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Conference realignment doesn’t seem likely, but Longhorn Network, ACC Network and Pac
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"Now, some realignment rumors are starting again, and media rights are again a key reason why, especially when it comes to the Longhorn Network, the upcoming ACC Network, and the Pac-12 and its networks."


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RE: Conference realignment doesn’t seem likely, but Longhorn Network, ACC Network and Pac
(12-26-2018 09:25 AM)XLance Wrote:  https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/confere...twork.html

"Now, some realignment rumors are starting again, and media rights are again a key reason why, especially when it comes to the Longhorn Network, the upcoming ACC Network, and the Pac-12 and its networks."


Make sure to check out these links:

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Jour...ports.aspx

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Jour...nners.aspx

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Jour...osers.aspx

Interesting that, while the Big Ten was a financial winner, that last SBJ article lists them as a realignment loser (Maryland, Rutgers).
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Conf realignment doesn't seem likely but...
(12-26-2018 10:49 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(12-26-2018 09:25 AM)XLance Wrote:  https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/confere...twork.html

"Now, some realignment rumors are starting again, and media rights are again a key reason why, especially when it comes to the Longhorn Network, the upcoming ACC Network, and the Pac-12 and its networks."


Make sure to check out these links:

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Jour...ports.aspx

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Jour...nners.aspx

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Jour...osers.aspx

Interesting that, while the Big Ten was a financial winner, that last SBJ article lists them as a realignment loser (Maryland, Rutgers).

I think Maryland will eventually prove to be a good addition for the Big Ten. Rutgers it's hard to say the same thing mainly because that school has never truly had a decent functioning athletic department. If they had an overachieving athletic department similar to UConn's they'd probably actually deserve to be considered a sleeping giant.

But they will always have 2006 to look back upon.

Cheers,
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Conference realignment doesn’t seem likely, but Longhorn Network, ACC Network and Pac
(12-26-2018 11:26 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  
(12-26-2018 10:49 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(12-26-2018 09:25 AM)XLance Wrote:  https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/confere...twork.html

"Now, some realignment rumors are starting again, and media rights are again a key reason why, especially when it comes to the Longhorn Network, the upcoming ACC Network, and the Pac-12 and its networks."


Make sure to check out these links:

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Jour...ports.aspx

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Jour...nners.aspx

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Jour...osers.aspx

Interesting that, while the Big Ten was a financial winner, that last SBJ article lists them as a realignment loser (Maryland, Rutgers).

I think Maryland will eventually prove to be a good addition for the Big Ten. Rutgers it's hard to say the same thing mainly because that school has never truly had a decent functioning athletic department. If they had an overachieving athletic department similar to UConn's they'd probably actually deserve to be considered a sleeping giant.

But they will always have 2006 to look back upon.

Cheers,
Neil

Yes, there's nothing quite like getting the 4th or 5th best bowl in an 8 team conference when you win 10 games.
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RE: Conference realignment doesn’t seem likely, but Longhorn Network, ACC Network and Pac
(12-26-2018 11:53 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(12-26-2018 11:26 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  
(12-26-2018 10:49 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(12-26-2018 09:25 AM)XLance Wrote:  https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/confere...twork.html

"Now, some realignment rumors are starting again, and media rights are again a key reason why, especially when it comes to the Longhorn Network, the upcoming ACC Network, and the Pac-12 and its networks."


Make sure to check out these links:

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Jour...ports.aspx

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Jour...nners.aspx

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Jour...osers.aspx

Interesting that, while the Big Ten was a financial winner, that last SBJ article lists them as a realignment loser (Maryland, Rutgers).

I think Maryland will eventually prove to be a good addition for the Big Ten. Rutgers it's hard to say the same thing mainly because that school has never truly had a decent functioning athletic department. If they had an overachieving athletic department similar to UConn's they'd probably actually deserve to be considered a sleeping giant.

But they will always have 2006 to look back upon.

Cheers,
Neil

Yes, there's nothing quite like getting the 4th or 5th best bowl in an 8 team conference when you win 10 games.

Let us not forget that the ESB was lit up in red. I mean, can it get any bigger than that?
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(12-27-2018 09:42 AM)HtownOrange Wrote:  
(12-26-2018 11:53 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(12-26-2018 11:26 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  Rutgers... has never truly had a decent functioning athletic department. If they had an overachieving athletic department similar to UConn's they'd probably actually deserve to be considered a sleeping giant.

But they will always have 2006 to look back upon.

Cheers,
Neil

Yes, there's nothing quite like getting the 4th or 5th best bowl in an 8 team conference when you win 10 games.

Let us not forget that the ESB was lit up in red. I mean, can it get any bigger than that?

You guys really ought to stop.
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RE: Conference realignment doesn’t seem likely, but Longhorn Network, ACC Network and Pac
The B10 was under some pressure to prevent PSU from moving. The ACC was probably closer to having PSU move than we may know until some folks die at WF. It was not until very, very late in the process that the conference found out that MD was playing a double game with intent to leave the conference. Remember, MD not only brings its market footprint, it brings the info needed to for the B10 to keep PSU in place and to squelch any conversation between league emissaries and NW and or Purdue.


Maryland "paid for itself" by solidifying Penn State.
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RE: Conference realignment doesn’t seem likely, but Longhorn Network, ACC Network and Pac
The only use of the LHN is to bribe Texas so espn has some control where they go.
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(12-27-2018 10:57 AM)Statefan Wrote:  The B10 was under some pressure to prevent PSU from moving. The ACC was probably closer to having PSU move than we may know until some folks die at WF. It was not until very, very late in the process that the conference found out that MD was playing a double game with intent to leave the conference. Remember, MD not only brings its market footprint, it brings the info needed to for the B10 to keep PSU in place and to squelch any conversation between league emissaries and NW and or Purdue.


Maryland "paid for itself" by solidifying Penn State.

You have hinted at this before. Can you explain in more detail what is rumored to may have actually happened?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Cheers,
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RE: Conference realignment doesn’t seem likely, but Longhorn Network, ACC Network and Pac
(12-27-2018 11:46 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  
(12-27-2018 10:57 AM)Statefan Wrote:  The B10 was under some pressure to prevent PSU from moving. The ACC was probably closer to having PSU move than we may know until some folks die at WF. It was not until very, very late in the process that the conference found out that MD was playing a double game with intent to leave the conference. Remember, MD not only brings its market footprint, it brings the info needed to for the B10 to keep PSU in place and to squelch any conversation between league emissaries and NW and or Purdue.


Maryland "paid for itself" by solidifying Penn State.

You have hinted at this before. Can you explain in more detail what is rumored to may have actually happened?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Cheers,
Neil

Intermediaries were talking to PSU, Purdue, and NW. Only the Presidents and Chancellors from private schools talk on behalf of the ACC where the talk is arranged outside any normal NCAA function that would otherwise bring them together. It can become tiresome being under Ohio State's and Michigan's thumbs. Or course it's also about moving parts. One of those moving parts was ND.
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RE: Conference realignment doesn’t seem likely, but Longhorn Network, ACC Network and Pac
If you go back to Gene Corrigan's original vision, he wanted ND, FSU, Miami, and Penn State in the ACC. This from time the ACC had 8 schools. Getting Maryland, Duke, or UNC to bite at the time was impossible - they liked things as they were. To get 3 of the 4 at one time would have meant getting PSU, FSU, and ND - Miami always being 12th in term of the "get". Once you lose PSU from that package, you have a lot less to attract ND to a 12 school ACC and that 12th spot then has to be filled by one of Syracuse, Pitt, or BC.

If you can get PSU into the ACC, the chances of getting ND to play more than 5 football games goes way up despite what they will admit. Of course that's a different universe of schools at that time. Does a 12 team ACC with ND, PSU, FSU, and Miami expand to 14? If so with who? VT would have been in the B10 or SEC by that juncture. Without PSU, the Big 10 likely targets Syracuse and Pitt and perhaps goes to 14 with Pitt, Syracuse, Nebraska, and one of BC or VT.

Maryland did not want to be in an ACC North. They did not want their basketball separated from the State of NC. They also hated UNC-Ch and Duke and preferential treatment from the league office. That, combined with Kirwan's desire to put MD into the Big 10 with his beloved Ohio State and Loh's ties to Iowa and Mary Sue at UM meant the fix was in if MD did not get what it wanted from expansion to 14. They did not get what they wanted and knew they were not getting what they wanted so they dropped the dime on our esteemed emissaries of the Baptist persuasion and exposed the sinister Baptist/Catholic plot. (For those that take things literally, this is a religious joke)


Of course Barry Alverez is on record alluding to the Penn State issue and when it comes to NW and Purdue, it's a whole lot of little brother issues and the inability to compete against 3 105,000 seat football stadiums and two more greater than 85K.


No P-5 has been enticed to switch conferences due to the pull of the new conference alone. Money is never the only issue. There is always a push factor and sometimes that push factor does not reveal itself for some time. That's why current and past talk of "poaching" is so dumb and approaches the issue from the ass end instead of the front.
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RE: Conference realignment doesn’t seem likely, but Longhorn Network, ACC Network and Pac
Now, why would a NW be the least be interested in the ACC? The ACC with ND, WF, Duke, GT, UVa, and Miami present a NW with the opportunity not to be the private, academic outlier competing in college sports. For Purdue and ACC with NC State, Clemson, and MD make Purdue the biggest "cow college" in the conference and if ND is involved that settles their annual need to see ND.


Interest is not movement.


Think of this in terms of human relations - marriage, versus affairs, versus a one night stand. Many affairs are "tryouts" for a new marriage or living arrangement. Sometimes people flirt to gauge their options, sometimes they are serious. When the marriage finally breaks, it's rarely due to the attractive pull of the new person alone, usually there are push factors that have been pushing for years.


If you look at the various schools in conference "marriage" you will see who is never going to attempt to "trade up" as that trade up will cost them their position at the top of the community social hierarchy. That's why at best UNC-Ch, UVa, and Duke may flirt to get their spouses attention, but they have too much invested at home.
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Thanks Statefan. The ACC's interest in ND and PSU is well known and goes a long ways back. ND itself has rarely ever shown any interest in being in a conference specifically because it has PSU as a member so that part of the info seems suspect to me. ACC wanting ND and ACC wanting PSU is only logical as I have stated in several posts over the years on this board and others, but if the ACC truly thought having PSU was somehow a key to getting ND to join full-time demonstrates to me that even by the early 2010's their understanding of the Irish is questionable at best. Not as bad as believing ND would join a fully southern conference ACC back in 2003, but still not good.

Now it is true that ND and PSU did play each other a lot in the 80s and early 90s (12 of the 19 times they played happened then) when both were independents so I could see Corrigan perhaps believing there might be some connection there at that time but having talked with others who are familiar with both ND and PSU, I am under the impression there has never been much between them - including discussions around what teams they would want in a conference if they did form a northeastern conference. The fact that JoePa never mentions wanting an independent ND as part of his efforts to form a northeastern conference but did mention Maryland a founding and current member of the ACC back then as a possibility speaks volumes to me as it should have to ACC officials as well.

Now I have been told from people familiar with both sides that when ND considered the Big Ten sometime in late 2003 or early 2004 after they had ended negotiations with the ACC and were once again considering the Big Ten on the quiet (these talks I am told were actually initiated by the Irish, not the Big Ten) the Irish voiced the same concerns about joining the Big Ten they had back in 1999 and asked for permission to speak with PSU about their assimilation into the conference. Whatever JoePa said wasn't good, or at least surprised ND, because the "quiet" talks ended quickly after that.

By 2010 though JoePa seemed to have mellowed and was looking for any expansion beyond the Midwest so Delany's original plan of expanding with one to three of Texas, TAMU, ND, and Nebraska sounded good to him. Some say he simply wanted a "voting block" outside of the 10 to help persuade things to go in a different direction if need be. Also, if I am recalling correctly it was in 2011 there was the infamous leaked story with anonymous Big Ten officials questioning PSU's overall value to the league, no doubt in response to JoePa pushing for more eastern expansion. So when the ACC expanded with SU and Pitt joining them with Maryland and BC I could see Penn State at least getting "roving eyes" as Alvarez said. Which in turn got my hopes up that even with the BTN there was a slight chance PSU might join the ACC.

I assume that the NW and Purdue stuff was separate and distinct from the PSU side of the equation and more perhaps some misguided idea of what ND might want to join fully. But this would definitely seem to indicate that even the ACC had gotten to the point of considering expansion to at least 18 which is both surprising and shows some foresight on the part of the conference. Or am I misinterpreting this and 16 was going to be the max with two of ND, PSU, Purdue, and NW?

As for the conference not finding out until late in the game that Maryland was playing a "double game" with intent on leaving the conference, well that is on the conference in my eyes. Institutions in the league knew Maryland (and Rutgers) were potential high profile expansion candidates for expansion beyond 12 when it became obvious by late Spring of 2010 only Nebraska was willing to bite of the four desired candidates. Wasn't there even some exploratory reach out to other high profile ACC institutions by the Big Ten at that time as well? If yes, then they had to know some of the tactics the Big Ten was using to "persuade" any potential members to leave the conference. These tactics no doubt included playing up academics, the CIC, the BTN with "more $$$ than God" as one Big Ten official proclaimed.

Conference officials also had to know about Maryland's $$$ issues and that the Big Ten would appear to be an "easy fix" to them. But just as many Big East officials and conference mates were "shocked" to see Syracuse accept the ACC bid in 2011, I suppose the same was true of ACC officials in regards to Maryland. Ultimately though they only have themselves to blame if they extended a whole lot of trust and faith in Maryland by that time since the writing was on the wall for many who were not as near to the situation as they were.

Thanks again for the info. Learned some new interesting stuff.

Cheers,
Neil
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(12-27-2018 07:58 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  Thanks Statefan. The ACC's interest in ND and PSU is well known and goes a long ways back. ND itself has rarely ever shown any interest in being in a conference specifically because it has PSU as a member so that part of the info seems suspect to me. ACC wanting ND and ACC wanting PSU is only logical as I have stated in several posts over the years on this board and others, but if the ACC truly thought having PSU was somehow a key to getting ND to join full-time demonstrates to me that even by the early 2010's their understanding of the Irish is questionable at best. Not as bad as believing ND would join a fully southern conference ACC back in 2003, but still not good.

Now it is true that ND and PSU did play each other a lot in the 80s and early 90s (12 of the 19 times they played happened then) when both were independents so I could see Corrigan perhaps believing there might be some connection there at that time but having talked with others who are familiar with both ND and PSU, I am under the impression there has never been much between them - including discussions around what teams they would want in a conference if they did form a northeastern conference. The fact that JoePa never mentions wanting an independent ND as part of his efforts to form a northeastern conference but did mention Maryland a founding and current member of the ACC back then as a possibility speaks volumes to me as it should have to ACC officials as well.

Now I have been told from people familiar with both sides that when ND considered the Big Ten sometime in late 2003 or early 2004 after they had ended negotiations with the ACC and were once again considering the Big Ten on the quiet (these talks I am told were actually initiated by the Irish, not the Big Ten) the Irish voiced the same concerns about joining the Big Ten they had back in 1999 and asked for permission to speak with PSU about their assimilation into the conference. Whatever JoePa said wasn't good, or at least surprised ND, because the "quiet" talks ended quickly after that.

By 2010 though JoePa seemed to have mellowed and was looking for any expansion beyond the Midwest so Delany's original plan of expanding with one to three of Texas, TAMU, ND, and Nebraska sounded good to him. Some say he simply wanted a "voting block" outside of the 10 to help persuade things to go in a different direction if need be. Also, if I am recalling correctly it was in 2011 there was the infamous leaked story with anonymous Big Ten officials questioning PSU's overall value to the league, no doubt in response to JoePa pushing for more eastern expansion. So when the ACC expanded with SU and Pitt joining them with Maryland and BC I could see Penn State at least getting "roving eyes" as Alvarez said. Which in turn got my hopes up that even with the BTN there was a slight chance PSU might join the ACC.

I assume that the NW and Purdue stuff was separate and distinct from the PSU side of the equation and more perhaps some misguided idea of what ND might want to join fully. But this would definitely seem to indicate that even the ACC had gotten to the point of considering expansion to at least 18 which is both surprising and shows some foresight on the part of the conference. Or am I misinterpreting this and 16 was going to be the max with two of ND, PSU, Purdue, and NW?

As for the conference not finding out until late in the game that Maryland was playing a "double game" with intent on leaving the conference, well that is on the conference in my eyes. Institutions in the league knew Maryland (and Rutgers) were potential high profile expansion candidates for expansion beyond 12 when it became obvious by late Spring of 2010 only Nebraska was willing to bite of the four desired candidates. Wasn't there even some exploratory reach out to other high profile ACC institutions by the Big Ten at that time as well? If yes, then they had to know some of the tactics the Big Ten was using to "persuade" any potential members to leave the conference. These tactics no doubt included playing up academics, the CIC, the BTN with "more $$$ than God" as one Big Ten official proclaimed.

Conference officials also had to know about Maryland's $$$ issues and that the Big Ten would appear to be an "easy fix" to them. But just as many Big East officials and conference mates were "shocked" to see Syracuse accept the ACC bid in 2011, I suppose the same was true of ACC officials in regards to Maryland. Ultimately though they only have themselves to blame if they extended a whole lot of trust and faith in Maryland by that time since the writing was on the wall for many who were not as near to the situation as they were.

Thanks again for the info. Learned some new interesting stuff.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-27-2018 07:58 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  Thanks Statefan. The ACC's interest in ND and PSU is well known and goes a long ways back. ND itself has rarely ever shown any interest in being in a conference specifically because it has PSU as a member so that part of the info seems suspect to me. ACC wanting ND and ACC wanting PSU is only logical as I have stated in several posts over the years on this board and others, but if the ACC truly thought having PSU was somehow a key to getting ND to join full-time demonstrates to me that even by the early 2010's their understanding of the Irish is questionable at best. Not as bad as believing ND would join a fully southern conference ACC back in 2003, but still not good.

Now it is true that ND and PSU did play each other a lot in the 80s and early 90s (12 of the 19 times they played happened then) when both were independents so I could see Corrigan perhaps believing there might be some connection there at that time but having talked with others who are familiar with both ND and PSU, I am under the impression there has never been much between them - including discussions around what teams they would want in a conference if they did form a northeastern conference. The fact that JoePa never mentions wanting an independent ND as part of his efforts to form a northeastern conference but did mention Maryland a founding and current member of the ACC back then as a possibility speaks volumes to me as it should have to ACC officials as well.

Now I have been told from people familiar with both sides that when ND considered the Big Ten sometime in late 2003 or early 2004 after they had ended negotiations with the ACC and were once again considering the Big Ten on the quiet (these talks I am told were actually initiated by the Irish, not the Big Ten) the Irish voiced the same concerns about joining the Big Ten they had back in 1999 and asked for permission to speak with PSU about their assimilation into the conference. Whatever JoePa said wasn't good, or at least surprised ND, because the "quiet" talks ended quickly after that.

By 2010 though JoePa seemed to have mellowed and was looking for any expansion beyond the Midwest so Delany's original plan of expanding with one to three of Texas, TAMU, ND, and Nebraska sounded good to him. Some say he simply wanted a "voting block" outside of the 10 to help persuade things to go in a different direction if need be. Also, if I am recalling correctly it was in 2011 there was the infamous leaked story with anonymous Big Ten officials questioning PSU's overall value to the league, no doubt in response to JoePa pushing for more eastern expansion. So when the ACC expanded with SU and Pitt joining them with Maryland and BC I could see Penn State at least getting "roving eyes" as Alvarez said. Which in turn got my hopes up that even with the BTN there was a slight chance PSU might join the ACC.

I assume that the NW and Purdue stuff was separate and distinct from the PSU side of the equation and more perhaps some misguided idea of what ND might want to join fully. But this would definitely seem to indicate that even the ACC had gotten to the point of considering expansion to at least 18 which is both surprising and shows some foresight on the part of the conference. Or am I misinterpreting this and 16 was going to be the max with two of ND, PSU, Purdue, and NW?

As for the conference not finding out until late in the game that Maryland was playing a "double game" with intent on leaving the conference, well that is on the conference in my eyes. Institutions in the league knew Maryland (and Rutgers) were potential high profile expansion candidates for expansion beyond 12 when it became obvious by late Spring of 2010 only Nebraska was willing to bite of the four desired candidates. Wasn't there even some exploratory reach out to other high profile ACC institutions by the Big Ten at that time as well? If yes, then they had to know some of the tactics the Big Ten was using to "persuade" any potential members to leave the conference. These tactics no doubt included playing up academics, the CIC, the BTN with "more $$$ than God" as one Big Ten official proclaimed.

Conference officials also had to know about Maryland's $$$ issues and that the Big Ten would appear to be an "easy fix" to them. But just as many Big East officials and conference mates were "shocked" to see Syracuse accept the ACC bid in 2011, I suppose the same was true of ACC officials in regards to Maryland. Ultimately though they only have themselves to blame if they extended a whole lot of trust and faith in Maryland by that time since the writing was on the wall for many who were not as near to the situation as they were.

Thanks again for the info. Learned some new interesting stuff.

Cheers,
Neil

In the end, I’m delighted that the B10 took Maryland and its dysfunctional athletic department and athletic culture off our hands.

BTW, I don’t have to think too hard to figure out what started the Terps on the road to leaving the ACC. It was a series of devastating losses in basketball to Duke in 2001. In the game at Cole Field House, Duke came back from a 10 point deficit in the last minute and won in OT. This included Jason (now known as Jay) Williams, hitting a 3, stealing the inbounds pass and immediately hitting another 3 on which he was fouled. He made the FT. That’s 7 points in something like 3 seconds. Then there was an incredible Duke comeback to overcome a 22 point deficit to Maryland in the national semifinal game in 2001. These and other Maryland losses (and occasional wins) led to rioting at Maryland and I do mean rioting with significant injuries and property damage. Maryland was widely criticized at the time but reacted in a ridiculously self righteous way. As an example of how badly out of whack things had gotten, immediately after the Terps had a rare win at Cameron their whole team rushed to center court and proceeded to stomp on the Duke logo. I’ve never seen or heard of such a thing from any other team.
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Interestingly, I learned watching an interview with Northwestern's athletic director, that Northwestern at one time was interested in joining the Ivy League. The Wildcats couldn't compete in the B1G due to the lack of funds (a problem that has somewhat been rectified with Big Ten Network income).
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Maryland's internal problems are probably older than most on this board. Losing graduate programs to Baltimore in 1970 hurt their future athletic donation stream. The committed the equivalent of suicide when Len Bias died and gutted the athletic department firing Lefty and replacing him with Bob Wade and then refusing to support Bobby Ross so he left for GT. At the same time the athletic department was committed by the administration of the school to fully funding Title IX despite the fact that MD did not have a graduate profile to match UVa's or UNC's needed to bankroll such spending. There is anecdotal evidence that the losses to Duke in basketball and to West Va in football were used by Kirwan to sell his desire to move MD to the Big 10. Some say MD's athletic program was purposely starved. Changing tastes and more competition in the market also hurt MD. IIRC it has only been since MD joined the Big 10 that the school administration began sending some money back to the athletic programs. MD's problems run hand in hand with Brit Kirwan. Learn more about him and you will understand Maryland's problems much better.
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(12-27-2018 11:55 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Maryland's internal problems are probably older than most on this board. Losing graduate programs to Baltimore in 1970 hurt their future athletic donation stream. The committed the equivalent of suicide when Len Bias died and gutted the athletic department firing Lefty and replacing him with Bob Wade and then refusing to support Bobby Ross so he left for GT. At the same time the athletic department was committed by the administration of the school to fully funding Title IX despite the fact that MD did not have a graduate profile to match UVa's or UNC's needed to bankroll such spending. There is anecdotal evidence that the losses to Duke in basketball and to West Va in football were used by Kirwan to sell his desire to move MD to the Big 10. Some say MD's athletic program was purposely starved. Changing tastes and more competition in the market also hurt MD. IIRC it has only been since MD joined the Big 10 that the school administration began sending some money back to the athletic programs. MD's problems run hand in hand with Brit Kirwan. Learn more about him and you will understand Maryland's problems much better.

There's no doubt that Len Bias' death had profound effects on Maryland's athletic programs that are still being felt. For those who weren't around at the time, I can tell you that Bias' death remains, without doubt, the most stunning event in the entire history of the ACC.
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(12-28-2018 09:33 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  
(12-27-2018 11:55 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Maryland's internal problems are probably older than most on this board. Losing graduate programs to Baltimore in 1970 hurt their future athletic donation stream. The committed the equivalent of suicide when Len Bias died and gutted the athletic department firing Lefty and replacing him with Bob Wade and then refusing to support Bobby Ross so he left for GT. At the same time the athletic department was committed by the administration of the school to fully funding Title IX despite the fact that MD did not have a graduate profile to match UVa's or UNC's needed to bankroll such spending. There is anecdotal evidence that the losses to Duke in basketball and to West Va in football were used by Kirwan to sell his desire to move MD to the Big 10. Some say MD's athletic program was purposely starved. Changing tastes and more competition in the market also hurt MD. IIRC it has only been since MD joined the Big 10 that the school administration began sending some money back to the athletic programs. MD's problems run hand in hand with Brit Kirwan. Learn more about him and you will understand Maryland's problems much better.

There's no doubt that Len Bias' death had profound effects on Maryland's athletic programs that are still being felt. For those who weren't around at the time, I can tell you that Bias' death remains, without doubt, the most stunning event in the entire history of the ACC.

I was in the Dean Dome sandwiched between two Carolina girls the night Bias exploded. The way he used Steve Hale's face for a dribble was amazing. The first college game I attended was an NC State ball game with David Thompson, Burleson, and Towe. What Thompson could do in warm up was amazing (the dunk was illegal then). I never anticipated seeing anyone that much better than everyone else but Bias was close, damn close.


The entire Carolina campus was stunned at the news. We knew everyone's players better than we do today and you knew all leagues stars even if that bastards played for Duke, Carolina, etc.



All of it played into the hands of the anti-college sports crowd at MD.
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(12-27-2018 11:55 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Maryland's internal problems are probably older than most on this board. Losing graduate programs to Baltimore in 1970 hurt their future athletic donation stream. The committed the equivalent of suicide when Len Bias died and gutted the athletic department firing Lefty and replacing him with Bob Wade and then refusing to support Bobby Ross so he left for GT. At the same time the athletic department was committed by the administration of the school to fully funding Title IX despite the fact that MD did not have a graduate profile to match UVa's or UNC's needed to bankroll such spending. There is anecdotal evidence that the losses to Duke in basketball and to West Va in football were used by Kirwan to sell his desire to move MD to the Big 10. Some say MD's athletic program was purposely starved. Changing tastes and more competition in the market also hurt MD. IIRC it has only been since MD joined the Big 10 that the school administration began sending some money back to the athletic programs. MD's problems run hand in hand with Brit Kirwan. Learn more about him and you will understand Maryland's problems much better.


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That time period is right in my wheelhouse LP4. Graduated from Carolina in 1971.
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Interesting how often the real problems lie with just two people: the AD and the President. And yet they're among the last people to get pitchforked for athletic malfeasance.

It's been obvious to me GT problem #1 and #2 are a horrific AD and a President that just doesn't care, to the point that he allowed a booster (McCamish, namesake of the new basketball arena) to select the AD all by himself. Mr. Basketball Moneybucks chose Mike Bobinski ... which had never even sniffed being in charge of an athletic department where football drives the bus and where marketing is a serious part of the job. He imploded as AD catastrophically. Now the stars appear to be aligning on North Avenue though. The high profile ethics arrests not just in the athletic department but high up in academics too has suddenly made President Bud Peterson give a damn a whole lot more about everything beyond the latest issue of USN&WR. The new AD has both a track record of success, fundraising, innovation, and was a letter winner in football to boot. The new coach brings the O'Leary band back together in Atlanta and overnight completely changes the image, recruiting, and unites the fanbase. The assistant hires so far are out of the park. Every one has been fantastic. The new HC will have AI2020 complete in his 2nd season. That will most importantly include $25m in new permanent endowment support and a new athletics center. That's both a literal new building and a completely new balance sheet in both short term (no more paying Paul Hewitt, no more paying Brian Gregory) and the long term ($25m in permanent endowment frees up money that would have to be used to cover that shortfall each year). While the basketball program looks doomed to 5 more years in the wilderness, it's football first in Atlanta. And so far every thing that needs to happen is happening. GT doesn't even wear Russell anymore. GT even has a radio flagship that is a proper high power FM station instead of a low power AM station.


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