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RE: Would the ACC have invited WVU in 2012 if it were available?
(04-14-2019 01:34 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  West Virginia can easily get an ACC invite the day after they finish eliminating the WVU past time of throwing D cell batteries from the stands and have an academic standing higher than state-level-JuCo.

.....or beating up pregnant women.....throwing rocks at buses and cars....burning couches, Kentucky does it too.
These things will not ever happen and neither will an easy invite.
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RE: Would the ACC have invited WVU in 2012 if it were available?
(04-17-2019 11:01 AM)colohank Wrote:  
(04-17-2019 03:25 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(04-14-2019 07:41 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(04-14-2019 02:45 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  If FSU and Clemson demanded WVU or else the jump to the Big 12, like they demanded Louisville, then WVU would be in the ACC. Under your what if guide lines.

FSU and Clemson didn't demand Louisville, they expressed displeasure in the possibility of inviting UConn.

The message we have heard loud and clear here in Louisville from Tom Jurich and Dr. Ramsey is one simpler than facilities, budgets, athletic accomplishments, brands, fan support, television appeal or anything else that supporters of either university could measure.

Tom Jurich has said plainly that Florida State and Clemson wanted Louisville over UConn. Jurich also said Syracuse worked to get Louisville into The ACC.

A tweet from a local sports reporter from the afternoon Louisville was invited:

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Also keep in mind that Louisville had been in a conference with Georgia Tech (’75-78), Florida State (’76-91) and Virginia Tech (’78-'95) before.

Dr. Ramsey had friends at UNC from his days working in Chapel Hill. Jurich is close to the AD at Duke, Kevin White. White worked hard to get Louisville into The Big East while he was at Notre Dame. Jurich publicly stated when Louisville joined The Big East that every Louisville fan should root for Notre Dame because of The Irish support for UofL. I don't think the relationship between UofL and Notre Dame can be over stated. The Irish were very instrumental helping Louisville jump from CUSA to The Big East, finally to The ACC.

Whatever the reason Louisville fans are thankful things worked out the way they did for whatever reason.

Yeah, that would be the Metro Conference. Also keep in mind that Cincy (1975-1991), like Louisville and Georgia Tech, was a charter member of the Metro Conference, which later opened its arms to the likes of Florida State (1976-1991) and Virginia Tech (1978-1995).

How about returning the favor?

Personally I would love to see that happen. When you consider that UC has been a conference mate with Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech and Notre Dame, one would have to think that the Bearcats would be a viable candidate if The ACC ever expanded again.
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RE: Would the ACC have invited WVU in 2012 if it were available?
(04-17-2019 08:16 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(04-17-2019 11:01 AM)colohank Wrote:  ...keep in mind that Cincy (1975-1991), like Louisville and Georgia Tech, was a charter member of the Metro Conference, which later opened its arms to the likes of Florida State (1976-1991) and Virginia Tech (1978-1995).

How about returning the favor?

Personally I would love to see that happen. When you consider that UC has been a conference mate with Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech and Notre Dame, one would have to think that the Bearcats would be a viable candidate if The ACC ever expanded again.

Good point - that's already almost half of the conference in favor before anyone even sits down to talk about it.

However, since I think a candidate team needs 3/4th of the members to vote for them*, that's currently 3/4*15 = 11.25 -- but it must be rounded up to 12. So Cincinnati would need 5 more teams to vote for them. I feel like Clemson and Miami would, and maybe BC as well... but they would still need to convince 2 of the North Carolina schools and/or UVa to get in (if I'm correct).

No school can overcome 4 "no" votes - that's the reason why WVU would need to do a lot of selling that they've improved in certain areas if they ever wanted in.

* last known publicly-available look at the ACC bylaws stated 3/4th -- see "ACC Manual - Expansion" posted on ACCFootballRx.
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RE: Would the ACC have invited WVU in 2012 if it were available?
Cincinnati would be a more favorable choice over West Virginia if Notre Dame were to join the ACC on a full time basis.
There are a lot of pluses for Cincinnati and many, many negatives for West Virginia.

However, with the PAC rejecting the ESPN overtures and the relegation of most of the Big 12 product to ESPN+, it does not seem likely that any G5 school will be promoted to what will become the P4.
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Georgia Tech was in a conference with Cincinnati for like two seconds. Why would Clemson and Miami vote for them, to lose money? Cincinnati has now played South Florida more times than FSU in hoops, so it seems they’re right where they need to be, with Memphis and ECU. BTW, which school even plays them if they’re so important for “bringing a new state” (which they don’t do anyway)? Nobody. The answer is nobody. Not even their “rival” Louisville plays them anymore, and this includes basketball where there is much more scheduling flexibility.

They’re not worth enough to be invited and nobody owes them anything. It’s ridiculous. If you guys want to play them so bad then email your AD’s.

Any talk of expansion ends with Penn State, Maryland, and Texas.
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(04-18-2019 07:01 AM)XLance Wrote:  Cincinnati would be a more favorable choice over West Virginia if Notre Dame were to join the ACC on a full time basis.
There are a lot of pluses for Cincinnati and many, many negatives for West Virginia.

However, with the PAC rejecting the ESPN overtures and the relegation of most of the Big 12 product to ESPN+, it does not seem likely that any G5 school will be promoted to what will become the P4.

You better believe if ND joined full-time there would be better options on the table than those two. ND hasn’t played Cincinnati in football since the turn of the century. The turn of the 20th century!
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(04-18-2019 07:12 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(04-18-2019 07:01 AM)XLance Wrote:  Cincinnati would be a more favorable choice over West Virginia if Notre Dame were to join the ACC on a full time basis.
There are a lot of pluses for Cincinnati and many, many negatives for West Virginia.

However, with the PAC rejecting the ESPN overtures and the relegation of most of the Big 12 product to ESPN+, it does not seem likely that any G5 school will be promoted to what will become the P4.

You better believe if ND joined full-time there would be better options on the table than those two. ND hasn’t played Cincinnati in football since the turn of the century. The turn of the 20th century!

Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired.
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RE: Would the ACC have invited WVU in 2012 if it were available?
(04-18-2019 07:06 AM)esayem Wrote:  Any talk of expansion ends with Penn State, Maryland, and Texas.

You only want the BIG FISH!
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RE: Would the ACC have invited WVU in 2012 if it were available?
(04-18-2019 07:01 AM)XLance Wrote:  Cincinnati would be a more favorable choice over West Virginia if Notre Dame were to join the ACC on a full time basis.
There are a lot of pluses for Cincinnati and many, many negatives for West Virginia.

However, with the PAC rejecting the ESPN overtures and the relegation of most of the Big 12 product to ESPN+, it does not seem likely that any G5 school will be promoted to what will become the P4.

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RE: Would the ACC have invited WVU in 2012 if it were available?
(04-18-2019 07:06 AM)esayem Wrote:  Georgia Tech was in a conference with Cincinnati for like two seconds. Why would Clemson and Miami vote for them, to lose money? Cincinnati has now played South Florida more times than FSU in hoops, so it seems they’re right where they need to be, with Memphis and ECU. BTW, which school even plays them if they’re so important for “bringing a new state” (which they don’t do anyway)? Nobody. The answer is nobody. Not even their “rival” Louisville plays them anymore, and this includes basketball where there is much more scheduling flexibility.

They’re not worth enough to be invited and nobody owes them anything. It’s ridiculous. If you guys want to play them so bad then email your AD’s.

Any talk of expansion ends with Penn State, Maryland, and Texas.

Well by that logic UC would be in the B10 or SEC, since they have played Indiana and Kentucky more often than South Florida; but that is not how this is all done. The ACC certainly did not take Louisville the last go around because the Cards have a lengthy history with Wake Forest and NC State.

As to Louisville, there's been an issue at play that have prevented the two schools from hooking up in hoops (namely Mick Cronin v. Pitino and now Mack) but now that he is gone it will be interesting to see if that game gets on the schedule. Football scheduling is tough, especially with UofL having a yearly series with UK. Not to many schools have two competitive rivalry games in their OOC anymore. UC is playing Pitt in FB in a few years.
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I'd like to see all P5 conferences agree to count AAC teams to meet their power OOC requirement (but I don't want the ACC to do it alone). Then I would like to see VT play UC more often... but now the system is stacked against it.
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(04-18-2019 07:48 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(04-18-2019 07:12 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(04-18-2019 07:01 AM)XLance Wrote:  Cincinnati would be a more favorable choice over West Virginia if Notre Dame were to join the ACC on a full time basis.
There are a lot of pluses for Cincinnati and many, many negatives for West Virginia.

However, with the PAC rejecting the ESPN overtures and the relegation of most of the Big 12 product to ESPN+, it does not seem likely that any G5 school will be promoted to what will become the P4.

You better believe if ND joined full-time there would be better options on the table than those two. ND hasn’t played Cincinnati in football since the turn of the century. The turn of the 20th century!

Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired.

03-yawn If Notre Dame joins for football, the decision of who else to invite won't be down to those two. I don't really care who finishes 5th and 6th in the running.
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(04-18-2019 08:51 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Well by that logic UC would be in the B10 or SEC, since they have played Indiana and Kentucky more often than South Florida; but that is not how this is all done. The ACC certainly did not take Louisville the last go around because the Cards have a lengthy history with Wake Forest and NC State.

I'm merely pointing out Cincinnati has a lot of history with their current conference mates from the last 25 years or so. Certainly you're correct that the ACC invited Louisville as a replacement for much more than history; there wasn't much there except a little with FSU and Virginia Tech (seven years marriage of convenience with Syracuse and Pitt doesn't really count).

To be clear, I don't have anything against your school. You have to understand, this would be like reading chatter on the American board about what a great fit UNC-Charlotte is.
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(04-18-2019 07:06 AM)esayem Wrote:  Georgia Tech was in a conference with Cincinnati for like two seconds. Why would Clemson and Miami vote for them, to lose money? Cincinnati has now played South Florida more times than FSU in hoops, so it seems they’re right where they need to be, with Memphis and ECU. BTW, which school even plays them if they’re so important for “bringing a new state” (which they don’t do anyway)? Nobody. The answer is nobody. Not even their “rival” Louisville plays them anymore, and this includes basketball where there is much more scheduling flexibility.

They’re not worth enough to be invited and nobody owes them anything. It’s ridiculous. If you guys want to play them so bad then email your AD’s.

Any talk of expansion ends with Penn State, Maryland, and Texas.

Realistically speaking, the only possible candidate is Texas at this point. Penn State is not leaving and Maryland is not coming back. ND will not join a conference unless we have a confence champ only playoff system. The ideal scenario for the ACC is to have ND and Texas as 15th and 16th full members. A more likely scenario is that Texas joins the ACC as a partial member like ND.
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(04-18-2019 07:06 AM)esayem Wrote:  Any talk of expansion ends with Penn State, Maryland, Texas, and Tennessee.


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(04-18-2019 05:33 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  
(04-18-2019 07:06 AM)esayem Wrote:  Georgia Tech was in a conference with Cincinnati for like two seconds. Why would Clemson and Miami vote for them, to lose money? Cincinnati has now played South Florida more times than FSU in hoops, so it seems they’re right where they need to be, with Memphis and ECU. BTW, which school even plays them if they’re so important for “bringing a new state” (which they don’t do anyway)? Nobody. The answer is nobody. Not even their “rival” Louisville plays them anymore, and this includes basketball where there is much more scheduling flexibility.

They’re not worth enough to be invited and nobody owes them anything. It’s ridiculous. If you guys want to play them so bad then email your AD’s.

Any talk of expansion ends with Penn State, Maryland, and Texas.

Realistically speaking, the only possible candidate is Texas at this point. Penn State is not leaving and Maryland is not coming back. ND will not join a conference unless we have a confence champ only playoff system. The ideal scenario for the ACC is to have ND and Texas as 15th and 16th full members. A more likely scenario is that Texas joins the ACC as a partial member like ND.

This.

Times 100.

ACC has no reason to expand right now. Notre Dame is happy with the way things are. They ain't joining without major changes to the playoffs -- and there doesn't seem to be any momentum toward that change.

There's a spot open for Texas if they want an ND deal. ACC would be happy to give it to them. Texas could join a conference with academic peers like Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech etc. Texas has a great home for all their other sports. And like Notre Dame they would have 7 out-of-conference games to schedule each year to satisfy whatever market strategy they wanted to pursue.

14 Full Time members
Notre Dame for 5 football games a year
Texas for 5 football games a year

Game over.
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(04-17-2019 10:06 AM)Topcat Wrote:  Who's calling the shots now?

I’ll tell you the next time the ACC expands.
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(04-18-2019 01:06 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  
(04-18-2019 07:06 AM)esayem Wrote:  Any talk of expansion ends with Penn State, Maryland, and Texas.

Realistically speaking, the only possible candidate is Texas at this point. Penn State is not leaving and Maryland is not coming back. ND will not join a conference unless we have a confence champ only playoff system. The ideal scenario for the ACC is to have ND and Texas as 15th and 16th full members. A more likely scenario is that Texas joins the ACC as a partial member like ND.

Monetarily, it doesn't make sense for Maryland to come back right now but having looked over many message boards there are a lot of people lamenting leaving the ACC. Granted they don't make the decisions but if the opportunity were there (and the money was similar), I'd expect they'd take a look. They might not do it because of money... and Maryland administration is prone to acting stupidly. So, all of that is to say that Maryland might want to come back but it is probably more long term.

I think another issue is how Maryland left, would the ACC take Maryland back? There probably needs to be some administrative turnover so people directly involved can cycle out. Leaving the way Maryland did, left a bad taste in some people's mouths.
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(04-19-2019 05:22 AM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  
(04-18-2019 01:06 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  
(04-18-2019 07:06 AM)esayem Wrote:  Any talk of expansion ends with Penn State, Maryland, and Texas.

Realistically speaking, the only possible candidate is Texas at this point. Penn State is not leaving and Maryland is not coming back. ND will not join a conference unless we have a confence champ only playoff system. The ideal scenario for the ACC is to have ND and Texas as 15th and 16th full members. A more likely scenario is that Texas joins the ACC as a partial member like ND.

Monetarily, it doesn't make sense for Maryland to come back right now but having looked over many message boards there are a lot of people lamenting leaving the ACC. Granted they don't make the decisions but if the opportunity were there (and the money was similar), I'd expect they'd take a look. They might not do it because of money... and Maryland administration is prone to acting stupidly. So, all of that is to say that Maryland might want to come back but it is probably more long term.

I think another issue is how Maryland left, would the ACC take Maryland back? There probably needs to be some administrative turnover so people directly involved can cycle out. Leaving the way Maryland did, left a bad taste in some people's mouths.

From Barry Svrluga in the Washington Post:

“Loh, along with former athletic director Kevin Anderson, pushed Maryland away from that solid, steady base by yanking the school from the ACC to the Big Ten. This was a money grab, nothing short of it, a move that shoved to the side generations of tradition and history because Jim Delany, the Big Ten commissioner/con-artist, promised more cash. Never mind that the idea of driving through Beltway traffic to see Purdue on a Tuesday night in January was, nebulously, not as attractive as enduring the same commute to see, say, N.C. State. The money mattered, and Loh went for it.”


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(04-19-2019 07:24 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(04-19-2019 05:22 AM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  
(04-18-2019 01:06 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  
(04-18-2019 07:06 AM)esayem Wrote:  Any talk of expansion ends with Penn State, Maryland, and Texas.

Realistically speaking, the only possible candidate is Texas at this point. Penn State is not leaving and Maryland is not coming back. ND will not join a conference unless we have a confence champ only playoff system. The ideal scenario for the ACC is to have ND and Texas as 15th and 16th full members. A more likely scenario is that Texas joins the ACC as a partial member like ND.

Monetarily, it doesn't make sense for Maryland to come back right now but having looked over many message boards there are a lot of people lamenting leaving the ACC. Granted they don't make the decisions but if the opportunity were there (and the money was similar), I'd expect they'd take a look. They might not do it because of money... and Maryland administration is prone to acting stupidly. So, all of that is to say that Maryland might want to come back but it is probably more long term.

I think another issue is how Maryland left, would the ACC take Maryland back? There probably needs to be some administrative turnover so people directly involved can cycle out. Leaving the way Maryland did, left a bad taste in some people's mouths.

From Barry Svrluga in the Washington Post:

“Loh, along with former athletic director Kevin Anderson, pushed Maryland away from that solid, steady base by yanking the school from the ACC to the Big Ten. This was a money grab, nothing short of it, a move that shoved to the side generations of tradition and history because Jim Delany, the Big Ten commissioner/con-artist, promised more cash. Never mind that the idea of driving through Beltway traffic to see Purdue on a Tuesday night in January was, nebulously, not as attractive as enduring the same commute to see, say, N.C. State. The money mattered, and Loh went for it.”


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