracuse, Pitt, and ND.

For those of you new to the ACC and younger than 50 you have no idea how ****** up MD became after they lost many of the graduate programs in 1970, and how worse it got when Len Bias died in 1986, and what Brit Kirwan goals were for the MD System. The sports element is just an element.

Think of a sugar cube you see the cube in the sugar bowl and you think you know what you see. In reality you are seeing a combination of Carbon, Hydrogen, and Oxygen. C6H12O6 to be more precise. The ACC and MD and Sports is just one element of a compound of issues that related to power in the MD system, corruption in the MD fundraising system, Brits' dislike of the ptb at Duke and UNC, and his love for Ohio State, etc. The real game was UMCP getting control of all other UM institutions in MD, especially the graduate programs in Baltimore. Anything that worked as tool toward that end was used and the fight persists.
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(07-07-2019 02:40 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  And they burned bridges with the lawsuit.

This.
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AAC commish Mike Aresco says league will stay at 11 schools after UConn leaves. “We have no plans to add a member to replace UConn,” he said. “We're not targeting anyone”
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AAC commish Mike Aresco says league will stay at 11 schools after UConn leaves. “We have no plans to add a member to replace UConn,” he said. “We're not targeting anyone”

This is the right thing to say even though it probably is not completely true. They would be crazy not to inquire of BYU for at least as a football only add. They will probably be content to stay at 11 football members, but I bet there will be an arms race between C-USA members to see who can stand out the most to grab that 12th spot in a few years.
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AAC commish Mike Aresco says league will stay at 11 schools after UConn leaves. “We have no plans to add a member to replace UConn,” he said. “We're not targeting anyone”

This is the right thing to say even though it probably is not completely true. They would be crazy not to inquire of BYU for at least as a football only add. They will probably be content to stay at 11 football members, but I bet there will be an arms race between C-USA members to see who can stand out the most to grab that 12th spot in a few years.

The AAC is only going to add schools that add to the brand value or increases revenue. Just as the ACC will never add Cincinnati, UConn or any other G5 schools, the AAC will not add an additional C-USA school. Its BYU, Army or stay 11.
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I can’t imagine the unbalanced divisions will be something that will work for the long term unless deregulation is passed. Assuming it does not pass and BYU and Army say “No” the AAC will have to go to C-USA or maybe think bigger by picking apart the best of the MWC, but I don’t know if going 15-16 is feasable or desirable.

There is no major conference that thought uneven number of members is a good idea. The BigTen made it work for a while, but without a CCG. Aresco is bluffing or the AACCG will be done away with. There really is no good reason to keep it if it does not help the conference get into the playoffs. The best they can hope for keeping it is to beat out the MWC for that NY6 bowl invite.
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(Today 09:23 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I can’t imagine the unbalanced divisions will be something that will work for the long term unless deregulation is passed. Assuming it does not pass and BYU and Army say “No” the AAC will have to go to C-USA or maybe think bigger by picking apart the best of the MWC, but I don’t know if going 15-16 is freasable or desirable.

If the conference gets the waiver there will be no divisions. The commissioner seems confident they will get the waiver. The Big 10 did this for 20 years.
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AAC commish Mike Aresco says league will stay at 11 schools after UConn leaves. “We have no plans to add a member to replace UConn,” he said. “We're not targeting anyone”

This is the right thing to say even though it probably is not completely true. They would be crazy not to inquire of BYU for at least as a football only add. They will probably be content to stay at 11 football members, but I bet there will be an arms race between C-USA members to see who can stand out the most to grab that 12th spot in a few years.

Im thinking that this is being said because they may have already approached BYU and got a big fat NO! BYU does not want to appear at all in an inferior position to Utah. So BYU will not entertain any membership ideas from any G5 conference. Remember, BYU left the MWC for independence when Utah was invited to the PAC.
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BYU pride. When the music stops they may be left standing. Their brand still holds value and they could be a piece of the puzzle that makes the AAC into a legit P6 conference.
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At one time I thought the BC/Uconn rivalry could develop into something big. Maybe rivaling Duke/UNC and Ky/Louisville. The fans clearly hate each other. There was the rumor of BC vetoing Uconn during the 2011 expansion. The lawsuit. They are ~90 minutes apart. Throw in some academic snobbery.

What ever potential was there is just about, if not completely, gone.
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AAC commish Mike Aresco says league will stay at 11 schools after UConn leaves. “We have no plans to add a member to replace UConn,” he said. “We're not targeting anyone”

This is the right thing to say even though it probably is not completely true. They would be crazy not to inquire of BYU for at least as a football only add. They will probably be content to stay at 11 football members, but I bet there will be an arms race between C-USA members to see who can stand out the most to grab that 12th spot in a few years.

Im thinking that this is being said because they may have already approached BYU and got a big fat NO! BYU does not want to appear at all in an inferior position to Utah. So BYU will not entertain any membership ideas from any G5 conference. Remember, BYU left the MWC for independence when Utah was invited to the PAC.

Why would joining the AAC make BYU look any more inferior than they already do now?

BYU has NO path to a NY6 bowl game at present. They would gain that in the AAC.

The B1G OK'd Cincinnati and UConn as P5 acceptable to meet their OOC P5 scheduling requirements. I'm sure they'd do the same for BYU.

Actually, being in the AAC is a lot more advantageous for reaching a NY6 bowl. All we have to do is be ranked higher than the MWC, MAC and CUSA champs to get there.

Good luck to all of you in getting past Clemson. Good luck to the SEC getting past 'Bama and Georgia. Good luck to the B1G getting past Ohio St. or an occasional couple of others.

… Well, I guess you could join the PAC12.
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We don't have to get past Clemson. Just win 10 or so games and in most years the 2nd best ACC team can receive a NY6 Bowl slot too.

Cuse would have been in the Orange Bowl last year except for the bad luck of being the year the #2 gets the Camping World Bowl.
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(Today 11:20 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  
(Today 10:20 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
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AAC commish Mike Aresco says league will stay at 11 schools after UConn leaves. “We have no plans to add a member to replace UConn,” he said. “We're not targeting anyone”

This is the right thing to say even though it probably is not completely true. They would be crazy not to inquire of BYU for at least as a football only add. They will probably be content to stay at 11 football members, but I bet there will be an arms race between C-USA members to see who can stand out the most to grab that 12th spot in a few years.

Im thinking that this is being said because they may have already approached BYU and got a big fat NO! BYU does not want to appear at all in an inferior position to Utah. So BYU will not entertain any membership ideas from any G5 conference. Remember, BYU left the MWC for independence when Utah was invited to the PAC.

Why would joining the AAC make BYU look any more inferior than they already do now?

BYU has NO path to a NY6 bowl game at present. They would gain that in the AAC.

The B1G OK'd Cincinnati and UConn as P5 acceptable to meet their OOC P5 scheduling requirements. I'm sure they'd do the same for BYU.

Actually, being in the AAC is a lot more advantageous for reaching a NY6 bowl. All we have to do is be ranked higher than the MWC, MAC and CUSA champs to get there.

Good luck to all of you in getting past Clemson. Good luck to the SEC getting past 'Bama and Georgia. Good luck to the B1G getting past Ohio St. or an occasional couple of others.

… Well, I guess you could join the PAC12.

Well, BYU being independent, may think of themselves as ND rather than any G5 school. They also have the name brand value, and recognition and fb pedigree that blows away all other G5 programs.

I agree with you that other conferences would consider BYU as P5, if they haven't already. BYU, once having their own tv network, with a readymade audience of 8 million Mormons in the USA is quite different from any G5 school and even many P5 schools. And if BYU is ranked high enough, with their national traveling fans can get to a NY bowl without being in a conference. BYU is very well respected in fb circles.

And regarding SU getting passed Clemson, well SU is one of only 2 teams to actually beat Clemson the last three years. The other being Pitt. Those two schools didn't come to the ACC because they thought they were going to breeze thru the league every year. I would much rather that SU has to get thru the likes of Clemson and FSU than be the highest ranked G5.
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(Today 10:24 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  BYU pride. When the music stops they may be left standing. Their brand still holds value and they could be a piece of the puzzle that makes the AAC into a legit P6 conference.

The only schools that could turn a G5 conference into a P6 conference are schools that are not only already in a P5 conference, but perennial winners at that level. BYU won't do it, Boise State won't do it and who else is there? And somehow, I doubt Oklahoma and/or Texas are going to ask for an invite from the AAC or MWC anytime soon.

The only way schools now in G5 conferences are going to get into a P conference is via expansion of the P5. That's highly unlikely in today's climate.
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(Today 10:24 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  BYU pride. When the music stops they may be left standing. Their brand still holds value and they could be a piece of the puzzle that makes the AAC into a legit P6 conference.

The only schools that could turn a G5 conference into a P6 conference are schools that are not only already in a P5 conference, but perennial winners at that level. BYU won't do it, Boise State won't do it and who else is there? And somehow, I doubt Oklahoma and/or Texas are going to ask for an invite from the AAC or MWC anytime soon.

The only way schools now in G5 conferences are going to get into a P conference is via expansion of the P5. That's highly unlikely in today's climate.

If the AAC got their own NY6 bowl then that would legitimize their power conference status. It would also help if they created some separation between them and the MWC so they can shed that G5 label. On the field performance they really are not too far behind the ACC IMO.
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