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RE: If UAB drops football...
(11-10-2014 11:30 AM)freshtop Wrote:  Hopefully UAB doesn't drop football, but if they did I think that South Alabama would get the invite.

I think that Tech would block UL.
I don't think stAte wants to leave.
I don't think Georgia State is ready from a football standpoint.
I think C-USA has enough Texas teams already so Texas St is out.

Georgia Southern is a real possibility, but I don't know if they would want to jump conferences so soon.

Of course JMU could get an invite, or Missouri State.

Maybe try to poach Ohio or Akron, but the MAC typcially stays tight.

I would be opposed to UMass without some serious concessions (cut their revenue sharing, force basketball scheduling agreements).

It shouldn't matter anyway. I can't imagine the fanbase sitting by and letting football get cut.

I agree. I think Southern Miss would allow South Alabama in the hopes of regaining a rival that would be lost. Tech still has good reasons to block ULL, stAte really isn't interested, Georgia State isn't needed, and Georgia Southern hasn't proven enough in the Olympic Sports to make it work.

I am not writing off UAB dropping football entirely, but I don't think their fan base would allow it.
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(11-10-2014 11:33 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 11:20 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  It's the same today as it ever was, the only way to avoid CUSA cherry picking from the Sun Belt is a GOR.

You can talk about perception vs reality or speculate about future bowls and TV contracts, but the fact remains that there is the very real fear that if you turn down a CUSA invite, someone else will accept.

You're already discussing adding one more FCS member, be it EKU, Missouri State, ETSU, Jax State etc, if you turn down the invite and someone else accepts than two of those might be inbound? What if at the next reevaluation Idaho is cut loose? Maybe NMSU just goes full member or maybe the UMASS FB only conversation is revisited.

Sun Belt pride is great, but no one wants to look up five years from now and be starting over with 2-3 new FCS members, none of whom bring to the table what App and GS do.


Yes, and we're very different from your average SBC team. This isn't about some kind of SBC pride in our case as much as it is the fact that the CUSA is not seen as above the SBC in Arkansas. A move would be seen as lateral in this area, and almost a step down to our donor base.

It would take a serious back track from negative statements made about CUSA by our President and AD in order for such a thing to work, and frankly I don't think our fans would believe such backtracking, and would see us as turning into a LA Tech, and trying to beg our way into a league. That would be a terrible perception for our donor base.

I'm not saying I don't buy stAte turning down the invite, but you may be the only one I'm buying it from.

Doubt you guys would get an invite in the first place, I see USA, Louisiana and Texas State as better fits, but even if we wanted to invite you I expect our administration has a pretty good read on perspective members and I don't expect we extend an invite to a program we weren't certain would accept.
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RE: If UAB drops football...
I would hate to see UAB drop football and I do not believe it will happen. They really need to schedule Troy and South Alabama and keep them on their schedule. IMO, it would be beneficial to all three schools.
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(11-10-2014 11:40 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 11:33 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 11:20 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  It's the same today as it ever was, the only way to avoid CUSA cherry picking from the Sun Belt is a GOR.

You can talk about perception vs reality or speculate about future bowls and TV contracts, but the fact remains that there is the very real fear that if you turn down a CUSA invite, someone else will accept.

You're already discussing adding one more FCS member, be it EKU, Missouri State, ETSU, Jax State etc, if you turn down the invite and someone else accepts than two of those might be inbound? What if at the next reevaluation Idaho is cut loose? Maybe NMSU just goes full member or maybe the UMASS FB only conversation is revisited.

Sun Belt pride is great, but no one wants to look up five years from now and be starting over with 2-3 new FCS members, none of whom bring to the table what App and GS do.


Yes, and we're very different from your average SBC team. This isn't about some kind of SBC pride in our case as much as it is the fact that the CUSA is not seen as above the SBC in Arkansas. A move would be seen as lateral in this area, and almost a step down to our donor base.

It would take a serious back track from negative statements made about CUSA by our President and AD in order for such a thing to work, and frankly I don't think our fans would believe such backtracking, and would see us as turning into a LA Tech, and trying to beg our way into a league. That would be a terrible perception for our donor base.

I'm not saying I don't buy stAte turning down the invite, but you may be the only one I'm buying it from.

Doubt you guys would get an invite in the first place, I see USA, Louisiana and Texas State as better fits, but even if we wanted to invite you I expect our administration has a pretty good read on perspective members and I don't expect we extend an invite to a program we weren't certain would accept.

I agree with the bolded part. No one is going to invite a program that isn't a sure thing to accept.

We've got a couple fans who are still fans of moving to CUSA...but I think most of us have set our sights on working for AAC membership some years down the road.
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someone needs to let Campaign4Liberty know that there might be a spot open in CUSA, and he needs to get on their board championing how great Liberty would be for them.
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(11-10-2014 11:24 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 11:17 AM)GaryRWReport Wrote:  A State would most likely turn down a CUSA offer. There is truly no benefits to go there.

No benefit that's not so small its essentially moot.

We don't have the donor support to make a move, and the likely new CUSA TV Contract will only bring a small cash increase to our current situation.

The pink elephant in the room though is the reason to move. We simply must be in a conference with Alabama teams right now. We do a large portion of our recruiting right now out of Alabama and Georgia. Moving to CUSA without a UAB, Georgia State, or Georgia Southern, significantly reduces our exposure in both states.

6 in 1 hand, half dozen in the other. If the benefit is moot then it doesn't count, and like you said recruiting is key now in GA & AL losing games there only hurts.

Personally for any SBC, CUSA,MAC school the only real upgrade is the AAC, in my opinion.
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With the upgrades to our stadium that are ongoing and the talent we have returning for the next 2 years, I am fine regardless of conference. I would be happy in any of the G5 because I think they all present the exact same opportunity to achieve our goals. I am more interested in keeping the current staff around for a few years.
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I thought stAte had expressed interest. Did not mean to give false info.

USA is a pretty perfect fit. I was going to add that CUSA really cares about basketball so that hurts TXST and GS.

Only way TXST ever goes is if another Texas team leaves CUSA. Many of our fans think its because our AD can't get it done, but the leading block is getting a vote from non Texas CUSA schools.

I'm happy in the SBC so I'm not one of those praying for a CUSA invite. If it happens great, if not great.
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All speculation aside, I hope UAB keeps thier team and will be hoping that is the number one outcome.
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Ga. Southern is happy in the Sun Belt. Our administration and AD continually sing the praises of the Sun Belt. We have you guys to thank for us being in the FBS, and we appreciate it. CUSA is basically a lateral move anyway. I really believe Ga. Southern wants to remain in a conference with App. St. also.
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(11-10-2014 11:16 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  The obvious choice MTPiKapp us referring to is South Alabama.

They even named their conference after us..02-13-banana
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(11-10-2014 11:42 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  I would hate to see UAB drop football and I do not believe it will happen. They really need to schedule Troy and South Alabama and keep them on their schedule. IMO, it would be beneficial to all three schools.

Blazers do have USA, Georgia State, and Troy all on the schedule for the next 2 years. A long term deal needs to get signed with both Troy and USA.
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(11-10-2014 11:33 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  It would take a serious back track from negative statements made about CUSA by our President and AD in order for such a thing to work, and frankly I don't think our fans would believe such backtracking, and would see us as turning into a LA Tech, and trying to beg our way into a league. That would be a terrible perception for our donor base.

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(11-10-2014 11:55 AM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Ga. Southern is happy in the Sun Belt. Our administration and AD continually sing the praises of the Sun Belt. We have you guys to thank for us being in the FBS, and we appreciate it. CUSA is basically a lateral move anyway. I really believe Ga. Southern wants to remain in a conference with App. St. also.

I agree with this, too. As much as Georgia Southern and App hate each other, we also love each other and have stuck together for a long time. I don't see App leaving without Georgia Southern or vice versa.
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(11-10-2014 11:24 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 11:17 AM)GaryRWReport Wrote:  A State would most likely turn down a CUSA offer. There is truly no benefits to go there.

No benefit that's not so small its essentially moot.

We don't have the donor support to make a move, and the likely new CUSA TV Contract will only bring a small cash increase to our current situation.


The pink elephant in the room though is the reason to move. We simply must be in a conference with Alabama teams right now. We do a large portion of our recruiting right now out of Alabama and Georgia. Moving to CUSA without a UAB, Georgia State, or Georgia Southern, significantly reduces our exposure in both states.

I thought according to the Ark. St. folks, the "experts", CUSA next TV contract would dry up..So if that is the case than CUSA would bring no money to Ark. St...

Being in CUSA this season has taught me the Sun Belt is about 10 years behind in terms of production, quality, media presentation CUSA brings to the table. Perception is still reality CUSA>Sun Belt.
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(11-10-2014 11:40 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 11:33 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 11:20 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  It's the same today as it ever was, the only way to avoid CUSA cherry picking from the Sun Belt is a GOR.

You can talk about perception vs reality or speculate about future bowls and TV contracts, but the fact remains that there is the very real fear that if you turn down a CUSA invite, someone else will accept.

You're already discussing adding one more FCS member, be it EKU, Missouri State, ETSU, Jax State etc, if you turn down the invite and someone else accepts than two of those might be inbound? What if at the next reevaluation Idaho is cut loose? Maybe NMSU just goes full member or maybe the UMASS FB only conversation is revisited.

Sun Belt pride is great, but no one wants to look up five years from now and be starting over with 2-3 new FCS members, none of whom bring to the table what App and GS do.


Yes, and we're very different from your average SBC team. This isn't about some kind of SBC pride in our case as much as it is the fact that the CUSA is not seen as above the SBC in Arkansas. A move would be seen as lateral in this area, and almost a step down to our donor base.

It would take a serious back track from negative statements made about CUSA by our President and AD in order for such a thing to work, and frankly I don't think our fans would believe such backtracking, and would see us as turning into a LA Tech, and trying to beg our way into a league. That would be a terrible perception for our donor base.

I'm not saying I don't buy stAte turning down the invite, but you may be the only one I'm buying it from.

Doubt you guys would get an invite in the first place, I see USA, Louisiana and Texas State as better fits, but even if we wanted to invite you I expect our administration has a pretty good read on perspective members and I don't expect we extend an invite to a program we weren't certain would accept.

You can't really trust anything chiefsfan says about CUSA. He hates CUSA. Hates the patch. Would probably turn down a $10 million signing bonus to go to CUSA. Will say anything to keep us out of CUSA.

That said, we aren't itching to get into CUSA. Our admin would look at every aspect of it if an invitation were forthcoming. A decision would be fact based on a host of factors and not because of a bunch of fans crying to move "up" or wanting to be "picked" in the schoolyard. We aren't really that way.

A lot of it would depend on the situation, how many invites, and who was staying and the value of any replacements. The Cajun's position would also likely come into play. Whatever decision would be made, it would be a rational one.

As for lobbying and pimping. We really don't do that much. Firstly, it really doesn't matter since the actual decision-makers are for the most part not paying attention to that. Secondly, if your conference is actually looking for schools that brown-nose, pimp, beg, and prostrate themselves....A-State does not fit your model.
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App State would probably get to CUSA before us…their basketball facility and program are less unimpressive than ours. We're the better baseball school but that won't move the needle.

I'm fine with where we are.
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(11-10-2014 11:33 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 11:20 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  It's the same today as it ever was, the only way to avoid CUSA cherry picking from the Sun Belt is a GOR.

You can talk about perception vs reality or speculate about future bowls and TV contracts, but the fact remains that there is the very real fear that if you turn down a CUSA invite, someone else will accept.

You're already discussing adding one more FCS member, be it EKU, Missouri State, ETSU, Jax State etc, if you turn down the invite and someone else accepts than two of those might be inbound? What if at the next reevaluation Idaho is cut loose? Maybe NMSU just goes full member or maybe the UMASS FB only conversation is revisited.

Sun Belt pride is great, but no one wants to look up five years from now and be starting over with 2-3 new FCS members, none of whom bring to the table what App and GS do.


Yes, and we're very different from your average SBC team. This isn't about some kind of SBC pride in our case as much as it is the fact that the CUSA is not seen as above the SBC in Arkansas. A move would be seen as lateral in this area, and almost a step down to our donor base.

It would take a serious back track from negative statements made about CUSA by our President and AD in order for such a thing to work, and frankly I don't think our fans would believe such backtracking, and would see us as turning into a LA Tech, and trying to beg our way into a league. That would be a terrible perception for our donor base.

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. If you were truly happy with where you are, you wouldn't feel the need to attack La Tech. Perhaps the fact that there are at least three current SBC members that will get a CUSA invitation before Ark St ever does plays a role in your attitude.
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Even though UTEP may not like it as much, I think NMSU would be the candidate. But in reality, UTEP and NMSU play against each other every year in most sports including football. You might as will make it a conference game and free up another OOC game.

In any case, the team will have to come from the western side of CUSA and they will split CUSA into more geographical divisions.
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(11-10-2014 02:04 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 11:24 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(11-10-2014 11:17 AM)GaryRWReport Wrote:  A State would most likely turn down a CUSA offer. There is truly no benefits to go there.

No benefit that's not so small its essentially moot.

We don't have the donor support to make a move, and the likely new CUSA TV Contract will only bring a small cash increase to our current situation.


The pink elephant in the room though is the reason to move. We simply must be in a conference with Alabama teams right now. We do a large portion of our recruiting right now out of Alabama and Georgia. Moving to CUSA without a UAB, Georgia State, or Georgia Southern, significantly reduces our exposure in both states.

I thought according to the Ark. St. folks, the "experts", CUSA next TV contract would dry up..So if that is the case than CUSA would bring no money to Ark. St...

Being in CUSA this season has taught me the Sun Belt is about 10 years behind in terms of production, quality, media presentation CUSA brings to the table. Perception is still reality CUSA>Sun Belt.
I can't even find CUSA games on TV and there is no mention of the conference in our area because they have no presence here. The SBC gets a lot more media attention and I have no idea what you mean by production because I can't see it.
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