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RE: ACC Network
Comcast didn’t sign up for ACCN even with the beginning of the ACC basketball season and a Notre Dame basketball game last week. I doubt they’ll be on board until they have to sign their next overall agreement with a Disney. If you were holding back on switching carriers because you figured Comcast would eventually cave, it’s time to switch carriers.

This reduces the revenues of the ACC network for the time being. It can’t catch the SECN and B10 networks yet but it will still be quite profitable.
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To answer my own question from a few weeks ago, it looks like there are going to be a total of 41 football games on the ACCN this first year, assuming I counted correctly.

http://mattsarzsports.com/Contract/GameL...dSjT5pKiUk

Additionally, there are going to be a total of 11 games on ABC, not counting the conference championship, which is down one from the previous year.

We won't know the exact number of games on ESPN until after the BC at Pitt and Miami at Duke games have been slotted for week 14. However, ESPN is going to be either 12 or 13, while last year it was 15, so there is only a 2 or 3 game reduction.

The total number of games across ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, and ESPNEWS is going to be 20. Last year it was 36. So, it is nice to see that the number of games on ABC and ESPN did not go down very much and the bulk of the games on the ACCN came from ESPN2, ESPNU, and games that were on streaming platforms in the past.
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RE: ACC Network
The ACCN has made a major move on FIOS in Richmond.

Previously the ACCN was 329 and HD 829 far away from the sports channels between 70-100 and 570-600.

Now the ACCN has moved to a prime spot at 71 and 571. This is a choice spot.

The sports channels around them are:
70 570 ESPN
71 571 ACCN
72 572 ESPNews
73 573 ESPNU
74 574 ESPN2
75 575 SECN
76 576 NBCSWA
77 577 MASN
78 578 NBCSWA+
79 579 MASN2
83 583 FS1
84 584 FS2
85 585 BTN
86 586 MLBN
87 587 NHLnet
88 588 NFLnet
89 589 NBA TV
90 590 NBCSN
91 591 OLYCH
92 592 Tennis
93 593 Golf
94 594 CBSSN


The real question I had when ACCN launched was, why wasn't it put between 80-82 580-582, but now it seems they were holding out for a better spot. They took the spot previously filled by ESPN goal line.
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(12-12-2019 06:55 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  The ACCN has made a major move on FIOS in Richmond.

Previously the ACCN was 329 and HD 829 far away from the sports channels between 70-100 and 570-600.

Now the ACCN has moved to a prime spot at 71 and 571. This is a choice spot.

The sports channels around them are:
70 570 ESPN
71 571 ACCN
72 572 ESPNews
73 573 ESPNU
74 574 ESPN2
75 575 SECN
76 576 NBCSWA
77 577 MASN
78 578 NBCSWA+
79 579 MASN2
83 583 FS1
84 584 FS2
85 585 BTN
86 586 MLBN
87 587 NHLnet
88 588 NFLnet
89 589 NBA TV
90 590 NBCSN
91 591 OLYCH
92 592 Tennis
93 593 Golf
94 594 CBSSN


The real question I had when ACCN launched was, why wasn't it put between 80-82 580-582, but now it seems they were holding out for a better spot. They took the spot previously filled by ESPN goal line.

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I have to take back some of the s hit I gave The ACC Network after its initial launch. I’ve seen an improvement in their coverage and believe it has started to be more even handed. I have been pleasantly surprised actually.

The only real problem I have seen is during early November when, The SEC and Big Ten were covering football games at Noon, 3:30PM and 7:30PM or 8:00PM, The ACC was doing a best of instead of broadcasting a game. I don’t know if this is a first season situation or something that we will have to live with until our regional contracts are up.

Does anyone else know.
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It's the first season and hopefully there will be a deep dive into what worked and what didn't. My only grip would be the no type of backup plan for when soccer matches run over. Seems to me they should switch over to what pays the bills whether it is football or basketball. The revenue sports should come first. I don't know if the network is capable of broadcasting a game on the regular feed and another game on HD but something needs to be addressed. There were more that a couple of times when ACC soccer matches ran long and the start of either football or basketball games were missed.
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(12-13-2019 01:13 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The only real problem I have seen is during early November when, The SEC and Big Ten were covering football games at Noon, 3:30PM and 7:30PM or 8:00PM, The ACC was doing a best of instead of broadcasting a game. I don’t know if this is a first season situation or something that we will have to live with until our regional contracts are up.

Does anyone else know.

I think a lot of it is what you mentioned regarding the regional contracts. That sub-license agreement takes away 17 football games per season and runs through the 2026-2027 season. That's a good bit of content that won't be available for the ACCN for a while.

Another thing that could potential change a little next year would be the heavy front-loading of the first couple of weeks. This inaugural season, the first week had 1 game on Thursday, 1 on Friday, and 3 on Saturday. Week two had 1 game on Friday and 4 on Saturday. Week three had 1 game on Friday and 3 on Saturday. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the only time we'll see 4 games on one day and there could be fewer Friday night games in the future. My hunch is they really wanted to put a lot of live games on those first several weeks to try to get the providers to sign up. Now that they have most of those contracts signed, there may not be as big of a push to have so many games in the first several weeks, and then they could have a little more balance for the entire season.

Also, one small thing that also made a slight difference was the fact that there were two bye weeks this past season. That thinned things out a little.

Finally, schools may need to work together on scheduling in the future also to try to make sure there is more of a balance with OOC games. There were three games that ended up on ACCNX during week two this past year. It would be nice to avoid having to do that and instead, have those games spread out on other weeks so that they can be shown on ACCN and not streaming only, especially since ACCN doesn't have a spillover channel like the SECN and BTN.
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(12-13-2019 01:23 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  It's the first season and hopefully there will be a deep dive into what worked and what didn't. My only grip would be the no type of backup plan for when soccer matches run over. Seems to me they should switch over to what pays the bills whether it is football or basketball. The revenue sports should come first. I don't know if the network is capable of broadcasting a game on the regular feed and another game on HD but something needs to be addressed. There were more that a couple of times when ACC soccer matches ran long and the start of either football or basketball games were missed.

I don't know of this can be a legitimate excuse when our "partner" should have went through all the growing pains needed with the SECN. They should have already known what works and what doesn't.
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(12-13-2019 02:21 PM)Schema Wrote:  
(12-13-2019 01:13 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The only real problem I have seen is during early November when, The SEC and Big Ten were covering football games at Noon, 3:30PM and 7:30PM or 8:00PM, The ACC was doing a best of instead of broadcasting a game. I don’t know if this is a first season situation or something that we will have to live with until our regional contracts are up.

Does anyone else know.

I think a lot of it is what you mentioned regarding the regional contracts. That sub-license agreement takes away 17 football games per season and runs through the 2026-2027 season. That's a good bit of content that won't be available for the ACCN for a while.

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Quote:Another thing that could potential change a little next year would be the heavy front-loading of the first couple of weeks. This inaugural season, the first week had 1 game on Thursday, 1 on Friday, and 3 on Saturday. Week two had 1 game on Friday and 4 on Saturday. Week three had 1 game on Friday and 3 on Saturday. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the only time we'll see 4 games on one day and there could be fewer Friday night games in the future. My hunch is they really wanted to put a lot of live games on those first several weeks to try to get the providers to sign up. Now that they have most of those contracts signed, there may not be as big of a push to have so many games in the first several weeks, and then they could have a little more balance for the entire season.

Also, one small thing that also made a slight difference was the fact that there were two bye weeks this past season. That thinned things out a little.

Finally, schools may need to work together on scheduling in the future also to try to make sure there is more of a balance with OOC games. There were three games that ended up on ACCNX during week two this past year. It would be nice to avoid having to do that and instead, have those games spread out on other weeks so that they can be shown on ACCN and not streaming only, especially since ACCN doesn't have a spillover channel like the SECN and BTN.

I hate to repeat myself from above but this is exactly the type of thing that our "partner" ESPN should have learned from the start of the SECN and brought to the table and avoided this time.
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(12-13-2019 02:21 PM)Schema Wrote:  Another thing that could potential change a little next year would be the heavy front-loading of the first couple of weeks. This inaugural season, the first week had 1 game on Thursday, 1 on Friday, and 3 on Saturday. Week two had 1 game on Friday and 4 on Saturday. Week three had 1 game on Friday and 3 on Saturday. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the only time we'll see 4 games on one day and there could be fewer Friday night games in the future. My hunch is they really wanted to put a lot of live games on those first several weeks to try to get the providers to sign up. Now that they have most of those contracts signed, there may not be as big of a push to have so many games in the first several weeks, and then they could have a little more balance for the entire season.

Yes, this was probably necessary at first to get cable providers to sign up, but shouldn't be necessary (nor desirable) in the future.

I do hope the schools can work out something to spread out the OOC games - but ultimately that's a school decision. It's not like the ACC office can order someone to play their FCS game on October 18th or whatever... but they SHOULD suggest it!
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(12-13-2019 10:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(12-13-2019 01:23 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  It's the first season and hopefully there will be a deep dive into what worked and what didn't. My only grip would be the no type of backup plan for when soccer matches run over. Seems to me they should switch over to what pays the bills whether it is football or basketball. The revenue sports should come first. I don't know if the network is capable of broadcasting a game on the regular feed and another game on HD but something needs to be addressed. There were more that a couple of times when ACC soccer matches ran long and the start of either football or basketball games were missed.

I don't know of this can be a legitimate excuse when our "partner" should have went through all the growing pains needed with the SECN. They should have already known what works and what doesn't.

You would think that would be the case; however, since the ACC isn't the SEC, a "one size fits all" approach may allow for deficiencies. Case in point the soccer coverage that ran long; thereby affecting the coverage of revenue sports. SEC certainly didn't deal with it because their soccer brand sucks compared to the ACC and they have a spillover channel where the ACC doesn't. Additionally, the ACC have more athletic programs that are well rounded and contend for national championships. It isn't a one trick pony and there are multiple sports that garner multiple interest that may over lap. Male and female soccer fans who care nothing about football or basketball. Hell, there are football fans pissing and moaning because the network is showing basketball games instead of rerun football games and game analysis leading up to bowl season. Certainly the conference would want to address some of these issues.
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(12-14-2019 10:24 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  
(12-13-2019 10:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(12-13-2019 01:23 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  It's the first season and hopefully there will be a deep dive into what worked and what didn't. My only grip would be the no type of backup plan for when soccer matches run over. Seems to me they should switch over to what pays the bills whether it is football or basketball. The revenue sports should come first. I don't know if the network is capable of broadcasting a game on the regular feed and another game on HD but something needs to be addressed. There were more that a couple of times when ACC soccer matches ran long and the start of either football or basketball games were missed.

I don't know of this can be a legitimate excuse when our "partner" should have went through all the growing pains needed with the SECN. They should have already known what works and what doesn't.

You would think that would be the case; however, since the ACC isn't the SEC, a "one size fits all" approach may allow for deficiencies. Case in point the soccer coverage that ran long; thereby affecting the coverage of revenue sports. SEC certainly didn't deal with it because their soccer brand sucks compared to the ACC and they have a spillover channel where the ACC doesn't. Additionally, the ACC have more athletic programs that are well rounded and contend for national championships. It isn't a one trick pony and there are multiple sports that garner multiple interest that may over lap. Male and female soccer fans who care nothing about football or basketball. Hell, there are football fans pissing and moaning because the network is showing basketball games instead of rerun football games and game analysis leading up to bowl season. Certainly the conference would want to address some of these issues.

Which raises the question. When will ACCN get a second channel? I know the RSNs are getting some of the content that would go on a second channel but it seems like there’s still plenty of content for a second channel.
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(12-14-2019 10:35 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  
(12-14-2019 10:24 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  
(12-13-2019 10:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(12-13-2019 01:23 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  It's the first season and hopefully there will be a deep dive into what worked and what didn't. My only grip would be the no type of backup plan for when soccer matches run over. Seems to me they should switch over to what pays the bills whether it is football or basketball. The revenue sports should come first. I don't know if the network is capable of broadcasting a game on the regular feed and another game on HD but something needs to be addressed. There were more that a couple of times when ACC soccer matches ran long and the start of either football or basketball games were missed.

I don't know of this can be a legitimate excuse when our "partner" should have went through all the growing pains needed with the SECN. They should have already known what works and what doesn't.

You would think that would be the case; however, since the ACC isn't the SEC, a "one size fits all" approach may allow for deficiencies. Case in point the soccer coverage that ran long; thereby affecting the coverage of revenue sports. SEC certainly didn't deal with it because their soccer brand sucks compared to the ACC and they have a spillover channel where the ACC doesn't. Additionally, the ACC have more athletic programs that are well rounded and contend for national championships. It isn't a one trick pony and there are multiple sports that garner multiple interest that may over lap. Male and female soccer fans who care nothing about football or basketball. Hell, there are football fans pissing and moaning because the network is showing basketball games instead of rerun football games and game analysis leading up to bowl season. Certainly the conference would want to address some of these issues.

Which raises the question. When will ACCN get a second channel? I know the RSNs are getting some of the content that would go on a second channel but it seems like there’s still plenty of content for a second channel.

Not during football season. Not with FOX RSN holding so many games. The last several weeks of the college football season have featured basketball games on ACCN. That's not a revenue optimal solution. I'd also want to focus on advertising on ACCN before adding another channel. The advertising on ACCN right now suggests poor compensation. Packer and Durham is full of ads for medical prescription equipment and MyPillow and all the other garbage you'd find on cable TV at 3AM.
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(12-14-2019 10:24 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  
(12-13-2019 10:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(12-13-2019 01:23 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  It's the first season and hopefully there will be a deep dive into what worked and what didn't. My only grip would be the no type of backup plan for when soccer matches run over. Seems to me they should switch over to what pays the bills whether it is football or basketball. The revenue sports should come first. I don't know if the network is capable of broadcasting a game on the regular feed and another game on HD but something needs to be addressed. There were more that a couple of times when ACC soccer matches ran long and the start of either football or basketball games were missed.

I don't know of this can be a legitimate excuse when our "partner" should have went through all the growing pains needed with the SECN. They should have already known what works and what doesn't.

You would think that would be the case; however, since the ACC isn't the SEC, a "one size fits all" approach may allow for deficiencies. Case in point the soccer coverage that ran long; thereby affecting the coverage of revenue sports. SEC certainly didn't deal with it because their soccer brand sucks compared to the ACC and they have a spillover channel where the ACC doesn't. Additionally, the ACC have more athletic programs that are well rounded and contend for national championships. It isn't a one trick pony and there are multiple sports that garner multiple interest that may over lap. Male and female soccer fans who care nothing about football or basketball. Hell, there are football fans pissing and moaning because the network is showing basketball games instead of rerun football games and game analysis leading up to bowl season. Certainly the conference would want to address some of these issues.

It's not like it's rocket science: Don't schedule a non-revenue sport match on the same day that you have multiple cash cow sports scheduled. You know that by it's very nature that soccer tends to run long, and while somewhat popular it's not generating revenue for any ACC school. Don't schedule soccer matches on the network on Saturday unless it's Saturday night and you have no games scheduled. There's six other days of the week that you can play socialist kickball, it doesn't have to be Saturday.
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I don't think the ACC network is worth a ****, but nor do I like the SECN or B10N.

The ACCN will always suffer from the thing that makes it work - it's a three legged stool - Football, Basketball, and ND/Olympic Sports.

This year in particular there was nearly nothing to discuss other than by how much Clemson would beat the other team. Discussing dysfunction at FSU, would NC State have enough players to finish the season, or much of anything in the Coastal other than attempting to cast Mack Brown as Jesus Christ does not lend to "must see TV".

Perhaps the one thing that is most missing is controversy at Miami. Let's face it people watched Miami for the controversy as much as the football and since joining the ACC they have attempted to become respectable and by that act have become boring.
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The PAC 12 Network is rapidly failing. Maybe I should say it has failed.
https://awfulannouncing.com/league-netwo...pring.html

There was a lot of angst about how long it took for the ACC to get its own network. At least, the ACC did it right. The Mouse gets things done. The PAC 12 is what happens if you don't do it right.
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(01-16-2020 09:36 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  The PAC 12 Network is rapidly failing. Maybe I should say it has failed.
https://awfulannouncing.com/league-netwo...pring.html

There was a lot of angst about how long it took for the ACC to get its own network. At least, the ACC did it right. The Mouse gets things done. The PAC 12 is what happens if you don't do it right.

I can only imagine some of the finger pointing and blame directed at Swofford if the ACCN had these issues. For those who think that commissioners have all this power to make all these important decisions, why does Larry Scott still have a job as commissioner of the P12 Conference after years of that network failing and currently in the process of falling behind the ACC in tv revenues. This after a five or six year head start with the Pac12N.
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We all know Comcast is a year is a year or so away from signing on. But BROADBANDNOW.COM Has some kinda large cable systems not signed: Frontier 11 Mil.---Mediacom 7.6 Mil.---WOW 7.2 Mil.---RCN 4.1 Mil. that's 29.9 Mil. !!! Also i love the ACC NETWORK. But the PACKER and DURHAM show needs to move to the 12-3 time slot for ratings. Hard to watch when getting ready for work. And the show give's the # 1-844-729-2226 out 10-12 times a show but they only take 1-2 calls if that a day. And i have to say PACKER rubs me the wrong way,he seems to talk down to caller's and doesn't let them talk and make there point. Anyone else find that about him ?
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(01-16-2020 10:31 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-16-2020 09:36 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  The PAC 12 Network is rapidly failing. Maybe I should say it has failed.
https://awfulannouncing.com/league-netwo...pring.html

There was a lot of angst about how long it took for the ACC to get its own network. At least, the ACC did it right. The Mouse gets things done. The PAC 12 is what happens if you don't do it right.

I can only imagine some of the finger pointing and blame directed at Swofford if the ACCN had these issues. For those who think that commissioners have all this power to make all these important decisions, why does Larry Scott still have a job as commissioner of the P12 Conference after years of that network failing and currently in the process of falling behind the ACC in tv revenues. This after a five or six year head start with the Pac12N.

Swofford is the commissioner of the ACC. He is the ACC's front man, the leader. Leaders take responsibility for failures, and our media contract and bowl alignment are both absolute failures and no reasonable person can say otherwise.

Perhaps you gain some comfort in the fact that at the moment the PAC-12 has an even bigger failure of a leader than the ACC but I don't, nor should anyone who has an eye towards the future.
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