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RE: Tyson Summers Fired
(10-23-2017 07:19 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(10-23-2017 06:42 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Houston will make about $450-475k @ JMU this year if he repeats. $375k is the base, plus all the usual benefits (cars, counrty club, etc).

He also has retention bonuses built in that kick in after this year. "If Houston stays at Madison for three seasons, he is entitled to a $75,000 bonus. After his fourth season, Houston would receive an additional $93,750, and if he completes the duration of his contract, he would receive another $81,250."

So, Houston's total package balloons out to about $550-$600k total with incentives over the next couple of years.

I mention this only to point out that he is compensated pretty well at JMU. If he continues crushing it at JMU, he will have multiple opportunities @ jobs higher up the pecking order. Nature of the beast.

Yes you are correct. Everyone is throwing around pretty lavish names right now and I keep saying that we’re working with a pretty limited budget. Tyson Summers’ base salary was 500k. Obviously he never saw any of his added incentives but I believe Fritz with his fully realized contract was making around 750k. Could we raise Mike Houston’s pay grade? Yes. Are we prepared to get into a bidding war with another school for him? Absolutely not.

Don't think we're going to be as cash-strapped as you think we are.

We apparently had the money to fire Summers last year and were considering doing it, but decided against it in the Troy game.

When we hired Brian VanGorder he was making the most a Georgia Southern coach ever did and that was with Mike Sewak having no job.

If Nebraska fires Mike Riley, the position at UCF is coming open and Summers might be able to get a six-figure job there an we only owe the difference between what he made here and what he makes there.
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(10-23-2017 06:42 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Houston will make about $450-475k @ JMU this year if he repeats. $375k is the base, plus all the usual benefits (cars, counrty club, etc).

He also has retention bonuses built in that kick in after this year. "If Houston stays at Madison for three seasons, he is entitled to a $75,000 bonus. After his fourth season, Houston would receive an additional $93,750, and if he completes the duration of his contract, he would receive another $81,250."

So, Houston's total package balloons out to about $550-$600k total with incentives over the next couple of years.

I mention this only to point out that he is compensated pretty well at JMU. If he continues crushing it at JMU, he will have multiple opportunities @ jobs higher up the pecking order. Nature of the beast.

He does what he is doing at any FBS school he will get a much better job as well. Its also the nature of the beast. Fritz is likely not even a candidate for Tulane if he stayed and Sam Houston. We can also out pay you in basic pay and incentives as Tyson Summers made 600K last year not winning a thing. We offered Fritz 700K and that did not include bonuses he could have earned. JMU is probably the highest of all of the FCS we can get to 1M fast with a winning coach. FCS has a ceiling I can tell you from experience.

JMU is good but you are not FBS that matters to less educated fan bases and AD's. I get it since I have been a fan of I-AA / FCS but I will go ahead an tell you looking back it is a huge difference and most folks will never get what the FCS is. I know a few have gotten BCS / P5 jobs from I-AA but I dont no of any recent ones. Donnan at uga but Marshall was killing it with I-A players in I-AA and caused the rule changes.
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(10-23-2017 07:19 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(10-23-2017 06:42 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Houston will make about $450-475k @ JMU this year if he repeats. $375k is the base, plus all the usual benefits (cars, counrty club, etc).

He also has retention bonuses built in that kick in after this year. "If Houston stays at Madison for three seasons, he is entitled to a $75,000 bonus. After his fourth season, Houston would receive an additional $93,750, and if he completes the duration of his contract, he would receive another $81,250."

So, Houston's total package balloons out to about $550-$600k total with incentives over the next couple of years.

I mention this only to point out that he is compensated pretty well at JMU. If he continues crushing it at JMU, he will have multiple opportunities @ jobs higher up the pecking order. Nature of the beast.

Yes you are correct. Everyone is throwing around pretty lavish names right now and I keep saying that we’re working with a pretty limited budget. Tyson Summers’ base salary was 500k. Obviously he never saw any of his added incentives but I believe Fritz with his fully realized contract was making around 750k. Could we raise Mike Houston’s pay grade? Yes. Are we prepared to get into a bidding war with another school for him? Absolutely not.

We can compete with about the bottom third of the FBS, I have no idea how you think we can offer Fritz 700K in basic salary and incentives and not compete with the other 25 or so teams in the FBS that pay less or close to and or every FCS team that cant match what Summers makes by just breathing. You are selling us way short and getting an FBS job in a talent rich state with great support way short. This isn't NMSU where you have to import your talent for other states and we are about to pass about 100 universities in size and get a about 2M bump in budget without lifting a finger.

http://coacheshotseat.com/CFBCoachesSalaries.htm
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(10-23-2017 10:07 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(10-23-2017 07:19 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(10-23-2017 06:42 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Houston will make about $450-475k @ JMU this year if he repeats. $375k is the base, plus all the usual benefits (cars, counrty club, etc).

He also has retention bonuses built in that kick in after this year. "If Houston stays at Madison for three seasons, he is entitled to a $75,000 bonus. After his fourth season, Houston would receive an additional $93,750, and if he completes the duration of his contract, he would receive another $81,250."

So, Houston's total package balloons out to about $550-$600k total with incentives over the next couple of years.

I mention this only to point out that he is compensated pretty well at JMU. If he continues crushing it at JMU, he will have multiple opportunities @ jobs higher up the pecking order. Nature of the beast.

Yes you are correct. Everyone is throwing around pretty lavish names right now and I keep saying that we’re working with a pretty limited budget. Tyson Summers’ base salary was 500k. Obviously he never saw any of his added incentives but I believe Fritz with his fully realized contract was making around 750k. Could we raise Mike Houston’s pay grade? Yes. Are we prepared to get into a bidding war with another school for him? Absolutely not.

We can compete with about the bottom third of the FBS, I have no idea how you think we can offer Fritz 700K in basic salary and incentives and not compete with the other 25 or so teams in the FBS that pay less or close to and or every FCS team that cant match what Summers makes by just breathing. You are selling us way short and getting an FBS job in a talent rich state with great support way short. This isn't NMSU where you have to import your talent for other states and we are about to pass about 100 universities in size and get a about 2M bump in budget without lifting a finger.

http://coacheshotseat.com/CFBCoachesSalaries.htm

I never said we couldn’t compete with the bottom third of the FBS. We definitely can however if we really are going after Mike Houston it’s the top 2/3 that we have to worry about if they are also going after him. There are a few schools that will also be looking for a proven head coach come December that we can’t outbid.
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(10-23-2017 10:07 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(10-23-2017 07:19 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(10-23-2017 06:42 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Houston will make about $450-475k @ JMU this year if he repeats. $375k is the base, plus all the usual benefits (cars, counrty club, etc).

He also has retention bonuses built in that kick in after this year. "If Houston stays at Madison for three seasons, he is entitled to a $75,000 bonus. After his fourth season, Houston would receive an additional $93,750, and if he completes the duration of his contract, he would receive another $81,250."

So, Houston's total package balloons out to about $550-$600k total with incentives over the next couple of years.

I mention this only to point out that he is compensated pretty well at JMU. If he continues crushing it at JMU, he will have multiple opportunities @ jobs higher up the pecking order. Nature of the beast.

Yes you are correct. Everyone is throwing around pretty lavish names right now and I keep saying that we’re working with a pretty limited budget. Tyson Summers’ base salary was 500k. Obviously he never saw any of his added incentives but I believe Fritz with his fully realized contract was making around 750k. Could we raise Mike Houston’s pay grade? Yes. Are we prepared to get into a bidding war with another school for him? Absolutely not.

We can compete with about the bottom third of the FBS, I have no idea how you think we can offer Fritz 700K in basic salary and incentives and not compete with the other 25 or so teams in the FBS that pay less and or every FCS team that cant match what Summers makes by just breathing. You are selling us way short and getting an FBS job in a talent rich state with great support way short. This isn't NMSU where you have to import your talent for other states and we are about to pass about 100 universities in size and get a about 2M bump in budget without lifting a finger.

http://coacheshotseat.com/CFBCoachesSalaries.htm

Yeah I’m not worried about a bidding war with JMU if he’s our guy. I will however move on if someone like ECU wants him. We won’t be offering a million a year for anyone outright. I like JSUs coach also personally. Grass doesn’t run option in terms of flex or anything, but he’s a proven winner, and at this point that’s the priority. I think his whole JUCO problem can be solved with a better recruiting coordinator.
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(10-23-2017 10:00 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(10-23-2017 06:42 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Houston will make about $450-475k @ JMU this year if he repeats. $375k is the base, plus all the usual benefits (cars, counrty club, etc).

He also has retention bonuses built in that kick in after this year. "If Houston stays at Madison for three seasons, he is entitled to a $75,000 bonus. After his fourth season, Houston would receive an additional $93,750, and if he completes the duration of his contract, he would receive another $81,250."

So, Houston's total package balloons out to about $550-$600k total with incentives over the next couple of years.

I mention this only to point out that he is compensated pretty well at JMU. If he continues crushing it at JMU, he will have multiple opportunities @ jobs higher up the pecking order. Nature of the beast.

He does what he is doing at any FBS school he will get a much better job as well. Its also the nature of the beast. Fritz is likely not even a candidate for Tulane if he stayed and Sam Houston. We can also out pay you in basic pay and incentives as Tyson Summers made 600K last year not winning a thing. We offered Fritz 700K and that did not include bonuses he could have earned. JMU is probably the highest of all of the FCS we can get to 1M fast with a winning coach. FCS has a ceiling I can tell you from experience.

JMU is good but you are not FBS that matters to less educated fan bases and AD's. I get it since I have been a fan of I-AA / FCS but I will go ahead an tell you looking back it is a huge difference and most folks will never get what the FCS is. I know a few have gotten BCS / P5 jobs from I-AA but I dont no of any recent ones. Donnan at uga but Marshall was killing it with I-A players in I-AA and caused the rule changes.

Nothing you said is wrong.

But I will add that Houston likes Harrisonburg and has what he feels is the top FCS job in the country. He is paid handsomely and has said that he doesn't want to keep moving his family around. He has the facilities and the support to dominate in FCS.

I'm not sure he is going to jump at a lower end G5 job like Withers did. That's not a shot at GSU.

We'll see. He very well may move on after this season, but I just doubt it will be to an SBC program not named App.
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(10-23-2017 10:07 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(10-23-2017 07:19 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(10-23-2017 06:42 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Houston will make about $450-475k @ JMU this year if he repeats. $375k is the base, plus all the usual benefits (cars, counrty club, etc).

He also has retention bonuses built in that kick in after this year. "If Houston stays at Madison for three seasons, he is entitled to a $75,000 bonus. After his fourth season, Houston would receive an additional $93,750, and if he completes the duration of his contract, he would receive another $81,250."

So, Houston's total package balloons out to about $550-$600k total with incentives over the next couple of years.

I mention this only to point out that he is compensated pretty well at JMU. If he continues crushing it at JMU, he will have multiple opportunities @ jobs higher up the pecking order. Nature of the beast.

Yes you are correct. Everyone is throwing around pretty lavish names right now and I keep saying that we’re working with a pretty limited budget. Tyson Summers’ base salary was 500k. Obviously he never saw any of his added incentives but I believe Fritz with his fully realized contract was making around 750k. Could we raise Mike Houston’s pay grade? Yes. Are we prepared to get into a bidding war with another school for him? Absolutely not.

We can compete with about the bottom third of the FBS, I have no idea how you think we can offer Fritz 700K in basic salary and incentives and not compete with the other 25 or so teams in the FBS that pay less or close to and or every FCS team that cant match what Summers makes by just breathing. You are selling us way short and getting an FBS job in a talent rich state with great support way short. This isn't NMSU where you have to import your talent for other states and we are about to pass about 100 universities in size and get a about 2M bump in budget without lifting a finger.

http://coacheshotseat.com/CFBCoachesSalaries.htm

My hunch about Houston is his next move will have to be a big one. He's got a young family that he has uprooted twice in 4 years and he's a down-to-earth community kind of guy that wants stability for his young kids. I think if he's going to do it again it's not to take a stepping stone position, especially if it's a long term project. No offense to Ga Southern, but I'm not sure even a few hundred thousand dollars is worth the time, inconvenience and risk to him. It may very well take $1mm+ to lure him away.

I think Houston will be looking to take lower-tier P5 within his regional comfort zone that has the promise to compete in its conference. Probably the only way he'd take a G5 is if it's a decent AAC program poised to do well, instead of a perennial basement dweller that hasn't historically committed the resources to compete. ECU is kinda straddling that line this year but they are definitely a school with resources and fanbase.
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Admittedly, there's probably not a lot that I like about you guys (GS). . . .

But I will say, I love that your school does not suffer losing coaches gladly
While TXST suffers losing coaches ad nauseum

Wish we had an Athletic Department (AD) that put a higher premium on Winning.

Good luck with your HC search . . . 04-bow
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(10-23-2017 12:10 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(10-22-2017 10:05 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Unfortunately, I think Houston will be making more than what Ga Southern will be willing to pay.

Jobs likely coming open
Nebraska
Arkansas
Tennessee
Missouri

Coaches that may move from P5 to bigger P5
Dino Babers
Dave Clawson

G5 Coaches likely moving to P5
Frost at UCF
Norvell Memphis

Houston will probably be a hot name for one of these openings after coaches are lured away. I think if Clawson is taken from Wake, look for Houston to be a top candidate.

The Kennasaw Coach looks like the best option from what I read from the article. Hope you all get a good hire, you all deserve it.

Have you seen Brett Bielema's buyout?

Arkansas is stuck with him for a very long time. A Long, joyous occasion for those of us on the opposite end of the state who take pride in their failure.

You know not what you speak of. Bielima’s buyout is $5.9 million, not the $15 million originally reported. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s let go after the season. If he’s not, it’s not because of a buyout, but rather Long’s stubbornness. I really do hope they keep him another year though.
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(10-23-2017 10:24 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  Admittedly, there's probably not a lot that I like about you guys (GS). . . .

But I will say, I love that your school does not suffer losing coaches gladly
While TXST suffers losing coaches ad nauseum

Wish we had an Athletic Department (AD) that put a higher premium on Winning.

Good luck with your HC search . . . 04-bow

This is going to come out wrong, but no disrespect intended. Ga Southern and App State have a long history of winning programs in D1. When they hire a coach that can't compete they're not reaching the standard they have set and are committed to.

Texas State doesn't seem to have that history so you're going to have to be more patient and find a coach that can turn your program into a winner. Withers has his strengths for helping to build a program but not as a head coach. You guys need to just find a talented rising star and give him the 5-10 years it's going to take to turn things around. Otherwise you may have to compromise your integrity a little and opt for a downtrodden/disgraced P5 coach that's looking for a place to rebound (Strong, Pelini, etc).

Either way, you're not going to attract coaches to a place they may view as historically bad if you keep giving the yank after a couple of years.
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(10-23-2017 10:16 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(10-23-2017 10:07 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(10-23-2017 07:19 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(10-23-2017 06:42 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Houston will make about $450-475k @ JMU this year if he repeats. $375k is the base, plus all the usual benefits (cars, counrty club, etc).

He also has retention bonuses built in that kick in after this year. "If Houston stays at Madison for three seasons, he is entitled to a $75,000 bonus. After his fourth season, Houston would receive an additional $93,750, and if he completes the duration of his contract, he would receive another $81,250."

So, Houston's total package balloons out to about $550-$600k total with incentives over the next couple of years.

I mention this only to point out that he is compensated pretty well at JMU. If he continues crushing it at JMU, he will have multiple opportunities @ jobs higher up the pecking order. Nature of the beast.

Yes you are correct. Everyone is throwing around pretty lavish names right now and I keep saying that we’re working with a pretty limited budget. Tyson Summers’ base salary was 500k. Obviously he never saw any of his added incentives but I believe Fritz with his fully realized contract was making around 750k. Could we raise Mike Houston’s pay grade? Yes. Are we prepared to get into a bidding war with another school for him? Absolutely not.

We can compete with about the bottom third of the FBS, I have no idea how you think we can offer Fritz 700K in basic salary and incentives and not compete with the other 25 or so teams in the FBS that pay less or close to and or every FCS team that cant match what Summers makes by just breathing. You are selling us way short and getting an FBS job in a talent rich state with great support way short. This isn't NMSU where you have to import your talent for other states and we are about to pass about 100 universities in size and get a about 2M bump in budget without lifting a finger.

http://coacheshotseat.com/CFBCoachesSalaries.htm

I never said we couldn’t compete with the bottom third of the FBS. We definitely can however if we really are going after Mike Houston it’s the top 2/3 that we have to worry about if they are also going after him. There are a few schools that will also be looking for a proven head coach come December that we can’t outbid.

We will see but not one new hire last year came from the FCS only two the year before. Ironically the year before JMU's highly successful coach got poached by a Sun Belt team and the only other FCS HC was also taken by a Sun Belt team.

People are enamored with the P5 label attached to any coach as most the hires go that way for the G5 and P5's take from the G5 HC ranks or high level P5 coord almost exclusively. I mean if he worked for Saban greatness just rubs off right?
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(10-23-2017 10:38 AM)2Buck Wrote:  
(10-23-2017 10:24 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  Admittedly, there's probably not a lot that I like about you guys (GS). . . .

But I will say, I love that your school does not suffer losing coaches gladly
While TXST suffers losing coaches ad nauseum

Wish we had an Athletic Department (AD) that put a higher premium on Winning.

Good luck with your HC search . . . 04-bow

This is going to come out wrong, but no disrespect intended. Ga Southern and App State have a long history of winning programs in D1. When they hire a coach that can't compete they're not reaching the standard they have set and are committed to.

Texas State doesn't seem to have that history so you're going to have to be more patient and find a coach that can turn your program into a winner. Withers has his strengths for helping to build a program but not as a head coach. You guys need to just find a talented rising star and give him the 5-10 years it's going to take to turn things around. Otherwise you may have to compromise your integrity a little and opt for a downtrodden/disgraced P5 coach that's looking for a place to rebound (Strong, Pelini, etc).

Either way, you're not going to attract coaches to a place they may view as historically bad if you keep giving the yank after a couple of years.

Agreed App St and GS have history, tradition and a solid foundation to be able to fire a coach quickly. If we are a start up program you give a coach a longer leash. At our worst total program wise we are still better way more stable than most relatively recent move ups from the FCS.

I am not putting past our AD to F up this next hire at all though, I have learned politics may play a bigger part than I wanted to believe. Some of the names out there scare the heck out of me.
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Ga Southern should hire Kenny Edenfield.

Please hire Kenny Edenfield.
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Ah! GS coaching search season.
The time of the year when the rest of us read the list of coaching search names and go,....
"Never heard of him. <types name into google> Ok. Paul Johnson's nephew."
Next one, never heard of him. <types name into google> Ah. Ok. Paul Johnson's waterboy in the 90's.
Next, "Never heard of him <types name into google> Says under his wiki, he runs something called FlexWing Triple Option Spread at Western Southern Carolina in FCS."...and so on and so on.
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(10-23-2017 11:09 AM)ApexRedWolf Wrote:  Ah! GS coaching search season.
The time of the year when the rest of us read the list of coaching search names and go,....
"Never heard of him. <types name into google> Ok. Paul Johnson's nephew."
Next one, never heard of him. <types name into google> Ah. Ok. Paul Johnson's waterboy in the 90's.
Next, "Never heard of him <types name into google> Says under his wiki, he runs something called FlexWing Triple Option Spread at Western Southern Carolina in FCS."...and so on and so on.

I spit out my drink at “Paul Johnson’s Water boy in the 90’s” it’s so accurate 03-lmfao
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(10-22-2017 03:04 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(10-22-2017 02:57 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  Has Mark Speir ever shown interest or been considered? I would likely not be conducive to your TO addiction.

I would be fine with hiring him, though we would probably have to hit the transfer market to find a suitable QB (not always the most reliable place).

This is my wish list (in order).

1. Erk Russell
2. Erk Russell, Jr
3. Erk Russell, III
4. Paul Johnson
5. Any possible illegitimate seed of Erk Russell
6. Tie: Barry Switzer circa 1971 or any of Erk Russell’s grand- or great-grandchildren

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(10-23-2017 11:09 AM)ApexRedWolf Wrote:  Ah! GS coaching search season.
The time of the year when the rest of us read the list of coaching search names and go,....
"Never heard of him. <types name into google> Ok. Paul Johnson's nephew."
Next one, never heard of him. <types name into google> Ah. Ok. Paul Johnson's waterboy in the 90's.
Next, "Never heard of him <types name into google> Says under his wiki, he runs something called FlexWing Triple Option Spread at Western Southern Carolina in FCS."...and so on and so on.

I have a feeling our AD's short list is going to look like this:
Brent Pry (DC at Penn State, because our AD is a big fanboy)
Some guy no one has heard of, but hey, he coached at an SEC school under [insert big-name coach here]!!!
Some guy fired from a major Power 5 job (because that worked out so well for Bill Curry, Dennis Franchione, and Larry Coker)

I would be okay if there's not a single FBS coach on the list. Give me a winning head coach in a power FCS conference and he'll win in the G5 at Georgia Southern.
10-23-2017 11:51 AM
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RE: Tyson Summers Fired
(10-23-2017 11:51 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(10-23-2017 11:09 AM)ApexRedWolf Wrote:  Ah! GS coaching search season.
The time of the year when the rest of us read the list of coaching search names and go,....
"Never heard of him. <types name into google> Ok. Paul Johnson's nephew."
Next one, never heard of him. <types name into google> Ah. Ok. Paul Johnson's waterboy in the 90's.
Next, "Never heard of him <types name into google> Says under his wiki, he runs something called FlexWing Triple Option Spread at Western Southern Carolina in FCS."...and so on and so on.

I have a feeling our AD's short list is going to look like this:
Brent Pry (DC at Penn State, because our AD is a big fanboy)
Some guy no one has heard of, but hey, he coached at an SEC school under [insert big-name coach here]!!!
Some guy fired from a major Power 5 job (because that worked out so well for Bill Curry, Dennis Franchione, and Larry Coker)

I would be okay if there's not a single FBS coach on the list. Give me a winning head coach in a power FCS conference and he'll win in the G5 at Georgia Southern.

This. I dont know how you dont go with a proven HC after Fritz did then what Tyson did but TK has shown lately not to be to reliable, have the best judgement or trustworthy.

If I have to say "who" and or "why" on the next hire Ill check back in mid next year...I dont think now "who" and or "why" coach is going to be able to fix this mess. A Houston type bringing an entire staff can.
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RE: Tyson Summers Fired
(10-23-2017 10:38 AM)2Buck Wrote:  
(10-23-2017 10:24 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  Admittedly, there's probably not a lot that I like about you guys (GS). . . .

But I will say, I love that your school does not suffer losing coaches gladly
While TXST suffers losing coaches ad nauseum

Wish we had an Athletic Department (AD) that put a higher premium on Winning.

Good luck with your HC search . . . 04-bow

This is going to come out wrong, but no disrespect intended. Ga Southern and App State have a long history of winning programs in D1. When they hire a coach that can't compete they're not reaching the standard they have set and are committed to.

Texas State doesn't seem to have that history so you're going to have to be more patient and find a coach that can turn your program into a winner. Withers has his strengths for helping to build a program but not as a head coach. You guys need to just find a talented rising star and give him the 5-10 years it's going to take to turn things around. Otherwise you may have to compromise your integrity a little and opt for a downtrodden/disgraced P5 coach that's looking for a place to rebound (Strong, Pelini, etc).

Either way, you're not going to attract coaches to a place they may view as historically bad if you keep giving the yank after a couple of years.

So what you're saying we need to fire Withers after only 2 years and then hire a young unproven rising star and not fire him after 2 years if things stay bad even though we only gave Withers 2 years in this scenario?
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