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RE: OSU Fan Site Eleven Warriors - is SEC/ACC/ESPN a monopoly?
(01-18-2019 01:40 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 01:11 PM)chess Wrote:  ESPN is not a monopoly.

...more like Risk than Monopoly. ESPN controls one continent (ACC) and enough of the others to prevent anyone else from getting them.

Actually, ESPN controls 2 continents, using your Risk analogy: SEC and ACC.
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(01-21-2019 04:06 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 01:40 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 01:11 PM)chess Wrote:  ESPN is not a monopoly.

...more like Risk than Monopoly. ESPN controls one continent (ACC) and enough of the others to prevent anyone else from getting them.

Actually, ESPN controls 2 continents, using your Risk analogy: SEC and ACC.

Nah, they control MOST of the SEC, but CBS still has a very choice piece of that continent!
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RE: OSU Fan Site Eleven Warriors - is SEC/ACC/ESPN a monopoly?
(01-18-2019 01:40 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 01:11 PM)chess Wrote:  ESPN is not a monopoly.

...more like Risk than Monopoly. ESPN controls one continent (ACC) and enough of the others to prevent anyone else from getting them.

I stopped playing risk about 10 years ago. My three brother in laws and I would play that game every friday and saturday night until 2 or 3 oclock in the morning. Sometimes we would start on a Friday night until 3 am and then finish on saturday night. It got to be way too competitive and addicting. So now we spend our time playing spades, which is equally competitive and addicting, but it doesnt take so long.
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RE: OSU Fan Site Eleven Warriors - is SEC/ACC/ESPN a monopoly?
(01-21-2019 10:54 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 01:40 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 01:11 PM)chess Wrote:  ESPN is not a monopoly.

...more like Risk than Monopoly. ESPN controls one continent (ACC) and enough of the others to prevent anyone else from getting them.

I stopped playing risk about 10 years ago. My three brother in laws and I would play that game every friday and saturday night until 2 or 3 oclock in the morning. Sometimes we would start on a Friday night until 3 am and then finish on saturday night. It got to be way too competitive and addicting. So now we spend our time playing spades, which is equally competitive and addicting, but it doesnt take so long.

If you like spades, try bid whist... even MORE addictive! 01-wingedeagle
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RE: OSU Fan Site Eleven Warriors - is SEC/ACC/ESPN a monopoly?
(01-21-2019 12:01 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-21-2019 10:54 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 01:40 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 01:11 PM)chess Wrote:  ESPN is not a monopoly.

...more like Risk than Monopoly. ESPN controls one continent (ACC) and enough of the others to prevent anyone else from getting them.

I stopped playing risk about 10 years ago. My three brother in laws and I would play that game every friday and saturday night until 2 or 3 oclock in the morning. Sometimes we would start on a Friday night until 3 am and then finish on saturday night. It got to be way too competitive and addicting. So now we spend our time playing spades, which is equally competitive and addicting, but it doesnt take so long.

If you like spades, try bid whist... even MORE addictive! 01-wingedeagle

I have played bid whisk(?). Still like spades
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RE: OSU Fan Site Eleven Warriors - is SEC/ACC/ESPN a monopoly?
(01-21-2019 12:47 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-21-2019 12:01 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-21-2019 10:54 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 01:40 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 01:11 PM)chess Wrote:  ESPN is not a monopoly.

...more like Risk than Monopoly. ESPN controls one continent (ACC) and enough of the others to prevent anyone else from getting them.

I stopped playing risk about 10 years ago. My three brother in laws and I would play that game every friday and saturday night until 2 or 3 oclock in the morning. Sometimes we would start on a Friday night until 3 am and then finish on saturday night. It got to be way too competitive and addicting. So now we spend our time playing spades, which is equally competitive and addicting, but it doesnt take so long.

If you like spades, try bid whist... even MORE addictive! 01-wingedeagle

I have played bid whisk(?). Still like spades

It's called Bid Whist, and it's basically spades in which the highest bidder wins the right to determine the rules of the hand (e.g. high or low card wins; with or without trump cards). This makes it more exciting because you can destroy your opponent's hand by simply out-bidding him (and thus low-bidding is severely punished).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bid_whist
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RE: OSU Fan Site Eleven Warriors - is SEC/ACC/ESPN a monopoly?
(01-21-2019 01:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-21-2019 12:47 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-21-2019 12:01 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-21-2019 10:54 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 01:40 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ...more like Risk than Monopoly. ESPN controls one continent (ACC) and enough of the others to prevent anyone else from getting them.

I stopped playing risk about 10 years ago. My three brother in laws and I would play that game every friday and saturday night until 2 or 3 oclock in the morning. Sometimes we would start on a Friday night until 3 am and then finish on saturday night. It got to be way too competitive and addicting. So now we spend our time playing spades, which is equally competitive and addicting, but it doesnt take so long.

If you like spades, try bid whist... even MORE addictive! 01-wingedeagle

I have played bid whisk(?). Still like spades

It's called Bid Whist, and it's basically spades in which the highest bidder wins the right to determine the rules of the hand (e.g. high or low card wins; with or without trump cards). This makes it more exciting because you can destroy your opponent's hand by simply out-bidding him (and thus low-bidding is severely punished).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bid_whist

I think most of my problem with Bid Whist is that my mother is very good at it. Im 55 years old and I have never beaten her at Bid Whist.

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Spades are for people who haven't yet discovered a Rook deck. :)
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(01-21-2019 05:03 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Spades are for people who haven't yet discovered a Rook deck. :)

Ok, You're going to have to educate this old guy. What is a Rook deck?
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(01-21-2019 05:24 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-21-2019 05:03 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Spades are for people who haven't yet discovered a Rook deck. :)

Ok, You're going to have to educate this old guy. What is a Rook deck?

I love Rook.
We play a modified game. No 1,2,3,4. Rook plays as a 10.5. 120 points, 5 card widow.
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(01-21-2019 09:17 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-21-2019 05:24 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-21-2019 05:03 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Spades are for people who haven't yet discovered a Rook deck. :)

Ok, You're going to have to educate this old guy. What is a Rook deck?

I love Rook.
We play a modified game. No 1,2,3,4. Rook plays as a 10.5. 120 points, 5 card widow.


Jeeeeeeeeeez. Modified Rook? That's a new one on me.

For cuseroc:

https://www.pagat.com/kt5/rook.html
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(01-19-2019 01:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-19-2019 10:19 AM)XLance Wrote:  History has taught us that when the frustration of the institutions that just can't seem to catch up rises to a certain level. Those institutions will use the NCAA to modify the rules to make it easier for their schools by putting restrictions on Clemson and Alabama (scholarship reduction/redshirt rules/staff, etc).

Well I'm already on record in favor of reducing the scholarships/roster down to 65 players anyway (for more parity, and to save costs), so if that happens, I'm fine with it.

If you want parity, then abolish all athletic grants-in-aid. Draw your football talent from students who have matriculated solely on the basis of academic merit. All sports would be club sports, and participants would pay activity fees and derive benefit as they would from any other extra-curricular activity -- kind of like high school sports.

Let the NFL create its own development league(s) for guys who are more interested in playing football than earning a degree in a recognized academic discipline (just think, no more special studies students with undeclared majors taking faux classes).

And finally, tell the networks to take their influence and money and stuff them where the Sun don't shine.
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(01-13-2019 01:33 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If fans don’t like Alabama and Clemson playing for all the marbles every season, they need to be on their coaches to beat them. Not The Crimson Tide or Tigers fault they do what it takes. It’s every team in The Big Ten, Big 12, and PAC along with the rest of the programs in The ACC and SEC fault.

No reason for college football to change the playoff process so other teams can compete.

Well, there are a boat load of the participation trophy generation out there. They need to learn if you want it then earn it. Nothing is free and there are no guarantees of success. And I consider those minor lessons compared to something more serious, like actual combat, where finishing second gets you a Purple Heart for participation.
The bowl system is the original participation trophy

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RE: OSU Fan Site Eleven Warriors - is SEC/ACC/ESPN a monopoly?
(01-22-2019 01:46 AM)colohank Wrote:  
(01-19-2019 01:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-19-2019 10:19 AM)XLance Wrote:  History has taught us that when the frustration of the institutions that just can't seem to catch up rises to a certain level. Those institutions will use the NCAA to modify the rules to make it easier for their schools by putting restrictions on Clemson and Alabama (scholarship reduction/redshirt rules/staff, etc).

Well I'm already on record in favor of reducing the scholarships/roster down to 65 players anyway (for more parity, and to save costs), so if that happens, I'm fine with it.

If you want parity, then abolish all athletic grants-in-aid. Draw your football talent from students who have matriculated solely on the basis of academic merit. All sports would be club sports, and participants would pay activity fees and derive benefit as they would from any other extra-curricular activity -- kind of like high school sports.

Let the NFL create its own development league(s) for guys who are more interested in playing football than earning a degree in a recognized academic discipline (just think, no more special studies students with undeclared majors taking faux classes).

And finally, tell the networks to take their influence and money and stuff them where the Sun don't shine.

There are people working with those goals in mind

https://www.knightcommission.org/about-k...ommission/

ABOUT THE KNIGHT COMMISSION
The Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics is guided by the following principles:
Athlete health, safety and well-being must be a guiding imperative.
The educational experience and outcomes of college athletes must be paramount.
Institutions and their associations must demonstrate fiscal responsibility and prioritize athlete health and safety, athlete education and campus academics in the allocation of athletics revenues.
The governance of associations must demonstrate integrity, advance the educational missions of institutions and the well-being of college athletes and share voting power with college athletes.
Mission
The Knight Commission was formed by the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation in October 1989 to promote reforms that support and strengthen the educational mission of college sports.
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RE: OSU Fan Site Eleven Warriors - is SEC/ACC/ESPN a monopoly?
(01-22-2019 03:10 AM)Shrack Wrote:  
(01-18-2019 06:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-13-2019 01:33 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If fans don’t like Alabama and Clemson playing for all the marbles every season, they need to be on their coaches to beat them. Not The Crimson Tide or Tigers fault they do what it takes. It’s every team in The Big Ten, Big 12, and PAC along with the rest of the programs in The ACC and SEC fault.

No reason for college football to change the playoff process so other teams can compete.

Well, there are a boat load of the participation trophy generation out there. They need to learn if you want it then earn it. Nothing is free and there are no guarantees of success. And I consider those minor lessons compared to something more serious, like actual combat, where finishing second gets you a Purple Heart for participation.
The bowl system is the original participation trophy

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No it wasn't. The intent of the bowls was strictly commercial. Bring in tourist dollars for the local economy. The whole concept was never seen as anything but a vacation opportunity. The Rose Bowl being the first had these motives and the hopes of matching two of the best teams in the nation. That was later changed to PAC vs Big 10.
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(01-22-2019 05:20 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-22-2019 01:46 AM)colohank Wrote:  
(01-19-2019 01:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-19-2019 10:19 AM)XLance Wrote:  History has taught us that when the frustration of the institutions that just can't seem to catch up rises to a certain level. Those institutions will use the NCAA to modify the rules to make it easier for their schools by putting restrictions on Clemson and Alabama (scholarship reduction/redshirt rules/staff, etc).

Well I'm already on record in favor of reducing the scholarships/roster down to 65 players anyway (for more parity, and to save costs), so if that happens, I'm fine with it.

If you want parity, then abolish all athletic grants-in-aid. Draw your football talent from students who have matriculated solely on the basis of academic merit. All sports would be club sports, and participants would pay activity fees and derive benefit as they would from any other extra-curricular activity -- kind of like high school sports.

Let the NFL create its own development league(s) for guys who are more interested in playing football than earning a degree in a recognized academic discipline (just think, no more special studies students with undeclared majors taking faux classes).

And finally, tell the networks to take their influence and money and stuff them where the Sun don't shine.

There are people working with those goals in mind

https://www.knightcommission.org/about-k...ommission/

ABOUT THE KNIGHT COMMISSION
The Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics is guided by the following principles:
Athlete health, safety and well-being must be a guiding imperative.
The educational experience and outcomes of college athletes must be paramount.
Institutions and their associations must demonstrate fiscal responsibility and prioritize athlete health and safety, athlete education and campus academics in the allocation of athletics revenues.
The governance of associations must demonstrate integrity, advance the educational missions of institutions and the well-being of college athletes and share voting power with college athletes.
Mission
The Knight Commission was formed by the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation in October 1989 to promote reforms that support and strengthen the educational mission of college sports.

Idealistic from its inception whose cause was not helped by the individual actions of many of its active members (those who were active university presidents or active heads of statewide systems) during their respective tenures, most notably on the ACC side - Shalala and Kirwan.

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