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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-23-2015 01:44 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
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(04-23-2015 08:09 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Personally, I'd pick up Houston and Rice, and call it a done deal for now.....break out into 4 scheduling pods:

North Carolina-NC State-Wake Forest-Duke
Florida State-Clemson-Louisville-Houston
Miami-Boston College-Syracuse-Rice
Georgia Tech-Virginia Tech-Virginia-Pitt


Select the top two teams for the ACC fb championship.

Expanding into Texas only makes sense with UT and no LHN. However, if carriage fees for the coming accn made it profitable to take other Texas teams, we should grab Houston and SMU to get both Dallas and Houston metro areas. Either way, I can't see the acc adding Texas teams without UT.

1. Houston and Rice is a horrible idea. That's like taking Memphis and Tulane in terms of quality. And they're both in the same city. Why on earth would that make any sense whatsoever?

2. Texas can keep their network just like Notre Dame has their NBC deal. SAME thing. The "making sense" part would be the 5 ACC games/year in football. But if Texas were truly looking at the ACC, they likely wouldn't be able to leave without another TX school or two and would want to keep OU. So just offer all of them and Texas may join as a full member. (But that's ONLY if Texas is seriously interested in joining the ACC, which is not the case at present.)

1. I'm assuming Texas, TCU, and Baylor wouldn't join if the ACC offered....so there's that. Also, Memphis and Tulane aren't in Texas...the Memphis and New Orleans markets aren't quite Texas-size. Houston just got a new stadium and wants to be big time. Rice already has a big stadium. Tulane is trying not to shut their doors on athletics...

2. If Texas had to have OU and two other Texas schools to be brought along for full membership....why wouldn't they just go to the PAC 12....?

1. Houston and Rice is a horrible idea. They are the equivalent quality of Memphis and Tulane. It is mind-bottling why you think two middling programs from the SAME city make for a good addition. They don't. Nobody on here agrees with you on that.

2. You tell me.
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
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(04-21-2015 05:47 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I think that the ACC might do that for Texas. It would be a smart move, in my opinion.

Smart for whom? What's in it for Texas? Except for football, all of their teams would be in a conference whose members range from a minimum of about 850 miles away to nearly 2000 miles away. That's a lot of travel, even for Texas. And in none of those sports would Texas have any kind of rivalry interest with their opponents and vice versa. And how interested would fans in the ACC markets be in a network devoted to all things UT? Or do you believe that Texas would share the LHN with their new friends?

Frankly, I'd just as soon not have anything to do with Texas unless they came to the ACC as a package deal with three other excellent football programs.

I think if Texas did come, it would be exactly like the ND deal.....Texas sports, specifically basketball, would benefit a lot

They would want to keep their network though, and stay indy in football. And why not have a deal like that? With the lingering threat of the Big 10 and SEC picking off ACC teams down the road, why not bring in schools who'd have an incentive in keeping a functional ACC

How would Texas basketball benefit? They would be moving from a conference that had 70% of its members in the NCAAT to one which had 40% invited. They would play 9 away games a year, the nearest of which would be 850 miles away. On average, they would play 4.5 weeknight away games a year, with the same travel problems.

Other sports (except women's basketball) might not have to deal with the midweek scheduling problem as much, but they still have major travel issues. So, where is the benefit?

Sorry, but ACC basketball is light years better than Big XII basketball. The northeast/eastern U.S. may blow chunks in football, but they dominate in basketball. The Big East and ACC are tops in bball. Texas basketball would go from a regional perspective to primetime. I'm sure that would look good for Longhorn network subscriberes....Texas-Duke and Texas-NC

The problem with UT in general is that they've reached a point where they're a national power...if not in sports, in simply athletic potential. The perception of UT has grown to new heights....the Big 10 or PAC 12 would take them in a heartbeat.

BUT....they still insist on this regional landscape for themselves, similar to how ND clings to football independence

Texas could do a lot better than the Big XII....A LOT better

If you could take only the ACC's 10 best teams, and compare them with all 10 Big 12 teams, then the ACC would be better. Not light years, but significantly better. But when you add the bottom teams from the ACC (and you can't exclude them), then on average the Big 12 is better. Again, not light years, but significantly. And Texas wouldn't get as many games against top ACC teams as they now do against the top Big 12 teams. And when they do get the top teams, the fans of the ACC teams won't view this as one of their attractive games. Only UT fans will.
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
I would view Texas vs UNC as a top game. It's definitely better than GT/Wake/NC State vs UNC, and maybe better than UVA vs UNC, too. Only games that are definitely better is the Duke vs UNC series. Texas has made 24 NCAAT in the last 27 years.
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-23-2015 02:38 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I would view Texas vs UNC as a top game. It's definitely better than GT/Wake/NC State vs UNC, and maybe better than UVA vs UNC, too. Only games that are definitely better is the Duke vs UNC series. Texas has made 24 NCAAT in the last 27 years.

What I meant by that was that I don't think UNC fans would view it as a top game for them - that is, one of the games they would want to have as one of their precious few home-and-home games in an 18 game schedule. And I don't think that Louisville, Syracuse or Duke would put a game against Texas in that category either. I think they'd all rather have more games against each other than against Texas.
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-23-2015 02:08 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 01:44 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 01:25 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 08:27 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 08:09 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Personally, I'd pick up Houston and Rice, and call it a done deal for now.....break out into 4 scheduling pods:

North Carolina-NC State-Wake Forest-Duke
Florida State-Clemson-Louisville-Houston
Miami-Boston College-Syracuse-Rice
Georgia Tech-Virginia Tech-Virginia-Pitt


Select the top two teams for the ACC fb championship.

Expanding into Texas only makes sense with UT and no LHN. However, if carriage fees for the coming accn made it profitable to take other Texas teams, we should grab Houston and SMU to get both Dallas and Houston metro areas. Either way, I can't see the acc adding Texas teams without UT.

1. Houston and Rice is a horrible idea. That's like taking Memphis and Tulane in terms of quality. And they're both in the same city. Why on earth would that make any sense whatsoever?

2. Texas can keep their network just like Notre Dame has their NBC deal. SAME thing. The "making sense" part would be the 5 ACC games/year in football. But if Texas were truly looking at the ACC, they likely wouldn't be able to leave without another TX school or two and would want to keep OU. So just offer all of them and Texas may join as a full member. (But that's ONLY if Texas is seriously interested in joining the ACC, which is not the case at present.)

1. I'm assuming Texas, TCU, and Baylor wouldn't join if the ACC offered....so there's that. Also, Memphis and Tulane aren't in Texas...the Memphis and New Orleans markets aren't quite Texas-size. Houston just got a new stadium and wants to be big time. Rice already has a big stadium. Tulane is trying not to shut their doors on athletics...

2. If Texas had to have OU and two other Texas schools to be brought along for full membership....why wouldn't they just go to the PAC 12....?

1. Houston and Rice is a horrible idea. They are the equivalent quality of Memphis and Tulane. It is mind-bottling why you think two middling programs from the SAME city make for a good addition. They don't. Nobody on here agrees with you on that.

2. You tell me.

1. no one agrees with me? lol, you argue like a kid. This thread is about Texas and the ACC...so obviously there's interest in it. You're reading it aren't you? Like I said earlier, recruiting and markets are where it's at IMO. Houston is NOT Memphis or Tulane, but you can think so if you want. Recruiting in Texas is just as good as Florida...TCU and Baylor are anomalies. Take a look at where Art Briles and Kevin Sumlin coached at previously....Any good coach can make ANY team in Texas good because of the recruiting there. Hell, where do you think Oklahoma gets its players? Baylor is an anomaly....they were a bottom-feeder and have found the right coach. Houston could be what TCU and Baylor are....the ingredients are there.

As for Tulane? they're a lost cause IMO...Louisiana will always be about LSU. What's great about Memphis?

2. PAC 12 is > than ACC. Sorry guys, but that's the pecking order....Texas is snobby like that....why the hell would they pick the ACC for full-fledged sports? they won't even pick the SEC....there are certain truisms when you speculate about all of this realignment stuff...
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
Yes, the disussion is about Texas the school, not the state. Seriously, tell me who else on here has agreed with you that Rice and Houston would make a good tandem addition to the ACC?

Houston and Rice are the equivalent quality of Memphis and Tulane.
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-23-2015 02:48 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 02:38 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I would view Texas vs UNC as a top game. It's definitely better than GT/Wake/NC State vs UNC, and maybe better than UVA vs UNC, too. Only games that are definitely better is the Duke vs UNC series. Texas has made 24 NCAAT in the last 27 years.

What I meant by that was that I don't think UNC fans would view it as a top game for them - that is, one of the games they would want to have as one of their precious few home-and-home games in an 18 game schedule. And I don't think that Louisville, Syracuse or Duke would put a game against Texas in that category either. I think they'd all rather have more games against each other than against Texas.

ya they would....and you'd have to think Texas recruiting for basketball would go up with ACC access

Texas has great potential for sports....there's really no excuse for them to not be winning in all sports on a yearly basis
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(04-23-2015 03:14 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Yes, the disussion is about Texas the school, not the state. Seriously, tell me who else on here has agreed with you that Rice and Houston would make a good tandem addition to the ACC?

Houston and Rice are the equivalent quality of Memphis and Tulane.

I don't think people have really agreed or disagreed....you're the only one with a strong opinion against it. You can keep saying the thing about Memphis and Tulane, but that's not going to make it true

the bottomline in all of this expansion stuff is markets, and one of the key ingredients in winning in college football is recruiting....

Texas schools dominate both categories. I don't think anyone would argue that
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(04-23-2015 03:22 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
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(04-23-2015 02:38 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I would view Texas vs UNC as a top game. It's definitely better than GT/Wake/NC State vs UNC, and maybe better than UVA vs UNC, too. Only games that are definitely better is the Duke vs UNC series. Texas has made 24 NCAAT in the last 27 years.

What I meant by that was that I don't think UNC fans would view it as a top game for them - that is, one of the games they would want to have as one of their precious few home-and-home games in an 18 game schedule. And I don't think that Louisville, Syracuse or Duke would put a game against Texas in that category either. I think they'd all rather have more games against each other than against Texas.

ya they would....and you'd have to think Texas recruiting for basketball would go up with ACC access

Texas has great potential for sports....there's really no excuse for them to not be winning in all sports on a yearly basis

Which of those four schools - Duke, UNC, Louisville and Syracuse - would be willing to give up a home and home against one of the others in order to get a home and home with Texas?

As for recruiting, UT might improve its recruiting outside Texas, but on the whole their recruiting within Texas would probably suffer. At best it's a wash.
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-23-2015 03:32 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 03:14 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Yes, the disussion is about Texas the school, not the state. Seriously, tell me who else on here has agreed with you that Rice and Houston would make a good tandem addition to the ACC?

Houston and Rice are the equivalent quality of Memphis and Tulane.

I don't think people have really agreed or disagreed....you're the only one with a strong opinion against it. You can keep saying the thing about Memphis and Tulane, but that's not going to make it true

the bottomline in all of this expansion stuff is markets, and one of the key ingredients in winning in college football is recruiting....

Texas schools dominate both categories. I don't think anyone would argue that

I gotta side with Marge on this one. If you took a poll of all the posters on this site about whether the tandem of Houston and Rice would be a good add for the ACC, you might not get 100% saying no, but I'd be very surprised if the number were below 95%.

As for whether Houston and Rice as a tandem are equivalent to Memphis and Tulane, that number might drop to 80% or so.

And I think you'd get a lot of people who would argue that Texas schools dominate both markets and recruiting. Hold their own? Perhaps. Dominate, no.
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-23-2015 03:47 PM)ken d Wrote:  
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(04-23-2015 03:14 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Yes, the disussion is about Texas the school, not the state. Seriously, tell me who else on here has agreed with you that Rice and Houston would make a good tandem addition to the ACC?

Houston and Rice are the equivalent quality of Memphis and Tulane.

I don't think people have really agreed or disagreed....you're the only one with a strong opinion against it. You can keep saying the thing about Memphis and Tulane, but that's not going to make it true

the bottomline in all of this expansion stuff is markets, and one of the key ingredients in winning in college football is recruiting....

Texas schools dominate both categories. I don't think anyone would argue that

I gotta side with Marge on this one. If you took a poll of all the posters on this site about whether the tandem of Houston and Rice would be a good add for the ACC, you might not get 100% saying no, but I'd be very surprised if the number were below 95%.

As for whether Houston and Rice as a tandem are equivalent to Memphis and Tulane, that number might drop to 80% or so.

And I think you'd get a lot of people who would argue that Texas schools dominate both markets and recruiting. Hold their own? Perhaps. Dominate, no.
Absolutely. I'm all for adding Texas schools as long as they're of the caliber of TCU/Baylor. In no way shape or form would I support adding Houston/Rice/SMU. I'm not saying they're bad schools (cause they're not), but why would we go for them when we have a legitimate shot at pulling better ones.
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(04-23-2015 02:38 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I would view Texas vs UNC as a top game. It's definitely better than GT/Wake/NC State vs UNC, and maybe better than UVA vs UNC, too. Only games that are definitely better is the Duke vs UNC series. Texas has made 24 NCAAT in the last 27 years.

I dont believe that there are many ACC schools that would view Texas as a big game. And there are definitely more games than Duke/UNC that would be bigger games than Texas/UNC. Duke/UNC/Louisville/Syracuse. Any game between those four schools would be a bigger game than any of those teams against Texas, as well as Texas/UNC. Texas hasnt been as good as any of those schools, nor does Texas get tv ratings like those four.
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(04-23-2015 01:54 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 01:52 PM)ken d Wrote:  Because they would prefer to be the western wing of an eastern conference rather than the eastern wing of a western conference. It makes a world of difference in TV exposure and travel convenience.

They don't want their televised away games airing two hours later when they could instead be aired one hour sooner (and to a bigger audience). And when their teams are playing away from home, they want to be gaining back that hour on the return trip travelling west instead of losing two hours traveling east.

while that's true, I don't think that's a convincing argument....if Texas is going to go in full throttle, why the ACC over the PAC 12 or even the Big 10?? I honestly don't think Texas would care about your argument at that point

FWIW, I saw Texas' former AD Deloss Dodds speak at a luncheon in which he specifically referred to eastern travel for Olympics sports and the eastern start times and media coverage as far superior over the PAC 12.
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(04-23-2015 04:29 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 02:38 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I would view Texas vs UNC as a top game. It's definitely better than GT/Wake/NC State vs UNC, and maybe better than UVA vs UNC, too. Only games that are definitely better is the Duke vs UNC series. Texas has made 24 NCAAT in the last 27 years.

I dont believe that there are many ACC schools that would view Texas as a big game. And there are definitely more games than Duke/UNC that would be bigger games than Texas/UNC. Duke/UNC/Louisville/Syracuse. Any game between those four schools would be a bigger game than any of those teams against Texas, as well as Texas/UNC. Texas hasnt been as good as any of those schools, nor does Texas get tv ratings like those four.

I was actually talking about nationally televised games. Which would be "big" games for ESPN to promote? Texas against those top 4 ACC programs are most definitely "big" games.

That's why I listed Texas as being better than ACC basketball fan favorites GT, Wake, NC State and possibly UVA.
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Marge...I consider UT in hoops about the same as NCSt. Really to a Cuse fan, UT is not that big of a deal. We look forward to in no particular order: UNC, Duke, Louisville, UConn, GTown UK, AZ, UCLA, Mich St and Kansas...just missing the list IU, UF, tOSU and Michigan. GTown is there as an archrival to Cuse and I thin kit would be missing from most folks' Top 10.

You are right for TV it would draw Top 10 brand like ratings though.
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This proposal, while having some nice ideas in parts of it is just not realistic. It would be the largest realignment at once to happen in the last 10 years of major conference reshuffling.

There are politics involved, with Texas having to bring Texas Tech and OU having to bring Okie State along as we learned in that rumored 4some to Pac 12 a few years ago. I don't see the ACC interested in T Tech and Okie State, partially academically (already helping us UL folks ramp up our academia) With the B12 having a GOR, I have to think the powers that be in both of those states would look to use the GOR as leverage to make sure those other 2 schools didn't get left behind.

The recent approval for the B12 and ACC on the conference champ game solidified the B12 and made the 2 big cats happy in that conference and gave us in the ACC some versatility to do some things....most likely the obvious/not so obvious revising of the schedule for more big time regular season games on ESPN family and ACCN, in addition to putting the two top teams in the ACC champ game. I'm not sure if it moves us to pods just yet, without adding Notre Dame full time, but it at least set up that option too.
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I think I've made it clear that my personal preference if the ACC wants Texas is to take them only as a full member and in conjunction with adding three other Texahoma schools. That being said, I understand that may not be doable, and there may be more sentiment for giving Texas a sweetheart deal along the lines of Notre Dame's arrangement. If that were to happen, here is how I would structure that deal.

I would divide the league into two divisions of 8 teams each for all sports. I would realign the divisions largely along geographical lines, with primarily old ACC teams in one division and old Big East teams in the other. Each team would have one permanent crossover opponent. Notre Dame would be in the Big East division and Texas would be in the ACC division (from now on I'll call them north and south).

In football, Notre Dame would play 3 teams in their division every year, and the remaining four teams every other year. Texas would do the same in its division. In addition, Notre Dame and Texas would play each other every year. Neither team would be eligible for the conference championship, but could play in the Orange Bowl when the ACC champ is in the CFP. Texas and Notre Dame get to keep their home league games in their own TV contract. However, the ACC would own the rights to the annual game between them.

In basketball, each division would play a full double round robin. Each team would have two permanent cross division partners and play two other OOD teams on a rotating basis, for a total of 18 league games a year.

These would be the divisions and permanent partners:

South..............FB partner

Florida State......Miami
Clemson............Louisville
Ga Tech.............Pitt
NC State...........Wake Forest
UNC..................Virginia Tech
Duke.................Syracuse
Virginia..............BC
Texas................FSU, Clemson, GT

North

Notre Dame.......BC, Pitt, Miami

Basketball partners

Florida State.......Miami, Pitt
Clemson.............Wake Forest, Pitt
Ga Tech..............Notre Dame, BC
NC State............Wake Forest, Va Tech
UNC...................Syracuse, Louisville
Duke..................Syracuse, Louisville
Virginia...............Virginia Tech, Notre Dame
Texas.................Miami, BC
Notre Dame........Virginia, Ga Tech
BC.....................Texas, Ga Tech
Pitt....................Clemson, Florida State
Louisville............UNC, Duke
Syracuse............UNC, Duke
Va Tech............. NC State, Virginia
Miami.................Florida State, Texas
Wake Forest........NC State, Clemson

....................................................................................................................

Wake Forest has gotten the dirty end of the stick in all this, so as a concession to them UNC, Virginia and Duke will agree to schedule them OOC in football in the years when they don't meet in conference.

Because every other school will be greatly inconvenienced when they have to travel to Texas for a midweek basketball game, the Horns will agree to start those games at 7PM eastern time unless they can be scheduled when the visiting team is on spring break.

Bottom line, Florida State's FB schedule would look like this every year:

Clemson
Ga Tech
Miami
Texas
NC State
UNC
Duke
Virginia
Florida
ACC North rotating
FBS buy game
FCS buy game

The main purpose behind all this is to give the strongest in each sport a respectable schedule every year, while giving the other teams a fair shot at qualifying for postseason play every year. Also, to maximize the number of league games that would be of national TV interest.

As I said, it's not my first choice, but I could live with it.
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(04-24-2015 08:41 AM)ken d Wrote:  I think I've made it clear that my personal preference if the ACC wants Texas is to take them only as a full member and in conjunction with adding three other Texahoma schools. That being said, I understand that may not be doable, and there may be more sentiment for giving Texas a sweetheart deal along the lines of Notre Dame's arrangement. If that were to happen, here is how I would structure that deal.

I would divide the league into two divisions of 8 teams each for all sports. I would realign the divisions largely along geographical lines, with primarily old ACC teams in one division and old Big East teams in the other. Each team would have one permanent crossover opponent. Notre Dame would be in the Big East division and Texas would be in the ACC division (from now on I'll call them north and south).

In football, Notre Dame would play 3 teams in their division every year, and the remaining four teams every other year. Texas would do the same in its division. In addition, Notre Dame and Texas would play each other every year. Neither team would be eligible for the conference championship, but could play in the Orange Bowl when the ACC champ is in the CFP. Texas and Notre Dame get to keep their home league games in their own TV contract. However, the ACC would own the rights to the annual game between them.

In basketball, each division would play a full double round robin. Each team would have two permanent cross division partners and play two other OOD teams on a rotating basis, for a total of 18 league games a year.

These would be the divisions and permanent partners:

South..............FB partner

Florida State......Miami
Clemson............Louisville
Ga Tech.............Pitt
NC State...........Wake Forest
UNC..................Virginia Tech
Duke.................Syracuse
Virginia..............BC
Texas................FSU, Clemson, GT

North

Notre Dame.......BC, Pitt, Miami

Basketball partners

Florida State.......Miami, Pitt
Clemson.............Wake Forest, Pitt
Ga Tech..............Notre Dame, BC
NC State............Wake Forest, Va Tech
UNC...................Syracuse, Louisville
Duke..................Syracuse, Louisville
Virginia...............Virginia Tech, Notre Dame
Texas.................Miami, BC
Notre Dame........Virginia, Ga Tech
BC.....................Texas, Ga Tech
Pitt....................Clemson, Florida State
Louisville............UNC, Duke
Syracuse............UNC, Duke
Va Tech............. NC State, Virginia
Miami.................Florida State, Texas
Wake Forest........NC State, Clemson

....................................................................................................................

Wake Forest has gotten the dirty end of the stick in all this, so as a concession to them UNC, Virginia and Duke will agree to schedule them OOC in football in the years when they don't meet in conference.

Because every other school will be greatly inconvenienced when they have to travel to Texas for a midweek basketball game, the Horns will agree to start those games at 7PM eastern time unless they can be scheduled when the visiting team is on spring break.

Bottom line, Florida State's FB schedule would look like this every year:

Clemson
Ga Tech
Miami
Texas
NC State
UNC
Duke
Virginia
Florida
ACC North rotating
FBS buy game
FCS buy game

The main purpose behind all this is to give the strongest in each sport a respectable schedule every year, while giving the other teams a fair shot at qualifying for postseason play every year. Also, to maximize the number of league games that would be of national TV interest.

As I said, it's not my first choice, but I could live with it.


I doubt that bolded part would ever fly with NBC or ND.
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-24-2015 11:19 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(04-24-2015 08:41 AM)ken d Wrote:  I think I've made it clear that my personal preference if the ACC wants Texas is to take them only as a full member and in conjunction with adding three other Texahoma schools. That being said, I understand that may not be doable, and there may be more sentiment for giving Texas a sweetheart deal along the lines of Notre Dame's arrangement. If that were to happen, here is how I would structure that deal.

I would divide the league into two divisions of 8 teams each for all sports. I would realign the divisions largely along geographical lines, with primarily old ACC teams in one division and old Big East teams in the other. Each team would have one permanent crossover opponent. Notre Dame would be in the Big East division and Texas would be in the ACC division (from now on I'll call them north and south).

In football, Notre Dame would play 3 teams in their division every year, and the remaining four teams every other year. Texas would do the same in its division. In addition, Notre Dame and Texas would play each other every year. Neither team would be eligible for the conference championship, but could play in the Orange Bowl when the ACC champ is in the CFP. Texas and Notre Dame get to keep their home league games in their own TV contract. However, the ACC would own the rights to the annual game between them.

In basketball, each division would play a full double round robin. Each team would have two permanent cross division partners and play two other OOD teams on a rotating basis, for a total of 18 league games a year.

These would be the divisions and permanent partners:

South..............FB partner

Florida State......Miami
Clemson............Louisville
Ga Tech.............Pitt
NC State...........Wake Forest
UNC..................Virginia Tech
Duke.................Syracuse
Virginia..............BC
Texas................FSU, Clemson, GT

North

Notre Dame.......BC, Pitt, Miami

Basketball partners

Florida State.......Miami, Pitt
Clemson.............Wake Forest, Pitt
Ga Tech..............Notre Dame, BC
NC State............Wake Forest, Va Tech
UNC...................Syracuse, Louisville
Duke..................Syracuse, Louisville
Virginia...............Virginia Tech, Notre Dame
Texas.................Miami, BC
Notre Dame........Virginia, Ga Tech
BC.....................Texas, Ga Tech
Pitt....................Clemson, Florida State
Louisville............UNC, Duke
Syracuse............UNC, Duke
Va Tech............. NC State, Virginia
Miami.................Florida State, Texas
Wake Forest........NC State, Clemson

....................................................................................................................

Wake Forest has gotten the dirty end of the stick in all this, so as a concession to them UNC, Virginia and Duke will agree to schedule them OOC in football in the years when they don't meet in conference.

Because every other school will be greatly inconvenienced when they have to travel to Texas for a midweek basketball game, the Horns will agree to start those games at 7PM eastern time unless they can be scheduled when the visiting team is on spring break.

Bottom line, Florida State's FB schedule would look like this every year:

Clemson
Ga Tech
Miami
Texas
NC State
UNC
Duke
Virginia
Florida
ACC North rotating
FBS buy game
FCS buy game

The main purpose behind all this is to give the strongest in each sport a respectable schedule every year, while giving the other teams a fair shot at qualifying for postseason play every year. Also, to maximize the number of league games that would be of national TV interest.

As I said, it's not my first choice, but I could live with it.


I doubt that bolded part would ever fly with NBC or ND.

It would certainly be a sticking point in negotiations. Maybe the answer is just to require that when it's a Texas home game the conference gets to keep the rights. After all, Texas is getting a lot here - they have to give up something.

But other than that, how do you think Notre dame would view something like this?
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-24-2015 08:41 AM)ken d Wrote:  I think I've made it clear that my personal preference if the ACC wants Texas is to take them only as a full member and in conjunction with adding three other Texahoma schools. That being said, I understand that may not be doable, and there may be more sentiment for giving Texas a sweetheart deal along the lines of Notre Dame's arrangement. If that were to happen, here is how I would structure that deal.

I would divide the league into two divisions of 8 teams each for all sports. I would realign the divisions largely along geographical lines, with primarily old ACC teams in one division and old Big East teams in the other. Each team would have one permanent crossover opponent. Notre Dame would be in the Big East division and Texas would be in the ACC division (from now on I'll call them north and south).

In football, Notre Dame would play 3 teams in their division every year, and the remaining four teams every other year. Texas would do the same in its division. In addition, Notre Dame and Texas would play each other every year. Neither team would be eligible for the conference championship, but could play in the Orange Bowl when the ACC champ is in the CFP. Texas and Notre Dame get to keep their home league games in their own TV contract. However, the ACC would own the rights to the annual game between them.

In basketball, each division would play a full double round robin. Each team would have two permanent cross division partners and play two other OOD teams on a rotating basis, for a total of 18 league games a year.

These would be the divisions and permanent partners:

South..............FB partner

Florida State......Miami
Clemson............Louisville
Ga Tech.............Pitt
NC State...........Wake Forest
UNC..................Virginia Tech
Duke.................Syracuse
Virginia..............BC
Texas................FSU, Clemson, GT

North

Notre Dame.......BC, Pitt, Miami

Basketball partners

Florida State.......Miami, Pitt
Clemson.............Wake Forest, Pitt
Ga Tech..............Notre Dame, BC
NC State............Wake Forest, Va Tech
UNC...................Syracuse, Louisville
Duke..................Syracuse, Louisville
Virginia...............Virginia Tech, Notre Dame
Texas.................Miami, BC
Notre Dame........Virginia, Ga Tech
BC.....................Texas, Ga Tech
Pitt....................Clemson, Florida State
Louisville............UNC, Duke
Syracuse............UNC, Duke
Va Tech............. NC State, Virginia
Miami.................Florida State, Texas
Wake Forest........NC State, Clemson

....................................................................................................................

Wake Forest has gotten the dirty end of the stick in all this, so as a concession to them UNC, Virginia and Duke will agree to schedule them OOC in football in the years when they don't meet in conference.

Because every other school will be greatly inconvenienced when they have to travel to Texas for a midweek basketball game, the Horns will agree to start those games at 7PM eastern time unless they can be scheduled when the visiting team is on spring break.

Bottom line, Florida State's FB schedule would look like this every year:

Clemson
Ga Tech
Miami
Texas
NC State
UNC
Duke
Virginia
Florida
ACC North rotating
FBS buy game
FCS buy game

The main purpose behind all this is to give the strongest in each sport a respectable schedule every year, while giving the other teams a fair shot at qualifying for postseason play every year. Also, to maximize the number of league games that would be of national TV interest.

As I said, it's not my first choice, but I could live with it.

Wait just a minute Ken D!
You are starting to flop around just like a flag in a March wind.
When this thread started you gave away NC State and Virginia Tech to the SEC (which is a stupid idea). Now you have them back in the conference again. Make up your mind or put another crazy proposal in another thread.
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