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Who was worse for GS: BVG or Summers?
I am curious who you hated more. I know BVG was the most disliked but did Summers top him? BVG did away with a lot of tradition as well so that added to it from what I remember.
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RE: Who was worse for GS: BVG or Summers?
Summers was the worse coach, but BVG was worse for the program. Let’s make this the last time we speak of either of them.
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RE: Who was worse for GS: BVG or Summers?
Summers was a worse coach, but BVG was (and still is) just so arrogant while being awful that he's still the most hated I feel like.
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RE: Who was worse for GS: BVG or Summers?
BVG worse for the program but was a far better X's and O's guy. We were in most every game, something Summers cannot claim. BVG spoiled the season and really spoiled it for us recruiting wise. It was amazing how one bad season could linger, and it matured in 2009 when we were devoid of senior leadership. At least with Summers the damage was only to the W-L record. Recruiting hasn't been horrid, but at least we aren't in the same shape we were after the end of 2006.
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RE: Who was worse for GS: BVG or Summers?
I'd argue that Summers was worse for the program.

Mainly cause he was dumb enough to stick around for the second year instead of getting out when he knew he was in over his head.
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RE: Who was worse for GS: BVG or Summers?
The timing is a lot worse with Summers. We were 18-7 as an FBS team after two years and now we're two games over 0.500 (I think). The program is going to take a credibility hit when we're still pretty much a nubile FBS team.

That said, VanGorder without a doubt left his successor a more difficult situation than Summers did. When Hatcher took over for BVG we had paper-thin depth in the defensive secondary and no running backs.

The cupboard is far from bare right now, in spite of what some of our fans are saying. I don't doubt the roster and experience is there to win 8 games next year.
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RE: Who was worse for GS: BVG or Summers?
Well, we had back-to-back 2-9 seasons in 1936 and 1937, so the answer to the question is actually Crook Smith.
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RE: Who was worse for GS: BVG or Summers?
(11-27-2017 05:14 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  Well, we had back-to-back 2-9 seasons in 1936 and 1937, so the answer to the question is actually Crook Smith.

Crook Smith sounds like such a trustworthy winner, though.
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RE: Who was worse for GS: BVG or Summers?
(11-27-2017 05:17 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 05:14 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  Well, we had back-to-back 2-9 seasons in 1936 and 1937, so the answer to the question is actually Crook Smith.

Crook Smith sounds like such a trustworthy winner, though.

And Kidd Brewer sounds so innocent, yet he had an 18 month sentence for bid rigging.
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(11-27-2017 07:38 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 05:17 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 05:14 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  Well, we had back-to-back 2-9 seasons in 1936 and 1937, so the answer to the question is actually Crook Smith.

Crook Smith sounds like such a trustworthy winner, though.

And Kidd Brewer sounds so innocent, yet he had an 18 month sentence for bid rigging.

As far as I know, we're the only team in the country with a stadium named after a convicted felon.
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RE: Who was worse for GS: BVG or Summers?
(11-27-2017 09:33 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 07:38 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 05:17 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 05:14 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  Well, we had back-to-back 2-9 seasons in 1936 and 1937, so the answer to the question is actually Crook Smith.

Crook Smith sounds like such a trustworthy winner, though.

And Kidd Brewer sounds so innocent, yet he had an 18 month sentence for bid rigging.

As far as I know, we're the only team in the country with a stadium named after a convicted felon.
Troy was probably close to doing this.

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RE: Who was worse for GS: BVG or Summers?
Baker or TK is the question starting to be more important.
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RE: Who was worse for GS: BVG or Summers?
(11-28-2017 06:19 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  Baker or TK is the question starting to be more important.
Baker and it's not even close

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RE: Who was worse for GS: BVG or Summers?
(11-28-2017 06:27 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 06:19 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  Baker or TK is the question starting to be more important.
Baker and it's not even close

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Agree for now.
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RE: Who was worse for GS: BVG or Summers?
(11-28-2017 06:27 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 06:19 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  Baker or TK is the question starting to be more important.
Baker and it's not even close

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Totally agree...In college I once was invited to tag along with a guy who interviewed Sam Baker about the reasons behind why we "can't" move up to FBS...it was 30 minutes of pure garbage. The only good that came from the interview was that this guy didn't want to use his real name, and so Baker only knew him as, and repeatedly called him Rusty Shackleford. Even though people don't want to work with TK and a ton of people seem to hate him (at least from the rumors), he's financially gotten us in a much much better situation than when he first arrived. Some of that was from the move to FBS, but at least he was willing to make the jump unlike Baker.
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RE: Who was worse for GS: BVG or Summers?
Summers worse coach, BVG worse person.

Baker was a total yes-man and had no drive. He coasted to retirement and botched several buildings and playoffs (didn't like several of his coaching hires also). Baker really didn't do anything. Most of the improvements were forced on him and when we did do them they always had to be "scaled-back" because he only got funding from one booster and that was it.

TK is not very likeable, but has drive and I think is trying to make a name for himself and get a chance at a larger program before he retires. So I'm fine with him (a lot of the non personal complaints I can let slide because he was left with nothing much to work with )
11-29-2017 08:05 AM
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RE: Who was worse for GS: BVG or Summers?
(11-28-2017 06:19 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  Baker or TK is the question starting to be more important.

Not sure if serious.
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RE: Who was worse for GS: BVG or Summers?
Summers actually loved Georgia Southern which is probably why he stuck around for year two of the titanic.

BVG was a better coach but completely crapped on our traditions and the fans in general.
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RE: Who was worse for GS: BVG or Summers?
(11-29-2017 08:25 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 06:19 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  Baker or TK is the question starting to be more important.

Not sure if serious.

It will depend on this hire more than anything and I said is becoming the question. Trust me no more a Baker critic than me but both started out strong and following the same trend downwards after their first good hires.

Baker whether pressured or not made the PJ hire we got two NC's out of that. He handed to Sewak and that was ok he did have a .700+ winning record then we all know what happened.

TK hired Monken IIRC that was good then hired Fritz which got us the best transition in the since the Marshall rule changes now we all know what happened.....Some things would have happened with or without him as far as off the field Keel wanted the move to the FBS that is the only opinion that mattered.

Lets also not mention on his public twitter account having porn likes and did not take it down for weeks or how talked down to us and stating that being mad at being winless was us being disillusioned. The only thing he has been unfairly criticized about is the scheduling thing that has less to do with him and more to do with a bunch of other factors. If the rumors are correct that is being solved to an extent. He hides out when things are awful then wants all cameras on him when things turn around. Plus just shave it man you can only comb over so far.
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RE: Who was worse for GS: BVG or Summers?
(11-29-2017 08:40 AM)GaSouthern Wrote:  Summers actually loved Georgia Southern which is probably why he stuck around for year two of the titanic.

BVG was a better coach but completely crapped on our traditions and the fans in general.

As far as who was the better human it is not even a question. VanGonad is a horrible person Summers is about as good as it gets. Coaching is debatable.
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