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RE: Sun Belt ADs calling out CUSA for avoiding tough games
(04-19-2015 07:33 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  I honestly figured that Ga Southern had bigger crowds than that.

20-22k is pretty weak, especially considering the move to FBS....but I guess thats the new thing cause half the teams in CUSA are in the same boat.

Marshall is going to average around 27k no matter what. Pretty sure we were around 29k this past season.

Thats not a big difference. It was in fact GS first year in FBS. Had you said Marshall is averaging 40,000, I would have agreed. In little time I would expect the attendance number at GS to grow to average at least what Marhsall is averaging, the school is growing like weeds. GS just needs to win some more decent P5 games and get some decent home games with some bigger name programs, which will happen at some point, but attendance at GS will continue to grow.

By the way Marshall has always recruited the state of GA pretty hard.
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(04-19-2015 10:51 AM)FLEagle Wrote:  
(04-19-2015 07:33 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  I honestly figured that Ga Southern had bigger crowds than that.

20-22k is pretty weak, especially considering the move to FBS....but I guess thats the new thing cause half the teams in CUSA are in the same boat.

Marshall is going to average around 27k no matter what. Pretty sure we were around 29k this past season.

We're also competing with 3 other FBS team, and quite a few FCS teams. Other than WVU, Marshall is the only show in town. Not that it's a good excuse, just reality in a state with so many other football teams.

We arent just competing with the other FBS schools in Georgia, everyone and their mother is coming to Georgia to recruit football players, and there are many big programs within driving distance of the Atlanta area that recruit there hard. Plus Georgia isnt like a state like Alabama in that every kid that grows up there are born Auburn or Alabama fans whos parents and grandparents are avid AU and Bama fans. Atlanta is full of people from other states, and their kids grow up fans of their parents schools or have interest in other schools.
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RE: Sun Belt ADs calling out CUSA for avoiding tough games
(04-20-2015 10:37 AM)eagle9098 Wrote:  
(04-19-2015 10:51 AM)FLEagle Wrote:  
(04-19-2015 07:33 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  I honestly figured that Ga Southern had bigger crowds than that.

20-22k is pretty weak, especially considering the move to FBS....but I guess thats the new thing cause half the teams in CUSA are in the same boat.

Marshall is going to average around 27k no matter what. Pretty sure we were around 29k this past season.

We're also competing with 3 other FBS team, and quite a few FCS teams. Other than WVU, Marshall is the only show in town. Not that it's a good excuse, just reality in a state with so many other football teams.

We arent just competing with the other FBS schools in Georgia, everyone and their mother is coming to Georgia to recruit football players, and there are many big programs within driving distance of the Atlanta area that recruit there hard. Plus Georgia isnt like a state like Alabama in that every kid that grows up there are born Auburn or Alabama fans whos parents and grandparents are avid AU and Bama fans. Atlanta is full of people from other states, and their kids grow up fans of their parents schools or have interest in other schools.

Can't argue with that. We live in an apartment and just on my hallway there are Ohio State, FSU, Penn State, Michigan, and UVA grads. People that describe Atlanta as UGA territory are highly mistaken. Hell, there are more Georgia Southern grads in my building than there are UGA.
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RE: Sun Belt ADs calling out CUSA for avoiding tough games
Marshalls problem is the same that most of us face. When we have P5 teams at home we are around 36,000-40,000 fans.

Anything around 30,000 in the G5 is pretty good imo.

We always have a few games over 30,000 but also end up with at least one game around 24-25,000 that drags the average down. Last year we played Rhode Island in a monsoon, of course we had poor attendance for that game.

This year we open up with Purdue at home, if it doesn't sell out it will be close. I'd say we get around 36,000 for that game.

Also hurts that most G5 teams (teams we all play at home the most) do not bring many fans.

You guys have 22,000 for games right now. Imagine if South Alabama and other Sun Belt schools brought around 3,000-5,000 every game. Your attendance would instantly spike because of this.

I actually wish that Marshall would spear head a new conference that is only on the East coast and more regional. Build some rivalries and grow with each other. It will never happen, but a guy can dream!
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(04-20-2015 12:45 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Marshalls problem is the same that most of us face. When we have P5 teams at home we are around 36,000-40,000 fans.

Anything around 30,000 in the G5 is pretty good imo.

We always have a few games over 30,000 but also end up with at least one game around 24-25,000 that drags the average down. Last year we played Rhode Island in a monsoon, of course we had poor attendance for that game.

This year we open up with Purdue at home, if it doesn't sell out it will be close. I'd say we get around 36,000 for that game.

Also hurts that most G5 teams (teams we all play at home the most) do not bring many fans.

You guys have 22,000 for games right now. Imagine if South Alabama and other Sun Belt schools brought around 3,000-5,000 every game. Your attendance would instantly spike because of this.

I actually wish that Marshall would spear head a new conference that is only on the East coast and more regional. Build some rivalries and grow with each other. It will never happen, but a guy can dream!

If CUSA and SBC would split the conferences down the AL/MS border it can be reality.
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(04-20-2015 12:51 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  
(04-20-2015 12:45 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Marshalls problem is the same that most of us face. When we have P5 teams at home we are around 36,000-40,000 fans.

Anything around 30,000 in the G5 is pretty good imo.

We always have a few games over 30,000 but also end up with at least one game around 24-25,000 that drags the average down. Last year we played Rhode Island in a monsoon, of course we had poor attendance for that game.

This year we open up with Purdue at home, if it doesn't sell out it will be close. I'd say we get around 36,000 for that game.

Also hurts that most G5 teams (teams we all play at home the most) do not bring many fans.

You guys have 22,000 for games right now. Imagine if South Alabama and other Sun Belt schools brought around 3,000-5,000 every game. Your attendance would instantly spike because of this.

I actually wish that Marshall would spear head a new conference that is only on the East coast and more regional. Build some rivalries and grow with each other. It will never happen, but a guy can dream!

If CUSA and SBC would split the conferences down the AL/MS border it can be reality.

This all goes back to the dreaded "Perception" issue we have with schools and their fans. If everyone would just stop worrying about what each conference once was and focus on recreating them to fit today's landscape we would all be better off.

Merge the Eastern halves together and the Western halves together then negotiate a new TV deal that covers both conferences and maybe even the MAC. You'd get a lot more selling power if you had 24 or 36 schools to offer to a network.

We all know most of this will likely never happen but this would be fine with me:

New Conference #1

North- Marshall, ODU, WKU, App, UNCC, MTSU
South- GSU, GS, Troy, USA, FIU, FAU

New Conference #2

East- USM, ULM, ULL, Ark. St, La. Tech, UAB/Iadho(This would keep all current school in a league. Remove Idaho if UAB ever restarts FB)
West- Rice, UNT, UTSA, Tx. St, UTEP, NMSU(Full Member)
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The reason that will never work is because when one of your new conferences out performs the other, there will be an inequity in the way the revenue is divided (for example, if conference A gets 70% of the viewers, why shouldn't they get 70% of the revenue?). Now, if you split it via viewership, it will be constantly diminishing, and eventually the "lesser" conference will want to break off and get it's own TV contract.

Then, the stronger conference will want to lose some dead weight and pick up other strong teams to further increase it's revenue stream.

Then you end up with two conferences spreading the same distance with different TV contracts. And both of them pissing and moaning that they are the better of the two, when in reality they are just a & b.
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(04-20-2015 01:10 PM)JTApps1 Wrote:  
(04-20-2015 12:51 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  
(04-20-2015 12:45 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Marshalls problem is the same that most of us face. When we have P5 teams at home we are around 36,000-40,000 fans.

Anything around 30,000 in the G5 is pretty good imo.

We always have a few games over 30,000 but also end up with at least one game around 24-25,000 that drags the average down. Last year we played Rhode Island in a monsoon, of course we had poor attendance for that game.

This year we open up with Purdue at home, if it doesn't sell out it will be close. I'd say we get around 36,000 for that game.

Also hurts that most G5 teams (teams we all play at home the most) do not bring many fans.

You guys have 22,000 for games right now. Imagine if South Alabama and other Sun Belt schools brought around 3,000-5,000 every game. Your attendance would instantly spike because of this.

I actually wish that Marshall would spear head a new conference that is only on the East coast and more regional. Build some rivalries and grow with each other. It will never happen, but a guy can dream!

If CUSA and SBC would split the conferences down the AL/MS border it can be reality.

This all goes back to the dreaded "Perception" issue we have with schools and their fans. If everyone would just stop worrying about what each conference once was and focus on recreating them to fit today's landscape we would all be better off.

Merge the Eastern halves together and the Western halves together then negotiate a new TV deal that covers both conferences and maybe even the MAC. You'd get a lot more selling power if you had 24 or 36 schools to offer to a network.

We all know most of this will likely never happen but this would be fine with me:

New Conference #1

North- Marshall, ODU, WKU, App, UNCC, MTSU
South- GSU, GS, Troy, USA, FIU, FAU

New Conference #2

East- USM, ULM, ULL, Ark. St, La. Tech, UAB/Iadho(This would keep all current school in a league. Remove Idaho if UAB ever restarts FB)
West- Rice, UNT, UTSA, Tx. St, UTEP, NMSU(Full Member)

I'm not sure something similar might not happen down the road, but its more likely to begin with the Top 40 or so G5 programs trying to distance themselves from the bottom of the G5 for scheduling and television. They are already complaining about the bottom of the G5 pulling up FCS Football right now. They don't want to play those conferences.
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(04-20-2015 02:41 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(04-20-2015 01:10 PM)JTApps1 Wrote:  This all goes back to the dreaded "Perception" issue we have with schools and their fans. If everyone would just stop worrying about what each conference once was and focus on recreating them to fit today's landscape we would all be better off.

Merge the Eastern halves together and the Western halves together then negotiate a new TV deal that covers both conferences and maybe even the MAC. You'd get a lot more selling power if you had 24 or 36 schools to offer to a network.

We all know most of this will likely never happen but this would be fine with me:

New Conference #1

North- Marshall, ODU, WKU, App, UNCC, MTSU
South- GSU, GS, Troy, USA, FIU, FAU

New Conference #2

East- USM, ULM, ULL, Ark. St, La. Tech, UAB/Iadho(This would keep all current school in a league. Remove Idaho if UAB ever restarts FB)
West- Rice, UNT, UTSA, Tx. St, UTEP, NMSU(Full Member)

I'm not sure something similar might not happen down the road, but its more likely to begin with the Top 40 or so G5 programs trying to distance themselves from the bottom of the G5 for scheduling and television. They are already complaining about the bottom of the G5 pulling up FCS Football right now. They don't want to play those conferences.

The fun part of that would be trying to determine the "Top 40 or so" programs. Some of the older members certainly don't qualify as the best programs. There are a number of MWC and AAC teams that would be (and have been) bottom feeders in the other conferences. It is very much a moving target.
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(04-20-2015 12:45 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Imagine if South Alabama and other Sun Belt schools brought around 3,000-5,000 every game. Your attendance would instantly spike because of this.

South Alabama actually does average around that number for most nearby games (i.e., Troy, Tulane, GSU). It'd be nice if the rest of our conference traveled that way... as you point out, there's a mutual benefit.
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(04-21-2015 02:07 PM)airtroop Wrote:  
(04-20-2015 12:45 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Imagine if South Alabama and other Sun Belt schools brought around 3,000-5,000 every game. Your attendance would instantly spike because of this.

South Alabama actually does average around that number for most nearby games (i.e., Troy, Tulane, GSU). It'd be nice if the rest of our conference traveled that way... as you point out, there's a mutual benefit.

In the SoCon App would bring 3k+ fans to Wofford, Elon, Furman, Citadel, WCU.

App will only bring more than 1k fans to GA St. and GS in the SBC due to distance.
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(04-21-2015 02:51 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  
(04-21-2015 02:07 PM)airtroop Wrote:  
(04-20-2015 12:45 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Imagine if South Alabama and other Sun Belt schools brought around 3,000-5,000 every game. Your attendance would instantly spike because of this.

South Alabama actually does average around that number for most nearby games (i.e., Troy, Tulane, GSU). It'd be nice if the rest of our conference traveled that way... as you point out, there's a mutual benefit.

In the SoCon App would bring 3k+ fans to Wofford, Elon, Furman, Citadel, WCU.

App will only bring more than 1k fans to GA St. and GS in the SBC due to distance.

How far is Atlanta to Boone? I would think many of the Charlotte alum would travel to Atlanta, that's an easy ride.
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(04-21-2015 03:14 PM)SBEagle Wrote:  
(04-21-2015 02:51 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  
(04-21-2015 02:07 PM)airtroop Wrote:  
(04-20-2015 12:45 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Imagine if South Alabama and other Sun Belt schools brought around 3,000-5,000 every game. Your attendance would instantly spike because of this.

South Alabama actually does average around that number for most nearby games (i.e., Troy, Tulane, GSU). It'd be nice if the rest of our conference traveled that way... as you point out, there's a mutual benefit.

In the SoCon App would bring 3k+ fans to Wofford, Elon, Furman, Citadel, WCU.

App will only bring more than 1k fans to GA St. and GS in the SBC due to distance.

How far is Atlanta to Boone? I would think many of the Charlotte alum would travel to Atlanta, that's an easy ride.

5 hours. 3.5-7 hours from charlotte to atlanta depending on traffic in atlanta. lol
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(04-21-2015 03:21 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  
(04-21-2015 03:14 PM)SBEagle Wrote:  
(04-21-2015 02:51 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  
(04-21-2015 02:07 PM)airtroop Wrote:  
(04-20-2015 12:45 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Imagine if South Alabama and other Sun Belt schools brought around 3,000-5,000 every game. Your attendance would instantly spike because of this.

South Alabama actually does average around that number for most nearby games (i.e., Troy, Tulane, GSU). It'd be nice if the rest of our conference traveled that way... as you point out, there's a mutual benefit.

In the SoCon App would bring 3k+ fans to Wofford, Elon, Furman, Citadel, WCU.

App will only bring more than 1k fans to GA St. and GS in the SBC due to distance.

How far is Atlanta to Boone? I would think many of the Charlotte alum would travel to Atlanta, that's an easy ride.

5 hours. 3.5-7 hours from charlotte to atlanta depending on traffic in atlanta. lol

So true.
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