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Quote:Story of this game was our lack of offense. You can attribute it to a few things: 1. Out guards lack play making abilities. 2. We were on the road against the defending conference champ who is undefeated on their turf this year. 3. We lack a player like Mike Williams, Ben Reed, Joe Reitz, or David Kool that can literally take over a game on offense. Darius could be that guy down the road, he still has work to do.

Hawkins can wreck a players game faster than you can say Levi Rost.

Ben Reed came to WMU with a great inside game. He could get to the hole and get fouled at will, often getting an and-one. McCullum had him doing that as a freshmen. Hawk turned him into a jump shooter.

Rost played with Brian Snider in an MSU pro camp tourney after graduation. It had two teams with full contingents of MSU players from very good teams. The WMU team won the tourney. Rost was unstoppable. But Hawk could stop him. Instead of turning him loose he reined him in, and made him look fairly pedestrian. Don't get me started on Dave Kool.

The Hawkster has done a marvelous job of making Nate Richie into Pete Maravich minus the 44 points per game. Nate's got the floppy Maravich hair, he dribble around a lot, and he's constantly looking to distribute the ball to someone coming off a ball screen. What he isn't doing is looking for HIS SHOT. He's become a distributor first, and a PG trying to set the offense second. It's been sad to watch.
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(01-10-2013 01:54 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  EA
Quote:Story of this game was our lack of offense. You can attribute it to a few things: 1. Out guards lack play making abilities. 2. We were on the road against the defending conference champ who is undefeated on their turf this year. 3. We lack a player like Mike Williams, Ben Reed, Joe Reitz, or David Kool that can literally take over a game on offense. Darius could be that guy down the road, he still has work to do.

Hawkins can wreck a players game faster than you can say Levi Rost.

Ben Reed came to WMU with a great inside game. He could get to the hole and get fouled at will, often getting an and-one. McCullum had him doing that as a freshmen. Hawk turned him into a jump shooter.

Rost played with Brian Snider in an MSU pro camp tourney after graduation. It had two teams with full contingents of MSU players from very good teams. The WMU team won the tourney. Rost was unstoppable. But Hawk could stop him. Instead of turning him loose he reined him in, and made him look fairly pedestrian. Don't get me started on Dave Kool.

The Hawkster has done a marvelous job of making Nate Richie into Pete Maravich minus the 44 points per game. Nate's got the floppy Maravich hair, he dribble around a lot, and he's constantly looking to distribute the ball to someone coming off a ball screen. What he isn't doing is looking for HIS SHOT. He's become a distributor first, and a PG trying to set the offense second. It's been sad to watch.

I think your dislike for Hawk affects your opinions of our players.

Ben Reed:
01-02: 14.2 PPG
02-03: 7.4 PPG
03-04: 16.0 PPG
04-05: 17.7

What more do you want from Ben Reed? Do you realize how difficult it is to average 20 PPG in the MAC? Any idea how many guys have done it in the last 20 years? His average went down his sophomore year because of the knee injury he sustained at the end of his frosh campaign. His junior year, approximately 1/2 his FG's were from inside the arc. He also went to the line more than Anthony Kann that year. His senior year, he took approximately 30 more shots from inside the arc, than outside. He also went to the line more than any other Bronco that year, including Rost and Reitz. His frosh season was the same ratio as his senior season in regards to FG's taken. The big difference, he took twice as many FT's as a senior. How does your analysis of Ben Reed make any sense?

Levi Rost:

03-04: 6.9 PPG (7th or 8th man that year)
04-05: 16.5 PPG

Hawk reigned him in? Huh? Rost had the green light every time he had the ball...both years he played. The difference was he had other studs in front of him as a junior. He took 213 shots from 3 land as a senior. Kool didn't even shoot that many 3's as a senior.

In regards to their summer league team. That tells us NOTHING.

Don't even get me started on DK. If you insist on bagging on Hawkins, I'd recommend going after the development of everyone else not named Kool, Reitz, Reed, Snider, and Rost.


You keep talking about Richie and saying we are asking him to do things he isn't accustomed to doing. You do realize that these guys play more AAU games than they play in high school right? Do you think Richie played the same in both leagues? Or is it more likely that you are blinded by his 30 ppg scoring average in high school and automatically think it should translate in the MAC? At some point in time, it isn't the coach's fault when a player doesn't play well.
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So who gets credit for the development of Shayne Whittington?
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This is the Lloyd McClendon argument.

There are good and bad coaches. There are also good and bad players that can overcome good/bad coaching.
01-10-2013 03:38 PM
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Well, we've analyzed the heck out of this one. Bottom line, it was just a miserable game all around for our guys.

Going forward: Against Ohio (and I will be there, going nuts cheering us on) I will be looking for us really, and I mean Tom Izzo really, to crash the heck out of the boards first, and second for us to play defense like demons. Those are things we can control, and those are things we gave up on against Akron.
I believe that if we improve in those two areas we will at least give Ohio a DOGFIGHT in our own building. We need to capture every, every loose ball.
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Well, there's also the fact that OU has been pretty brutal on the road. Combine that with D and boards and we might have a shot.

A lot depends on the mindset of the team and how badly their egos shattered after the debacle in Zips-ville. Can they forget about it?
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(01-10-2013 04:40 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Well, there's also the fact that OU has been pretty brutal on the road. Combine that with D and boards and we might have a shot.

A lot depends on the mindset of the team and how badly their egos shattered after the debacle in Zips-ville. Can they forget about it?

^this
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Quote:I think your dislike for Hawk affects your opinions of our players.

Ben Reed:
01-02: 14.2 PPG
02-03: 7.4 PPG
03-04: 16.0 PPG
04-05: 17.7

Wow, you mean Ben Reed scored 2.5 ppg more as a senior than he did as a freshmen. Hawk sure can coach'em up :domokun:

Quote:What more do you want from Ben Reed?
Do you realize how difficult it is to average 20 PPG in the MAC?

The MAC is a WEAKSAUCE LEAGUE, PARTICULARLY THE WEST DIVISION. If Jimmer Ferdett can average near 30 in a much tougher league Reed could have averaged 20 if he'd developed the way he should have. Coming out of high school Kelvin Tolbert (Flint NW) was considered the best player in the state by far. He was Mr. Bbball in MI. By his junior year many experts were saying that Ben Reed was the best player in the state.

I can't think of one Hawkins player who truly developed under Hawk.

Joe Reitz never got better. He couldn't throw a kick out as a freshmen nor as a senior.

DK regularly scored 10 points using the Hawkins system, and we'd be down a dozen. Then with about 8 minutes to go, Kook would chuck the system, take things into his own hands, win the game, and end up with 30 pts. WE ALL SAW IT COMING EACH AND EVERY GAME.

Rost was the WMU version of Larry Bird, except he didn't have quite the same green light. But he did have it in the tourney at MSU (and yes, there were NBA scouts there, so they were probably trying harder than ever). Rost lit up the guys from MSU...........without Hawk's sage advice. Hawk is a disciple of John Wooden, minus a HS All American at every position. When Wooden had a player that was clearly over and above everyone he turned him loose, i.e. Jabbar, Walton, Johnson, etc. Hawk doesn't know how to do that, even with a guy like Dave Kool.

The results speak for themselves. Never got past round two in the MAC tourney with Dave Kool.

How is we lose so many players to injuries? Jon Workman, barely played a game. Hess, spent half his career injured. Brown, constantly injured, Ward injured, out of shape, and injured some more.

The list of players who never developed is endless. Has there ever been a player with more high school hype than Mo Conteh (Indiana freshmen of the year), who developed less game. Why is it that Kent can bring in three JC's and win the MAC, and we bring in a Caleb Dean?

And the list of key players who left the team seems to grow each year....................Lowe, Howard, Stainbrook

Hawk is a classic example of a guy being in the right place at the right time. He's also a guy with a line of b.s. a mile long, and it's saved his arse for many years.

We wont win the West and we won't get past the second round of the tourney. He needs to go at some point.
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MHB-yeah I think they can put it behind them. They're kids, they live for the moment, and hopefully we the fans, the band, the cheerleaders, the dancin girls, the kids, and even Bronco Johnny goin nuts can get these guys goin.
With such a short OOC home schedule (four games for gauds sake) I don't even feel that connected to this team yet. But from what I have seen I think they can be something pretty special. They gotta show it Saturday.
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(01-10-2013 04:48 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  
Quote:I think your dislike for Hawk affects your opinions of our players.

Ben Reed:
01-02: 14.2 PPG
02-03: 7.4 PPG
03-04: 16.0 PPG
04-05: 17.7

Wow, you mean Ben Reed scored 2.5 ppg more as a senior than he did as a freshmen. Hawk sure can coach'em up :domokun:

Quote:What more do you want from Ben Reed?
Do you realize how difficult it is to average 20 PPG in the MAC?

The MAC is a WEAKSAUCE LEAGUE, PARTICULARLY THE WEST DIVISION. If Jimmer Ferdett can average near 30 in a much tougher league Reed could have averaged 20 if he'd developed the way he should have. Coming out of high school Kelvin Tolbert (Flint NW) was considered the best player in the state by far. He was Mr. Bbball in MI. By his junior year many experts were saying that Ben Reed was the best player in the state.

I can't think of one Hawkins player who truly developed under Hawk.

Joe Reitz never got better. He couldn't throw a kick out as a freshmen nor as a senior.

DK regularly scored 10 points using the Hawkins system, and we'd be down a dozen. Then with about 8 minutes to go, Kook would chuck the system, take things into his own hands, win the game, and end up with 30 pts. WE ALL SAW IT COMING EACH AND EVERY GAME.

Rost was the WMU version of Larry Bird, except he didn't have quite the same green light. But he did have it in the tourney at MSU (and yes, there were NBA scouts there, so they were probably trying harder than ever). Rost lit up the guys from MSU...........without Hawk's sage advice. Hawk is a disciple of John Wooden, minus a HS All American at every position. When Wooden had a player that was clearly over and above everyone he turned him loose, i.e. Jabbar, Walton, Johnson, etc. Hawk doesn't know how to do that, even with a guy like Dave Kool.

The results speak for themselves. Never got past round two in the MAC tourney with Dave Kool.

How is we lose so many players to injuries? Jon Workman, barely played a game. Hess, spent half his career injured. Brown, constantly injured, Ward injured, out of shape, and injured some more.

The list of players who never developed is endless. Has there ever been a player with more high school hype than Mo Conteh (Indiana freshmen of the year), who developed less game. Why is it that Kent can bring in three JC's and win the MAC, and we bring in a Caleb Dean?

And the list of key players who left the team seems to grow each year....................Lowe, Howard, Stainbrook

Hawk is a classic example of a guy being in the right place at the right time. He's also a guy with a line of b.s. a mile long, and it's saved his arse for many years.

We wont win the West and we won't get past the second round of the tourney. He needs to go at some point.

Your player analysis is beyond baffling.
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Ohio has lost every road game this season and in every game they looked out of sorts, flustered and overwhelmed. Long scoring droughts and high turnovers were factors.

I have no idea what will happen on Saturday, it could be close, or it could be a blow out, and I have no idea which team will be on top. Nothing will surprise me.

BUT.. if Ohio can play on the road like they do at home, they're nearly unbeatable in the MAC.
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Quote:Your player analysis is beyond baffling.

Way to splain yourself Lucy.
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(01-10-2013 05:06 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  EA
Quote:Your player analysis is beyond baffling.

Way to splain yourself Lucy.

Lol. Whatever you say.
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