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Quote:As for your stupid EZ and Jr. analogy, are you kidding me? There's not a player on your roster that could hold a candle to Trey Ziegler. If Heeke had a brain in his head he'd have kept the guy another year because that team would have run away with the MAC West. Now he's stuck with a coach with a dubious resume, and a cast of characters that resemble a rec ball team.



lololololol

The same TZ that's currently averaging less than 5 ppg for Pitt? The same TZ that shoots under 50% from the line? The same TZ that thinks de-fense goes around de-yard?

He's a steaming pile just like his old man. Fact. Try watching the games sometime.
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Quote:lololololol

The same TZ that's currently averaging less than 5 ppg for Pitt? The same TZ that shoots under 50% from the line? The same TZ that thinks de-fense goes around de-yard?

He's a steaming pile just like his old man. Fact. Try watching the games sometime.

Really, "de-yard"? You hayseed northern lower POS.
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Right, he was your leading scorer as a freshmen and a soph, he sucked. Lead all MAC freshmen in scoring as well. When you're 0-10 in MAC play come and tell me what a genius Keno is (the folks out east loved him), and tell me how great this collection of rec ball talent is.
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(12-18-2012 06:54 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  When you're 0-10 in MAC play


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Seriously, don't stop now! You're on a roll! 03-lmfao

Now, tell the class again how retaining EZ would have been a good idea. That is chuckle-worthy for sure.

Thanks!
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Quote:Now, tell the class again how retaining EZ would have been a good idea. That is chuckle-worthy for sure.

Trey Ziegler, the highest ranked recruit in CMU HISTORY. Freshmen of the year. Leading scorer as a freshmen.

McBroom- Transferred to a program that is ten times the program of CMU. He was very productive for a freshmen. You had him, now he's gone.

Derek Jackson- One of your leading scorers and was only a soph. A PG who could dish and score.

Collin Voss- Better than any player you have on the front line today. Gone.

Austin Barnes and Jevon Harden. Neither were stars, but they gave you the front court size that you lack today.

These kids were almost all freshmen and sophs.

If you want to kid yourself that addition by subtraction is the key to success, go right ahead. It's a 30 game season. When you've lost ten in a row in the MAC we'll see if you're as high on Keno's rec ball recruits as you are now.
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(12-18-2012 11:35 AM)wmubasketballsupporter Wrote:  Truthisfree: Thanks for the inside info on the recruiting process. I too have been impressed with CMU and their play to date. With that said, I hope we beat them twice this year!

I wanted to know your thoughts on Dontel Highsmith. Did WMU pursue Dontel and did we offer him a scholly?

Also wondering if you have any insight into the decision of the 8 feshmen this year to come to WMU. What did you hear, if anything, into why these young men chose WMU to play their college ball? Also interested in your thoughts on the decision of Kellen to red-shirt?

Thanks again for posting!

Dontel Highsmith is very talented. He has been under the radar after an injury slowed him early in high school. I think he is a high major talent but because his high school is not playing with the "big boys" he doesn't get the recognition. Add in he didn't play for high profile travel team. It may have been a quality club but not high enough profile to draw interest. With the exception of Kentucky and North Carolina, a lot of high majors are looking at 7-10th grade players. A late bloomer (11th grader) or a player that deals with injury during their early years falls behind in that level of recruiting.

I can't give insight into why WMU got the haul of recruits that it did. A heady player that commits can then be the spokesperson to recruit others. Klein pulled the trigger first, he is a PG, he played his final year of travel ball with some of the others McCormick, Perry and Tava. McCormick's dad was the coach. Good coaches leverage that player to player relationship to pull those other players. Coaches have limits on calls and means of contact but players do not. In recruiting, you get your commit to recruit other players on your list. Klein is a PG, why not help recruit guys you already have relationship and chemistry with. Of the in-state mid-majors, WMU was most stable outside of Oakland but Oakland is in a lower tiered conference. CMU had issues with winning and grades; EMU turns over coaches repeatedly and doesn't generate fan interest. If you want to remain in state, WMU was a great fit for all.

Also, Klein, Perry, Tava and McCormick and Paul played for Adidas affiliated travel teams while in high school, they probably crossed paths at tournaments and camps. WMU is an Adidas school. WMU was able to work the Adidas network of coaches.

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(12-18-2012 11:16 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  
Quote:Now, tell the class again how retaining EZ would have been a good idea. That is chuckle-worthy for sure.

Trey Ziegler, the highest ranked recruit in CMU HISTORY. Freshmen of the year. Leading scorer as a freshmen.

McBroom- Transferred to a program that is ten times the program of CMU. He was very productive for a freshmen. You had him, now he's gone.

Derek Jackson- One of your leading scorers and was only a soph. A PG who could dish and score.

Collin Voss- Better than any player you have on the front line today. Gone.

Austin Barnes and Jevon Harden. Neither were stars, but they gave you the front court size that you lack today.

These kids were almost all freshmen and sophs.

If you want to kid yourself that addition by subtraction is the key to success, go right ahead. It's a 30 game season. When you've lost ten in a row in the MAC we'll see if you're as high on Keno's rec ball recruits as you are now.

Dip: What do you use to determine if a program is 10 times better? RPI? SOS? NCAA tournament history? Players in the NBA? If you use any of those measurements, you are speaking ill of WMU as well compared to St. Louis. In the modern era, St. Louis has one more tourney appearance than CMU, 2 more than WMU, 1 more than EMU but EMU has a sweet 16 appearance. -- SLU has 3 NBA players; CMU has 6 ; WMU has 4; EMU has 10. I guess EMU is the best mid-major in the state of michigan based on tradition -- amazing they don't know how to leverage their history in recruiting.

that's the great thing about playing the games. Time and performance on the court will tell, not a blog.
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Quote:I think he is a high major talent but because his high school is not playing with the "big boys" he doesn't get the recognition.

He plays in the SMACC................you know, Kalamazoo Central, two time state champs in the last 5 years, three times in the finals in the last 5 years. Yeah, not playing with the big boys.

Starting center from Utah from Battle Creek Central. Starting SF from Dayton, Kalamazoo Central. Redshirt freshmen center at Ohio State, from Battle Creek Central. Three other players from K-Central in playing D-1 hoops. Right, he's not playing with the big boys.

Klein is not a PG, he's a combo guard. Spent his time in AAU learning to dish first and shoot second. Spent his time in HS carrying the load. Needed to be more selfish when he played with his big brother.

Quote:Of the in-state mid-majors, WMU was most stable outside of Oakland but Oakland is in a lower tiered conference. CMU had issues with winning and grades; EMU turns over coaches repeatedly and doesn't generate fan interest. If you want to remain in state, WMU was a great fit for all.
^Wow, thank you for stating the obvious so eloquently
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Quote:Dip: What do you use to determine if a program is 10 times better? RPI? SOS? NCAA tournament history? Players in the NBA? If you use any of those measurements, you are speaking ill of WMU as well compared to St. Louis. In the modern era, St. Louis has one more tourney appearance than CMU, 2 more than WMU, 1 more than EMU but EMU has a sweet 16 appearance. -- SLU has 3 NBA players; CMU has 6 ; WMU has 4; EMU has 10. I guess EMU is the best mid-major in the state of michigan based on tradition -- amazing they don't know how to leverage their history in recruiting.

St.Louis plays in a much tougher league. They've been to the NCAA on several occasions. If you deal in the here and now St. Louis is light years ahead of where CMU is in basketball.

Quote:I guess EMU is the best mid-major in the state of michigan based on tradition -- amazing they don't know how to leverage their history in recruiting.

Hard to leverage the past, when the present is an empty arena. That's what an EMU recruit sees when he visits the Convo. I'm amazed EMU can field a competitive team these days, but they've managed to do so with transfers and academic misfits.
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(12-19-2012 02:41 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  
Quote:I think he is a high major talent but because his high school is not playing with the "big boys" he doesn't get the recognition.

He plays in the SMACC................you know, Kalamazoo Central, two time state champs in the last 5 years, three times in the finals in the last 5 years. Yeah, not playing with the big boys.

Starting center from Utah from Battle Creek Central. Starting SF from Dayton, Kalamazoo Central. Redshirt freshmen center at Ohio State, from Battle Creek Central. Three other players from K-Central in playing D-1 hoops. Right, he's not playing with the big boys.

Klein is not a PG, he's a combo guard. Spent his time in AAU learning to dish first and shoot second. Spent his time in HS carrying the load. Needed to be more selfish when he played with his big brother.

Check, and mate.

.... in the meantime... waiting for Steve Bell to come on here and defend Highsmith...
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(12-19-2012 02:45 PM)BrianPersky Wrote:  
(12-19-2012 02:41 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  
Quote:I think he is a high major talent but because his high school is not playing with the "big boys" he doesn't get the recognition.

He plays in the SMACC................you know, Kalamazoo Central, two time state champs in the last 5 years, three times in the finals in the last 5 years. Yeah, not playing with the big boys.

Starting center from Utah from Battle Creek Central. Starting SF from Dayton, Kalamazoo Central. Redshirt freshmen center at Ohio State, from Battle Creek Central. Three other players from K-Central in playing D-1 hoops. Right, he's not playing with the big boys.

Klein is not a PG, he's a combo guard. Spent his time in AAU learning to dish first and shoot second. Spent his time in HS carrying the load. Needed to be more selfish when he played with his big brother.

Check, and mate.

.... in the meantime... waiting for Steve Bell to come on here and defend Highsmith...

And I'm waiting for you to provide one basketball insight beyond a second-grade level.
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I've got nothing against Highsmith personally. And truthfully, I've never even seen him play. He's probably going to be a good player at NIU. (there's my kindergarten analysis)

It just rubs me the wrong way when WMU gets accused of all these "conspiracy theory" type ideas about why they wouldn't recruit him. I'm not just talking about you. I'm talking about several people.

WMU offered him a scholarship... but for whatever reason, he denied it straight up when I asked him. I have no clue what was going on there but I wonder about the kind of advice the young kid was given along the way. It just strikes me as odd. Wish him the best of luck in Dekalb.
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Fact of the matter is that Highsmith doesn't want to be a Bronco. I don't think he ever wanted to be a Bronco.

His reasons are his own and I have no problem with that. It's much harder for me to deal with someone like Buchanan or Oliver ending up in the A10...or even someone like Bishop Robinson who would probably bleed Brown and Gold if we offered him a scholly. I lose zero sleep over Highsmith not accepting WMU's offer.
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He's a nice PG. I'd take him, but we really need a big worse than another PG.
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(12-19-2012 03:41 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  He's a nice PG. I'd take him, but we really need a big worse than another PG.

I'd take him IF he wanted to be a Bronco. No sense in begging for his services.
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(12-19-2012 02:45 PM)BrianPersky Wrote:  
(12-19-2012 02:41 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  
Quote:I think he is a high major talent but because his high school is not playing with the "big boys" he doesn't get the recognition.

He plays in the SMACC................you know, Kalamazoo Central, two time state champs in the last 5 years, three times in the finals in the last 5 years. Yeah, not playing with the big boys.

Starting center from Utah from Battle Creek Central. Starting SF from Dayton, Kalamazoo Central. Redshirt freshmen center at Ohio State, from Battle Creek Central. Three other players from K-Central in playing D-1 hoops. Right, he's not playing with the big boys.

Klein is not a PG, he's a combo guard. Spent his time in AAU learning to dish first and shoot second. Spent his time in HS carrying the load. Needed to be more selfish when he played with his big brother.

Check, and mate.

.... in the meantime... waiting for Steve Bell to come on here and defend Highsmith...

What is a traditional PG? A player that passes first and shoots second, correct? A PG will do what his team needs to win. Klein is not a combo, he is a PG. As YOU said, pass first, shoot second. With a more talented team, a PG doesn't have to score as much (ala AAU team) compared to a basic high school team where a D1 recruit has to do a lot more.

Chris Paul is a PG, but he CAN score when needed and he does. Keith Appling at MSU is a combo, he is a scorer that has to play PG because of his size. Combo guards is a recent facet of basketball, they are scorers that can suffer through bringing the ball up the court as a so-called PG if they have to; shoot first, pass second. Basically, they are SG's that aren't tall enough to be labeled as such at higher levels so this hybrid was created called "combo". It should just be about playing the game but it's not.

If your only reference for big boys is being in the same conference as a basketball power, this is a moot argument. Dowagiac may have Kazoo on their schedule 1 or 2 times a year but, that doesn't make it a game college recruiters will circle. If you only look at the past 5 years, you would believe Ann Arbor Huron was a basketball power and give credit to Dexter plays with the big boys because they play Huron and Huron played Saginaw. Detroit Kettering plays in the PSL but that doesn't get them recognition as playing the big boys such that college recruiters are going to circle that date to come see them play. Midland Dow plays in the SVL along with Saginaw high who is has most wins in MHSAA history so, does that give credence to Midland Dow as a team worth recruiting at? Playing with the big boys is playing against more than 1 or 2 top teams in your season and the game being one which will attract college coaches.

Actually, Highsmith deserves tons of credit for remaining at Dowagiac instead of transferring to a higher profile basketball school. Jackson Lamb did the same at Temperance Bedford. In this era where players jump from team to team or school to school that is stellar that those two young men did that. Kudos to those that still achieve their dream despite the way the system is set up.

You can't be angry with him for choosing a different school. It's part of the recruiting game. Colleges don't apologize when a recruit commits and they strip the offer they made to you or when they fire the coach that recruits you and the new coach pushes you out to get his own players in.
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(12-19-2012 03:42 PM)EA3 Wrote:  
(12-19-2012 03:41 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  He's a nice PG. I'd take him, but we really need a big worse than another PG.

I'd take him IF he wanted to be a Bronco. No sense in begging for his services.

Nor would we.
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Quote:You can't be angry with him for choosing a different school. It's part of the recruiting game. Colleges don't apologize when a recruit commits and they strip the offer they made to you or when they fire the coach that recruits you and the new coach pushes you out to get his own players in.

Who said that?
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Quote:Klein is not a combo, he is a PG

Really now. Cause Hawk told me he was a combo guard when he was recruiting him.

Please Trust, enlighten us more. Never have a seen someone state the obvious more eloquently than you.

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Quote:Detroit Kettering plays in the PSL but that doesn't get them recognition as playing the big boys such that college recruiters are going to circle that date to come see them play.

Hate to break the news to you pal, Kettering is closed. 03-idea
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