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RE: The truth about higher education in Louisiana.
(02-13-2016 02:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If you're going to fix the system. Fix it.

Don't make the mistake of leaving your schools in areas far from where the students live. The 1950's residential model of 'stay away' college isn't the best use of public funds.

The five largest population centers in Louisiana are

New Orleans - UNO
Baton Rouge - LSU
Shreveport - LSUS
Lafayette - UL
Monroe - ULM

Each of these schools should have a state institution with full graduate level programs

Concentrating the resources in those five cities will maximize the benefit to the people of Louisiana.

SELA - 4 year school only - managed by LSU or UNO
SUNO - folded into UNO
Nicholls - 4 year school only - managed by either UNO, LSU, or UL
McNeese - 4 year school with very limited masters programs (e.g. Nursing, MBA only) - managed by UL
LSU-Eunice - folded into UL
La Tech - sorry but not near the people. Most optimal solution is to roll it into LSUS. Or just call LSUS "La Tech" and close down the Ruston campus
Southern - fold into LSU
Grambling - fold into LSUS
LSU-Alex - 4 year school only - managed by LSU
Northwestern - fold into LSUS
SU-Shreveport - fold into LSUS

If you're going to fix the system, fix it correctly. Each of the states' 5 major metros get one major state institution. Three other regional centers get a 4 year or 4 year plus limited master program facilities. 11 schools get cut heavily/closed
Yep....prob the best propsal yet.

Splitting the northern schools between Shreveport and Monroe makes the most sense. Let lsu manage Shreveport, and UL manage ULM.

I keep going back and forth with SLU....but think there is enough for lsu without so nola, as the biggest metro area in the state so I will settle with uno.
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To really do this correctly and on budget is that ULM, and LSUS would need major overhauls of there campuses including UNO, and UL-Lafayette. This would have to be a 20 year plan to do it correctly whole departments would have to be shifted and cut out. In the long run would probably be the best.

would LaTech be willing to move to Shreveport? They would want LSU-Med Program in Shreveport.
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(02-13-2016 03:12 PM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  To really do this correctly and on budget is that ULM, and LSUS would need major overhauls of there campuses including UNO, and UL-Lafayette. This would have to be a 20 year plan to do it correctly whole departments would have to be shifted and cut out. In the long run would probably be the best.

Yes, definitely: pour money into major metro areas that can best support the uni's.

As for UL that would mean expiditing the purchase of the 'Lourdes' property, as we have maxed out the main campus with all the continued growth we have had. Campus expansion is a must.....not a luxury.

We do have the great assest of the research park area: already done growth there and room to grow even more.

Now if we can only find more room to tailgate for FB games, lol.
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Grambling would have to stay! You will never close it down. You would cause a crack in the Universe if it ever closed.

We talking hypothetically though, yes this would be a good way to overhaul the system
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Ok, now some reality...politics will control what happens with schools in Louisiana. One thing for certain, Southern BR will remain. If it were me, I would merge SUBR and Grambling under the newly founded HBCU system (just converting the SU system into a mix of SU and Grambling system) while consolidating SUNO and UNO. SU Shreveport would be closed. LSUA would be reverted back into 2 year school. After that, Nicholls would become a 2 year school and LSUE would be closed. From there, only ULM, ULL and LSUBR would be granted the ability to bestow doctorate level degrees. All other universities would be masters level institutions. As for Tech, I would send their engineering program to LSU and urge Centenary to merge with Tech, turn it private with a one time state supplement of the Tech budget, and move their operations to Ruston.
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Might as well shut down Mississippi State, Clemson, Ole Miss, A&M too, it's in the middle nowhere. That's how silly of argument your're making.
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(02-13-2016 03:55 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Might as well shut down Mississippi State, Clemson, Ole Miss, A&M too, it's in the middle nowhere. That's how silly of argument your're making.

So you are comparing tech to these four....LOL. Talk about silly. The idiocy meter just jumped...a techie is back...LOL. Where you been....like we don't know. Seperation!
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(02-13-2016 03:55 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Might as well shut down Mississippi State, Clemson, Ole Miss, A&M too, it's in the middle nowhere. That's how silly of argument your're making.

Lol.....now that is our little fellas from @ruston: daring to compare themselves to those fine schools......not mention comparing the great town of Ruston.

Never. Ever. Has there been more delusion than from ltu-r fans. Especially in light of their declining academics.
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Louisiana politics do play a role, as they know that Tech is the crown jewel of the UL system so any plans that involves the best school be shut down or best program removed is a nonstarter.

That's anagolous to reforming the University of Texas system by getting rid of Austin and keeping all the commuter schools such as UTSA. So lets stick to realistic plans
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(02-13-2016 04:06 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Louisiana politics do play a role, as they know that Tech is the crown jewel of the UL system so any plans that involves the best school be shut down or best program removed is a nonstarter.

That's anagolous to reforming the University of Texas system by getting rid of Austin and keeping all the commuter schools such as UTSA. So lets stick to realistic plans

Well it is good to see you have a sense of humour.
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(02-13-2016 04:03 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(02-13-2016 03:55 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Might as well shut down Mississippi State, Clemson, Ole Miss, A&M too, it's in the middle nowhere. That's how silly of argument your're making.

So you are comparing tech to these four....LOL. Talk about silly. The idiocy meter just jumped...a techie is back...LOL. Where you been....like we don't know. Seperation!

Yes, Seperation!. I couldn't have illustrated my point better than that. Thanks
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(02-13-2016 04:09 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(02-13-2016 04:03 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(02-13-2016 03:55 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Might as well shut down Mississippi State, Clemson, Ole Miss, A&M too, it's in the middle nowhere. That's how silly of argument your're making.

So you are comparing tech to these four....LOL. Talk about silly. The idiocy meter just jumped...a techie is back...LOL. Where you been....like we don't know. Seperation!

Yes, Seperation!. I couldn't have illustrated my point better than that. Thanks

LOL...glad you caught it.
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Yes, separation = ulm rising to R3 to be on the same level as ltu-r.....while ul remains separated on level R2.
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(02-13-2016 03:55 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Might as well shut down Mississippi State, Clemson, Ole Miss, A&M too, it's in the middle nowhere. That's how silly of argument your're making.

There's a reason that Mississippi is dead last in a lot of things. Part of the problem is that its population is poorly educated. And part of that problem is that its' schools are far from its people.

The biggest metro area (Jackson) has one poorly funded HBCU...Jackson State.
The second biggest metro area effectively has no comprehensive state school (no - USM-Gulfpark doesn't count). Its so bad that one of the largest education facilities for Miss Coast residents is ... the University of South Alabama. Actually, the Coast doesn't have a comprehensive public or private institution. Want an engineering degree and live in Biloxi? If you want to stay in state...you have to move (even USM has no engineering programs)

And so on.

Ole Miss and Mississippi State are in thinly populated areas. USM is in a small metro (Hattiesburg).

Mississippi's education system is geared towards the small percentage of residents that are wealthy enough to send their kids away to school. Its a luxury Mississippi cant afford without ensuring that its population remains under educated.

Nobody does 'dead last' better than Mississippi.

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Texas has TAMU. But they also have UH, UT, UTSA, UTRGV, UTEP, and UTA in areas where people live.

Clemson is mildly poorly situated. But Clemson is 29 miles from the center of a 1.4 million plus metro (Greenville/Spartanburg). And USC is right in downtown Columbia. Charleston also has a state school.
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(02-14-2016 02:49 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(02-13-2016 03:55 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Might as well shut down Mississippi State, Clemson, Ole Miss, A&M too, it's in the middle nowhere. That's how silly of argument your're making.

There's a reason that Mississippi is dead last in a lot of things. Part of the problem is that its population is poorly educated. And part of that problem is that its' schools are far from its people.

The biggest metro area (Jackson) has one poorly funded HBCU...Jackson State.
The second biggest metro area effectively has no comprehensive state school (no - USM-Gulfpark doesn't count). Its so bad that one of the largest education facilities for Miss Coast residents is ... the University of South Alabama. Actually, the Coast doesn't have a comprehensive public or private institution. Want an engineering degree and live in Biloxi? If you want to stay in state...you have to move (even USM has no engineering programs)

And so on.

Ole Miss and Mississippi State are in thinly populated areas. USM is in a small metro (Hattiesburg).

Mississippi's education system is geared towards the small percentage of residents that are wealthy enough to send their kids away to school. Its a luxury Mississippi cant afford without ensuring that its population remains under educated.

Nobody does 'dead last' better than Mississippi.

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Texas has TAMU. But they also have UH, UT, UTSA, UTRGV, UTEP, and UTA in areas where people live.

Clemson is mildly poorly situated. But Clemson is 29 miles from the center of a 1.4 million plus metro (Greenville/Spartanburg). And USC is right in downtown Columbia. Charleston also has a state school.

to take this craziness to even another level, there is a drive by a group in a minority area of s.w. dallas just 12 miles from uta that has been lobbying for years to get a branch of ut there because well, it's some kind of discrimination for those folks wanting to go to college to have to travel the 12 miles over to arlington.
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(02-13-2016 11:46 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(02-13-2016 10:40 AM)Bigtom12 Wrote:  Well to me they need to consolidate. What they should do is. You have 3 main campuses for Master and Doctorate Programs. Everything else should be Bachelor and some Master degree programs. These schools should be feeder schools.

UL-System-UL-Lafayette Master and Doctorate Programs (McNeese, Nicholls, and NWST.)

Tech System-Louisiana Tech Master and Doctorate Programs ( Grambling, LSUS, ULM)

LSU system-LSU Master and Doctorate Programs (SELA, UNO, Southern) get rid of Southern Law School.

With the issue of having adjunct professors, some of these schools can keep Master Degree programs like English or Math.

LSUE, LSUA, Southern-Shreveport, SUNO close for business.

This should cut the budget.

That's a reasonable plan with maybe switching NWST to the Tech system. Tech purposed this a few years ago to absorb LSUs even though the Shreveport leaders endorsed it, it was tabled by the LSU dominated legislature.

Tech is the academic crown jewel of the UInversity of Louisiana system, the only tier 1 so combining with a school that is on the verge of losing accreditation or one that has lost thousands of students to Tech is a non-starter.

Tech has dropped back 1 level in Carnegie Classification and is now the same level as ULM. UL is one level higher than both along with UNO. You are NOT the crown jewel of the University of Louisiana System......
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(02-13-2016 12:48 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Make no mistake, Tech is the academic crown jewel of University of Louisiana system.


Louisiana Tech has the highest Graduation rate and the highest ACT scores of incoming students in the UL system. And it's not even close
http://collegemeasures.org/4-year_colleg...ion-rates/


Forbes ranked Tech the 154th best research university in the nation, the highest in the University of Louisiana System and the highest overall ranked college in the University of Louisiana system
http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/#tab:...:Louisiana


Kiplingers ranked Tech #1 in Louisiana for best College Value and 66th in the Nation among all public universities


US News ranked Tech #1 among all national public universities in the US with students graduating with the least amount of debt.


Payscale College ROI and Salary rankings, Louisiana Tech grads had the highest ROI in Louisiana and the highest salary among all Louisiana universities.
http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report


Tech is #6 in Business Insider's Most Underrated Colleges in America rankings.


Tech is ranked 199th by US News. UL System only Tier 1 University

All subjective.....we are noted as a top University in the Princeton Review, Louisiana Tech is not.....so what. You have lost a level of Carnegie Classification which in academic circles is what matters. Being mentioned in Magazines as this and that is the equivalent of having advertising billboards on a Highway....sorry buddy but you have been passed up.
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Man...there's so much hostility in LA. Can't you all just....get along...? Lol...I kid, I kid...

My take: I'm not going to even pretend to have a good idea about the geographic locations of the populated areas of Louisiana. The University System of Georgia recently urged a few schools to merge together and were successful at doing so in some of the cases. Whatever y'all end up doing, I do feel like any attempt to shut down/merge and HBCU with a brand (Grambling, Southern, etc.) in any way is a pipe dream and the reality of doing so would be more of a fight than most states will want to deal with. The public backlash could be insane (especially if you tried to get all schools at the same time). "Lesser" branded HBCUs, such as Darton College and Albany State merged in GA under the ASU name without a whole lot of backlash. I hope that one day Armstrong will be forced into a merger with either Georgia Southern or Savannah State.
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Texas recently had two universities merge also with UTPA and UT-Brownsville becoming UT-RGV.
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(02-14-2016 01:25 PM)_x_ Wrote:  Texas recently had two universities merge also with UTPA and UT-Brownsville becoming UT-RGV.

But then again, Texas is engaged in duplicative behavior in Houston, where we already have UH, UH-Downtown (a separate school - not an extension), UH-Clear Lake (a separate school - not an extension), Texas Southern University in the city limits and TAMU Galveston, Prairie View A&M in the metro area and TAMU and SHSU right outside it. I'm not even counting the multiple state supported medical schools in Greater Houston.

And even with all of those state schools in Houston....UT is trying to start a new college campus in Houston (UT-Houston).
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