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RE: GOR SIGNED BY ALL 15 SCHOOLS
Missouri entered the league knowing their division. Who are they missing out on that is so close to them? They are an outlier in that conference all around.
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(04-25-2013 06:44 AM)Ragu Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 06:21 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 10:30 AM)Ragu Wrote:  It is ridiculous that you keep saying that schools close together should schedule each other OOC and take away schedule flexibiilty and extra home games which lead to more revenue. It doesn't happen anywhere for a reason. And it is stupid to think the burden is on these schools to make sacrifices to make up for the league being inept.

Look across all conferences. They all have divisions that make sense. And like I said, give me another conference where a team has its closest conference team in the other division while having the 2 furthest teams in division. It doesn't happen. THe ACC is the only conference where the divisions make no sense whatsoever.

Nobody can give me an example of a school having its closest conference team (GT) in the other division while having the 2 furthest teams (cuse/bc) as annual divisional games. That is all that needs to be said. THat is a league issue. It isn't up to FSU to give up revenue and scheduling flexibility to fix it.
"It is ridiculous that you keep saying that schools close together should schedule each other OOC and take away schedule flexibiilty and extra home games which lead to more revenue. It doesn't happen anywhere for a reason."

You're absolutely right. That reason is that EVERY other major conference has a 9 game schedule and the ACC has an 8 game schedule.

What you want won't happen without a 9 game schedule and that would mean GT and FSU would play less and FSU and Miami would play less. It would also mean that the ACCCG would make less, so FSU would get a smaller distribution, and FSU wouldn't play in it as often. It would also mean that FSU would lose OOC games.

As mentioned earlier, no other conference is like the ACC because no other conference has an 8 game schedule. You aren't going to get your special short schedule that is designed specifically for FSU and a special division lineup. It's one or the other and you would have to be very, very stupid to turn down the 8 game schedule. The current setup benefits you in every way.

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Don't get me wrong, I am all for a 9 game schedule with 2 rivalry games and a floating game. It would screw over FSU, Clemson, Miami, and GT, but that's not my problem. It would actually benefit Syracuse.

Um the SEC has 8 conference games and the Big 10 just had 8 conference games until the switch that is happening going to 14.

But even with 8 or 9, find me team who doesn't play their closest conference team in proximity to them (let alone having the 2 furthest teams from them in their division). Find me another team that has this problem. Stop dodging this.

People have already highlighted how only idiots think it makes perfect sense for 2 teams close together in a conference to schedule each other OOC 10 out of 12 years. The ACC is the one at fault for this and FSU/GT shouldn't have to give up an extra OOC game that is either another source of revenue (home game) or a premier matchup/scheduling flexbility.

FSU already has Florida every year. Now they have ND every 3 years locked in. If you add GT in most years as a given, they have very little room to maneauver. And they shouldn't be penalized because the league is inept.

You can't see this because you are coming from a crap conference and love getting the FSU/Clemson trips every year. To Syracuse fans, those long trips are great to the premier football schools in the conference. It isn't desirable at all for FSU/Clemson though.

The B1G had (that's past tense which means that it is no longer applicable) 8 games and I heard that the SEC is going to 9 (although, you're right. They currently only have a 8 game schedule). If we are going by past schedules, the ACC had 7 games (at one point in time). What's your point?

And you aren't forced to play ND every 3rd year. You have the option to play ND every 3rd year. If you don't like it, then DON'T DO IT. I think that you would be crazy not to, but it isn't my call. STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT YOUR OWN CHOICES!

Even then, even with GT, UF, and ND, you still have an extra OOC game. It's not like your hands are tied. Given that you use your OOC games on the likes of Nevada, Idaho, and Bethune-Cookman (3/4 OOC games for FSU next year), I don't see why you care. You would be losing 2/12ths of a home game by playing ND and 5/12ths of a home game by playing GT. That's a combined total of 7/12ths of a home game against really, really bad OOC teams (i.e. Idaho and Nevada), but it's saving you the money spent to get teams to make one-way trips, AND you are getting a higher quality OOC. GT + ND > Idaho + Nevada. If anything, your schedule would be on the verge of being too hard, which is the real reason why I think that you don't do it.

I agree. It's a stupid setup, but it exists because FSU is the school that wanted it and the ACC caved to FSU's demands. It benefits FSU. Once again, STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT YOUR OWN CHOICES. The current setup only benefits 4 schools: FSU, Clemson, Miami, and GT. Every other school would be better off with a 9-2 setup. If your AD wanted a 9-2 setup, it would happen in minutes because it means more Florida, South Carolina, and Georgia games for everyone else.

So, like I said earlier, if you don't like the current setup, then direct the angry letter/complaints to FSU's atheltic dept., not us. We don't like it either, but we put up with it so that FSU can have a special schedule.

SIDE NOTE: The whole argument about FSU needing more scheduling flexibility is silly. Earleir this year, your AD was complaining that it was getting harder and harder to get top tier teams to come to Tally as conference schedules got longer and longer, and as FSU's shine faded (I think he said that while he was saber ratteling about wanting to jump to the SEC, which was around when you scheduled a home and home with BSU).

It's like no matter what you get, you complain and want something else.
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You are repeating the same crap over and over again yet you don't realize that you make no sense.

No team is going to schedule 4 tough OOC games. That isn't going to happen EVER. There are going to be easy wins requiring no road games vs the opponent on every power 5 team's schedule period.

The 9 game conference setup you are talking about for the hundreth time is fantasy. There were never 2 guaranteed games on those schedules. It was always just another random game from the other division. FSU gains nothing from that. Maybe this talk happened before your school entered the conference and you don't know about it or something...

FSU shouldn't have to give up scheduling flexbility and revenue to schedule the closest team in their own fricken conference in a non conference game. That is beyond ridiculous.

I will ask you once again. Give me another team whose closest conference opponent is in the other division and whose 2 furthest trips are in division. Doesn't happen. Purdue/Indiana is one example but the BIg 10 gave them a guaranteed game every year to make up for it.

The ACC is the only one that has stupid ass divisions that make no sense. The reason you guys are fine with it is because you are coming from a crap conference and the 2 far trips are 2 premier ACC football schools. FSU/Clemson gain nothing from playing Syracuse/BC and the fans hate the matchups.

PS: Yeah bring up the non conference for FSU this year ignoring the future. They only have 3 cake opponents due to the ACC stuff being switched back and forth and WVU backing out on them. Going forward, they will 2-3 tough opponents. Next year has Oklahoma State/Florida/ND out of conference.

The fact that you can't see how stupid it is to tell FSU/GT to schedule an OOC game 10 out of 12 years in a cycle shows how little you truly know about football scheduling. They shouldn't have to sacrifice for the ACC to stop being inept.
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(04-25-2013 12:29 PM)Ragu Wrote:  You are repeating the same crap over and over again yet you don't realize that you make no sense.

No team is going to schedule 4 tough OOC games. That isn't going to happen EVER. There are going to be easy wins requiring no road games vs the opponent on every power 5 team's schedule period.

The 9 game conference setup you are talking about for the hundreth time is fantasy. There were never 2 guaranteed games on those schedules. It was always just another random game from the other division. FSU gains nothing from that. Maybe this talk happened before your school entered the conference and you don't know about it or something...

FSU shouldn't have to give up scheduling flexbility and revenue to schedule the closest team in their own fricken conference in a non conference game. That is beyond ridiculous.

I will ask you once again. Give me another team whose closest conference opponent is in the other division and whose 2 furthest trips are in division. Doesn't happen. Purdue/Indiana is one example but the BIg 10 gave them a guaranteed game every year to make up for it.

The ACC is the only one that has stupid ass divisions that make no sense. The reason you guys are fine with it is because you are coming from a crap conference and the 2 far trips are 2 premier ACC football schools. FSU/Clemson gain nothing from playing Syracuse/BC and the fans hate the matchups.

PS: Yeah bring up the non conference for FSU this year ignoring the future. They only have 3 cake opponents due to the ACC stuff being switched back and forth and WVU backing out on them. Going forward, they will 2-3 tough opponents. Next year has Oklahoma State/Florida/ND out of conference.

The fact that you can't see how stupid it is to tell FSU/GT to schedule an OOC game 10 out of 12 years in a cycle shows how little you truly know about football scheduling. They shouldn't have to sacrifice for the ACC to stop being inept.

"The 9 game conference setup you are talking about for the hundreth time is fantasy."

Here's your problem: you're missing my point COMPLETELY. It doesn't matter if it would happen or not. That's beyond the scope of my point. I am using it as a measuring stick. You said that you would be OK with that setup. I am simply saying that if you're OK with that, then you should be OK with a system that is equal to (or better than) that system in EVERY POSSIBLE WAY from FSU's perspective.

In a 9-2 fantasy system, which you're OK with you get:
1 yearly reg season game against Miami
1 yealry reg season game against Georgia Tech
1 yearly reg season game against Clemson
1 yearly reg season game against Florida
and 2 free OOC games against whoever you want

In the current system, which you're irrationally not OK with, you get the option of:
1 yearly reg season game against Miami
1 yealry reg season game against Georgia Tech
1 yearly reg season game against Clemson
1 yearly reg season game against Florida
and 2.17 free OOC games against whoever you want, and that extra .17 games comes by reducing the number of non-rivalry ACC games.

In short, you get everything that you want (all your rivalry games and more OOC games) and less of what you don't want (non-rivalry ACC games). It benefits FSU in EVERY way. If you are OK with the 9-2 setup, why aren't you OK with the current setup? It's the EXACT SAME THING, except you get MORE OOC games by playing fewer NON-rival ACC games.

For the zillionth time, I agree that the system is screwed up. FSU should have to play the rest of the conference more often. However, the current system is the work of YOUR AD. I can assure you that every non-southern four team would LOVE more trips down to GA, SC, and FL, and every non-southern four team would love more home games against FSU and Clemson.

As for ND, once again, nobody is forcing FSU to play ND. FSU has the option to play ND. If FSU doesn't want to play FSU, then they are allowed to let another ACC team take their place. The only reason that FSU is playing ND is because FSU wants to play ND. Complain all you want, but direct it at your AD.

"No team is going to schedule 4 tough OOC games."
I never said that any team would.
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I said as a last resort 9 games is better if GT plays FSU every year. That still isn't ideal . It is fantasy land though because that option was never on the table. It was always another random team rather than 2 protected crossovers.

An 8 game schedule could easily happen with right divisions if the ACC wasn't inept. It is their fault that GT and FSU are going to go 10 years without playing each other in each cycle. There is no excuse for that happening while FSU gets fricken Cuse/BC every year. And the OOC stuff for GT/FSU is garbage for the reasons said a million times in this thread.
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When Missouri first joined the SEC, they did not play their closest rival, Arkansas. That's because they were placed in the SEC East and had Texas A&M as a cross-over. All of that was done to protect the GA/AU - AU/AL - AL/TN rivalries in the middle of the conference.

I write "they DID not" play Arkansas because the SEC teams voted to CHANGE cross-overs to make it happen. Now it will be MO/AR and TXAM/SC.

If the SEC - more traditional than the ACC when it comes to football - can do the right thing, why can't we?
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(04-25-2013 02:10 PM)Ragu Wrote:  I said as a last resort 9 games is better if GT plays FSU every year...It is fantasy land though because that option was never on the table.

In a 9-2 fantasy system, which you're OK with, you get:
1 yearly reg season game against Miami
1 yealry reg season game against Georgia Tech
1 yearly reg season game against Clemson
1 yearly reg season game against Florida
and 2 free OOC games against whoever you want

In the current system, which you're irrationally not OK with, you get the option of:
1 yearly reg season game against Miami
1 yealry reg season game against Georgia Tech
1 yearly reg season game against Clemson
1 yearly reg season game against Florida
and 2.17 free OOC games against whoever you want, and that extra .17 games comes by reducing the number of non-rivalry ACC games.

How is a 9-2 better? In what way? Name one.
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I get what nzmorange is saying. By playing GT OOC in the years in which FSU wouldn't normally play them, the schedule is the same as a 9-game ACC schedule with 2 fixed cross-overs. However, the 8-game plus GT as OOC schedule has the advantage of freeing up an extra OOC spot in the years when FSU actually plays GT in conference. So you can add a game like Oklahoma State in Dallas for those seasons.

[I still don't like playing ACC teams OOC though] 05-nono
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UNC-UVA
NCSU-VaTech
Duke-WF
Clem-SU
GT-Pitt
FSU-Louisville
Miami-BC

That just doesn't seem fair.

Once Louisville joins are they going to be paired with UVA? I think it should be UVA-BC and VT-UL.
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I think that it should be a 9-2 setup with:

ATLANTIC
FSU
GT
NCSU
WF
Pitt
VT
UL

COASTAL
Miami
Clemson
UNC
Duke
UVA
Syracuse
Boston College

TERRY DIVISION
ND

ATLANTIC CROSSOVERS
FSU - Miami & Clemson
GT - Clemson & Miami
NCSU - UNC & Duke
WF - Duke & UNC
Pitt - Syracuse & UVA
VT - UVA & BC
UL - BC & Syracuse

COASTAL CROSSOVERS
Miami - FSU & GT
Clemson - GT & FSU
UNC - NCSU & WF
Duke - WF & NCSU
UVA - VT & Pitt
Syracuse - Pitt & UL
Boston College - UL & VT

TERRY DIVISION CROSSOVERS
ND - ACC (once every 2.8 years)

Each team plays its own division, its two rivals, and one floating game against the non-rivals in the other division.

*There is a defacto southern mini-conference of Miami, FSU, Clemson, GT. (aka "SEC lite")
*There is a defacto North Carolina mini-conference of NCSU, UNC, WF, and Duke. (aka "cliche ACC")
*There is a defacto northern mini-conference of UVA, VT, Pitt, UL, SU, and BC. (aka "BIG EAST plus UVA")

Each division has one Florida school, one non-Florida southern school, 2 NC schools, and 1 midwestern(ish) school, which spreads recruiting as evenly as possible. It also makes the possibility of two southern schools meeting in the CCG as high as possible. The conferences aren't perfectly balanced, but they are more balanced than before. Also, each conference has one of the top 2 traveling schools in it.
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(04-25-2013 05:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I get what nzmorange is saying. By playing GT OOC in the years in which FSU wouldn't normally play them, the schedule is the same as a 9-game ACC schedule with 2 fixed cross-overs. However, the 8-game plus GT as OOC schedule has the advantage of freeing up an extra OOC spot in the years when FSU actually plays GT in conference. So you can add a game like Oklahoma State in Dallas for those seasons.

[I still don't like playing ACC teams OOC though] 05-nono

I don't either. Bending to one school makes the ACC look weak, but it isn't my call. If it was, we would have a 9-2 system (see post above).
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(04-24-2013 10:05 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  Going based on geography is dumb because 1) it ruins any chance of the southern schools A) meeting in a championship game and B) playing multiple times in a season, which means that FSU and Clemson will have less opportunities to play GT and Miami with geographic divisions, 2) it riuns the chance of any given southern school making a championship game because as of right now, 2/4 can make it, but if they were all in one division, only 1/4 could make it, and 3) FSU, Clemson, Miami, and GT all have an opportunity to play all 3 of the other southern schools AT LEAST once a year in UNDER a 9 game "conference" schedule (8.8333... game yearly schedule), AND all 4 schools have an opportunity to make one of their harderst "conference" games not count towards the conference standings 83% of the time.

As of right now, GT, Clemson, FSU, and Miami could have ALL of their major conference rivals on their schedule AND .1666...7 more yearly OOC games than ANY other school in ANY other major conference. They also have relatively easy walk to a championship game and an opportunity to play 2/3 of their rivals a 2nd time in that game, which will either be held in NC (which touches GA and SC), or FL (which touches GA and is where UF and Miami are). But beyond that, a school like GT could have one conference loss (to someone other than UNC), lose to FSU "OOC", and still beat out a one-loss UNC for a spot in the division championship game, even though they would have 2 losses to ACC teams and UNC would only have 1 loss.

The fact that it doesn't work out that way is a matter for the AD's of those four schools, not the conference. Going to a 9 game schedule (even one with 2 protected rivalries) or geographic divisions would actually screw FSU, GT, Miami, and CU. At the very least, they would either lose games against each other, or they would lose OOC games, and their conference records would take a hit.


Championship game rematches are ratings and attendance and fan interest losers.

Geographic divisions never hurt the Big 12 (which is just as south heavy in football as the ACC) or the SEC (which has flip flopped from very east heavy to very west heavy).


The Big XII had Nebraska in the north. Unless you see either ND or PSU joining, there is no Nebraska in the ACC north. I love Syracuse, we aren't the Nebraska of the 90's, and neither is Pitt, BC, VPI, UL, UVA, or anyone else in the northeast. Nebraska, has the longest sellout streak in the nation and fielded the best teams ever (i.e. "the children of the corn") when they were in the Big XII.

The SEC is extremely balanced and always has been, both in terms of quality of play and recruiting. Putting FSU, Miami, GT, and Clemson isn't even close to being balanced. The best two teams in the ACC are FSU and Clemson, and Miami has more potential than almost any other school in the nation, if not literally every school in the nation. How would you even begin to balance that out? Or how do you even begin to balance out the fact that Florida, especially south Florida, is only rivaled by Texas and California in terms of producing quality football players.

It may be true that rematches are bad for ratings and attendance, but one-sided games are worse (see OB, last year's ACCCCG, and just about every body bag game ever played).

Anyway, being able to say that the only thing between your team and a CCG is one high level team, two medium-level teams, and 3 lower level teams is a great recruiting tool.

Honestly, it would be one thing is the ACC played a 9 game schedule and FSU, Miami, GT, and Clemson didn't play each other every year, but that isn't the case. You can play every single one of your in-conference rivals every year and still have a schedule that is shorter than the schedule of any team in any other power conference.

I am personally all for a 9-2 schedule, but it would cost FSU, Clemson, GT, and Miami OOC games. Thats' great for the rest of the conference, but I have absolutely no idea why those schools would want it.

It's like being in the same division. I really, really don't think that you actually want that. Correct me if I'm wrong and you really do want to finish 3rd place* in your division the vast majority of years, but I think that you just want yearly games against Clemson, Miami, and FSU, so why go after a fly with a bazooka? Why lose the ability to tell GA recruits that if they come to GT, they can play in a conf. championship game, whereas if they go to UGA, they will have to beat out Tennessee (who is admittedly down right now, but will be back soon), Florida, and USCarolina?

*This isn't a shot at GT, I'm just assuming that FSU wins the division virtually every year and GT, Miami, and Clemson take turns being #2, so that in an average year, each is #3.

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As it stands right now, GT could have Clemson, FSU, Miami, UGA, Pitt, Virginia Tech, UNC and ND on its schedule every 3rd year. Assuming that you play a FCS team or a Sun Belt team for a cheap home game and an easy win, you are left with Duke, UVA, and one random ACC team in the other division. That isn't a bad schedule at all. Even Florida has to play Vandy and Kentucky, and Alabama has to play 'Ole Miss and MSU.

FSU could have Clemson, Miami, GT, UL, UF, ND, NCSU, and a OOC team every 3rd year. That leaves 1 ACC coastal team (50% chance of VT, UNC, or Pitt, and a 17% chance of an extra OOC game of their choosing - 67% chance of something good happening), Wake Forest (who isn't any good, but still managed to go to an ACC championship game a couple of years ago), Syracuse (who I really don't think is bad - we were very good in the 50's and 60's, very bad in the 70's, very good in the 80's and 90's, and very bad in the 00's, but we seem to be getting a lot better now - btw, see a pattern?), and Boston College (who is terrible right now, but was good enough to go to an ACC championship game a couple of years ago). That's 3.33 "bad" games out of a 12 game schedule, and that's counting SU and BC as bad games. Like I said earlier, even Florida has Vandy and Kentucky every year (2/12 bad games).

The ACC CG was a close game and not decided until under 5 minutes to play. The problem was nobody in the Coastal was a ranked opponent.

Also, your hypothetical pitch to a recruit for GT over U(sic)GA was the most beta pitch of all time. Come to GT ... because you're scared to play good teams! Golly coach sign my ass up I don't want to play anybody of actual merit! Those players aren't coming to GT anyway .... they're going to Boise State or somewhere else where they play 1 to 3 meaningful games a year and can make a BCS game on inertia beyond that. I don't mind playing FSU and Clemson every year. GT has dominated the series with Clemson recently and all time. We have a much harder time with Miami for whatever reason. So geographic divisions that punt Miami to the North is actually a help. But you don't get to be the best without playing the best. I realize Bill Snyder made a name for himself playing cupcake city in the 90's and early 00's ... but nobody EVER took them seriously on the national stage. And why should they have ... Texas and Oklahoma crushed them every year.
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(04-26-2013 02:57 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  [1] The problem was nobody in the Coastal was a ranked opponent.

[2]Also, your hypothetical pitch to a recruit for GT over U(sic)GA was the most beta pitch of all time. Come to GT ... because you're scared to play good teams!...I don't mind playing FSU and Clemson every year...
1. Exactly.
2. A) The irony is that by going to geographic divisions, you actually get an easier schedule, but a harder road to a CCG. You get the worst of both worlds.
B) You clearly misunderstand my pitch. It isn't that you would have a softer schedule. It's that you would have an easier road to a conference championship game. Those are two very different things. I'll give you an example that illustrates the difference: I think that the average Pac team is worse than the average ACC team most years, but I think that the best Pac team is better than the best ACC team most years. That means that although the average Pac team has a softer schedule than the ACC, it is much harder to win the Pac title. Splitting up the best teams, but making them play each other every year makes the schedule as hard as it can possibly be (because each elite team plays every other elite team in the reg season and then has a chance for a 2nd elite team in the post season), but it makes the trip to the CCG as easy as it can possibly be for any of those top tier teams. "My" sales pitch is "we can offer a comperable schedule AND a higher chance of a trip to a conference championship game," not "we can offer a soft schedule that will let you sleep walk into a conference championship game."
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(04-22-2013 08:57 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  
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(04-22-2013 06:55 PM)westmc9th Wrote:  Divisions as of now are set in stone, FSU asked for a geographic split but was shot down by UVA. Also GT doesnt want to move feels it can be other dominant in coastal division



so Virginia is keeping Louisville as cross over?

VT would gladly switch with UVA. I'm not sure BC or UVA would go for it but the BC "rivalry" is contrived.

yea your rivals because you entered the acc semi together

It was contrived because we joined almost together but then by playing in 2 consecutive championship games, the higher ups think it is a rivalry worth protecting. I'll bet 90% of Hokies would take Louisville over BC though. BC doesn't have any fans so they don't count.
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(04-23-2013 12:47 AM)Cardinals Wrote:  
(04-22-2013 10:29 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  I presume Louisville will just slide into Maryland's spot and play home and home's with Pitt and Virginia.

If the ACC wants to maximize potential TV viewership, they'll find a way to get UofL & Cuse together home and away.

I don't know about that. There's plenty of attractive schools to have each paired up with in basketball.
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Prior to Maryland to the Big Ten, the ACC was pretty much always all about "fairness" with no regard for what was best for the conference. They finally seem to realize that what's best for the whole IS fair. I think it's a LOT more balanced now. Still, I wouldn't expect the ACC to do anything which would completely sacrifice any team for the sake of revenue. "Fair" is still a factor - just not the ONLY one.
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(04-23-2013 12:05 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(04-23-2013 12:02 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Actually the Big Ten had this issue. There were times where Michigan and Michigan St played "OOC" because it was their turn to skip each other in conference.

Yeah, but I think they fixed that by going to a 9 game schedule. I might be wrong, though.

That and they fixed it by putting Mich, Mich St., OSU and PSU all in the same division.
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(04-23-2013 11:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  GTS's Perfect* Divisions, Current Teams:

Coastal ---------------- Atlantic:
Florida State ----------- Miami
Georgia Tech ----------- Pittsburgh
Clemson --------------- Virginia Tech
North Carolina ---------- Virginia
Duke ------------------- Syracuse
Wake Forest ------------ Boston College
NC State --------------- Louisville



GTS's Perfect* Divisions, Ideal Teams:

[Note: Pitt shifts depending on who the magic 16th is]

ACC Coastal South:
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami
Clemson

ACC Coastal North:
North Carolina
NC State
Wake Forest
Duke

ACC Atlantic South:
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Cincinnati OR Pittsburgh
Louisville

ACC Atlantic North:
Syracuse
Notre Dame
Boston College
Penn State OR Pittsburgh




* - Does not apply if you are delusional enough to think Charlottesville or Miami is "Southern". Charlottesville is a few more government agencies from being a DC exurb and Miami is an extra Borough at this point.

There is a scenario where this comes close to fruition. Namely, the magic date for MD to leave rolls around and they don't leave. Leaving the ACC with 15 football playing schools and the B1G with 13. Both conferences needing an extra school for balanced divisions offer UConn and they choose the B1G, leaving the ACC with Cincy. Then the logical divisional breakdown is close to one of the options GTS suggests.

ACC Coastal South:
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami
Clemson

ACC Coastal North:
North Carolina
NC State
Wake Forest
Duke

ACC Atlantic South:
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Cincinnati
Louisville

ACC Atlantic North:
Syracuse
Maryland
Boston College
Pittsburgh

Everyone should be happy except maybe UVA and VT but I'd be ok with it. Everyone gets 2 games a year versus a NC school and 1 game a year versus a Va. and Fla. school. You would need 9 conference games and no permanent partners though. The best part is the ACC gets conference semi-final games to sell and market that no other conference has. So more revenue for us.

edit: As a bonus, it would also make the conference footprint have a perfect WVA sized hole in the middle of it.
Also, I could see Maryland objecting to being in an all old BE division but since they would have created this mess, I think they'd have to accept it.
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(04-24-2013 09:44 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Get the rules changed to go divisionless and give everyone three protected rivals.

BC - Miami, Syracuse, Louisville
Cuse - BC, Pitt, 'Ville
Louisville - Pitt, Cuse, BC
Pitt- 'Ville, Cuse, VT
VT- Miami, UVA, Pitt
UVA - VT, UNC, Wake
UNC - NCSU, Duke, UVA
Duke - Wake, UNC, GT
Wake - Duke, NCSU, UVA
NCSU - UNC, Wake, Clemson
Clemson - GT, FSU, NCSU
GT - FSU, Clemson, Duke
FSU - GT, Clemson, Miami
Miami - VT, FSU, BC

The teams could be changed some if need be but the point is you would only have three permanent games and then you would rotate the other 5 between the other 10 teams. Ideally you would take the top four teams and have a semi final and championship game. Picking a winner is where it gets difficult. Use the same methodology they use to pick the football playoff to keep it consistent.

To do that, we'd have to give up our championship game and that's not going to happen.

Edit: I realize you said get a rule change but the NCAA hasn't even been willing to budge on conference semi-finals much less saying screw divisions and we want a championship game any way.
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