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(07-20-2016 09:26 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  NMSU's AD sitting back today enjoying life.

I don't know how all this shakes out, but I'd bet NMSU never leaves SBC football.

NMSU making calls to Big 12 on behalf of Colorado State. Rams leave, good shot for the Aggies in the MWC.
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(07-19-2016 10:58 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 10:52 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 10:35 PM)prisonmike Wrote:  The reality is the Big 12 doesnt want to expand at all. Bc of the ACC GOR/Conf Network announcement the B12 feels like they have to make a move. If they add any teams it will only be 2. So how might this realistically affect the belt?

B12 adds 2 teams from AAC (or 1 AAC/BYU or 1 MWC/BYU)
AAC adds 2 teams from CUSA (or stays at 10)
CUSA stays at 12.
SBC stays at 10.

Done.

Agreed. I'm thinking Cincy and Memphis. AAC stays at 10, CUSA at 14, SBC at 10.

Only thing is if one school leaves the AAC instead of two, in which case the AAC will want to take one team. Heck maybe they'll take UMass and that'll be that, but maybe they'll take a CUSA school. That league won't want to stay at 13, so unless they add NMSU (highly unlikely) or JMU (also doubtful since they won't do FCOA), they'll go for a SBC school.

Well what SBC school besides TXST would want to leave? Maybe GaSt, but would it be worth dropping important rivalries and a possible increase in tv revenue just to be in a conference with UAB and FIU?


Would you all please stop this stupidity in acting as if anyone here wouldn't accept an invite? Let's just get this clear, if CUSA called ANY school's president here, NONE of them are saying no thanks. There is really no one here that has aspirations to be in the Sunbelt forever and the only way up is through CUSA. Stop fooling yourselves with this nonsense lol...seriously.
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(07-20-2016 09:26 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  NMSU's AD sitting back today enjoying life.

I don't know how all this shakes out, but I'd bet NMSU never leaves SBC football.

I hope so!
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(07-20-2016 11:15 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 10:58 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 10:52 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 10:35 PM)prisonmike Wrote:  The reality is the Big 12 doesnt want to expand at all. Bc of the ACC GOR/Conf Network announcement the B12 feels like they have to make a move. If they add any teams it will only be 2. So how might this realistically affect the belt?

B12 adds 2 teams from AAC (or 1 AAC/BYU or 1 MWC/BYU)
AAC adds 2 teams from CUSA (or stays at 10)
CUSA stays at 12.
SBC stays at 10.

Done.

Agreed. I'm thinking Cincy and Memphis. AAC stays at 10, CUSA at 14, SBC at 10.

Only thing is if one school leaves the AAC instead of two, in which case the AAC will want to take one team. Heck maybe they'll take UMass and that'll be that, but maybe they'll take a CUSA school. That league won't want to stay at 13, so unless they add NMSU (highly unlikely) or JMU (also doubtful since they won't do FCOA), they'll go for a SBC school.

Well what SBC school besides TXST would want to leave? Maybe GaSt, but would it be worth dropping important rivalries and a possible increase in tv revenue just to be in a conference with UAB and FIU?


Would you all please stop this stupidity in acting as if anyone here wouldn't accept an invite? Let's just get this clear, if CUSA called ANY school's president here, NONE of them are saying no thanks. There is really no one here that has aspirations to be in the Sunbelt forever and the only way up is through CUSA. Stop fooling yourselves with this nonsense lol...seriously.

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(07-20-2016 11:15 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 10:58 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 10:52 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 10:35 PM)prisonmike Wrote:  The reality is the Big 12 doesnt want to expand at all. Bc of the ACC GOR/Conf Network announcement the B12 feels like they have to make a move. If they add any teams it will only be 2. So how might this realistically affect the belt?

B12 adds 2 teams from AAC (or 1 AAC/BYU or 1 MWC/BYU)
AAC adds 2 teams from CUSA (or stays at 10)
CUSA stays at 12.
SBC stays at 10.

Done.

Agreed. I'm thinking Cincy and Memphis. AAC stays at 10, CUSA at 14, SBC at 10.

Only thing is if one school leaves the AAC instead of two, in which case the AAC will want to take one team. Heck maybe they'll take UMass and that'll be that, but maybe they'll take a CUSA school. That league won't want to stay at 13, so unless they add NMSU (highly unlikely) or JMU (also doubtful since they won't do FCOA), they'll go for a SBC school.

Well what SBC school besides TXST would want to leave? Maybe GaSt, but would it be worth dropping important rivalries and a possible increase in tv revenue just to be in a conference with UAB and FIU?


Would you all please stop this stupidity in acting as if anyone here wouldn't accept an invite? Let's just get this clear, if CUSA called ANY school's president here, NONE of them are saying no thanks. There is really no one here that has aspirations to be in the Sunbelt forever and the only way up is through CUSA. Stop fooling yourselves with this nonsense lol...seriously.

So what's it like still living in 2007? Britney Spears sure is crazy huh? Oh and Barak Obama wins next year just letting you know.
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(07-20-2016 11:11 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 11:02 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 08:12 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  Love the wild hare brained ideas that are being floated about.


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(07-20-2016 11:15 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  Would you all please stop this stupidity in acting as if anyone here wouldn't accept an invite? Let's just get this clear, if CUSA called ANY school's president here, NONE of them are saying no thanks. There is really no one here that has aspirations to be in the Sunbelt forever and the only way up is through CUSA. Stop fooling yourselves with this nonsense lol...seriously.

I don't think we're trying to fool anyone. It comes down to money and many of our programs in this conference don't have or want to fork out millions to exit and enter what we see as a lateral move. The sentiment here in our corner of the internet is that the Sun Belt and CUSA are essentially equal. The 2 programs most here think would jump at the opportunity to join CUSA would be Texas St and GSU. This especially rings true if you lose one (or two) of the top programs like USM and/or Marshall. With that said, none of us run our beloved universities so our opinion means jack in the grand scheme of things.
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(07-20-2016 11:44 AM)moonshine Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 11:15 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  Would you all please stop this stupidity in acting as if anyone here wouldn't accept an invite? Let's just get this clear, if CUSA called ANY school's president here, NONE of them are saying no thanks. There is really no one here that has aspirations to be in the Sunbelt forever and the only way up is through CUSA. Stop fooling yourselves with this nonsense lol...seriously.

I don't think we're trying to fool anyone. It comes down to money and many of our programs in this conference don't have or want to fork out millions to exit and enter what we see as a lateral move. The sentiment here in our corner of the internet is that the Sun Belt and CUSA are essentially equal. The 2 programs most here think would jump at the opportunity to join CUSA would be Texas St and GSU. This especially rings true if you lose one (or two) of the top programs like USM and/or Marshall. With that said, none of us run our beloved universities so our opinion means jack in the grand scheme of things.


The motivation to move might be the fear of the unknown if you don't and the next guy does.

It's all wild speculation for now. But if Memphis is included, and that's part of a 4 team addition, the fan is going to be stinking.


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(07-19-2016 07:49 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 07:48 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 07:45 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  They'll add two.

Houston and BYU just like I said a month ago when I was chastised.


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I think they will add four. At this point it is about trying to be locked in long term. Texas and Oklahoma aren't going to be happy with all these other conferences getting tv deals and not the b12


It'll be two unless they know something is on the horizon regarding a total P5 breakaway.


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Or if they know Texas and Oklahoma are leaving...
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(07-20-2016 11:53 AM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 07:49 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 07:48 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 07:45 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  They'll add two.

Houston and BYU just like I said a month ago when I was chastised.


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I think they will add four. At this point it is about trying to be locked in long term. Texas and Oklahoma aren't going to be happy with all these other conferences getting tv deals and not the b12


It'll be two unless they know something is on the horizon regarding a total P5 breakaway.


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Or if they know Texas and Oklahoma are leaving...


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(07-20-2016 11:15 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 10:58 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 10:52 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(07-19-2016 10:35 PM)prisonmike Wrote:  The reality is the Big 12 doesnt want to expand at all. Bc of the ACC GOR/Conf Network announcement the B12 feels like they have to make a move. If they add any teams it will only be 2. So how might this realistically affect the belt?

B12 adds 2 teams from AAC (or 1 AAC/BYU or 1 MWC/BYU)
AAC adds 2 teams from CUSA (or stays at 10)
CUSA stays at 12.
SBC stays at 10.

Done.

Agreed. I'm thinking Cincy and Memphis. AAC stays at 10, CUSA at 14, SBC at 10.

Only thing is if one school leaves the AAC instead of two, in which case the AAC will want to take one team. Heck maybe they'll take UMass and that'll be that, but maybe they'll take a CUSA school. That league won't want to stay at 13, so unless they add NMSU (highly unlikely) or JMU (also doubtful since they won't do FCOA), they'll go for a SBC school.

Well what SBC school besides TXST would want to leave? Maybe GaSt, but would it be worth dropping important rivalries and a possible increase in tv revenue just to be in a conference with UAB and FIU?


Would you all please stop this stupidity in acting as if anyone here wouldn't accept an invite? Let's just get this clear, if CUSA called ANY school's president here, NONE of them are saying no thanks. There is really no one here that has aspirations to be in the Sunbelt forever and the only way up is through CUSA. Stop fooling yourselves with this nonsense lol...seriously.

The cost-benefit between the exit/entrance fees and what you get for it is already.....highly questionable.

Add into it the fact that....if CUSA issues invites.....its because USM or Rice or Marshall and perhaps more are already gone. That makes the cost-benefit analysis even worse.

You think we want to pay millions to go to a CUSA that has lost some combination of USM or Rice or Marshall or ODU.

Try hard to get with reality.
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The big 12 adding two teams will likely have zero affect on the Belt. First BYU might be one of the teams selected, second AAC only needs 10 to have a CCG and third CUSA already has 14 teams. It hurts financially for G5's to add teams not the other way around.
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(07-20-2016 12:20 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  The big 12 adding two teams will likely have zero affect on the Belt. First BYU might be one of the teams selected, second AAC only needs 10 to have a CCG and third CUSA already has 14 teams. It hurts financially for G5's to add teams not the other way around.


Yes, two teams will have little to no effect.

4 teams would almost certainly get to us, especially if the Big 12 goes east and plucks 3 from the AAC.


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(07-20-2016 12:35 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 12:20 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  The big 12 adding two teams will likely have zero affect on the Belt. First BYU might be one of the teams selected, second AAC only needs 10 to have a CCG and third CUSA already has 14 teams. It hurts financially for G5's to add teams not the other way around.


Yes, two teams will have little to no effect.

4 teams would almost certainly get to us, especially if the Big 12 goes east and plucks 3 from the AAC.


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I hate to say I agree with JCGSU(2 more times this month and it is a sign of the apocalypse), but I do. It would take minimum of 3 from the AAC to see anything here. If it is only 2, 2 move up from CUSA to the AAC and CUSA stands pat at 12.
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(07-20-2016 12:40 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 12:35 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 12:20 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  The big 12 adding two teams will likely have zero affect on the Belt. First BYU might be one of the teams selected, second AAC only needs 10 to have a CCG and third CUSA already has 14 teams. It hurts financially for G5's to add teams not the other way around.


Yes, two teams will have little to no effect.

4 teams would almost certainly get to us, especially if the Big 12 goes east and plucks 3 from the AAC.


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I hate to say I agree with JCGSU(2 more times this month and it is a sign of the apocalypse), but I do. It would take minimum of 3 from the AAC to see anything here. If it is only 2, 2 move up from CUSA to the AAC and CUSA stands pat at 12.


In theory, AAC doesn't even have to replace two of they don't want too.

Could be a bunch of nothing. Could be a panic induced frenzy.


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(07-20-2016 12:42 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 12:40 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 12:35 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 12:20 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  The big 12 adding two teams will likely have zero affect on the Belt. First BYU might be one of the teams selected, second AAC only needs 10 to have a CCG and third CUSA already has 14 teams. It hurts financially for G5's to add teams not the other way around.


Yes, two teams will have little to no effect.

4 teams would almost certainly get to us, especially if the Big 12 goes east and plucks 3 from the AAC.


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I hate to say I agree with JCGSU(2 more times this month and it is a sign of the apocalypse), but I do. It would take minimum of 3 from the AAC to see anything here. If it is only 2, 2 move up from CUSA to the AAC and CUSA stands pat at 12.


In theory, AAC doesn't even have to replace two of they don't want too.

Could be a bunch of nothing. Could be a panic induced frenzy.


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Saw a posting on twitter that Bill Snyder says one or two schools that left Big12 may be interested in coming back. I can't see Missouri or Texas A&M leaving the cash cow SEC and really that also applies to Nebraska in the Big 10 so maybe Colorado would entertain coming back from the PAC?

Could the 2/4 be:
Colorado
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(07-20-2016 11:47 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 11:44 AM)moonshine Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 11:15 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  Would you all please stop this stupidity in acting as if anyone here wouldn't accept an invite? Let's just get this clear, if CUSA called ANY school's president here, NONE of them are saying no thanks. There is really no one here that has aspirations to be in the Sunbelt forever and the only way up is through CUSA. Stop fooling yourselves with this nonsense lol...seriously.

I don't think we're trying to fool anyone. It comes down to money and many of our programs in this conference don't have or want to fork out millions to exit and enter what we see as a lateral move. The sentiment here in our corner of the internet is that the Sun Belt and CUSA are essentially equal. The 2 programs most here think would jump at the opportunity to join CUSA would be Texas St and GSU. This especially rings true if you lose one (or two) of the top programs like USM and/or Marshall. With that said, none of us run our beloved universities so our opinion means jack in the grand scheme of things.


The motivation to move might be the fear of the unknown if you don't and the next guy does.

It's all wild speculation for now. But if Memphis is included, and that's part of a 4 team addition, the fan is going to be stinking.


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But a move to what? This isn't the past. IF CUSA is looking for a team(s) it's because they lost some very big players to the AAC. Would anyone in the SBC want to join a CUSA without USM, Marshall, WKU, Rice, or whoever it is? Look there are a few teams with legit reasons for wanting to make the move (txst and gsu, maybe a couple others with lesser reasons). Everyone else would look at that gutted conference and say no thanks. Losing 2 teams would actually be good for CUSA money wise, but overall it would hurt their perception. I really doubt much happens unless a total collapse of the big12 comes of this and the P5's do a power grab and leave the scraps for the AAC (who may not be able to absorb teams at that point). Otherwise CUSA may just end up at 12 teams which is a good number and the SBC remains at 10.
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(07-20-2016 01:31 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 11:47 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 11:44 AM)moonshine Wrote:  
(07-20-2016 11:15 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  Would you all please stop this stupidity in acting as if anyone here wouldn't accept an invite? Let's just get this clear, if CUSA called ANY school's president here, NONE of them are saying no thanks. There is really no one here that has aspirations to be in the Sunbelt forever and the only way up is through CUSA. Stop fooling yourselves with this nonsense lol...seriously.

I don't think we're trying to fool anyone. It comes down to money and many of our programs in this conference don't have or want to fork out millions to exit and enter what we see as a lateral move. The sentiment here in our corner of the internet is that the Sun Belt and CUSA are essentially equal. The 2 programs most here think would jump at the opportunity to join CUSA would be Texas St and GSU. This especially rings true if you lose one (or two) of the top programs like USM and/or Marshall. With that said, none of us run our beloved universities so our opinion means jack in the grand scheme of things.


The motivation to move might be the fear of the unknown if you don't and the next guy does.

It's all wild speculation for now. But if Memphis is included, and that's part of a 4 team addition, the fan is going to be stinking.


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But a move to what? This isn't the past. IF CUSA is looking for a team(s) it's because they lost some very big players to the AAC. Would anyone in the SBC want to join a CUSA without USM, Marshall, WKU, Rice, or whoever it is? Look there are a few teams with legit reasons for wanting to make the move (txst and gsu, maybe a couple others with lesser reasons). Everyone else would look at that gutted conference and say no thanks. Losing 2 teams would actually be good for CUSA money wise, but overall it would hurt their perception. I really doubt much happens unless a total collapse of the big12 comes of this and the P5's do a power grab and leave the scraps for the AAC (who may not be able to absorb teams at that point). Otherwise CUSA may just end up at 12 teams which is a good number and the SBC remains at 10.


That would be the sensible result.

But then I'd like to remind you of all the sensible decisions that were made last time realignment occurred.


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