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RE: ACC Network
(08-15-2019 08:33 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(08-14-2019 08:18 PM)nole Wrote:  Lou,
If my memory serves was the ACC had a bigger TV territory than the SEC.....that the ACC would have more households, but that the ACC wouldn't have the clout to get the same price per household.

So the ACC should have more TVs in theory, but not the per house $$$$ as the ACC.

I love seeing the growing #s for the ACCN.....but the REAL issue is how much money per household and what is that per year revenue.

Agreed. I was never really worried about carriage, I always figured they would get carriage, because ESPN wouldn't be doing this, and had such a long lead up, if they didn't have a plan.

My concern was always that the plan might include having to sell it at a very low rate to get carriage though. Ironically, the fact that it hasn't been picked up easily by everyone gives me hope that they are trying to force SEC-like rates down the providers throats. I think that the fact that ESPN is packaging this in their overall deals, and not simply relying on demand for the ACC product, gives some hope to that direction.

If the ACC and ESPN were willing to take $0.25 a household, they'd be on Comcast and Dish yesterday. ESPN likes money just as much as the next guy, so you have to kind of hope that they're playing hardball about the rate and the ACC benefits in the end.

The good thing is we've passed the threshold at which the carriage numbers are not embarrassing (something that took the BTN years, and the PAC never did), so they can afford to take a tougher line with Comcast. Obviously, it would be horrible for Comcast not to be on board, but in the long run Comcast customers missing the football season will be worth it if it secures a richer deal eventually.


I agree....I do have some concern of the first year projection of $1 Million. That is embarrassing. I was hoping for more like $8 million year one and then to $10-$15 million in year 2-3. The whole narrative behind the delay was that the ramp up would be quicker and easier than everyone else. So that should be the case.

I do like the original numbers but need to see Dish, Comcast, Cox, CenturyLink, & Fronteir have maybe 3 of those 5 jump in by 8/22 to feel solid.
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RE: ACC Network
Hopefully Dish will mean that SlingTV will come on board also since they are owned by Dish. They have a week to retain my business.
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RE: ACC Network
(08-15-2019 09:16 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Hopefully Dish will mean that SlingTV will come on board also since they are owned by Dish. They have a week to retain my business.

Sling announced months ago that they would carry it. It's part of the orange package.
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(08-15-2019 10:48 AM)ColKurtz Wrote:  Sling announced months ago that they would carry it. It's part of the orange package.

They need to hurry and tell ESPN so they can update their web site.
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(08-15-2019 10:48 AM)ColKurtz Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 09:16 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Hopefully Dish will mean that SlingTV will come on board also since they are owned by Dish. They have a week to retain my business.

Sling announced months ago that they would carry it. It's part of the orange package.

No, the thing in the Orange pkg is the old ACC Network Extra which only requires an ESPN subscription. It's my understanding that goes away the day the new ACCN launches; going forward you'll need an actual ACCN sub in order to authenticate with ACCNX. SlingTV has NOT announced that...
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(08-15-2019 12:38 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  It's my understanding that goes away the day the new ACCN launches; going forward you'll need an actual ACCN sub in order to authenticate with ACCNX.

https://thestreamable.com/news/acc-netwo...is-reached
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(08-15-2019 12:38 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 10:48 AM)ColKurtz Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 09:16 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Hopefully Dish will mean that SlingTV will come on board also since they are owned by Dish. They have a week to retain my business.

Sling announced months ago that they would carry it. It's part of the orange package.

No, the thing in the Orange pkg is the old ACC Network Extra which only requires an ESPN subscription. It's my understanding that goes away the day the new ACCN launches; going forward you'll need an actual ACCN sub in order to authenticate with ACCNX. SlingTV has NOT announced that...

Looks like you're right. I was going off the below tweet from Sling. Not sure if they were confusing it with Accn+, or of something changed, but it indeed is not listed on Sling's site.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Sling/status/...9035821065
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I'm actually hoping Sling adds it to the $5 sports package add on, and not directly to the Orange $25 package. I like the $25 sweet spot and I would rather add the $5 extra, and have the option to drop it part of the year, than for Sling to head down the road of adding other channels that I don't care about and raising the base rate. YoutubeTV went from like $35 to $50 adding channels I don't care about. Would rather go with Sling Orange + Sports add on for $30 than have them go down that route.
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Read this Fansided post from a doofus FSU fan who thinks the ACCN will be a complete failure -- solely because he's a Comcast customer and Comcast hasn't reached an agreement with ESPN yet but then he says it doesn't matter because the ACCN won't have any game he cares about anyway! It reminds me of the old joke about a woman complaining about the food in a restaurant who said "The food is just terrible -- and the portions are so small."
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I’ve seen better arguments here for and against The ACC Network. The guy obviously hasn’t been in a contract negotiation. They almost always go down to the wire. It’s called leveraging your position.
Comcast and Dish will get it done. I’ve read that Dish has already started preparing channel software for the addition of the channel. Comcast won’t be the ONLY big fish that doesn’t carry a new network.
Finally, if you’re not going to get the channel anyway, because you are a coupon clipping discount shopping tightwad, why write such a poorly positioned piece.
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(08-15-2019 03:28 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Read this Fansided post from a doofus FSU fan who thinks the ACCN will be a complete failure -- solely because he's a Comcast customer and Comcast hasn't reached an agreement with ESPN yet but then he says it doesn't matter because the ACCN won't have any game he cares about anyway! It reminds me of the old joke about a woman complaining about the food in a restaurant who said "The food is just terrible -- and the portions are so small."

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It is too early to claim the ACCN is a success or failure.

It won't be a success until we see revenue in the 75% range of the SECN. I don't care how many sign up. Does the revenue compete? We don't know and won't anytime in the next month (or even 12 months, but can't be longer than 2-3 years).

I do think on success side that ACCN has some good momentum in signups. If Comcast goes....feel MUCH better.

It won't be a failure based on anything we know right now either.

One thing that can be noted on failure side is how many years behind other conferences. That's a fact.

One thing FSU fans can correctly be concerned about is how the PRIMARY network with FSU fans in Florida, Comcast, has not signed up. It isn't over yet, but if ACCN doesn't get Comcast in the biggest rating state and the biggest rating product.....yet, that isn't good no matter how you spin it.
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We know that Comcast and Disney are in a 10-year contract that began in 2012. However, I wonder when Comcast's contract for the FX and National Geographic channels is set to expire. We've seen at least one deal out there where Disney was able to get the ACCN added during a renegotiation of those FX and Nat Geo channels.
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(08-15-2019 03:15 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  I'm actually hoping Sling adds it to the $5 sports package add on, and not directly to the Orange $25 package. I like the $25 sweet spot and I would rather add the $5 extra, and have the option to drop it part of the year, than for Sling to head down the road of adding other channels that I don't care about and raising the base rate. YoutubeTV went from like $35 to $50 adding channels I don't care about. Would rather go with Sling Orange + Sports add on for $30 than have them go down that route.

The Sling Orange sports addon is now $10
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I spoke to a rep from Sling this afternoon. She told me they were in negotiations with ESPN. They hoped to have the ACCN, but as of now they are not offering it. I informed her that on Aug 21st I become the customer of another service if they don't add it. She told me that they have had a lot of calls for the ACCN.
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(08-15-2019 06:30 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I spoke to a rep from Sling this afternoon. She told me they were in negotiations with ESPN. They hoped to have the ACCN, but as of now they are not offering it. I informed her that on Aug 21st I become the customer of another service if they don't add it. She told me that they have had a lot of calls for the ACCN.

I told nearly the same thing to the ATT Uverse people a few minutes ago. Extreme incompetence with some of their customer service people.
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(08-15-2019 07:15 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(08-15-2019 06:30 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I spoke to a rep from Sling this afternoon. She told me they were in negotiations with ESPN. They hoped to have the ACCN, but as of now they are not offering it. I informed her that on Aug 21st I become the customer of another service if they don't add it. She told me that they have had a lot of calls for the ACCN.

I told nearly the same thing to the ATT Uverse people a few minutes ago. Extreme incompetence with some of their customer service people.

Thing is, I've been told that UVerse's Disney contract comes up for renewal this year anyway (just maybe not this month).

Comcast is going to be tough to crack this year, but who knows? They may need to see an exodus of FSU fans in Florida before they start taking the ACCN seriously...
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ATT is stupid. Sports fans don't like to relearn channels and systems. Uverse will tens of thousands of customers in NC because of State, Carolina, Duke, WF, Clemson and VT and they will not come back once a new system is learned.
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(08-16-2019 01:32 PM)Statefan Wrote:  ATT is stupid. Sports fans don't like to relearn channels and systems. Uverse will tens of thousands of customers in NC because of State, Carolina, Duke, WF, Clemson and VT and they will not come back once a new system is learned.

My understanding is that ATT’s contract with Disney runs out in September. This gives Disney a ton of leverage so ACCN is almost certain to be on ATT in the next month or so but by 8/22 or 8/29? We’ll see.

BTW, does anybody know the situation with DISH? I think their contract with Disney ran out last month. Apparently, ESPN is still available on DISH but there’s been no announcement about ACCN.
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(08-17-2019 02:34 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  
(08-16-2019 01:32 PM)Statefan Wrote:  ATT is stupid. Sports fans don't like to relearn channels and systems. Uverse will tens of thousands of customers in NC because of State, Carolina, Duke, WF, Clemson and VT and they will not come back once a new system is learned.

My understanding is that ATT’s contract with Disney runs out in September. This gives Disney a ton of leverage so ACCN is almost certain to be on ATT in the next month or so but by 8/22 or 8/29? We’ll see.

BTW, does anybody know the situation with DISH? I think their contract with Disney ran out last month. Apparently, ESPN is still available on DISH but there’s been no announcement about ACCN.


I’m a Dish customer & they aren’t saying much. However I have contacted DirecTV & was told that they are signing “up a lot of people”. In fact they raised their 1st year price by $25 yesterday because of the increased demand. Is it ACCN related? I don’t know but it would be quit a coincidence if not.


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