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RE: Swofford interview
(04-23-2015 03:18 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 03:09 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 02:53 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 02:44 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  I agree that Swofford can't realign the divisional structure by himself. The coaches and ADs want it, because of the chance to win a division is much easier than having to be one of the top two teams in the conference. And with divisions, at least you "win" something. That's good for bonuses and resumes.

But I'll be very disappointed if we don't make a move. Here's a rare chance for the ACC to be bold and visionary for once. Get rid of the divisions, or come up with non-static divisions. Swofford is going to have to go over the coaches heads at least.

He can not do it himself, but he's going to have to crack some heads on this. We didn't get the rule changed for nothing...I simply don't believe that. Getting the rule changed was proactive, and I have to imagine there was a reason in mind for it.
swoff made a comment about "scheduling flexibility" if the rules are relaxed. if I read between the lines, that may very well mean that we keep divisions, but don't play everyone in the division. for example, 2 permanent rivals and 3 rotating games in your division with 1 permanent and 2 rotating in the opposite division. it's kind of weird to not play round robin in the division, but only missing one per year isn't too bad.

Way early on, when this change was first proposed, this was specifically mentioned as one of the options. There's obviously, as you said, something about it that doesn't feel right. BUT, it is probably the most conservative and least conspicuous change, at least until two teams go 8-0 and need a tiebreaker to decide who won the division because they didn't play each other.

It's a bit of a half-measure for me, but it would be an improvement, and I agree with you that although it's not the sexy move, it's probably a dark-horse favorite for the most likely change.

It's not possible for two teams in the same division to go 8-0 in my proposal. They still play a full round robin within their division - it's just that the divisions aren't the same every year. One year FSU and Ga Tech are in your division, and the next year Miami and Clemson take their place. The only way it's possible to have two 8-0 teams meet in the CCG is if one (or more) of the northern teams manage to stay unbeaten.

I've got no problem with non-static divisions either. If we can go to a 3-5 type schedule, and just rerack the divisions each year (or two years) to conform with the schedule, I'm all for that, and it kills all birds with one stone.
04-23-2015 03:35 PM
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RE: Swofford interview
ACC divisions are easy once everyone besides FSU and Clemson admits that your not important football wise on a national scale. Once you get that done in a room it's easy.

Big Publics- FSU, GT, Clem, NCST, UNC, UVA, VT
Snobby Privates & a glorified daycare- Miami, Wake, Duke, Cuse, Pitt, BC, Lville

Every goes to FL & NC which are the important pit stops recruiting wise.
Both divisions put like minded schools together.
It makes expansion for specific targets more attractive showing how they fit in with the master plan.
It allows the ACC public division winner a solid schedule to try to make the CFP every year after they most likely win the conference championship game.
It allows the miserable and dregs who spite each other to all live together in doom and gloom.

Note- yes Pitt is technically a public school now but it acts as a private to this day admin wise. They used to be private FYI.
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04-23-2015 03:46 PM
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RE: Swofford interview
(04-23-2015 03:29 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 03:11 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 02:39 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 02:28 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 02:04 PM)ken d Wrote:  What I have proposed elsewhere is that the ten northern ACC schools be in the same divisions they are now, but have FSU/GT and Clemson/Miami rotate from one division to the other each year. Then give each of these two southern groups the other group as permanent cross division rivals so all four schools play each other every year and every other school in the conference every other year.

With Louisville and VaTech in different divisions, that would give each southern school four decent conference opponents every year, with Notre Dame every third year. Add to that their existing OOC rivalry games and they all have a schedule that wouldn't take a back seat to anybody.

I'd be completely fine with that as well. There are some very real, and very good options out there, yet Swofford isn't doing anything about it.

To be fair to Swofford, that's not his call. He can't dictate policy like that. I would be curious to know if any ACC school ever proposed what I just suggested. And if they did, I would be curious to know which schools opposed it (and why).

On matters like divisional alignment, Swofford's job is to try to find consensus if there is one. But if there is no possibility of consensus, there isn't a lot he or any other commissioner can do about it.

Either Swofford has power and has sway or he doesn't. If he can't catalyze a change like this, what is the point of his job position?

He's the commissioner, not the czar. I don't believe any conference commissioner in the FBS has that kind of authority. He can suggest, he can influence, he can cajole, he can mediate. All of those things are likely done out of the view of the public and we never know when or if he does them, or how well. But he can't decide. When those who can decide what they want to do have made their decision, it's his job to sell it and/or advocate for it with parties outside the conference. How well he does that determines whether the presidents are satisfied with his performance.

Who said he was a czar? If the commissioner cannot catalyze a NECESSARY change like this, what is the point of his position? Seems like the conference would be no worse off without any commissioner, if that's the case.
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RE: Swofford interview
(04-21-2015 11:43 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(04-21-2015 11:38 AM)Ragu Wrote:  So in other words, FSU has to be super human and dominant to get in and not have bad perception. Alabama can lose to Ole Miss and such and get in. OSu can lose to Va Tech and get in. But FSU has to be unbeatable while being undefeated to get in easily with good perception.

And that isnt an ACC problem at all right? Please....

That's media driven.
The SEC gets a pass playing a crap OOC schedule when in reality they don't play all the teams in their conference. The worm is slowly starting to turn. As was evident when The SEC didn't get two teams into the CFP as expected. SEC bias will die over time. It's just a slow process.
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a crap ooc schedule. well yeah i guess, auburn opens against a team that was blown out by georgia. i guess thats media driven. yall about to get wrecked again

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Auburn is one of those pansy schools. They just dodged playing fsu yet again. No respect for them
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Good to see the poser "Memphis" fan is back to troll some more. The next intelligent thing he says will be the first.
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RE: Swofford interview
(04-20-2015 10:30 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Crazy how much attention Swofford gives a school that hates him?

That is what happens with a major BB conf in a FB world.
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(04-24-2015 11:19 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  Good to see the poser "Memphis" fan is back to troll some more. The next intelligent thing he says will be the first.

You have a second chance to prove how strong the acc is vs auburn after getting slapped around by uga. What's not true about that.

Media can't spin that.

Ps. Auburn is going in dry. Prepare
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RE: Swofford interview
(04-25-2015 01:23 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(04-24-2015 11:19 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  Good to see the poser "Memphis" fan is back to troll some more. The next intelligent thing he says will be the first.

You have a second chance to prove how strong the acc is vs auburn after getting slapped around by uga. What's not true about that.

Media can't spin that.

Ps. Auburn is going in dry. Prepare

Spin this punk. Fiesta Bowl - Louisville 34 Alabama 7, Sugar Bowl - Louisville 33 Florida 23 (by the skin of their ass). Yep, we lost to UGA. May lose to Auburn. But if you don't think Louisville can kick anyone's ass in the USA on a given day you'd have to be some fool from - where? Memphis Tennessee. Let's see - who else has lost to Louisville at some point in the past 20 years? Mich St, TX, Fl St, Miami, Notre Dame, UNC, Oregan St, VA Tech, WVU, Pitt and on and on. We have ZERO to prove on this site. Lastly - I'll put Louisvilles best 22 Alltime position players up against ANY team in the SEC. That's no joke.
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RE: Swofford interview
(04-29-2015 08:41 PM)RedGrad Wrote:  
(04-25-2015 01:23 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(04-24-2015 11:19 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  Good to see the poser "Memphis" fan is back to troll some more. The next intelligent thing he says will be the first.

You have a second chance to prove how strong the acc is vs auburn after getting slapped around by uga. What's not true about that.

Media can't spin that.

Ps. Auburn is going in dry. Prepare

Spin this punk. Fiesta Bowl - Louisville 34 Alabama 7, Sugar Bowl - Louisville 33 Florida 23 (by the skin of their ass). Yep, we lost to UGA. May lose to Auburn. But if you don't think Louisville can kick anyone's ass in the USA on a given day you'd have to be some fool from - where? Memphis Tennessee. Let's see - who else has lost to Louisville at some point in the past 20 years? Mich St, TX, Fl St, Miami, Notre Dame, UNC, Oregan St, VA Tech, WVU, Pitt and on and on. We have ZERO to prove on this site. Lastly - I'll put Louisvilles best 22 Alltime position players up against ANY team in the SEC. That's no joke.

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Re-racking works and no permission slip from Delaney needed.
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RE: Swofford interview
(04-25-2015 01:23 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(04-24-2015 11:19 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  Good to see the poser "Memphis" fan is back to troll some more. The next intelligent thing he says will be the first.

You have a second chance to prove how strong the acc is vs auburn after getting slapped around by uga. What's not true about that.

Media can't spin that.

Ps. Auburn is going in dry. Prepare

Shouldn't you be worried about your garbage athletic department? I guess as a fan of a school like Memphis, there really is nothing better to do than to troll on other boards. Enjoy the AAC.
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