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RE: Would the ACC have invited WVU in 2012 if it were available?
(04-20-2019 01:08 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  
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(04-18-2019 01:06 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  
(04-18-2019 07:06 AM)esayem Wrote:  Any talk of expansion ends with Penn State, Maryland, and Texas.

Realistically speaking, the only possible candidate is Texas at this point. Penn State is not leaving and Maryland is not coming back. ND will not join a conference unless we have a confence champ only playoff system. The ideal scenario for the ACC is to have ND and Texas as 15th and 16th full members. A more likely scenario is that Texas joins the ACC as a partial member like ND.

Monetarily, it doesn't make sense for Maryland to come back right now but having looked over many message boards there are a lot of people lamenting leaving the ACC. Granted they don't make the decisions but if the opportunity were there (and the money was similar), I'd expect they'd take a look. They might not do it because of money... and Maryland administration is prone to acting stupidly. So, all of that is to say that Maryland might want to come back but it is probably more long term.

I think another issue is how Maryland left, would the ACC take Maryland back? There probably needs to be some administrative turnover so people directly involved can cycle out. Leaving the way Maryland did, left a bad taste in some people's mouths.

From Barry Svrluga in the Washington Post:

“Loh, along with former athletic director Kevin Anderson, pushed Maryland away from that solid, steady base by yanking the school from the ACC to the Big Ten. This was a money grab, nothing short of it, a move that shoved to the side generations of tradition and history because Jim Delany, the Big Ten commissioner/con-artist, promised more cash. Never mind that the idea of driving through Beltway traffic to see Purdue on a Tuesday night in January was, nebulously, not as attractive as enduring the same commute to see, say, N.C. State. The money mattered, and Loh went for it.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/co...88444477c3
When Maryland played in the ACC, it didn't need an orchestrated flash mob or Turgeonites to light the passion in the fanbase.

If Maryland gets rid of a few folks, we would consider taking you back....maybe!
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RE: Would the ACC have invited WVU in 2012 if it were available?
I would love to have Maryland AND South Carolina back in the ACC. I don't think it will ever happen (but I've long ago stopped saying NEVER for things like that).

OTOH, Maryland and West Virginia to the ACC would create a 16 that nicely splits along North/South lines. Notre Dame + Penn State would do the same thing PLUS make the divisions evenly matched.
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RE: Would the ACC have invited WVU in 2012 if it were available?
(04-21-2019 06:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I would love to have Maryland AND South Carolina back in the ACC. I don't think it will ever happen (but I've long ago stopped saying NEVER for things like that).

OTOH, Maryland and West Virginia to the ACC would create a 16 that nicely splits along North/South lines. Notre Dame + Penn State would do the same thing PLUS make the divisions evenly matched.

Mark,
Maryland and South Carolina make sense in a 14 team ACC. We should trade Louisville to the SEC for South Carolina and Pitt to the B1G for Maryland.
It restores the north/south balance of the conference and once again makes the State of North Carolina the fulcrum of the ACC (5 schools north of NC, 5 schools south).
Adding West Virginia (and Maryland/Penn State) would further destroy the balance of the conference and eventually lead to it's break up.
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RE: Would the ACC have invited WVU in 2012 if it were available?
I could get behind a swap of South Carolina for Louisville.

I could probably get behind a swap of Pitt for Maryland provided Maryland no longer had B1G alumni in charge of everything.
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RE: Would the ACC have invited WVU in 2012 if it were available?
I'm not a fan of the the north-south split. However, we could label the CCGs as the "Civil Wars." I know Oregon/Oregon State have a civil war but this would be true north-south match-ups.
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RE: Would the ACC have invited WVU in 2012 if it were available?
(04-22-2019 08:27 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  I'm not a fan of the the north-south split. However, we could label the CCGs as the "Civil Wars." I know Oregon/Oregon State have a civil war but this would be true north-south match-ups.

I wasn't suggesting a north/south split, just north/south balance.
I kinda like:
Miami, GT, Carolina, Duke, UVa, Maryland, Syracuse
FSU, Clemson, NC State, Wake Forest, VT, South Carolina, Boston College
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RE: Would the ACC have invited WVU in 2012 if it were available?
(04-22-2019 02:10 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(04-22-2019 08:27 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  I'm not a fan of the the north-south split. However, we could label the CCGs as the "Civil Wars." I know Oregon/Oregon State have a civil war but this would be true north-south match-ups.

I wasn't suggesting a north/south split, just north/south balance.
I kinda like:
Miami, GT, Carolina, Duke, UVa, Maryland, Syracuse
FSU, Clemson, NC State, Wake Forest, VT, South Carolina, Boston College

Miami and GT aren't strong enough to carry that first group by themselves.
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(04-22-2019 07:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Miami and GT aren't strong enough to carry that first group by themselves.
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The GT Spring game is on the 26th. I hear GT's recruiting class will be Top 10 the day after. It's already just a hair shy of Top 15.

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RE: Would the ACC have invited WVU in 2012 if it were available?
(04-22-2019 08:13 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(04-22-2019 07:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Miami and GT aren't strong enough to carry that first group by themselves.
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The GT Spring game is on the 26th. I hear GT's recruiting class will be Top 10 the day after. It's already just a hair shy of Top 15.

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If Top 10 in April was what mattered then Miami would've won a couple of national titles under Mark Richt. Call me when you have a top 10 class on NSD!
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RE: Would the ACC have invited WVU in 2012 if it were available?
(04-22-2019 08:17 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-22-2019 08:13 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(04-22-2019 07:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Miami and GT aren't strong enough to carry that first group by themselves.
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The GT Spring game is on the 26th. I hear GT's recruiting class will be Top 10 the day after. It's already just a hair shy of Top 15.

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If Top 10 in April was what mattered then Miami would've won a couple of national titles under Mark Richt. Call me when you have a top 10 class on NSD!


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RE: Would the ACC have invited WVU in 2012 if it were available?
(04-22-2019 08:13 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(04-22-2019 07:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Miami and GT aren't strong enough to carry that first group by themselves.
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The GT Spring game is on the 26th. I hear GT's recruiting class will be Top 10 the day after. It's already just a hair shy of Top 15.

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As of today Carolina's recruiting is ranked #7.
I think the first group will be more than OK.
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RE: Would the ACC have invited WVU in 2012 if it were available?
(04-22-2019 08:32 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(04-22-2019 08:13 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(04-22-2019 07:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Miami and GT aren't strong enough to carry that first group by themselves.
05-stirthepot


The GT Spring game is on the 26th. I hear GT's recruiting class will be Top 10 the day after. It's already just a hair shy of Top 15.

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As of today Carolina's recruiting is ranked #7.
I think the first group will be more than OK.

By whom?
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(04-23-2019 08:22 AM)ken d Wrote:  By whom?

247.
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(04-23-2019 08:30 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(04-23-2019 08:22 AM)ken d Wrote:  By whom?

247.

Yep. They also rank Texas and Texas A&M 24th and 25th right now. Solid!

For what it's worth, as of today here are the team recruiting rankings for the signing class of 2020 according to 247Sports:

1. Alabama
2. LSU
3. Clemson
4. Miami
5. Florida
6. Ohio State
7. UNC
8. Florida State
9. Penn State
10. Georgia
11. Mississippi St
12. Oklahoma
13. Notre Dame
14. Iowa
15. NC State
16. Georgia Tech
17. Auburn
18. Northwestern
19. Minnesota
20. Stanford
21. Michigan
22. Wisconsin
23. South Carolina
24. Texas
25. Texas A&M
26. Tennessee
27. Oregon
28. Arkansas
29. Duke
30. Iowa State
31. Boston College
32. Wake Forest
33. Oklahoma State
34. Nebraska
35. Kansas State
36. Cincinnati
37. Kansas
38. West Virginia
39. Miami (OH)
40. BYU
41. North Texas
42. Ole Miss
43. Baylor
44. USC
45. UTSA
46. Maryland
47. Illinois
48. Washington State
49. Rice
50. Michigan State
51. Washington
52. Arizona State
53. Missouri
54. Purdue
55. Virginia
56. Virginia Tech
57. Vanderbilt
58. LA. Tech
59. NIU
60. USF
61. Syracuse
62. UMass
63. UCLA
64. Toledo
65. W. Michigan
66. Cal
67. Pitt
68. Louisville
69. Texas Tech
70. Arizona
Source: https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Footba...mRankings/

Yes, that two ACC teams in the top 4, four in the top 8, and six in the top 16! Of course, no one has actually signed any of these players - and as they say, a verbal commitment isn't worth the paper it's written on! Nonetheless, if your team is killing it on the recruiting trail and you want to celebrate, be my guest.
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RE: Would the ACC have invited WVU in 2012 if it were available?
(04-23-2019 08:48 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-23-2019 08:30 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(04-23-2019 08:22 AM)ken d Wrote:  By whom?

247.

Yep. They also rank Texas and Texas A&M 24th and 25th right now. Solid!

For what it's worth, as of today here are the team recruiting rankings for the signing class of 2020 according to 247Sports:

1. Alabama
2. LSU
3. Clemson
4. Miami
5. Florida
6. Ohio State
7. UNC
8. Florida State
9. Penn State
10. Georgia
11. Mississippi St
12. Oklahoma
13. Notre Dame
14. Iowa
15. NC State
16. Georgia Tech
17. Auburn
18. Northwestern
19. Minnesota
20. Stanford
21. Michigan
22. Wisconsin
23. South Carolina
24. Texas
25. Texas A&M
26. Tennessee
27. Oregon
28. Arkansas
29. Duke
30. Iowa State
31. Boston College
32. Wake Forest
33. Oklahoma State
34. Nebraska
35. Kansas State
36. Cincinnati
37. Kansas
38. West Virginia
39. Miami (OH)
40. BYU
41. North Texas
42. Ole Miss
43. Baylor
44. USC
45. UTSA
46. Maryland
47. Illinois
48. Washington State
49. Rice
50. Michigan State
51. Washington
52. Arizona State
53. Missouri
54. Purdue
55. Virginia
56. Virginia Tech
57. Vanderbilt
58. LA. Tech
59. NIU
60. USF
61. Syracuse
62. UMass
63. UCLA
64. Toledo
65. W. Michigan
66. Cal
67. Pitt
68. Louisville
69. Texas Tech
70. Arizona
Source: https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Footba...mRankings/

Yes, that two ACC teams in the top 4, four in the top 8, and six in the top 16! Of course, no one has actually signed any of these players - and as they say, a verbal commitment isn't worth the paper it's written on! Nonetheless, if your team is killing it on the recruiting trail and you want to celebrate, be my guest.

OK, I see it now. This is a ranking for a class that's not yet allowed to sign an LOI. But Miami sure is killing it. Not only are they ranked 4th for the current junior class, they are #1 for the sophomores. I smell a natty coming soon for the Canes.
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RE: Would the ACC have invited WVU in 2012 if it were available?
(04-23-2019 08:48 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-23-2019 08:30 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(04-23-2019 08:22 AM)ken d Wrote:  By whom?

247.

Yep. They also rank Texas and Texas A&M 24th and 25th right now. Solid!

For what it's worth, as of today here are the team recruiting rankings for the signing class of 2020 according to 247Sports:

1. Alabama
2. LSU
3. Clemson
4. Miami
5. Florida
6. Ohio State
7. UNC
8. Florida State
9. Penn State
10. Georgia
11. Mississippi St
12. Oklahoma
13. Notre Dame
14. Iowa
15. NC State
16. Georgia Tech
17. Auburn
18. Northwestern
19. Minnesota
20. Stanford
21. Michigan
22. Wisconsin
23. South Carolina
24. Texas
25. Texas A&M
26. Tennessee
27. Oregon
28. Arkansas
29. Duke
30. Iowa State
31. Boston College
32. Wake Forest
33. Oklahoma State
34. Nebraska
35. Kansas State
36. Cincinnati
37. Kansas
38. West Virginia
39. Miami (OH)
40. BYU
41. North Texas
42. Ole Miss
43. Baylor
44. USC
45. UTSA
46. Maryland
47. Illinois
48. Washington State
49. Rice
50. Michigan State
51. Washington
52. Arizona State
53. Missouri
54. Purdue
55. Virginia
56. Virginia Tech
57. Vanderbilt
58. LA. Tech
59. NIU
60. USF
61. Syracuse
62. UMass
63. UCLA
64. Toledo
65. W. Michigan
66. Cal
67. Pitt
68. Louisville
69. Texas Tech
70. Arizona
Source: https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Footba...mRankings/

Yes, that two ACC teams in the top 4, four in the top 8, and six in the top 16! Of course, no one has actually signed any of these players - and as they say, a verbal commitment isn't worth the paper it's written on! Nonetheless, if your team is killing it on the recruiting trail and you want to celebrate, be my guest.

Florida State has surged ahead of Carolina in the recruiting rankings.
FSU is now #7, Carolina drops to #8.
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I'm awaiting the next update with bated breath. It doesn't get more exciting than this (well, during the off-season anyway).
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(04-25-2019 12:47 PM)ken d Wrote:  I'm awaiting the next update with bated breath. It doesn't get more exciting than this (well, during the off-season anyway).

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(04-22-2019 08:13 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(04-22-2019 07:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Miami and GT aren't strong enough to carry that first group by themselves.
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The GT Spring game is on the 26th. I hear GT's recruiting class will be Top 10 the day after. It's already just a hair shy of Top 15.

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RE: Would the ACC have invited WVU in 2012 if it were available?
(04-25-2019 12:47 PM)ken d Wrote:  I'm awaiting the next update with bated breath. It doesn't get more exciting than this (well, during the off-season anyway).

It doesn't take much for you, does it?
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