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RE: Seven decades of competition Astate vs Louisiana thread
(10-18-2015 07:18 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(10-18-2015 06:28 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  If they have to go with their backup for much of the game.......heaven help them, because he is the worse qb in all of FBS, and the #1 reason they should be concerned big-time about the judgement of their OC, and HC.

Have you even watched him play? He had multiple caroms off of players for interceptions which were just out and out bad luck. The Toledo game plan was for Tabary to chunk it deep and pray.....destined to fail.

Do we want the freshman leading the offense? No. Is he "the worst qb in all of FBS"? No.


Knighten Actual Stats

SEASON CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT RAW QBR ADJ QBR
2015 29 63 302 46.0 4.79 41 4 3 5 97.7 14.2 20.6

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SEASON CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT RAW QBR ADJ QBR
2015 65 102 788 63.7 7.73 49 4 6 10 129.8 14.1 9.9

Enough to know he is the worse qb I've seen in an A-State uniform in over a decade, and was not shocked to see has a horrible qb rating.

Yes he puts up good numbers in practice, in the weight room or in the glorified scrimmages against MoSt or an injury depleted Idaho (where he was horrible until they were able to focus on running the ball).

If their is a worse QB in FBS I feel sorry for that team, and you had better hope he doe not get on the field except in mop-up roles.

I have not exactly been tooting your returning all-sbc qb's horn. His play has been sub-par, going back to the latter part of last year,and he is just as likely to hurt his team as their opponent, but other than not getting to play against Toledo, he has been on the field against the better competition, a place your backup should never be.

This reminds me of arguing with A-State fans about Elliot Jacobs. Your QB's are killing you..........and everyone knows that.
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RE: Seven decades of competition Astate vs Louisiana thread
(10-18-2015 07:48 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  Sun Belt QBs

http://espn.go.com/college-football/conf...conference

(10-18-2015 07:50 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  The problem is Tabary faced USC, Mizzou, and Toledo. Those are some pretty tough defenses.

He looked fairly good against Missouri State, for a first time starter.
I thought the MoSt game was where he padded his stats, with an almost NCAA record performance.
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RE: Seven decades of competition Astate vs Louisiana thread
Seminole, could you please make another prediction of an easy stAte win against the Cajuns like you did last year?

Thanks in advance.04-cheers
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(10-18-2015 09:13 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  Seminole, could you please make another prediction of an easy stAte win against the Cajuns like you did last year?

Thanks in advance.04-cheers
I don't recall ever making a prediction last year.

I normally don't predict games, just reference who credible sources say should win, but this year I said if they get an all-sbc performance from their all-sbc qb they win by 20+, and if they get their continued sub-par play they simply cover the spread.

If their backup plays a large part of the game they are in trouble.

Not really doing this because i want to really predict a score, just to underscore how poorly their qb's have played, especially their backup..
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RE: Seven decades of competition Astate vs Louisiana thread
Gawd I wish this guy would forget about Arkansas State
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RE: Seven decades of competition Astate vs Louisiana thread
Actually this has nothing to do with A-State..........and I really could care less if you dropped football, and it would in fact make my job easier.

In the mean time you still have the most talented roster of players in the SBC( and have had for several years now), will probably be favored in all but one SBC game( and the team that will probably be favored over yours has significantly less overall talent), will probably win from 9-7 games over all, and will probably go to a bowl game, dispite the fact your qb;s have stunk thus far, especially your backup.
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(10-18-2015 10:02 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  In the mean time you still have the most talented roster of players in the SBC

Close enough!04-cheers
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Just drop the "your QB" stuff, and say what you mean, "our QB."
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(10-18-2015 09:30 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Gawd I wish this guy would forget about Arkansas State

Occasionally, he puts up good stuff. Problem is, when he's not, it gets ugly.
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(10-18-2015 07:50 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  The problem is Tabary faced USC, Mizzou, and Toledo. Those are some pretty tough defenses.

He looked fairly good against Missouri State, for a first time starter.

We've had this debate about Tabary on our board. People are holding that one game against Toledo against him when it was first ever road start, and against the best G5 team in the country to boot.

He's not a bad QB at all...he's just a freshman. Hopefully we blow someoneo ut in league play this year and he can get some more time.
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(10-18-2015 11:40 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(10-18-2015 07:50 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  The problem is Tabary faced USC, Mizzou, and Toledo. Those are some pretty tough defenses.

He looked fairly good against Missouri State, for a first time starter.

We've had this debate about Tabary on our board. People are holding that one game against Toledo against him when it was first ever road start, and against the best G5 team in the country to boot.

He's not a bad QB at all...he's just a freshman. Hopefully we blow someoneo ut in league play this year and he can get some more time.

Now I agree with your post.

He was not bad against USC, outstanding against MoSt, and when the running game kicked in against Idaho, he was very competent.

He seems to do very well when those around him are able to take the load off of him( like they did against MoSt, and most of the Idaho game).

Problem is, especially in this offense, the qb is has to be catalyst for good play, and that is something he has struggled mightily with(especially against good defenses like Mizzou, and Toledo).

Fact is so has Knighten since late last year.

Both qb's know this, and will tell you so.
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(10-18-2015 10:11 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
(10-18-2015 10:02 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  In the mean time you still have the most talented roster of players in the SBC

Close enough!04-cheers
That is fair, as long as you understand that while I have no problem discussing talent, and who IMO should win, I normally defer to 'credible' sources, or even posters here, as to who has the 'best' team going into a game.

Know you will forget this if your team wins, and again claim that I predicted a blow-out win by A-State( but I have not), or the fact there are few if any credible sources that do not have ULL as the underdog in this game.

Think the 'consensus' in their three loses last year that ULL (think they were the only team favored to beat them), had the better team, but AppSt, and TxSt did not.

At this point it looks like AppSt is the only SBC that will be favored over them by 'credible' sources, and this is the truth, that is simply ignored by posters.

The A-State fans simply don't like the fact their team is losing games to teams they are not suppose to, and I can understand why.
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and one last thing........if AppSt, and A-State win the games 'credible' sources say they are suppose to win, the AppSt vs A-State game will be for the SBC Championship, and I will not hesitate, to say who I think should win that game based on their overall talent if it turns out to be the case.
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Never has so little been said with so many words.
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(10-19-2015 07:36 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  Never has so little been said with so many words.
Maybe, but connecting the dots to remind some of the fact that A-State has been favored in most of their SBC games over the last few years, took a few more.

Guess what, look for the same again next year, although they will probably not be an underdog in any SBC game, and should not have been this year.

I can see why that irks A-State fans, and the fans of other SBC schools, but look for it to be the case regardless of what you like, because they are expected again to have the best overall talent in the SBC.
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(10-19-2015 07:53 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(10-19-2015 07:36 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  Never has so little been said with so many words.
Maybe, but connecting the dots to remind some of the fact that A-State has been favored in most of their SBC games over the last few years, took a few more.

Guess what, look for the same again next year, although they will probably not be an underdog in any SBC game, and should not have been this year.

I can see why that irks A-State fans, and the fans of other SBC schools, but look for it to be the case regardless of what you like, because they are expected again to have the best overall talent in the SBC.

Doesn't irk me at all. I'd rather all Belt games be bloodbaths instead of pillow fights.
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(10-18-2015 04:44 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
(10-18-2015 04:32 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  
(10-18-2015 01:28 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(10-18-2015 01:21 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
(10-18-2015 01:15 PM)runninjoe Wrote:  It is definitely my favorite game on the conference schedule and the only real rivalry we have right now. App St could develop into one, and I miss playing Troy but they are a shell of the former teams they had.

I'm curious to see what the line will be because I have no idea what to expect this Tuesday out of either squad.

Just looked at Live Lines but nothing posted yet. I'd say stAte will be about a 10-14 point favorite.
Surely it will not open anywhere near that.

stAte favored by six.

Well there ya go, six is closer to 10 than pick 'em. I win.

(10-19-2015 06:56 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(10-18-2015 10:11 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
(10-18-2015 10:02 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  In the mean time you still have the most talented roster of players in the SBC

Close enough!04-cheers
That is fair, as long as you understand that while I have no problem discussing talent, and who IMO should win, I normally defer to 'credible' sources, or even posters here, as to who has the 'best' team going into a game.

Know you will forget this if your team wins, and again claim that I predicted a blow-out win by A-State( but I have not), or the fact there are few if any credible sources that do not have ULL as the underdog in this game.

Think the 'consensus' in their three loses last year that ULL (think they were the only team favored to beat them), had the better team, but AppSt, and TxSt did not.

At this point it looks like AppSt is the only SBC that will be favored over them by 'credible' sources, and this is the truth, that is simply ignored by posters.

The A-State fans simply don't like the fact their team is losing games to teams they are not suppose to, and I can understand why.

What game in 2015 did A-State lose that it was not supposed to?

Are you still talking about last year? If so, why?
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(10-19-2015 08:24 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  
(10-18-2015 04:44 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
(10-18-2015 04:32 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  
(10-18-2015 01:28 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(10-18-2015 01:21 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  Just looked at Live Lines but nothing posted yet. I'd say stAte will be about a 10-14 point favorite.
Surely it will not open anywhere near that.

stAte favored by six.

Well there ya go, six is closer to 10 than pick 'em. I win.

(10-19-2015 06:56 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(10-18-2015 10:11 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
(10-18-2015 10:02 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  In the mean time you still have the most talented roster of players in the SBC

Close enough!04-cheers
That is fair, as long as you understand that while I have no problem discussing talent, and who IMO should win, I normally defer to 'credible' sources, or even posters here, as to who has the 'best' team going into a game.

Know you will forget this if your team wins, and again claim that I predicted a blow-out win by A-State( but I have not), or the fact there are few if any credible sources that do not have ULL as the underdog in this game.

Think the 'consensus' in their three loses last year that ULL (think they were the only team favored to beat them), had the better team, but AppSt, and TxSt did not.

At this point it looks like AppSt is the only SBC that will be favored over them by 'credible' sources, and this is the truth, that is simply ignored by posters.

The A-State fans simply don't like the fact their team is losing games to teams they are not suppose to, and I can understand why.

What game in 2015 did A-State lose that it was not supposed to?

Are you still talking about last year? If so, why?
Think they were favored over both AppSt, and TxSt.

A ULL fans said i predicted A-State would beat ULL badly last year. Might have said they should, but probably did not make a prediction.

Also wanted to point out that 'credible' sources, have had, and will continue to have A-State as the favorite in most of their SBC games. Underdog in only one last year, and likely only one this year.

Many of those 'credible' sources use my clients data( which involves a lot more than evaluating the talent on each teams roster that I help put together) in making their decisions, so I do have a heads up on what to expect, especially from the folks in Vegas.
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(10-19-2015 08:11 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
(10-19-2015 07:53 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(10-19-2015 07:36 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  Never has so little been said with so many words.
Maybe, but connecting the dots to remind some of the fact that A-State has been favored in most of their SBC games over the last few years, took a few more.

Guess what, look for the same again next year, although they will probably not be an underdog in any SBC game, and should not have been this year.

I can see why that irks A-State fans, and the fans of other SBC schools, but look for it to be the case regardless of what you like, because they are expected again to have the best overall talent in the SBC.

Doesn't irk me at all. I'd rather all Belt games be bloodbaths instead of pillow fights.
Well ULL is the only SBC team other than A-State with a roster made up of mostly FBS caliber players at this point, so you should get what you want.
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(10-19-2015 08:39 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  A ULL fans said i predicted A-State would beat ULL badly last year. Might have said they should, but probably did not make a prediction.



Here's what you said actually, and I quote:

Quote:I'm fully confident they will bring it, and if your team plays it's best and they play their best they will still win, because their team is better than yours. Your best chance to win took the Boise job, and their new coach, like Malzahn and Freeze, is better than yours, a lot better in fact.

USA Todays composite has them at #98 (the Cajuns), and watching them Tuesday even that might be a little high. IMO the only thing you could tell for sure was they are not very good, and TxSt is even worse.
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