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RE: June 1st is looming large on the horizon!
I will stand by my prediction that even if Liberty doesn't get in now, they will eventually be in the SBC. There is still a lot of uncertainty, and eventually need will cause No's to become Yes's.
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Its 5/13 today. We.Are.Done.
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(05-13-2013 08:46 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  If Missouri State will not join before June 1st, believe Benson will have Eastern Kentucky join.

I like EKU! That's a great pick-up.
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(05-13-2013 09:25 AM)CatMom Wrote:  
(05-13-2013 09:17 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  Yep, if JMU and Mo. St. want to play FBS and get a jump on recruiting they will announce between June 1 and June 30. The way these things have been going, we may not get any sense of who is coming until right before it is announced.

Do we know if either of these schools has declared FBS intentions to the NCAA? If they haven't, they can't accept an invite yet.

You are wrong about that.

Missouri State and JMU play football in leagues that are different legal entities from their league for other sports.

They can accept an invitiation from the Sun Belt anytime between now and June 30 with no impact on their FCS status unless they choose to notify the NCAA of intent to change.

If they so desired and the Sun Belt agreed, either could enter the Sun Belt for all sports except football and leave their football in their current conference indefinetely
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(05-13-2013 09:37 AM)knucklehead Wrote:  I will stand by my prediction that even if Liberty doesn't get in now, they will eventually be in the SBC. There is still a lot of uncertainty, and eventually need will cause No's to become Yes's.

Actually, what Liberty needs is for a good number of No's (who will always be NO's) to leave before the other No's think about becoming Yes's.
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The SB meetings are in the next week or so, right? Anyone think there is any chance of an invite and acceptance here in the last 10 days or so of May?
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(05-13-2013 10:12 AM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  The SB meetings are in the next week or so, right? Anyone think there is any chance of an invite and acceptance here in the last 10 days or so of May?

Unless someone has a soft invite ,all their paperwork filled out already and the associated checks ready to be mailed on 5/16...doubtful.
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(05-13-2013 09:58 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-13-2013 09:25 AM)CatMom Wrote:  
(05-13-2013 09:17 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  Yep, if JMU and Mo. St. want to play FBS and get a jump on recruiting they will announce between June 1 and June 30. The way these things have been going, we may not get any sense of who is coming until right before it is announced.

Do we know if either of these schools has declared FBS intentions to the NCAA? If they haven't, they can't accept an invite yet.

You are wrong about that.

Missouri State and JMU play football in leagues that are different legal entities from their league for other sports.

They can accept an invitiation from the Sun Belt anytime between now and June 30 with no impact on their FCS status unless they choose to notify the NCAA of intent to change.

If they so desired and the Sun Belt agreed, either could enter the Sun Belt for all sports except football and leave their football in their current conference indefinetely

I was alluding to football. Every other sport is already on equal footing in DI and, therefore, can move without issues. The football move has to be declared.
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(05-13-2013 10:23 AM)CatMom Wrote:  
(05-13-2013 09:58 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-13-2013 09:25 AM)CatMom Wrote:  
(05-13-2013 09:17 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  Yep, if JMU and Mo. St. want to play FBS and get a jump on recruiting they will announce between June 1 and June 30. The way these things have been going, we may not get any sense of who is coming until right before it is announced.

Do we know if either of these schools has declared FBS intentions to the NCAA? If they haven't, they can't accept an invite yet.

You are wrong about that.

Missouri State and JMU play football in leagues that are different legal entities from their league for other sports.

They can accept an invitiation from the Sun Belt anytime between now and June 30 with no impact on their FCS status unless they choose to notify the NCAA of intent to change.

If they so desired and the Sun Belt agreed, either could enter the Sun Belt for all sports except football and leave their football in their current conference indefinetely

I was alluding to football. Every other sport is already on equal footing in DI and, therefore, can move without issues. The football move has to be declared.

Right but based on all signs, there is little reason to think Missouri State or JMU would declare intention to reclassify prior to their final football game of 2013.

But if they are so inclined, it could make a lot of sense to accept a Sun Belt invite between June 1 and June 30 so they can recruit in 2013 with everyone knowing that as soon as the football season ends they are declaring for FBS.
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(05-13-2013 09:03 AM)asumike83 Wrote:  
(05-13-2013 08:46 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  If Missouri State will not join before June 1st, believe Benson will have Eastern Kentucky join.

Just a hunch or did you hear that? EKU has solid football and would be good for App geographically but I thought I'd heard they were not ready financially for an FBS move.
The Eastern Kentucky Colonels have a 20,000 seat football stadium and a higher sports budget than Georgia Southern.
Just a hunch, but could see it happening.
(05-13-2013 09:38 AM)mbrunner Wrote:  
(05-13-2013 08:46 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  If Missouri State will not join before June 1st, believe Benson will have Eastern Kentucky join.

I like EKU! That's a great pick-up.
I agree. EKU would be a fine school for the SB. WKU was a good addition, bet EKU would be also.
Paperwork for the NCAA is filed after they know what they are doing, only takes about a day to fill out.
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(05-13-2013 10:33 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(05-13-2013 09:03 AM)asumike83 Wrote:  
(05-13-2013 08:46 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  If Missouri State will not join before June 1st, believe Benson will have Eastern Kentucky join.

Just a hunch or did you hear that? EKU has solid football and would be good for App geographically but I thought I'd heard they were not ready financially for an FBS move.
The Eastern Kentucky Colonels have a 20,000 seat football stadium and a higher sports budget than Georgia Southern.
Just a hunch, but could see it happening.
(05-13-2013 09:38 AM)mbrunner Wrote:  
(05-13-2013 08:46 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  If Missouri State will not join before June 1st, believe Benson will have Eastern Kentucky join.

I like EKU! That's a great pick-up.
I agree. EKU would be a fine school for the SB. WKU was a good addition, bet EKU would be also.
Paperwork for the NCAA is filed after they know what they are doing, only takes about a day to fill out.

Have they expressed any interest in moving up?
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I don't think anything has been finalized, but wasn't there a motion to cap Group of 5 base revenue at $1 million per school or $12 million max? If that holds up, a 16-team CUSA would mean a $250K loss per school on the base. Are they thinking TV wants to pay more for the FAU vs North Texas game in CUSA than they did in the SBC?

CUSA doesn't look any more attractive to me than the SBC from an Eastern perspective, but I can see where a Western SBC school might want to move for geographical/rivalry reasons. Otherwise, it looks like winning on the field will be the path to more money in G5 (as it should be). It's certainly going to be interesting to watch this next chapter of college football classification unfold for the rest of this decade.
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(05-13-2013 10:41 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  I don't think anything has been finalized, but wasn't there a motion to cap Group of 5 base revenue at $1 million per school or $12 million max? If that holds up, a 16-team CUSA would mean a $250K loss per school on the base. Are they thinking TV wants to pay more for the FAU vs North Texas game in CUSA than they did in the SBC?

CUSA doesn't look any more attractive to me than the SBC from an Eastern perspective, but I can see where a Western SBC school might want to move for geographical/rivalry reasons. Otherwise, it looks like winning on the field will be the path to more money in G5 (as it should be). It's certainly going to be interesting to watch this next chapter of college football classification unfold for the rest of this decade.

It depends on your geography. If it gets you playing schools that are closer to you then its worth it.
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(05-13-2013 10:35 AM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  
(05-13-2013 10:33 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(05-13-2013 09:03 AM)asumike83 Wrote:  
(05-13-2013 08:46 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  If Missouri State will not join before June 1st, believe Benson will have Eastern Kentucky join.

Just a hunch or did you hear that? EKU has solid football and would be good for App geographically but I thought I'd heard they were not ready financially for an FBS move.
The Eastern Kentucky Colonels have a 20,000 seat football stadium and a higher sports budget than Georgia Southern.
Just a hunch, but could see it happening.
(05-13-2013 09:38 AM)mbrunner Wrote:  
(05-13-2013 08:46 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  If Missouri State will not join before June 1st, believe Benson will have Eastern Kentucky join.

I like EKU! That's a great pick-up.
I agree. EKU would be a fine school for the SB. WKU was a good addition, bet EKU would be also.
Paperwork for the NCAA is filed after they know what they are doing, only takes about a day to fill out.

Have they expressed any interest in moving up?

Not really heard anything recently from the Sun Belt as to their intentions. Wouldn't surprise me though.
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(05-13-2013 10:41 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  I don't think anything has been finalized, but wasn't there a motion to cap Group of 5 base revenue at $1 million per school or $12 million max? If that holds up, a 16-team CUSA would mean a $250K loss per school on the base. Are they thinking TV wants to pay more for the FAU vs North Texas game in CUSA than they did in the SBC?

CUSA doesn't look any more attractive to me than the SBC from an Eastern perspective, but I can see where a Western SBC school might want to move for geographical/rivalry reasons. Otherwise, it looks like winning on the field will be the path to more money in G5 (as it should be). It's certainly going to be interesting to watch this next chapter of college football classification unfold for the rest of this decade.

They claim that moving to 16 allows them to offset expenses to make up for the loss of revenue sharing. Some think the league accepts the concept but can't agree who to add...east v. west.

If they do expand, I hope for the SBC's sake we keep ULL and ASU. I would hate to see us lose two of the better names and programs.
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(05-13-2013 11:21 AM)hapapp Wrote:  
(05-13-2013 10:41 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  I don't think anything has been finalized, but wasn't there a motion to cap Group of 5 base revenue at $1 million per school or $12 million max? If that holds up, a 16-team CUSA would mean a $250K loss per school on the base. Are they thinking TV wants to pay more for the FAU vs North Texas game in CUSA than they did in the SBC?

CUSA doesn't look any more attractive to me than the SBC from an Eastern perspective, but I can see where a Western SBC school might want to move for geographical/rivalry reasons. Otherwise, it looks like winning on the field will be the path to more money in G5 (as it should be). It's certainly going to be interesting to watch this next chapter of college football classification unfold for the rest of this decade.

They claim that moving to 16 allows them to offset expenses to make up for the loss of revenue sharing. Some think the league accepts the concept but can't agree who to add...east v. west.

If they do expand, I hope for the SBC's sake we keep ULL and ASU. I would hate to see us lose two of the better names and programs.

I hope the SBC doesn't keep UL or ASU. They are a better fit in the CUSA footprint now.
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(05-13-2013 11:21 AM)hapapp Wrote:  
(05-13-2013 10:41 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  I don't think anything has been finalized, but wasn't there a motion to cap Group of 5 base revenue at $1 million per school or $12 million max? If that holds up, a 16-team CUSA would mean a $250K loss per school on the base. Are they thinking TV wants to pay more for the FAU vs North Texas game in CUSA than they did in the SBC?

CUSA doesn't look any more attractive to me than the SBC from an Eastern perspective, but I can see where a Western SBC school might want to move for geographical/rivalry reasons. Otherwise, it looks like winning on the field will be the path to more money in G5 (as it should be). It's certainly going to be interesting to watch this next chapter of college football classification unfold for the rest of this decade.

They claim that moving to 16 allows them to offset expenses to make up for the loss of revenue sharing. Some think the league accepts the concept but can't agree who to add...east v. west.

If they do expand, I hope for the SBC's sake we keep ULL and ASU. I would hate to see us lose two of the better names and programs.
There are a couple of schools holding this up. Chiefly UAB since they lobbied for Eastern adds and another couple adds could put them in the West division.
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(05-13-2013 11:41 AM)panama Wrote:  
(05-13-2013 11:21 AM)hapapp Wrote:  
(05-13-2013 10:41 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  I don't think anything has been finalized, but wasn't there a motion to cap Group of 5 base revenue at $1 million per school or $12 million max? If that holds up, a 16-team CUSA would mean a $250K loss per school on the base. Are they thinking TV wants to pay more for the FAU vs North Texas game in CUSA than they did in the SBC?

CUSA doesn't look any more attractive to me than the SBC from an Eastern perspective, but I can see where a Western SBC school might want to move for geographical/rivalry reasons. Otherwise, it looks like winning on the field will be the path to more money in G5 (as it should be). It's certainly going to be interesting to watch this next chapter of college football classification unfold for the rest of this decade.

They claim that moving to 16 allows them to offset expenses to make up for the loss of revenue sharing. Some think the league accepts the concept but can't agree who to add...east v. west.

If they do expand, I hope for the SBC's sake we keep ULL and ASU. I would hate to see us lose two of the better names and programs.
There are a couple of schools holding this up. Chiefly UAB since they lobbied for Eastern adds and another couple adds could put them in the West division.
Well ULL and Ark State would put them back in the east.
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(05-13-2013 11:41 AM)panama Wrote:  
(05-13-2013 11:21 AM)hapapp Wrote:  
(05-13-2013 10:41 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  I don't think anything has been finalized, but wasn't there a motion to cap Group of 5 base revenue at $1 million per school or $12 million max? If that holds up, a 16-team CUSA would mean a $250K loss per school on the base. Are they thinking TV wants to pay more for the FAU vs North Texas game in CUSA than they did in the SBC?

CUSA doesn't look any more attractive to me than the SBC from an Eastern perspective, but I can see where a Western SBC school might want to move for geographical/rivalry reasons. Otherwise, it looks like winning on the field will be the path to more money in G5 (as it should be). It's certainly going to be interesting to watch this next chapter of college football classification unfold for the rest of this decade.

They claim that moving to 16 allows them to offset expenses to make up for the loss of revenue sharing. Some think the league accepts the concept but can't agree who to add...east v. west.

If they do expand, I hope for the SBC's sake we keep ULL and ASU. I would hate to see us lose two of the better names and programs.
There are a couple of schools holding this up. Chiefly UAB since they lobbied for Eastern adds and another couple adds could put them in the West division.

How do you know this is factual ? One or two schools cannot really block anything as it's just one or two votes. When or if the decision is made to invite additional schools, the presidents (all 14) as a whole will make the decision, not one or two. UAB might recommend but that's all. As I've said numerous times in the past, I personally prefer staying at the existing 14.
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(05-13-2013 11:21 AM)hapapp Wrote:  
(05-13-2013 10:41 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  I don't think anything has been finalized, but wasn't there a motion to cap Group of 5 base revenue at $1 million per school or $12 million max? If that holds up, a 16-team CUSA would mean a $250K loss per school on the base. Are they thinking TV wants to pay more for the FAU vs North Texas game in CUSA than they did in the SBC?

CUSA doesn't look any more attractive to me than the SBC from an Eastern perspective, but I can see where a Western SBC school might want to move for geographical/rivalry reasons. Otherwise, it looks like winning on the field will be the path to more money in G5 (as it should be). It's certainly going to be interesting to watch this next chapter of college football classification unfold for the rest of this decade.

They claim that moving to 16 allows them to offset expenses to make up for the loss of revenue sharing. Some think the league accepts the concept but can't agree who to add...east v. west.

If they do expand, I hope for the SBC's sake we keep ULL and ASU. I would hate to see us lose two of the better names and programs.

Although I do not want to see them go, would reduce name controversies, and we could alternately utilize ASU.
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