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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(05-08-2015 12:24 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(05-08-2015 12:17 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(05-08-2015 12:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(05-07-2015 07:48 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(05-07-2015 06:52 AM)esayem Wrote:  Texas and Oklahoma in the ACC? Are you guys smoking rocks? What the hell happened to the good old fashioned, sensible realignment talk of our forefathers? You know, like "should we destroy the Big East or should we watch UNC beat the living daylights out of Clempson twice a year for eternity?"

Your "twice a year" comment gives you away.

The "good old fashioned" realignment talk went away when football became approx. 4X more valuable than basketball.

Any more questions?

You smoke rocks if you think the University of Oklahoma will ever be in the ACC. I understand there is nothing of importance to talk about, but jeez!

Texas Tech, OU, OSU, KSU, Baylor, and WVa all have their detractors in the ACC. Only Kansas, TCU, Texas, and ISU would start the process without at least one blackball.

The blackball reasons vary. TT is VERY far away and their administration has had public problems. OU and OSU present the ACC with a highly political president (Boren) and a university with a billionaire with direct influence in the program (Pickens). KSU is seen by some as a large community college. UVa, Duke, and GT have problems with WVa's admissions standards. With Baylor there is a religious issue. That's not to say that money, ESPN, and negotiations would not overcome these issues and those 6 would get the necessary 3/4th votes, but these issues are real for some.

The real problem with adding Texas, is that to keep them happy, you will have to schedule tournaments in Texas to keep them happy. Look at how unhappy FSU is to play a tournament in NC and then magnify that regional disparity. Once you add Texas, the geographic mid-point of the league moves to somewhere near Nashville.

Catholics are okay but not Baptist?

Why, sure!!!! :)
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(05-08-2015 12:24 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(05-08-2015 12:17 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(05-08-2015 12:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(05-07-2015 07:48 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(05-07-2015 06:52 AM)esayem Wrote:  Texas and Oklahoma in the ACC? Are you guys smoking rocks? What the hell happened to the good old fashioned, sensible realignment talk of our forefathers? You know, like "should we destroy the Big East or should we watch UNC beat the living daylights out of Clempson twice a year for eternity?"

Your "twice a year" comment gives you away.

The "good old fashioned" realignment talk went away when football became approx. 4X more valuable than basketball.

Any more questions?

You smoke rocks if you think the University of Oklahoma will ever be in the ACC. I understand there is nothing of importance to talk about, but jeez!

Texas Tech, OU, OSU, KSU, Baylor, and WVa all have their detractors in the ACC. Only Kansas, TCU, Texas, and ISU would start the process without at least one blackball.

The blackball reasons vary. TT is VERY far away and their administration has had public problems. OU and OSU present the ACC with a highly political president (Boren) and a university with a billionaire with direct influence in the program (Pickens). KSU is seen by some as a large community college. UVa, Duke, and GT have problems with WVa's admissions standards. With Baylor there is a religious issue. That's not to say that money, ESPN, and negotiations would not overcome these issues and those 6 would get the necessary 3/4th votes, but these issues are real for some.

The real problem with adding Texas, is that to keep them happy, you will have to schedule tournaments in Texas to keep them happy. Look at how unhappy FSU is to play a tournament in NC and then magnify that regional disparity. Once you add Texas, the geographic mid-point of the league moves to somewhere near Nashville.

Catholics are okay but not Baptist?

It's not about Baptists, it's about the perceived degree of academic freedom for the faculty as it pertains to some subjects. Notice I said "perceived". This is Stanford's problem with Baylor as well. I should have used the term "academic freedom".
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(05-08-2015 12:34 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(05-08-2015 12:17 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Texas Tech, OU, OSU, KSU, Baylor, and WVa all have their detractors in the ACC. Only Kansas, TCU, Texas, and ISU would start the process without at least one blackball.

The blackball reasons vary.
OK, let's examine those reasons.

Quote:TT is VERY far away and their administration has had public problems.
Agreed. If you complain about traveling to Miami and BC, you'll HATE Texas Tech.

Quote:OU and OSU present the ACC with a highly political president (Boren) and a university with a billionaire with direct influence in the program (Pickens).
These sound like temporary problems - who knows when those guys fade away?

Quote:KSU is seen by some as a large community college.
So Louisville, then? Been there, done that.

Quote:UVa, Duke, and GT have problems with WVa's admissions standards.
On the other hand, some ACC teams have problems with the admission standards at UVa, Duke and GT.

Quote:With Baylor there is a religious issue.
As opposed to Wake Forest, Boston College and Notre Dame? (OK, Wake not so much, but still)

WF is not run by the NC State Baptist Convention. They came out from under them in the late 70's, early 80's. I don't want to get into a theological argument that splits hairs, but despite the Catholic's church's past persecution of science, they have generally overcome the Galileo problem, hence the recent statements that if they find aliens, they will try to convert them and that the aliens God would be the same God for earth.

Some of this revolves around the doctrine of Biblical inerrancy and literalism. How does this issue manifest itself in a group? The issue would not arise over religion per se, but over potential conflicts where a particular university may be unwilling to go along with a majority vote over a religious-based objection.

I wish I had not even brought this up.
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(05-08-2015 12:34 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(05-08-2015 12:17 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Texas Tech, OU, OSU, KSU, Baylor, and WVa all have their detractors in the ACC. Only Kansas, TCU, Texas, and ISU would start the process without at least one blackball.

The blackball reasons vary.
OK, let's examine those reasons.

Quote:TT is VERY far away and their administration has had public problems.
Agreed. If you complain about traveling to Miami and BC, you'll HATE Texas Tech.

Quote:OU and OSU present the ACC with a highly political president (Boren) and a university with a billionaire with direct influence in the program (Pickens).
These sound like temporary problems - who knows when those guys fade away?

Some ACC schools have past experience with OU that have left a bad taste in the mouth - now that was a long time ago - but in general the league does not like boosters that out front like T. Boone.

Quote:KSU is seen by some as a large community college.
So Louisville, then? Been there, done that.

Yeah but Louisville is in Louisville, KSU is in Manhattan Kansas.

Quote:UVa, Duke, and GT have problems with WVa's admissions standards.
On the other hand, some ACC teams have problems with the admission standards at UVa, Duke and GT.

Unless it's been recently changed, WVa has a general admission policy for in-state kids. Now, with what UNC has done over the past several years WVa seems more upfront about it than UNC. WVa giving a master's to the Governor's daughter when she had not finished is also a problem, but again, it's a problem for Duke, UVa, and GT.

Quote:With Baylor there is a religious issue.
As opposed to Wake Forest, Boston College and Notre Dame? (OK, Wake not so much, but still)

See the above.


Like I said, money and ESPN plus a few changes could finesse a lot of these issues - I don't know of any possible blackball issues regarding Iowa State, Kansas, TCU, or Texas - but that's not to say a school might harbor a problem with one of them.
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
It depends, is Baylor a Southern Baptist university?
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(05-08-2015 10:09 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  It depends, is Baylor a Southern Baptist university?

Yes complete with seminary. But the issue for the PAC with B.Y.U. was that the polity of the Latter Day Saints governed many of the daily aspects of campus life and of the courses and materials used for class. Baylor has much more academic freedom, but aspects of polity affect some aspects of student life. So while Baylor would be very far from the objections that were raised by some of the California schools about B.Y.U., there are some aspects about Baylor that might be concerning to them, but I doubt anything as definable as the objections to B.Y.U. would be raised.
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BTW, There are two Wake Forest seminaries.
One is still located in Wake Forest, NC (the site of the original Wake Forest campus). It is the Southeastern Baptist Seminary which is operated by the Southern Baptist Convention. The other is the Wake Forest University School of Divinity which is an ecumenical divinity school located on the campus of Wake Forest University (which is located in Winston-Salem, NC).
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Texas to the ACC is all fantasy right now...the only way that happens is if the ACC and B12 merge. That isn't happening until the current cable contracts expire. CYA in 8-10 years
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(05-09-2015 09:28 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Texas to the ACC is all fantasy right now...the only way that happens is if the ACC and B12 merge. That isn't happening until the current cable contracts expire. CYA in 8-10 years

Or....with the eventual dissolution of the big 12 that comes when they can't get any of their publicly talked about changes passed through NCAA voting. They need some big time "cover your ass" events to happen, that's in the process of happening right now.

You are dreaming though if you think the ACC and big 12 will ever merge.
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(05-10-2015 09:43 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(05-09-2015 09:28 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Texas to the ACC is all fantasy right now...the only way that happens is if the ACC and B12 merge. That isn't happening until the current cable contracts expire. CYA in 8-10 years

Or....with the eventual dissolution of the big 12 that comes when they can't get any of their publicly talked about changes passed through NCAA voting. They need some big time "cover your ass" events to happen, that's in the process of happening right now.

You are dreaming though if you think the ACC and big 12 will ever merge.

H1 there are a lot of folks that still think that Texas will end up in the B1G, while others that post here are still hopeful that the 'horns end up in the SEC.
Texas to the ACC on a Notre Dame type deal is a real possibllity, but I really don't see a Big 12/ACC merger.
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(05-10-2015 07:30 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-10-2015 09:43 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(05-09-2015 09:28 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Texas to the ACC is all fantasy right now...the only way that happens is if the ACC and B12 merge. That isn't happening until the current cable contracts expire. CYA in 8-10 years

Or....with the eventual dissolution of the big 12 that comes when they can't get any of their publicly talked about changes passed through NCAA voting. They need some big time "cover your ass" events to happen, that's in the process of happening right now.

You are dreaming though if you think the ACC and big 12 will ever merge.

H1 there are a lot of folks that still think that Texas will end up in the B1G, while others that post here are still hopeful that the 'horns end up in the SEC.
Texas to the ACC on a Notre Dame type deal is a real possibllity, but I really don't see a Big 12/ACC merger.

You don't see one because there is never going to be one. One of the two conferences will survive and one will not. The one with the most deficits to overcome is to the West. How that one meets its demise is still quite debatable. But if that demise comes then likely the majority of its schools will find homes, but find them in various conferences for various reasons. Now if the ACC acquires 1 to 4 of those schools well and good, but it won't be a merger.
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(05-08-2015 02:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-08-2015 08:54 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(05-07-2015 09:18 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(05-07-2015 08:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Of course there is always the chance that Texas could move to the SEC along with Oklahoma and the Dallas studio would become the SECN and the Charlotte studio would become the ACCN. Then the ACC could add either West Virginia or Connecticut and simply wait upon Notre Dame. You might even keep Charlotte as a dual studio for the ACC South and SEC East make Dallas the studio for the SEC West and Bristol the studio for the ACC North. Then you could make each a separate channel and bundle all four and sell it across the entire footprint. That's a lot of money to be shared between 32 schools. The combined brands would simply be irresistible to college sports fans. Alabama, Texas, Notre Dame, North Carolina, Duke, Kentucky, Auburn, Florida State, Florida, Georgia, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, Miami, Syracuse, A&M, Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee, Georgia Tech, Clemson, and on and on. At least that way everyone is playing in a division that is close to home.

That would be a terrible outcome for the ACC. Relegated permanently to last place status.

That would be a highly disappointing outcome.

Occam's razor applies to all things in life. Don't think like an ACC guy, or even an SEC guy. But think like a Texas fan. Which schedule gets you jazzed for the Fall?

1. Arkansas, Oklahoma, L.S.U., A&M, Missouri, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and two OOC games against in state foes.

2. Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, and N.C. State, plus 5 of your 7 OOC games against Oklahoma, Baylor, Texas Tech, T.C.U. and B.Y.U.

3. Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Southern California, Stanford, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State.

I won't even list a Big 10 line up.

Travel matters to fans. Match ups matter to fans. Rivalries matter to fans. And, most importantly it's fans who buy the tickets to attend the games.

You see for all the wild speculation we all have fun with in the end it is the practical things that will drive any decision that is made. To make that decision you will have to think like a Texas fan because those are the people the Texas athletic director is going to have to please. So far their #1 preference is pretty plain. They want to keep the Big 12 with them in the center of it. But profitability is changing, as is fan loyalties. A&M is gaining in demographics. And the network profitability figures that came out this week were rather astounding. I'll post a link when I can.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...rks-050715

These numbers will either force the PAC to reconsider a large Big 12 move, or force Texas to look more carefully at their long term NET, or force the rest of the Big 12 to do the same.

JR, logic would tell you that there is mega money to be made by putting Texas and Texas A&M back together again. In fact it might be worth a look to see what would happen if the SEC added all four schools in Texas from the Big 12 to go to 18.
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RE: Proposal to add Texas to ACC
(05-10-2015 08:05 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-08-2015 02:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-08-2015 08:54 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(05-07-2015 09:18 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(05-07-2015 08:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Of course there is always the chance that Texas could move to the SEC along with Oklahoma and the Dallas studio would become the SECN and the Charlotte studio would become the ACCN. Then the ACC could add either West Virginia or Connecticut and simply wait upon Notre Dame. You might even keep Charlotte as a dual studio for the ACC South and SEC East make Dallas the studio for the SEC West and Bristol the studio for the ACC North. Then you could make each a separate channel and bundle all four and sell it across the entire footprint. That's a lot of money to be shared between 32 schools. The combined brands would simply be irresistible to college sports fans. Alabama, Texas, Notre Dame, North Carolina, Duke, Kentucky, Auburn, Florida State, Florida, Georgia, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, Miami, Syracuse, A&M, Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee, Georgia Tech, Clemson, and on and on. At least that way everyone is playing in a division that is close to home.

That would be a terrible outcome for the ACC. Relegated permanently to last place status.

That would be a highly disappointing outcome.

Occam's razor applies to all things in life. Don't think like an ACC guy, or even an SEC guy. But think like a Texas fan. Which schedule gets you jazzed for the Fall?

1. Arkansas, Oklahoma, L.S.U., A&M, Missouri, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and two OOC games against in state foes.

2. Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, and N.C. State, plus 5 of your 7 OOC games against Oklahoma, Baylor, Texas Tech, T.C.U. and B.Y.U.

3. Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Southern California, Stanford, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State.

I won't even list a Big 10 line up.

Travel matters to fans. Match ups matter to fans. Rivalries matter to fans. And, most importantly it's fans who buy the tickets to attend the games.

You see for all the wild speculation we all have fun with in the end it is the practical things that will drive any decision that is made. To make that decision you will have to think like a Texas fan because those are the people the Texas athletic director is going to have to please. So far their #1 preference is pretty plain. They want to keep the Big 12 with them in the center of it. But profitability is changing, as is fan loyalties. A&M is gaining in demographics. And the network profitability figures that came out this week were rather astounding. I'll post a link when I can.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...rks-050715

These numbers will either force the PAC to reconsider a large Big 12 move, or force Texas to look more carefully at their long term NET, or force the rest of the Big 12 to do the same.

JR, logic would tell you that there is too much money to be made by putting Texas and Texas A&M back together again. In fact it might be worth a look to see what would happen if the SEC added all four schools in Texas from the Big 12 to go to 18.

If we had to go to 18 and had to take tag-a-longs then Texas, Baylor or Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would likely be the 4.
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(05-10-2015 07:30 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-10-2015 09:43 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(05-09-2015 09:28 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Texas to the ACC is all fantasy right now...the only way that happens is if the ACC and B12 merge. That isn't happening until the current cable contracts expire. CYA in 8-10 years

Or....with the eventual dissolution of the big 12 that comes when they can't get any of their publicly talked about changes passed through NCAA voting. They need some big time "cover your ass" events to happen, that's in the process of happening right now.

You are dreaming though if you think the ACC and big 12 will ever merge.


H1 there are a lot of folks that still think that Texas will end up in the B1G, while others that post here are still hopeful that the 'horns end up in the SEC.
Texas to the ACC on a Notre Dame type deal is a real possibllity, but I really don't see a Big 12/ACC merger.

Texas will NEVER be in the SEC....not happening

Texas can PICK their conference....
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(05-08-2015 12:17 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(05-08-2015 12:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(05-07-2015 07:48 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(05-07-2015 06:52 AM)esayem Wrote:  Texas and Oklahoma in the ACC? Are you guys smoking rocks? What the hell happened to the good old fashioned, sensible realignment talk of our forefathers? You know, like "should we destroy the Big East or should we watch UNC beat the living daylights out of Clempson twice a year for eternity?"

Your "twice a year" comment gives you away.

The "good old fashioned" realignment talk went away when football became approx. 4X more valuable than basketball.

Any more questions?

You smoke rocks if you think the University of Oklahoma will ever be in the ACC. I understand there is nothing of importance to talk about, but jeez!

Texas Tech, OU, OSU, KSU, Baylor, and WVa all have their detractors in the ACC. Only Kansas, TCU, Texas, and ISU would start the process without at least one blackball.

The blackball reasons vary. TT is VERY far away and their administration has had public problems. OU and OSU present the ACC with a highly political president (Boren) and a university with a billionaire with direct influence in the program (Pickens). KSU is seen by some as a large community college. UVa, Duke, and GT have problems with WVa's admissions standards. With Baylor there is a religious issue. That's not to say that money, ESPN, and negotiations would not overcome these issues and those 6 would get the necessary 3/4th votes, but these issues are real for some.

The real problem with adding Texas, is that to keep them happy, you will have to schedule tournaments in Texas to keep them happy. Look at how unhappy FSU is to play a tournament in NC and then magnify that regional disparity. Once you add Texas, the geographic mid-point of the league moves to somewhere near Nashville.

the geographic point is completely irrelevant

Oklahoma and Oklahoma State add nothing
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(05-10-2015 08:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-10-2015 08:05 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-08-2015 02:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-08-2015 08:54 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(05-07-2015 09:18 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  That would be a terrible outcome for the ACC. Relegated permanently to last place status.

That would be a highly disappointing outcome.

Occam's razor applies to all things in life. Don't think like an ACC guy, or even an SEC guy. But think like a Texas fan. Which schedule gets you jazzed for the Fall?

1. Arkansas, Oklahoma, L.S.U., A&M, Missouri, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and two OOC games against in state foes.

2. Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, and N.C. State, plus 5 of your 7 OOC games against Oklahoma, Baylor, Texas Tech, T.C.U. and B.Y.U.

3. Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Southern California, Stanford, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State.

I won't even list a Big 10 line up.

Travel matters to fans. Match ups matter to fans. Rivalries matter to fans. And, most importantly it's fans who buy the tickets to attend the games.

You see for all the wild speculation we all have fun with in the end it is the practical things that will drive any decision that is made. To make that decision you will have to think like a Texas fan because those are the people the Texas athletic director is going to have to please. So far their #1 preference is pretty plain. They want to keep the Big 12 with them in the center of it. But profitability is changing, as is fan loyalties. A&M is gaining in demographics. And the network profitability figures that came out this week were rather astounding. I'll post a link when I can.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...rks-050715

These numbers will either force the PAC to reconsider a large Big 12 move, or force Texas to look more carefully at their long term NET, or force the rest of the Big 12 to do the same.

JR, logic would tell you that there is too much money to be made by putting Texas and Texas A&M back together again. In fact it might be worth a look to see what would happen if the SEC added all four schools in Texas from the Big 12 to go to 18.

If we had to go to 18 and had to take tag-a-longs then Texas, Baylor or Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would likely be the 4.

if Texas needs tag-along buddies, they will just go to the PAC 12 or Big 10
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The ACC + Texas is ONLY an option if Texas pursues some type of ND type deal so that they can keep their Longhorn network. Otherwise they're not coming....

If they opt to give up their network and join full-fledge into a conference, its the PAC 12 or Big 10

sorry, but them's the strokes
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(05-08-2015 08:54 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(05-07-2015 09:18 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(05-07-2015 08:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Of course there is always the chance that Texas could move to the SEC along with Oklahoma and the Dallas studio would become the SECN and the Charlotte studio would become the ACCN. Then the ACC could add either West Virginia or Connecticut and simply wait upon Notre Dame. You might even keep Charlotte as a dual studio for the ACC South and SEC East make Dallas the studio for the SEC West and Bristol the studio for the ACC North. Then you could make each a separate channel and bundle all four and sell it across the entire footprint. That's a lot of money to be shared between 32 schools. The combined brands would simply be irresistible to college sports fans. Alabama, Texas, Notre Dame, North Carolina, Duke, Kentucky, Auburn, Florida State, Florida, Georgia, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, Miami, Syracuse, A&M, Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee, Georgia Tech, Clemson, and on and on. At least that way everyone is playing in a division that is close to home.

That would be a terrible outcome for the ACC. Relegated permanently to last place status.

That would be a highly disappointing outcome.

Occam's razor applies to all things in life. Don't think like an ACC guy, or even an SEC guy. But think like a Texas fan. Which schedule gets you jazzed for the Fall?

1. Arkansas, Oklahoma, L.S.U., A&M, Missouri, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and two OOC games against in state foes.

2. Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, and N.C. State, plus 5 of your 7 OOC games against Oklahoma, Baylor, Texas Tech, T.C.U. and B.Y.U.

3. Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Southern California, Stanford, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State.

I won't even list a Big 10 line up.

Travel matters to fans. Match ups matter to fans. Rivalries matter to fans. And, most importantly it's fans who buy the tickets to attend the games.

You see for all the wild speculation we all have fun with in the end it is the practical things that will drive any decision that is made. To make that decision you will have to think like a Texas fan because those are the people the Texas athletic director is going to have to please. So far their #1 preference is pretty plain. They want to keep the Big 12 with them in the center of it. But profitability is changing, as is fan loyalties. A&M is gaining in demographics. And the network profitability figures that came out this week were rather astounding. I'll post a link when I can.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...rks-050715

These numbers will either force the PAC to reconsider a large Big 12 move, or force Texas to look more carefully at their long term NET, or force the rest of the Big 12 to do the same.

Unfortunately, fans don't determine realignment. I'm sure the Big 10 didn't add Rutgers and Maryland to boost their schedules....

Most likely Texas isn't going anywhere....why bother when you dictate to your conference....

If ANYTHING, Texas football might just go independent and keep all their sports IN the Big XII....stay put and STILL get their ND-type deal.
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What do you mean "Oklahoma adds nothing"?
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(05-11-2015 06:01 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  What do you mean "Oklahoma adds nothing"?

Other than an elite FB brand, rabid fan base and improving academics in an oil rich state...03-lmfao
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