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RE: New AAC ESPN TV Deal
BTW, this right here is why it's stupid to reorganize CUSA and the SBC conference geographically. Can we now leave behind the myth that G5 revenue opportunities in media rights is drying up?

I mean, you aren't going to be able to put any combination of SBC and CUSA schools to get the kind of money the AAC is, but I don't have much doubt you get get a combination of schools together that could get 7 figures per school per year - a lot more than meager travel savings of going from a geographically spread-out conference to a somewhat less geographically spread out conference.

Remember that there are contract restrictions on how many times a year each team can have a weekday game, so the TV appeal of your middle and lower teams matters.
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There's definitely a group of schools that could be grouped together that could get at least $1mill-$1.5mill each out of a TV deal.
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(03-20-2019 07:53 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  There's definitely a group of schools that could be grouped together that could get at least $1mill-$1.5mill each out of a TV deal.

Don't the MAC schools?
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They get around 800k and have to play a ton of midweek games and hardly any late season Saturday games.
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(03-20-2019 07:25 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I'll freaking take it.

It's about a million less than many of their fans convinced themselves they'd get and a lot more ESPN+ than they believed they'd accept.

It's a really good deal unless you thought you were getting $8 million per and no streaming of major sports.

Yup. Zero surprise to me. I have been saying 6-8 million and that ESPN+ would be part of the deal forever. Some thought I was too negative. The new AAC deal basically lies between the MLS Soccer payout (which has lower ratings) and Premier League payout which draws similar sized audiences in the US—but offers far more content at that level. Best case scenario was to split the package between ESPN and NBC—-but apparently that scenario didn’t materialize. The only thing I was off on was the length of the deal. I thought it would be another 6 year contract.
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(03-19-2019 03:31 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(03-19-2019 03:25 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Saw that. Big increase from $2mil a year to $7 million a year. They're not going to be happy with this part though

Quote:but the majority of basketball games and a significant number of the football games will go to ESPN+.

So they're taking more money for less airtime?

yep. last time we took high exposure with less money...thins time way better money but the AAC is being used to grow ESPN+

it's a balance and it WILL matter...that said, I would have made the same decision as Aresco.
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Not sure why people think ESPN+ is a bad place to be.


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(03-20-2019 07:51 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  BTW, this right here is why it's stupid to reorganize CUSA and the SBC conference geographically. Can we now leave behind the myth that G5 revenue opportunities in media rights is drying up?

I mean, you aren't going to be able to put any combination of SBC and CUSA schools to get the kind of money the AAC is, but I don't have much doubt you get get a combination of schools together that could get 7 figures per school per year - a lot more than meager travel savings of going from a geographically spread-out conference to a somewhat less geographically spread out conference.

Remember that there are contract restrictions on how many times a year each team can have a weekday game, so the TV appeal of your middle and lower teams matters.

Unless I get to make the decision on realignment I'm not in favor of any changes BUT the driving force behind the disparity is fan support and UCF. We can compete with UCF no doubt but we have to fill stadiums. The Sun Belt is doing everything right and Texas state, USA, as well as Coastal are putting the pieces in place to give confidence but denying that tighter regional competition is an asset is ignoring the obvious. Again our conference mates are investing in the future well beyond expectations and the top of the conference is performing the same but regional rivalries makes rabid fans.
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(03-20-2019 06:40 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  Not sure why people think ESPN+ is a bad place to be.


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Because it's an additional monthly subscription and you have to stream it vs watch it on TV.
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Not so sure Espn+ will play a huge roll in AaC beyond what ESPN 3 does now. Until we hear from Aresco and ESPN we have to wait and see the details of the contract.

I do believe howver that entities like Ecu, Tulane, Usf basketball will be relegated to ESPN +. As will Tulane , Tulsa, Uconn and SMU football.

It is my belief however that the greatest part of this contract is that ESPN has made a long term investment in the Aac. This more than anything else will ensure the Aac survives and thrives in the next decade.

I believe that Conf USA is in deep trouble as they may be the first G5 to collapse from lack of financial support going forward.

I think ESPN values the Sun Belt and The Mac as distinctive players in their portfolio. The Belt is in the football rich south amd the Mac has shown willingness to play midweek games when no one else will.

This leaves Conf USA and the Mt West in interesting spots.Tje Mtw seems willing to split from ESPN to control their football and basketball start times. I could see a scenario where Boise like BYU goes independent and signs separate deals with the Sports leader.

Conf Usa is in deep trouble imo Because they lack a coherent vision and strategy. The only legacy schools they have with any cache are Marshall, Southern Miss football and Wku ( maybe ODU for basketball)for basketball. Every other school in that conference imo has serious issues of being recognized nationally. Because of these issues its hard to see where they fit in long term withEspn if at all.

If I was Marshall I would seek to rejoin the Mac. I think Southern Miss should join the Sun Bekt. Both conferences woukd greatly benefit from these schools and vice versa.
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(03-20-2019 11:43 PM)TXSTRiverBobcat Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 06:40 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  Not sure why people think ESPN+ is a bad place to be.


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Because it's an additional monthly subscription and you have to stream it vs watch it on TV.

And the quality is not as good because the production is mostly run by students using a Fisher Price my-first-camera
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I have zero problems with paying for a service that I utilize. I've watched the most away App sporting events this past year ever. The real Sub Belt ESPN+ contract starts 2020, but which point each school will have their production more sophisticated. I however don't mind listening to the homer announcers for the host school. Kind of like listening to their radio feed of the game. You get a better inside view of the team.
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(03-21-2019 06:57 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 11:43 PM)TXSTRiverBobcat Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 06:40 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  Not sure why people think ESPN+ is a bad place to be.


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Because it's an additional monthly subscription and you have to stream it vs watch it on TV.

And the quality is not as good because the production is mostly run by students using a Fisher Price my-first-camera

Clearly you weren't around for EagleVision. More expensive, just showed GS football home games, and only had 1 press box camera with the radio call overlaid. Sure, I'd prefer our announcers were better, but you can't complain about video quality.

This is EagleVision for $5 per game:




This is ESPN+ for $5 per month:




ESPN's strategy is pretty obvious at this point. ESPN3 will disappear and everything that isn't on a mainline channel will be on ESPN+. Eventually they'll sell their mainline channels without cable, probably as part of Disney+ once that gets up and running.

The complaint about streaming vs TV is silly too. Roku, Chromecast, Amazon Fire stick, smart TV, etc all stream in 720p 60 frames at minimum and look as good or better than "real" TV.
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(03-20-2019 11:43 PM)TXSTRiverBobcat Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 06:40 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  Not sure why people think ESPN+ is a bad place to be.


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Because it's an additional monthly subscription and you have to stream it vs watch it on TV.


My 60 year old dad is a wiz at streaming tv. Surely the rest of you up guys can figure it out.


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(03-20-2019 07:51 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  BTW, this right here is why it's stupid to reorganize CUSA and the SBC conference geographically. Can we now leave behind the myth that G5 revenue opportunities in media rights is drying up?

I mean, you aren't going to be able to put any combination of SBC and CUSA schools to get the kind of money the AAC is, but I don't have much doubt you get get a combination of schools together that could get 7 figures per school per year - a lot more than meager travel savings of going from a geographically spread-out conference to a somewhat less geographically spread out conference.

Remember that there are contract restrictions on how many times a year each team can have a weekday game, so the TV appeal of your middle and lower teams matters.

I would love to challenge this, but there is no way to prove it. that being said, the AAC is 13 teams that are really built up on about 7-8 teams. which is why they now have a clause that the money can drop if certain programs leave. if given the chance to cherry pick 12 teams between Sun Belt and C-usa, you could create a league better than the AAC, once the new league got to play together and things like SOS, etc get factored in.
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RE: New AAC ESPN TV Deal
(03-20-2019 07:51 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  BTW, this right here is why it's stupid to reorganize CUSA and the SBC conference geographically. Can we now leave behind the myth that G5 revenue opportunities in media rights is drying up?

I mean, you aren't going to be able to put any combination of SBC and CUSA schools to get the kind of money the AAC is, but I don't have much doubt you get get a combination of schools together that could get 7 figures per school per year - a lot more than meager travel savings of going from a geographically spread-out conference to a somewhat less geographically spread out conference.

Remember that there are contract restrictions on how many times a year each team can have a weekday game, so the TV appeal of your middle and lower teams matters.

so what is your 7-figures TV money conference?
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(03-21-2019 07:48 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 11:43 PM)TXSTRiverBobcat Wrote:  
(03-20-2019 06:40 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  Not sure why people think ESPN+ is a bad place to be.


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Because it's an additional monthly subscription and you have to stream it vs watch it on TV.


My 60 year old dad is a wiz at streaming tv. Surely the rest of you up guys can figure it out.


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My dad is 86 and only games he misses are the ones that aren't streamed. He calls his Roku "the Youtube" but he can find the games.
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(03-19-2019 05:24 PM)KnightLife Wrote:  
(03-19-2019 03:33 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  This shows there's a river between the AAC and the rest of the G5, and a gulf between the AAC and the Power 5. The people on the AAC board that thought they were getting 8 figures per school per year will be disappointed.

Interesting that this goes 12 years. That's after it's presumed Texas and Oklahoma leave the Big 12 and the Big 12 presumably backfills from the AAC.
If the AAC loses members to the Big 12 ESPN could find the media rights are no longer worth what they're paying.

good point. and you know all G5 AD's from the sunbelt/CUSA will be prepared once that time comes to move up.

i'm curious what the AD from ASU thinks about the deal, hopefully Kara will ask him that on weekly show with Kara Richey. i like that guy opinions lol

I hope Kara will ask Terry about bowls. I think the final 2020-2026 bowl lineup is supposed to be official in May. I'd be curious as to his take on whats going on with the bowl lineups at the G5 level now that at least some of the P5 picture was recently revealed by McMurphy.
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(03-21-2019 12:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-19-2019 05:24 PM)KnightLife Wrote:  
(03-19-2019 03:33 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  This shows there's a river between the AAC and the rest of the G5, and a gulf between the AAC and the Power 5. The people on the AAC board that thought they were getting 8 figures per school per year will be disappointed.

Interesting that this goes 12 years. That's after it's presumed Texas and Oklahoma leave the Big 12 and the Big 12 presumably backfills from the AAC.
If the AAC loses members to the Big 12 ESPN could find the media rights are no longer worth what they're paying.

good point. and you know all G5 AD's from the sunbelt/CUSA will be prepared once that time comes to move up.

i'm curious what the AD from ASU thinks about the deal, hopefully Kara will ask him that on weekly show with Kara Richey. i like that guy opinions lol

I hope Kara will ask Terry about bowls. I think the final 2020-2026 bowl lineup is supposed to be official in May. I'd be curious as to his take on whats going on with the bowl lineups at the G5 level now that at least some of the P5 picture was recently revealed by McMurphy.
Is there any interest in the Cure Bowl at all by the AAC? I honestly wish the New Orleans Bowl would be against the AAC (but a higher finishing AAC team than the Cure gets).
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