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RE: Vegas Week 10
(11-02-2016 09:50 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  
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(10-31-2016 11:52 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Georgia State has a stout defense and Arkansas State's transition to a more traditional QB has generally looked at little more rough against tougher defenses. I think that this game will likely be similar to what State had to face with USA.


Meh. USA Didn't really stop us though. We passed the ball like 4 times in the entire 2nd half. We were up 17 points, knew they couldn't score 17 on our defense, so we just ran the ball the entire 2nd half to keep from turning the ball over and run clock.

In a sense, the same thing is possible here. If we get up a couple scores, we probably let the air out of it. But I'd argue we could have scored a lot more on USA had we not decided to play so conservatively.

ArkSt was actually pretty balanced in both halves. 8 passes and 28 runs in the first half, 5 passes and 26 runs in the second half. I think your coaching staff was wisely avoiding the USA secondary and playing strength against weakness in running against the Jags. GaSt is very good against the run and has a tough secondary. Luckily for ArkSt their QB seems to have improved steadily throughout the year.

54 runs and 13 passes over the course of a 60 minute game is balanced?

I think he was comparing halves not runs and passes.

Exactly. Thank you.
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(10-31-2016 07:33 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Meh. USA Didn't really stop us though. We passed the ball like 4 times in the entire 2nd half. We were up 17 points, knew they couldn't score 17 on our defense, so we just ran the ball the entire 2nd half to keep from turning the ball over and run clock.

In a sense, the same thing is possible here. If we get up a couple scores, we probably let the air out of it. But I'd argue we could have scored a lot more on USA had we not decided to play so conservatively.

I'm not buying this at all. No one sits on a 17 point lead at halftime, especially when your defense had been a sieve all year until that point. USA stormed back to beat Miss State earlier in the year after being down by a similar score, and your coach thought your defense was good enough at the time that it would be no big deal to get out of attack mode? Your run pass ratio was nearly identical in both havles. You actually ran less in the second half so your story really doesn't pan out. South simply shut down your offense in the second half. They have a Top 40 defense that's actually pretty good. They were #3 nationally in pass defense when we played them (#8 now). I imagine that's why you didn't throw the ball much.

Georgia State is 13th in pass defense and #8 pass efficiency defense so I imagine throwing the ball will be tough this weekend.
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RE: Vegas Week 10
(11-02-2016 11:18 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(10-31-2016 07:33 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Meh. USA Didn't really stop us though. We passed the ball like 4 times in the entire 2nd half. We were up 17 points, knew they couldn't score 17 on our defense, so we just ran the ball the entire 2nd half to keep from turning the ball over and run clock.

In a sense, the same thing is possible here. If we get up a couple scores, we probably let the air out of it. But I'd argue we could have scored a lot more on USA had we not decided to play so conservatively.

I'm not buying this at all. No one sits on a 17 point lead at halftime, especially when your defense had been a sieve all year until that point. USA stormed back to beat Miss State earlier in the year after being down by a similar score, and your coach thought your defense was good enough at the time that it would be no big deal to get out of attack mode? Your run pass ratio was nearly identical in both havles. South simply shut down your offense in the second half. They have a Top 40 defense that's actually pretty good. They were #3 nationally in pass defense when we played them (#8 now). I imagine that's why you didn't throw the ball much.

Georgia State is 13th in pass defense and #8 pass efficiency defense so I imagine throwing the ball will be tough this weekend.

Coach Anderson is a narrative machine. It's a wonder that A-State folks are still buying his spin.
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RE: Vegas Week 10
(11-02-2016 11:18 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(10-31-2016 07:33 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Meh. USA Didn't really stop us though. We passed the ball like 4 times in the entire 2nd half. We were up 17 points, knew they couldn't score 17 on our defense, so we just ran the ball the entire 2nd half to keep from turning the ball over and run clock.

In a sense, the same thing is possible here. If we get up a couple scores, we probably let the air out of it. But I'd argue we could have scored a lot more on USA had we not decided to play so conservatively.

I'm not buying this at all. No one sits on a 17 point lead at halftime, especially when your defense had been a sieve all year until that point. USA stormed back to beat Miss State earlier in the year after being down by a similar score, and your coach thought your defense was good enough at the time that it would be no big deal to get out of attack mode? Your run pass ratio was nearly identical in both havles. You actually ran less in the second half so your story really doesn't pan out. South simply shut down your offense in the second half. They have a Top 40 defense that's actually pretty good. They were #3 nationally in pass defense when we played them (#8 now). I imagine that's why you didn't throw the ball much.

Georgia State is 13th in pass defense and #8 pass efficiency defense so I imagine throwing the ball will be tough this weekend.

Could not have said this any better. Holding a team to 10 points offensively equates to stopping an offense in my book.
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RE: Vegas Week 10
(11-02-2016 11:28 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  
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(10-31-2016 07:33 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Meh. USA Didn't really stop us though. We passed the ball like 4 times in the entire 2nd half. We were up 17 points, knew they couldn't score 17 on our defense, so we just ran the ball the entire 2nd half to keep from turning the ball over and run clock.

In a sense, the same thing is possible here. If we get up a couple scores, we probably let the air out of it. But I'd argue we could have scored a lot more on USA had we not decided to play so conservatively.

I'm not buying this at all. No one sits on a 17 point lead at halftime, especially when your defense had been a sieve all year until that point. USA stormed back to beat Miss State earlier in the year after being down by a similar score, and your coach thought your defense was good enough at the time that it would be no big deal to get out of attack mode? Your run pass ratio was nearly identical in both havles. South simply shut down your offense in the second half. They have a Top 40 defense that's actually pretty good. They were #3 nationally in pass defense when we played them (#8 now). I imagine that's why you didn't throw the ball much.

Georgia State is 13th in pass defense and #8 pass efficiency defense so I imagine throwing the ball will be tough this weekend.

Coach Anderson is a narrative machine. It's a wonder that A-State folks are still buying his spin.
Think you meant false narrative, and for the most part I would say they are not anymore.

I can understand why people here don't really believe that this could possibly be a championship caliber team that will be very hard for any SBC team to beat. I'm really not sure any SBC team has the talent to beat them, unless they beat themselves.

Just hard to take a team that starts 0-4 seriously, as it was last years 1-3 start.

Even harder to except the fact that this team is a lot more talented than last years, despite the fact it is beginning to show on the field.
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RE: Vegas Week 10
(11-02-2016 12:47 PM)95jag Wrote:  
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(10-31-2016 07:33 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Meh. USA Didn't really stop us though. We passed the ball like 4 times in the entire 2nd half. We were up 17 points, knew they couldn't score 17 on our defense, so we just ran the ball the entire 2nd half to keep from turning the ball over and run clock.

In a sense, the same thing is possible here. If we get up a couple scores, we probably let the air out of it. But I'd argue we could have scored a lot more on USA had we not decided to play so conservatively.

I'm not buying this at all. No one sits on a 17 point lead at halftime, especially when your defense had been a sieve all year until that point. USA stormed back to beat Miss State earlier in the year after being down by a similar score, and your coach thought your defense was good enough at the time that it would be no big deal to get out of attack mode? Your run pass ratio was nearly identical in both havles. You actually ran less in the second half so your story really doesn't pan out. South simply shut down your offense in the second half. They have a Top 40 defense that's actually pretty good. They were #3 nationally in pass defense when we played them (#8 now). I imagine that's why you didn't throw the ball much.

Georgia State is 13th in pass defense and #8 pass efficiency defense so I imagine throwing the ball will be tough this weekend.

Could not have said this any better. Holding a team to 10 points offensively equates to stopping an offense in my book.

I didn't know there was a defensive TD in your game with ARKST. So we're looking at 297 yards and 10 points of offense. 14-0 at the half is what caused Anderson to "sit on the ball" the rest of the game.
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RE: Vegas Week 10
(11-02-2016 11:18 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(10-31-2016 07:33 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Meh. USA Didn't really stop us though. We passed the ball like 4 times in the entire 2nd half. We were up 17 points, knew they couldn't score 17 on our defense, so we just ran the ball the entire 2nd half to keep from turning the ball over and run clock.

In a sense, the same thing is possible here. If we get up a couple scores, we probably let the air out of it. But I'd argue we could have scored a lot more on USA had we not decided to play so conservatively.

I'm not buying this at all. No one sits on a 17 point lead at halftime, especially when your defense had been a sieve all year until that point. USA stormed back to beat Miss State earlier in the year after being down by a similar score, and your coach thought your defense was good enough at the time that it would be no big deal to get out of attack mode? Your run pass ratio was nearly identical in both havles. You actually ran less in the second half so your story really doesn't pan out. South simply shut down your offense in the second half. They have a Top 40 defense that's actually pretty good. They were #3 nationally in pass defense when we played them (#8 now). I imagine that's why you didn't throw the ball much.

Georgia State is 13th in pass defense and #8 pass efficiency defense so I imagine throwing the ball will be tough this weekend.

We pretty much sat on it. We had a bunch of 3rd and medium to 3rd and long situations in that game where we continued to run the ball. We ran less than 70 plays, which is impossible to believe considering how fast we play. Everybody in that stadium knew the game was locked at 17-0 pretty much. No way South scores 17 in a game against our D.

Everything says we took the air out of the ball. Fans actually complained openly about us playing that way because it made the game boring. We ran the play clock down to 1 almost every single snap. It may not look that way to some, but we voluntarily chose not to try and push for more points that game. I went back and checked the game log, we attempted 1 pass after we got up 17 points.

If that's not the very definition sitting on the lead, I don't know what is.
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(11-02-2016 02:15 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(11-02-2016 11:18 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(10-31-2016 07:33 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Meh. USA Didn't really stop us though. We passed the ball like 4 times in the entire 2nd half. We were up 17 points, knew they couldn't score 17 on our defense, so we just ran the ball the entire 2nd half to keep from turning the ball over and run clock.

In a sense, the same thing is possible here. If we get up a couple scores, we probably let the air out of it. But I'd argue we could have scored a lot more on USA had we not decided to play so conservatively.

I'm not buying this at all. No one sits on a 17 point lead at halftime, especially when your defense had been a sieve all year until that point. USA stormed back to beat Miss State earlier in the year after being down by a similar score, and your coach thought your defense was good enough at the time that it would be no big deal to get out of attack mode? Your run pass ratio was nearly identical in both havles. You actually ran less in the second half so your story really doesn't pan out. South simply shut down your offense in the second half. They have a Top 40 defense that's actually pretty good. They were #3 nationally in pass defense when we played them (#8 now). I imagine that's why you didn't throw the ball much.

Georgia State is 13th in pass defense and #8 pass efficiency defense so I imagine throwing the ball will be tough this weekend.

We pretty much sat on it. We had a bunch of 3rd and medium to 3rd and long situations in that game where we continued to run the ball. We ran less than 70 plays, which is impossible to believe considering how fast we play. Everybody in that stadium knew the game was locked at 17-0 pretty much. No way South scores 17 in a game against our D.

Everything says we took the air out of the ball. Fans actually complained openly about us playing that way because it made the game boring. We ran the play clock down to 1 almost every single snap. It may not look that way to some, but we voluntarily chose not to try and push for more points that game. I went back and checked the game log, we attempted 1 pass after we got up 17 points.

If that's not the very definition sitting on the lead, I don't know what is.

Ark St ran the ball 10 straight times to open the game and gained 60 yards, more than 20% of their entire game total yardage. In that drive they averaged 6 yards a carry and averaged under 3.3 the rest of the game, so it's not like they stuck with the run because it was so enormously successful. It's obvious the entire strategy was to run straight at USA to shorten the game, make sure ASU QB couldn't make mistakes to cost them a win, and hope the ASU defense could handle USA's backup QB (later replaced by the starter who had been out injured). I tip my hat to the ASU coaches because it worked, but it's not like they changed what they were doing when they got their lead. They stuck with it from the opening kick right up until the end. That's why there were so many defensive starters still in the game when USA scored their fourth quarter TD.
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(10-31-2016 11:00 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
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(10-30-2016 03:49 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  App -30.5, book this one early as the line will rise, App by as many as Satt allows, but wait Withers is an App alum, Texas St scores an Idaho type TD to cover.

Ole Miss -25 v. GS., again bet this early Ole Miss by 35

Troy -23 v. UMass, UMass scores enough to cover and Troy looking ahead, Troy by 17.

USA -12.5 @ ULM, does ULM have enough healthy players remaining to field a team? If you think USA scores 28, take 'em.

No line for Ark St., if its Ark St -10 or lower take them, GA St won't score over 14.

1) App 45 TxSt 21

2) Miss 39 Southern 19

3) TU 37 UMass 28

4) ULM 28 ULM 24

5) stAte 41 GaSt 25

Sorry to say I do believe ULM could lose that game. I am not so sure they could win it.

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ULM 28. USA 24
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(11-02-2016 12:48 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
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(10-31-2016 07:33 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Meh. USA Didn't really stop us though. We passed the ball like 4 times in the entire 2nd half. We were up 17 points, knew they couldn't score 17 on our defense, so we just ran the ball the entire 2nd half to keep from turning the ball over and run clock.

In a sense, the same thing is possible here. If we get up a couple scores, we probably let the air out of it. But I'd argue we could have scored a lot more on USA had we not decided to play so conservatively.

I'm not buying this at all. No one sits on a 17 point lead at halftime, especially when your defense had been a sieve all year until that point. USA stormed back to beat Miss State earlier in the year after being down by a similar score, and your coach thought your defense was good enough at the time that it would be no big deal to get out of attack mode? Your run pass ratio was nearly identical in both havles. South simply shut down your offense in the second half. They have a Top 40 defense that's actually pretty good. They were #3 nationally in pass defense when we played them (#8 now). I imagine that's why you didn't throw the ball much.

Georgia State is 13th in pass defense and #8 pass efficiency defense so I imagine throwing the ball will be tough this weekend.

Coach Anderson is a narrative machine. It's a wonder that A-State folks are still buying his spin.
Think you meant false narrative, and for the most part I would say they are not anymore.

I can understand why people here don't really believe that this could possibly be a championship caliber team that will be very hard for any SBC team to beat. I'm really not sure any SBC team has the talent to beat them, unless they beat themselves.

Just hard to take a team that starts 0-4 seriously, as it was last years 1-3 start.

Even harder to except the fact that this team is a lot more talented than last years, despite the fact it is beginning to show on the field.

By showing on the field do you mean beating two horrible and one bad Sun Belt team?
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(11-02-2016 05:46 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
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(10-31-2016 07:33 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Meh. USA Didn't really stop us though. We passed the ball like 4 times in the entire 2nd half. We were up 17 points, knew they couldn't score 17 on our defense, so we just ran the ball the entire 2nd half to keep from turning the ball over and run clock.

In a sense, the same thing is possible here. If we get up a couple scores, we probably let the air out of it. But I'd argue we could have scored a lot more on USA had we not decided to play so conservatively.

I'm not buying this at all. No one sits on a 17 point lead at halftime, especially when your defense had been a sieve all year until that point. USA stormed back to beat Miss State earlier in the year after being down by a similar score, and your coach thought your defense was good enough at the time that it would be no big deal to get out of attack mode? Your run pass ratio was nearly identical in both havles. South simply shut down your offense in the second half. They have a Top 40 defense that's actually pretty good. They were #3 nationally in pass defense when we played them (#8 now). I imagine that's why you didn't throw the ball much.

Georgia State is 13th in pass defense and #8 pass efficiency defense so I imagine throwing the ball will be tough this weekend.

Coach Anderson is a narrative machine. It's a wonder that A-State folks are still buying his spin.
Think you meant false narrative, and for the most part I would say they are not anymore.

I can understand why people here don't really believe that this could possibly be a championship caliber team that will be very hard for any SBC team to beat. I'm really not sure any SBC team has the talent to beat them, unless they beat themselves.

Just hard to take a team that starts 0-4 seriously, as it was last years 1-3 start.

Even harder to except the fact that this team is a lot more talented than last years, despite the fact it is beginning to show on the field.

By showing on the field do you mean beating two horrible and one bad Sun Belt team?
Not sure I totally agree with how you worded your question, but yes.

GaSo and USA are decent G5 teams,and beating GaSo with all the turnovers was impressive IMO, and they were in total control of USA in that game.

ULM had been very competitive against the other SBC teams they played.

I know for a fact A-State is the most talented SBC team, just like last year. I was just trying to point out that because the other SBC teams see 1-3, or 0-4 , they are probably going to find out the hard way that they don't match up with them in the talent department when they play..

Coaching, or more specifically preparation are where they tend to come up short at least early on, because their HC is, for lack of a better term, rather goofy in his approach to coaching. You almost get the impression that he does not like coaching at all.

Because of their talent, if they don't beat themselves, it is very unlikely that any SBC team will beat them.
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