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I get bored at games thanks to all the TV timeouts. They have slowed the pace of games way too much.
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(10-02-2016 01:57 PM)slycat Wrote:  I get bored at games thanks to all the TV timeouts. They have slowed the pace of games way too much.

Is this football season making anyone else horribly afraid of accidentally starting a forest fire?
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(10-02-2016 01:12 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(10-01-2016 11:00 PM)slycat Wrote:  App St - 24,782
Texas St - 22,845
USA - 14,741
Idaho - 13,392
NMSU - 8,142

This I guess is our new normal. Even after going 11-2 with a bowl victory in our first season of bowl eligibility, and even after getting to host a program like Miami, we can't get near 30,000 EXCEPT against someone like Miami. It's so weird that more people were going to see games against Elon, Furman, Wofford, and even Samford or NC A&T back around 2007-2011 than are going to see actual FBS schools hosted in Boone. Heck, our previous all-time attendance record came against Elon, not against anyone from the Sun Belt or a fellow G5 team.

I don't know why this is. I thought for a while maybe the drop in attendance was a response to declining performance in the early 2010's, bottoming out in 2013 and the first half of 2014. Sometimes a fanbase needs to time to buy back in. (I'm not making excuses, just saying that that's a pattern with a lot of schools.) Also, I thought for a while that declining attendance may have been in part a backlash against App for the less-than-pretty ending to legendary coach Jerry Moore's career.

But those things were several years ago now. I'm beginning to think that the decline in attendance is actually just part of a larger, national trend. Power 5 schools that used to always sell out don't anymore. College kids aren't necessarily into watching sports the way they were 15, 10, even 5 years ago, at least not as many of them. They leave at halftime whether App is up by a lot, down by a lot, or if the game is close.

Fellow App State fans, and fans of other Sun Belt schools, what do you think about our schools' struggles to draw large crowds even when we're good?

I don't think enough "blame" is being placed on the fact kickoff times are not determined until 10 days before Gameday. In FCS world, kick times were announced well in advance, often with the schedule release.

Personally, I think a longer lead time would result with bigger attendance #'s. A noon - 3:30 kick are very different than a kick later than 6pm.

For App, where a large portion of the fanbase comes from over 2 hours away to see a game this is a great unknown. The difference between a day trip vs. Hotel/cabin. A lot of folks aren't willing to make the commitment to attend a game without knowing their "all-in $'s".

TV coverage is great marketing for the University and the conference. I am just happy DG and his leadership team understands these other variables in play.
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(10-02-2016 01:32 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  
(10-02-2016 12:47 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(10-02-2016 01:12 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(10-01-2016 11:00 PM)slycat Wrote:  App St - 24,782
Texas St - 22,845
USA - 14,741
Idaho - 13,392
NMSU - 8,142

This I guess is our new normal. Even after going 11-2 with a bowl victory in our first season of bowl eligibility, and even after getting to host a program like Miami, we can't get near 30,000 EXCEPT against someone like Miami. It's so weird that more people were going to see games against Elon, Furman, Wofford, and even Samford or NC A&T back around 2007-2011 than are going to see actual FBS schools hosted in Boone. Heck, our previous all-time attendance record came against Elon, not against anyone from the Sun Belt or a fellow G5 team.

I don't know why this is. I thought for a while maybe the drop in attendance was a response to declining performance in the early 2010's, bottoming out in 2013 and the first half of 2014. Sometimes a fanbase needs to time to buy back in. (I'm not making excuses, just saying that that's a pattern with a lot of schools.) Also, I thought for a while that declining attendance may have been in part a backlash against App for the less-than-pretty ending to legendary coach Jerry Moore's career.

But those things were several years ago now. I'm beginning to think that the decline in attendance is actually just part of a larger, national trend. Power 5 schools that used to always sell out don't anymore. College kids aren't necessarily into watching sports the way they were 15, 10, even 5 years ago, at least not as many of them. They leave at halftime whether App is up by a lot, down by a lot, or if the game is close.

Fellow App State fans, and fans of other Sun Belt schools, what do you think about our schools' struggles to draw large crowds even when we're good?
Even the Miami crowd was more of a party crowd than football. Students started making noise when we were on offense and a lot of them left when we got down a couple of scores. I'm more upset aboutvthe number of students who leave at the half. Yesterday it was a 10-3 and students were flooding out of the gates. People were complaining about the noon start time but they didn't have an issue getting there last week. Hard to understand why people need that much drinking time.

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Uuhhh, cause you're in Boone. . . .

Okay San Marcos.
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IMO App fans showed their hand for Miami. People didn't stay in the lots until kickoff and students were lined up 100 yards 2 hours before the gates opened. A lot of "reasons" people use for not coming are merely excuses.

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(10-02-2016 03:21 PM)AppDawg Wrote:  
(10-02-2016 01:12 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(10-01-2016 11:00 PM)slycat Wrote:  App St - 24,782
Texas St - 22,845
USA - 14,741
Idaho - 13,392
NMSU - 8,142

This I guess is our new normal. Even after going 11-2 with a bowl victory in our first season of bowl eligibility, and even after getting to host a program like Miami, we can't get near 30,000 EXCEPT against someone like Miami. It's so weird that more people were going to see games against Elon, Furman, Wofford, and even Samford or NC A&T back around 2007-2011 than are going to see actual FBS schools hosted in Boone. Heck, our previous all-time attendance record came against Elon, not against anyone from the Sun Belt or a fellow G5 team.

I don't know why this is. I thought for a while maybe the drop in attendance was a response to declining performance in the early 2010's, bottoming out in 2013 and the first half of 2014. Sometimes a fanbase needs to time to buy back in. (I'm not making excuses, just saying that that's a pattern with a lot of schools.) Also, I thought for a while that declining attendance may have been in part a backlash against App for the less-than-pretty ending to legendary coach Jerry Moore's career.

But those things were several years ago now. I'm beginning to think that the decline in attendance is actually just part of a larger, national trend. Power 5 schools that used to always sell out don't anymore. College kids aren't necessarily into watching sports the way they were 15, 10, even 5 years ago, at least not as many of them. They leave at halftime whether App is up by a lot, down by a lot, or if the game is close.

Fellow App State fans, and fans of other Sun Belt schools, what do you think about our schools' struggles to draw large crowds even when we're good?

I don't think enough "blame" is being placed on the fact kickoff times are not determined until 10 days before Gameday. In FCS world, kick times were announced well in advance, often with the schedule release.

Personally, I think a longer lead time would result with bigger attendance #'s. A noon - 3:30 kick are very different than a kick later than 6pm.

For App, where a large portion of the fanbase comes from over 2 hours away to see a game this is a great unknown. The difference between a day trip vs. Hotel/cabin. A lot of folks aren't willing to make the commitment to attend a game without knowing their "all-in $'s".

TV coverage is great marketing for the University and the conference. I am just happy DG and his leadership team understands these other variables in play.

Great points. I had a hotel reservation for Friday PM in Lafayette because the game was at least tentatively listed for a 2 PM kickoff and just a few days before the game they changed it to 6 PM. That was the deal breaker because I had to be back home by Saturday evening to meet a deadline for my business. I tried to give my ticket away but I couldn't because it was too short notice for my friends and acquaintances I offered them to.

This is just one real-time example of how short notice kickoff time changes can negatively affect attendance.
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(10-02-2016 01:09 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  There were at least 22K there. And we could get on the students all day for leaving early, but are we just gonna ignore all the alumni that do the same?

If 22k were there then KBS has 28,000 seats not 24,150 with the temporary seating. I sit mid field, first row, upper level on the east Stands and watched the replay on ESPN3 last night. Both end sections of the student section were empty. The sections next to them maybe 3/4th full. Upper West Stands showing a lot of aluminum. Gold seats practically empty. North endzone seats not even half full. Lower level East Stands half full as was the upper level. Probably a few hunderd people on the bank.
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(10-02-2016 03:21 PM)AppDawg Wrote:  
(10-02-2016 01:12 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(10-01-2016 11:00 PM)slycat Wrote:  App St - 24,782
Texas St - 22,845
USA - 14,741
Idaho - 13,392
NMSU - 8,142

This I guess is our new normal. Even after going 11-2 with a bowl victory in our first season of bowl eligibility, and even after getting to host a program like Miami, we can't get near 30,000 EXCEPT against someone like Miami. It's so weird that more people were going to see games against Elon, Furman, Wofford, and even Samford or NC A&T back around 2007-2011 than are going to see actual FBS schools hosted in Boone. Heck, our previous all-time attendance record came against Elon, not against anyone from the Sun Belt or a fellow G5 team.

I don't know why this is. I thought for a while maybe the drop in attendance was a response to declining performance in the early 2010's, bottoming out in 2013 and the first half of 2014. Sometimes a fanbase needs to time to buy back in. (I'm not making excuses, just saying that that's a pattern with a lot of schools.) Also, I thought for a while that declining attendance may have been in part a backlash against App for the less-than-pretty ending to legendary coach Jerry Moore's career.

But those things were several years ago now. I'm beginning to think that the decline in attendance is actually just part of a larger, national trend. Power 5 schools that used to always sell out don't anymore. College kids aren't necessarily into watching sports the way they were 15, 10, even 5 years ago, at least not as many of them. They leave at halftime whether App is up by a lot, down by a lot, or if the game is close.

Fellow App State fans, and fans of other Sun Belt schools, what do you think about our schools' struggles to draw large crowds even when we're good?

I don't think enough "blame" is being placed on the fact kickoff times are not determined until 10 days before Gameday. In FCS world, kick times were announced well in advance, often with the schedule release.

Personally, I think a longer lead time would result with bigger attendance #'s. A noon - 3:30 kick are very different than a kick later than 6pm.

For App, where a large portion of the fanbase comes from over 2 hours away to see a game this is a great unknown. The difference between a day trip vs. Hotel/cabin. A lot of folks aren't willing to make the commitment to attend a game without knowing their "all-in $'s".

TV coverage is great marketing for the University and the conference. I am just happy DG and his leadership team understands these other variables in play.

All of those reasons plus the fact that every game is on TV of some form. For people that aren't diehards its easiers for them to justify not going when they can watch at home. TV is good for marketing the program to those outside the typical fan base, but it kills our attendance when its so easy to tune in.

Also, back at our peak the attendance was inflated by the craziness of Michigan, the NC's, and a legendary player in AE.
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OT ... But can't believe FIU vs FAU only drew 16k. I mean that's a rivalry game.


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(10-02-2016 08:15 PM)panama Wrote:  OT ... But can't believe FIU vs FAU only drew 16k. I mean that's a rivalry game.


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With either of those teams over 10,000 is bogus.
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(10-02-2016 09:24 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  I think y'all need to remember that not all students even care about football... hell nowadays it's probably a majority unless you're at a P5. I'm noticing this in the high school level too. Yes even in Texas where you hear about how high school ball is a religion and what not.

Ever see highlights from a 6a or 5a game? Nothing but seats everywhere. Obviously there are exceptiona but this is pretty common except for at schools in small towns where there is a bigger bond between the school and the community. But the school I teach at currently is a 4a D1 with about 900 in the high school. Me and one of the other coaches were discussing how small some of the student sections are at some of the schools we've played. Like some might have 1 or 2 hundred kids out of a the students that aren't in band of on the football team. So maybe 30% of the overall student body.

I went to a school that was 1a( now 2a) and you can probably count on your hands how many students aren't at the games. The kids have stronger relationships with the team so they want to come watch their friends play.

I know what you mean. Ive taught at a 3A and currently at a large 5A in Texas and I would say the student sections are about the same in percentage. The 3A remained constant regardless of the record. However, with the 5A, the student section numbers depend on if we are winning or not and just overall attendance at road games is directly related to the record as well from what Ive seen.
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I don't think TV, especially ESPN 3, affects attendance. If they are within driving distance and they stay home to watch the game then they probably weren't going to come anyway. I know for my group that with the exception of myself it's more about getting back to San Marcos and partying than it is about football. I go mostly for the game, the Square is just a bonus.

TV isn't for us few diehards. It's to expose our schools and teams to people scrolling through the channels. A lot of my students have been telling me that they've seen the Bobcats play on TV this year.
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(10-03-2016 09:44 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  I don't think TV, especially ESPN 3, affects attendance. If they are within driving distance and they stay home to watch the game then they probably weren't going to come anyway. I know for my group that with the exception of myself it's more about getting back to San Marcos and partying than it is about football. I go mostly for the game, the Square is just a bonus.

TV isn't for us few diehards. It's to expose our schools and teams to people scrolling through the channels. A lot of my students have been telling me that they've seen the Bobcats play on TV this year.

Of course, but they also didn't say they saw Texas or Texas A&M on TV because that is a no brainer. I often found that when people use to tell me they saw Troy on TV and I asked them what they thought about the game they would state that they didn't actually watch the game.

Attendance in a state like ours is always going to be iffy. We have Auburn and Alabama and you guys have Texas and Texas A&M and Houston? I don't know what Houston's attendance is but their stadium always looks packed on game day. If Auburn had a game at 11 and Troy did as well the student section was pathetic looking. If the Alabama game starts at 2 and the Troy game at 11 then at half all of the students are leaving and about half the remaining people are as well.

Even when Troy won five straight conference championships and were beating Missouri and Oklahoma State the attendance never rose over an average of 22,000 if I remember correctly. Unless you have a program like Boise, Houston, or TCU you're attendance is going to suffer. Especially when you share the state with much larger and more successful programs.

If Wyoming has a monster year maybe they can get to 22,000 as well.
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(10-03-2016 09:52 AM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  
(10-03-2016 09:44 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  I don't think TV, especially ESPN 3, affects attendance. If they are within driving distance and they stay home to watch the game then they probably weren't going to come anyway. I know for my group that with the exception of myself it's more about getting back to San Marcos and partying than it is about football. I go mostly for the game, the Square is just a bonus.

TV isn't for us few diehards. It's to expose our schools and teams to people scrolling through the channels. A lot of my students have been telling me that they've seen the Bobcats play on TV this year.

Of course, but they also didn't say they saw Texas or Texas A&M on TV because that is a no brainer. I often found that when people use to tell me they saw Troy on TV and I asked them what they thought about the game they would state that they didn't actually watch the game.

Attendance in a state like ours is always going to be iffy. We have Auburn and Alabama and you guys have Texas and Texas A&M and Houston? I don't know what Houston's attendance is but their stadium always looks packed on game day. If Auburn had a game at 11 and Troy did as well the student section was pathetic looking. If the Alabama game starts at 2 and the Troy game at 11 then at half all of the students are leaving and about half the remaining people are as well.

Even when Troy won five straight conference championships and were beating Missouri and Oklahoma State the attendance never rose over an average of 22,000 if I remember correctly. Unless you have a program like Boise, Houston, or TCU you're attendance is going to suffer. Especially when you share the state with much larger and more successful programs.

If Wyoming has a monster year maybe they can get to 22,000 as well.

One of my students asked me what I thought about our UH game. But watching or not, if they scroll through and see us on TV or even on the guide they're going to think we're "big time".

As far as the big fanbases go in Texas it's pretty much all 5 of our P5s have pretty big fanbases with UT, A&M, and Tech being the largest. Unfortunately for UH they're still not very well known to casual fans. When I asked one of my friends if she was going to the UH game the first thing she asked was "Are they any good?". I wish they could play UT or A&M and destroy them, then they'd gain a lot of fans lol.
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Being that I've been in the student section at App since 2011 and caught atleast one game in that section every year, I can tell you that this new group of kids only go to the game cause the last couple of classes told them to. They show up and have no clue whats going on, generally are so trashed they forget they are at a football game and are too busy trying to flirt. The inner core has some holdouts of true football fans but yea the quality of the App student section has greatly deteriorated since my Freshman year.
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(10-03-2016 04:05 PM)Check Yosef Wrote:  Being that I've been in the student section at App since 2011 and caught atleast one game in that section every year, I can tell you that this new group of kids only go to the game cause the last couple of classes told them to. They show up and have no clue whats going on, generally are so trashed they forget they are at a football game and are too busy trying to flirt. The inner core has some holdouts of true football fans but yea the quality of the App student section has greatly deteriorated since my Freshman year.


Oh, so the same as it was in '04, '05, '06, and '07. Gotcha.
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