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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-21-2015 07:52 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
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(04-21-2015 03:51 PM)opossum Wrote:  I don't think we'd take more than one partial/transitional member at a time.

I think that the ACC might do that for Texas. It would be a smart move, in my opinion.

Also Southern California and the University of Florida... but that's my limit.

What? Heck no. USC is too far west. UF isn't "needed" like a Texas could be. If anything, Ohio State and Michigan would be worthy of similar deals, but that's about it.

And TerryD is right. It'd be smart to give Texas a similar deal to Notre Dame if that's what it took. I don't know if that would make the ACC more or less stable, but it's better than the alternative of letting Texas slip away to a different conference and allowing the ACC to fall farther behind.

It's a strategic move, Marge... take UF just to get the SEC out of Florida.
And I'd still take USC even if they are 2,000 miles away - just for the away games!

Uhh...
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-21-2015 05:47 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
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(04-21-2015 11:18 AM)orangefan Wrote:  If Texas eventually wants to move, it will have its choice among the B1G, SEC, P12 and ACC. The ACC's only advantage in such a competition would be its ability to offer partial membership a la Notre Dame, which would allow Texas to make its own national deal for football.

I don't think we'd take more than one partial/transitional member at a time.

I think that the ACC might do that for Texas. It would be a smart move, in my opinion.

Smart for whom? What's in it for Texas? Except for football, all of their teams would be in a conference whose members range from a minimum of about 850 miles away to nearly 2000 miles away. That's a lot of travel, even for Texas. And in none of those sports would Texas have any kind of rivalry interest with their opponents and vice versa. And how interested would fans in the ACC markets be in a network devoted to all things UT? Or do you believe that Texas would share the LHN with their new friends?

Frankly, I'd just as soon not have anything to do with Texas unless they came to the ACC as a package deal with three other excellent football programs.
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-22-2015 03:31 PM)ken d Wrote:  
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(04-21-2015 03:51 PM)opossum Wrote:  
(04-21-2015 11:18 AM)orangefan Wrote:  If Texas eventually wants to move, it will have its choice among the B1G, SEC, P12 and ACC. The ACC's only advantage in such a competition would be its ability to offer partial membership a la Notre Dame, which would allow Texas to make its own national deal for football.

I don't think we'd take more than one partial/transitional member at a time.

I think that the ACC might do that for Texas. It would be a smart move, in my opinion.

Smart for whom? What's in it for Texas? Except for football, all of their teams would be in a conference whose members range from a minimum of about 850 miles away to nearly 2000 miles away. That's a lot of travel, even for Texas. And in none of those sports would Texas have any kind of rivalry interest with their opponents and vice versa. And how interested would fans in the ACC markets be in a network devoted to all things UT? Or do you believe that Texas would share the LHN with their new friends?

Frankly, I'd just as soon not have anything to do with Texas unless they came to the ACC as a package deal with three other excellent football programs.

I think if Texas did come, it would be exactly like the ND deal.....Texas sports, specifically basketball, would benefit a lot

They would want to keep their network though, and stay indy in football. And why not have a deal like that? With the lingering threat of the Big 10 and SEC picking off ACC teams down the road, why not bring in schools who'd have an incentive in keeping a functional ACC
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
Personally, I'd pick up Houston and Rice, and call it a done deal for now.....break out into 4 scheduling pods:

North Carolina-NC State-Wake Forest-Duke
Florida State-Clemson-Louisville-Houston
Miami-Boston College-Syracuse-Rice
Georgia Tech-Virginia Tech-Virginia-Pitt


Select the top two teams for the ACC fb championship.
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Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-23-2015 08:09 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Personally, I'd pick up Houston and Rice, and call it a done deal for now.....break out into 4 scheduling pods:

North Carolina-NC State-Wake Forest-Duke
Florida State-Clemson-Louisville-Houston
Miami-Boston College-Syracuse-Rice
Georgia Tech-Virginia Tech-Virginia-Pitt


Select the top two teams for the ACC fb championship.

Expanding into Texas only makes sense with UT and no LHN. However, if carriage fees for the coming accn made it profitable to take other Texas teams, we should grab Houston and SMU to get both Dallas and Houston metro areas. Either way, I can't see the acc adding Texas teams without UT.
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-23-2015 08:27 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 08:09 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Personally, I'd pick up Houston and Rice, and call it a done deal for now.....break out into 4 scheduling pods:

North Carolina-NC State-Wake Forest-Duke
Florida State-Clemson-Louisville-Houston
Miami-Boston College-Syracuse-Rice
Georgia Tech-Virginia Tech-Virginia-Pitt


Select the top two teams for the ACC fb championship.

Expanding into Texas only makes sense with UT and no LHN. However, if carriage fees for the coming accn made it profitable to take other Texas teams, we should grab Houston and SMU to get both Dallas and Houston metro areas. Either way, I can't see the acc adding Texas teams without UT.

I'd much rather have TCU as #16 in this scenario. My gut tells me TCU has a legit shot at a national championship in football. Of course, my gut also tells me it's time to eat, so take that FWIW...
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-23-2015 08:48 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 08:27 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 08:09 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Personally, I'd pick up Houston and Rice, and call it a done deal for now.....break out into 4 scheduling pods:

North Carolina-NC State-Wake Forest-Duke
Florida State-Clemson-Louisville-Houston
Miami-Boston College-Syracuse-Rice
Georgia Tech-Virginia Tech-Virginia-Pitt


Select the top two teams for the ACC fb championship.

Expanding into Texas only makes sense with UT and no LHN. However, if carriage fees for the coming accn made it profitable to take other Texas teams, we should grab Houston and SMU to get both Dallas and Houston metro areas. Either way, I can't see the acc adding Texas teams without UT.

I'd much rather have TCU as #16 in this scenario. My gut tells me TCU has a legit shot at a national championship in football. Of course, my gut also tells me it's time to eat, so take that FWIW...

ya...I'm not so hot on TCU and Baylor. I think they're anomalies....10 years from now, are they still going to be good? TCU is a small private school as well.

You could say the same about Rice, but I think they fit better as a travel partner with Houston. Half of the ACC would be traveling to the Houston metro area every year. It's a recruiting boost, especially for many of the northeast ACC schools.....they need it
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
I personally think the ACC could do a lot better than Houston and Rice/SMU if you're looking at Texas schools. The Big 12 is the low man on the P5 totem pole right now. I think TCU could be swooned and would do us much better than having Houston.
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-23-2015 10:14 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 08:48 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 08:27 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 08:09 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Personally, I'd pick up Houston and Rice, and call it a done deal for now.....break out into 4 scheduling pods:

North Carolina-NC State-Wake Forest-Duke
Florida State-Clemson-Louisville-Houston
Miami-Boston College-Syracuse-Rice
Georgia Tech-Virginia Tech-Virginia-Pitt


Select the top two teams for the ACC fb championship.

Expanding into Texas only makes sense with UT and no LHN. However, if carriage fees for the coming accn made it profitable to take other Texas teams, we should grab Houston and SMU to get both Dallas and Houston metro areas. Either way, I can't see the acc adding Texas teams without UT.

I'd much rather have TCU as #16 in this scenario. My gut tells me TCU has a legit shot at a national championship in football. Of course, my gut also tells me it's time to eat, so take that FWIW...

ya...I'm not so hot on TCU and Baylor. I think they're anomalies....10 years from now, are they still going to be good? TCU is a small private school as well.

You could say the same about Rice, but I think they fit better as a travel partner with Houston. Half of the ACC would be traveling to the Houston metro area every year. It's a recruiting boost, especially for many of the northeast ACC schools.....they need it
I don't think there's anything wrong with small private schools. Look at Stanford. They're small, private, and not going anywhere.
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-23-2015 07:40 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(04-22-2015 03:31 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(04-21-2015 05:47 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(04-21-2015 03:51 PM)opossum Wrote:  
(04-21-2015 11:18 AM)orangefan Wrote:  If Texas eventually wants to move, it will have its choice among the B1G, SEC, P12 and ACC. The ACC's only advantage in such a competition would be its ability to offer partial membership a la Notre Dame, which would allow Texas to make its own national deal for football.

I don't think we'd take more than one partial/transitional member at a time.

I think that the ACC might do that for Texas. It would be a smart move, in my opinion.

Smart for whom? What's in it for Texas? Except for football, all of their teams would be in a conference whose members range from a minimum of about 850 miles away to nearly 2000 miles away. That's a lot of travel, even for Texas. And in none of those sports would Texas have any kind of rivalry interest with their opponents and vice versa. And how interested would fans in the ACC markets be in a network devoted to all things UT? Or do you believe that Texas would share the LHN with their new friends?

Frankly, I'd just as soon not have anything to do with Texas unless they came to the ACC as a package deal with three other excellent football programs.

I think if Texas did come, it would be exactly like the ND deal.....Texas sports, specifically basketball, would benefit a lot

They would want to keep their network though, and stay indy in football. And why not have a deal like that? With the lingering threat of the Big 10 and SEC picking off ACC teams down the road, why not bring in schools who'd have an incentive in keeping a functional ACC

How would Texas basketball benefit? They would be moving from a conference that had 70% of its members in the NCAAT to one which had 40% invited. They would play 9 away games a year, the nearest of which would be 850 miles away. On average, they would play 4.5 weeknight away games a year, with the same travel problems.

Other sports (except women's basketball) might not have to deal with the midweek scheduling problem as much, but they still have major travel issues. So, where is the benefit?
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(04-23-2015 11:34 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  I personally think the ACC could do a lot better than Houston and Rice/SMU if you're looking at Texas schools. The Big 12 is the low man on the P5 totem pole right now. I think TCU could be swooned and would do us much better than having Houston.

well, I'm not really ANTI Texas schools....if the ACC could pull it off, go for it.

IMO, I like Houston and Rice as a tandem best, but my main argument is #15 and #16 should be Texas schools. Recruiting and Markets, that's what its about
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(04-23-2015 11:41 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 07:40 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(04-22-2015 03:31 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(04-21-2015 05:47 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(04-21-2015 03:51 PM)opossum Wrote:  I don't think we'd take more than one partial/transitional member at a time.

I think that the ACC might do that for Texas. It would be a smart move, in my opinion.

Smart for whom? What's in it for Texas? Except for football, all of their teams would be in a conference whose members range from a minimum of about 850 miles away to nearly 2000 miles away. That's a lot of travel, even for Texas. And in none of those sports would Texas have any kind of rivalry interest with their opponents and vice versa. And how interested would fans in the ACC markets be in a network devoted to all things UT? Or do you believe that Texas would share the LHN with their new friends?

Frankly, I'd just as soon not have anything to do with Texas unless they came to the ACC as a package deal with three other excellent football programs.

I think if Texas did come, it would be exactly like the ND deal.....Texas sports, specifically basketball, would benefit a lot

They would want to keep their network though, and stay indy in football. And why not have a deal like that? With the lingering threat of the Big 10 and SEC picking off ACC teams down the road, why not bring in schools who'd have an incentive in keeping a functional ACC

How would Texas basketball benefit? They would be moving from a conference that had 70% of its members in the NCAAT to one which had 40% invited. They would play 9 away games a year, the nearest of which would be 850 miles away. On average, they would play 4.5 weeknight away games a year, with the same travel problems.

Other sports (except women's basketball) might not have to deal with the midweek scheduling problem as much, but they still have major travel issues. So, where is the benefit?

Sorry, but ACC basketball is light years better than Big XII basketball. The northeast/eastern U.S. may blow chunks in football, but they dominate in basketball. The Big East and ACC are tops in bball. Texas basketball would go from a regional perspective to primetime. I'm sure that would look good for Longhorn network subscriberes....Texas-Duke and Texas-NC

The problem with UT in general is that they've reached a point where they're a national power...if not in sports, in simply athletic potential. The perception of UT has grown to new heights....the Big 10 or PAC 12 would take them in a heartbeat.

BUT....they still insist on this regional landscape for themselves, similar to how ND clings to football independence

Texas could do a lot better than the Big XII....A LOT better
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-23-2015 08:27 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 08:09 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Personally, I'd pick up Houston and Rice, and call it a done deal for now.....break out into 4 scheduling pods:

North Carolina-NC State-Wake Forest-Duke
Florida State-Clemson-Louisville-Houston
Miami-Boston College-Syracuse-Rice
Georgia Tech-Virginia Tech-Virginia-Pitt


Select the top two teams for the ACC fb championship.

Expanding into Texas only makes sense with UT and no LHN. However, if carriage fees for the coming accn made it profitable to take other Texas teams, we should grab Houston and SMU to get both Dallas and Houston metro areas. Either way, I can't see the acc adding Texas teams without UT.

1. Houston and Rice is a horrible idea. That's like taking Memphis and Tulane in terms of quality. And they're both in the same city. Why on earth would that make any sense whatsoever?

2. Texas can keep their network just like Notre Dame has their NBC deal. SAME thing. The "making sense" part would be the 5 ACC games/year in football. But if Texas were truly looking at the ACC, they likely wouldn't be able to leave without another TX school or two and would want to keep OU. So just offer all of them and Texas may join as a full member. (But that's ONLY if Texas is seriously interested in joining the ACC, which is not the case at present.)
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-23-2015 01:25 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 08:27 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 08:09 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Personally, I'd pick up Houston and Rice, and call it a done deal for now.....break out into 4 scheduling pods:

North Carolina-NC State-Wake Forest-Duke
Florida State-Clemson-Louisville-Houston
Miami-Boston College-Syracuse-Rice
Georgia Tech-Virginia Tech-Virginia-Pitt


Select the top two teams for the ACC fb championship.

Expanding into Texas only makes sense with UT and no LHN. However, if carriage fees for the coming accn made it profitable to take other Texas teams, we should grab Houston and SMU to get both Dallas and Houston metro areas. Either way, I can't see the acc adding Texas teams without UT.

1. Houston and Rice is a horrible idea. That's like taking Memphis and Tulane in terms of quality. And they're both in the same city. Why on earth would that make any sense whatsoever?

2. Texas can keep their network just like Notre Dame has their NBC deal. SAME thing. The "making sense" part would be the 5 ACC games/year in football. But if Texas were truly looking at the ACC, they likely wouldn't be able to leave without another TX school or two and would want to keep OU. So just offer all of them and Texas may join as a full member. (But that's ONLY if Texas is seriously interested in joining the ACC, which is not the case at present.)

Jim Delaney would wet his pants if Texas and Oklahoma both joined the ACC.
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-23-2015 01:25 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 08:27 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 08:09 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Personally, I'd pick up Houston and Rice, and call it a done deal for now.....break out into 4 scheduling pods:

North Carolina-NC State-Wake Forest-Duke
Florida State-Clemson-Louisville-Houston
Miami-Boston College-Syracuse-Rice
Georgia Tech-Virginia Tech-Virginia-Pitt


Select the top two teams for the ACC fb championship.

Expanding into Texas only makes sense with UT and no LHN. However, if carriage fees for the coming accn made it profitable to take other Texas teams, we should grab Houston and SMU to get both Dallas and Houston metro areas. Either way, I can't see the acc adding Texas teams without UT.

1. Houston and Rice is a horrible idea. That's like taking Memphis and Tulane in terms of quality. And they're both in the same city. Why on earth would that make any sense whatsoever?

2. Texas can keep their network just like Notre Dame has their NBC deal. SAME thing. The "making sense" part would be the 5 ACC games/year in football. But if Texas were truly looking at the ACC, they likely wouldn't be able to leave without another TX school or two and would want to keep OU. So just offer all of them and Texas may join as a full member. (But that's ONLY if Texas is seriously interested in joining the ACC, which is not the case at present.)

1. I'm assuming Texas, TCU, and Baylor wouldn't join if the ACC offered....so there's that. Also, Memphis and Tulane aren't in Texas...the Memphis and New Orleans markets aren't quite Texas-size. Houston just got a new stadium and wants to be big time. Rice already has a big stadium. Tulane is trying not to shut their doors on athletics...

2. If Texas had to have OU and two other Texas schools to be brought along for full membership....why wouldn't they just go to the PAC 12....?
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-23-2015 01:39 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 01:25 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 08:27 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 08:09 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Personally, I'd pick up Houston and Rice, and call it a done deal for now.....break out into 4 scheduling pods:

North Carolina-NC State-Wake Forest-Duke
Florida State-Clemson-Louisville-Houston
Miami-Boston College-Syracuse-Rice
Georgia Tech-Virginia Tech-Virginia-Pitt


Select the top two teams for the ACC fb championship.

Expanding into Texas only makes sense with UT and no LHN. However, if carriage fees for the coming accn made it profitable to take other Texas teams, we should grab Houston and SMU to get both Dallas and Houston metro areas. Either way, I can't see the acc adding Texas teams without UT.

1. Houston and Rice is a horrible idea. That's like taking Memphis and Tulane in terms of quality. And they're both in the same city. Why on earth would that make any sense whatsoever?

2. Texas can keep their network just like Notre Dame has their NBC deal. SAME thing. The "making sense" part would be the 5 ACC games/year in football. But if Texas were truly looking at the ACC, they likely wouldn't be able to leave without another TX school or two and would want to keep OU. So just offer all of them and Texas may join as a full member. (But that's ONLY if Texas is seriously interested in joining the ACC, which is not the case at present.)

Jim Delaney would wet his pants if Texas and Oklahoma both joined the ACC.

All the more reason to do it. For me, it's four Texahoma schools or none. UT, Oklahoma, Baylor and OK State would do the trick. But I agree with Marge. Texas isn't interested in joining the ACC. They just want to cherry pick the benefits the ACC could give them, leave the rest, and keep whatever benefit they might bring to the ACC (like an active network) for themselves. Why would the ACC want that?
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-23-2015 01:44 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 01:25 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 08:27 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 08:09 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Personally, I'd pick up Houston and Rice, and call it a done deal for now.....break out into 4 scheduling pods:

North Carolina-NC State-Wake Forest-Duke
Florida State-Clemson-Louisville-Houston
Miami-Boston College-Syracuse-Rice
Georgia Tech-Virginia Tech-Virginia-Pitt


Select the top two teams for the ACC fb championship.

Expanding into Texas only makes sense with UT and no LHN. However, if carriage fees for the coming accn made it profitable to take other Texas teams, we should grab Houston and SMU to get both Dallas and Houston metro areas. Either way, I can't see the acc adding Texas teams without UT.

1. Houston and Rice is a horrible idea. That's like taking Memphis and Tulane in terms of quality. And they're both in the same city. Why on earth would that make any sense whatsoever?

2. Texas can keep their network just like Notre Dame has their NBC deal. SAME thing. The "making sense" part would be the 5 ACC games/year in football. But if Texas were truly looking at the ACC, they likely wouldn't be able to leave without another TX school or two and would want to keep OU. So just offer all of them and Texas may join as a full member. (But that's ONLY if Texas is seriously interested in joining the ACC, which is not the case at present.)

1. I'm assuming Texas, TCU, and Baylor wouldn't join if the ACC offered....so there's that. Also, Memphis and Tulane aren't in Texas...the Memphis and New Orleans markets aren't quite Texas-size. Houston just got a new stadium and wants to be big time. Rice already has a big stadium. Tulane is trying not to shut their doors on athletics...

2. If Texas had to have OU and two other Texas schools to be brought along for full membership....why wouldn't they just go to the PAC 12....?

Because they would prefer to be the western wing of an eastern conference rather than the eastern wing of a western conference. It makes a world of difference in TV exposure and travel convenience.

They don't want their televised away games airing two hours later when they could instead be aired one hour sooner (and to a bigger audience). And when their teams are playing away from home, they want to be gaining back that hour on the return trip travelling west instead of losing two hours traveling east.
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(04-23-2015 01:52 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 01:44 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 01:25 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 08:27 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 08:09 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Personally, I'd pick up Houston and Rice, and call it a done deal for now.....break out into 4 scheduling pods:

North Carolina-NC State-Wake Forest-Duke
Florida State-Clemson-Louisville-Houston
Miami-Boston College-Syracuse-Rice
Georgia Tech-Virginia Tech-Virginia-Pitt


Select the top two teams for the ACC fb championship.

Expanding into Texas only makes sense with UT and no LHN. However, if carriage fees for the coming accn made it profitable to take other Texas teams, we should grab Houston and SMU to get both Dallas and Houston metro areas. Either way, I can't see the acc adding Texas teams without UT.

1. Houston and Rice is a horrible idea. That's like taking Memphis and Tulane in terms of quality. And they're both in the same city. Why on earth would that make any sense whatsoever?

2. Texas can keep their network just like Notre Dame has their NBC deal. SAME thing. The "making sense" part would be the 5 ACC games/year in football. But if Texas were truly looking at the ACC, they likely wouldn't be able to leave without another TX school or two and would want to keep OU. So just offer all of them and Texas may join as a full member. (But that's ONLY if Texas is seriously interested in joining the ACC, which is not the case at present.)

1. I'm assuming Texas, TCU, and Baylor wouldn't join if the ACC offered....so there's that. Also, Memphis and Tulane aren't in Texas...the Memphis and New Orleans markets aren't quite Texas-size. Houston just got a new stadium and wants to be big time. Rice already has a big stadium. Tulane is trying not to shut their doors on athletics...

2. If Texas had to have OU and two other Texas schools to be brought along for full membership....why wouldn't they just go to the PAC 12....?

Because they would prefer to be the western wing of an eastern conference rather than the eastern wing of a western conference. It makes a world of difference in TV exposure and travel convenience.

They don't want their televised away games airing two hours later when they could instead be aired one hour sooner (and to a bigger audience). And when their teams are playing away from home, they want to be gaining back that hour on the return trip travelling west instead of losing two hours traveling east.

while that's true, I don't think that's a convincing argument....if Texas is going to go in full throttle, why the ACC over the PAC 12 or even the Big 10?? I honestly don't think Texas would care about your argument at that point
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-23-2015 01:46 PM)ken d Wrote:  ...I agree with Marge. Texas isn't interested in joining the ACC. They just want to cherry pick the benefits the ACC could give them, leave the rest, and keep whatever benefit they might bring to the ACC (like an active network) for themselves. Why would the ACC want that?

I'm very cautious about Texas (they've stabbed too many conference mates in the back). If Texas got a "Notre Dame" style deal (all sports but football, with 5 games scheduled by the ACC and a provisional bowl slot), that would be fine with me... as long as the ACC could grab one of the Texas bowls (in addition to the Sun). Also, the Orange Bowl contract would need to be redrawn to allow either Notre Dame OR Texas - with the same $$$ split (favorable to the ACC).

If that happened, I'd like to see the league also invite TCU and possibly Baylor. That would essentially give the ACC 2.5 teams in the state of Texas. It would mean that every team in the league could play one game in Florida and another in Texas every other year. It would also mean 10 guaranteed national TV games every year, minimum.
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(04-23-2015 01:58 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 01:46 PM)ken d Wrote:  ...I agree with Marge. Texas isn't interested in joining the ACC. They just want to cherry pick the benefits the ACC could give them, leave the rest, and keep whatever benefit they might bring to the ACC (like an active network) for themselves. Why would the ACC want that?

I'm very cautious about Texas (they've stabbed too many conference mates in the back). If Texas got a "Notre Dame" style deal (all sports but football, with 5 games scheduled by the ACC and a provisional bowl slot), that would be fine with me... as long as the ACC could grab one of the Texas bowls (in addition to the Sun). Also, the Orange Bowl contract would need to be redrawn to allow either Notre Dame OR Texas - with the same $$$ split (favorable to the ACC).

If that happened, I'd like to see the league also invite TCU and possibly Baylor. That would essentially give the ACC 2.5 teams in the state of Texas. It would mean that every team in the league could play one game in Florida and another in Texas every other year. It would also mean 10 guaranteed national TV games every year, minimum.

There you go. That works for everyone (if there exists a reason for Texas to consider this).
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