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RE: NIU's time of possession
(10-31-2012 07:55 AM)cawoo22 Wrote:  With the new generation of hurry-up offenses, time of possession is less meaningful than the number of plays run. I suspect that NIU has run an enormous amount of plays, particularly in their close wins.

In my first year coaching, I used to keep the chart for the defense, marking down our calls on each play to be used for film breakdown. Each sheet had 12 slots and I got five sheets. I remember asking the DC "What if I run out of sheets during the game?" He said, "If they run over 60 plays against us, just write "Asses Kicked" at the bottom of the 5th page and forget about it."

Every time you ask those D-linemen to put their hand on the ground, they get worn out. If they have to do it 12 times in a row about 30 seconds apart, they'll be exhausted.

(10-31-2012 08:14 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  We run a hurry up offense.. this is a ridiculous complaint.

If the Huskies really wanted to, they could chew up* more clock between plays instead of running hurry-up.

Also, when Jordon Lynch rips off another 60 yard run, or Martel Moore catches another 60 yard bomb, you will not hear me complain about how little time that took off the clock.

Possessing the ball is nice. Doing something with it is even better.




*How's that for a dog analogy?
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RE: NIU's time of possession
(10-31-2012 07:55 AM)cawoo22 Wrote:  With the new generation of hurry-up offenses, time of possession is less meaningful than the number of plays run. I suspect that NIU has run an enormous amount of plays, particularly in their close wins.

In my first year coaching, I used to keep the chart for the defense, marking down our calls on each play to be used for film breakdown. Each sheet had 12 slots and I got five sheets. I remember asking the DC "What if I run out of sheets during the game?" He said, "If they run over 60 plays against us, just write "Asses Kicked" at the bottom of the 5th page and forget about it."

Every time you ask those D-linemen to put their hand on the ground, they get worn out. If they have to do it 12 times in a row about 30 seconds apart, they'll be exhausted.
We've got to do something about that 03-nerner How 'bout we use a whole bunch of DL so they don't get too tired?
10-31-2012 09:04 AM
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RE: NIU's time of possession
Coach Doeren actually addressed this in his weekly press conference. If you don't want to read them all (some pretty interesting stuff), the speed of the offense is discussed about 3/4 of the way through his Q&A session.

http://www.niuhuskies.com/sports/m-footb...12aab.html
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RE: NIU's time of possession
(10-31-2012 08:48 AM)Field Turf Wrote:  Up to date MAC TOP stats below. One stat the MAC web site doesnt show is how many plays per game each team averages. It would then be interesting to see how quickly on average each team averages per play.

TIME OF POSSESSION G Poss. Time Avg/G
1. Kent State 8 260:11 32:31
2. Ball State 9 290:38 32:17
3. Toledo 9 283:07 31:27
4. Bowling Green 9 282:24 31:22
5. Ohio 8 245:16 30:39
6. Western Michigan 9 272:09 30:14
7. Central Michigan 8 235:37 29:27
8. Miami 8 234:48 29:21
9. Buffalo 8 228:25 28:33
10. UMass 8 224:49 28:06
11. Akron 9 246:44 27:24
12. Eastern Michigan 8 210:59 26:22
13. Northern Illinois 9 235:58 26:13



We are also the statistical leader in points per game in the league. We move the ball quickly and score points!

SCORING OFFSE G TD FG XPT 2XP DXP Saf Pts Avg/G
1. Northern Ill 9 45 10 43 0 0 0 343 38.1
2. Ohio 8 32 17 32 0 0 0 275 34.4
3. Toledo 9 37 18 33 0 0 0 309 34.3
4. Kent State 8 34 11 34 0 0 0 271 33.9
5. Ball State 9 35 20 33 0 0 0 303 33.7
6. Western Mi 9 35 6 31 1 0 1 263 29.2
7. Akron 9 33 7 31 1 0 0 252 28.0
8. Central Mic 8 27 9 25 0 0 0 214 26.8
9. Miami 8 22 11 13 3 0 0 184 23.0
Bowling Gr 9 28 5 24 0 0 0 207 23.0
11. Eastern Mi 8 23 6 19 0 0 0 175 21.9
12. Buffalo 8 21 6 19 0 0 0 163 20.4
13. UMass 8 11 5 9 0 0 0 90 11.2
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RE: NIU's time of possession
Curiousity was killing me. So, through 9 games, have run 641 plays (71/game) and have possessed the ball for 14,157 seconds. Therefore, we average a play every 22 seconds. Will be interesting now watching the play clock during games to see if our offense is running plays above, below or right at our average so far.
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RE: NIU's time of possession
(10-31-2012 10:28 AM)Ear of Corn Wrote:  
(10-31-2012 08:48 AM)Field Turf Wrote:  Up to date MAC TOP stats below. One stat the MAC web site doesnt show is how many plays per game each team averages. It would then be interesting to see how quickly on average each team averages per play.

TIME OF POSSESSION G Poss. Time Avg/G
1. Kent State 8 260:11 32:31
2. Ball State 9 290:38 32:17
3. Toledo 9 283:07 31:27
4. Bowling Green 9 282:24 31:22
5. Ohio 8 245:16 30:39
6. Western Michigan 9 272:09 30:14
7. Central Michigan 8 235:37 29:27
8. Miami 8 234:48 29:21
9. Buffalo 8 228:25 28:33
10. UMass 8 224:49 28:06
11. Akron 9 246:44 27:24
12. Eastern Michigan 8 210:59 26:22
13. Northern Illinois 9 235:58 26:13



We are also the statistical leader in points per game in the league. We move the ball quickly and score points!

SCORING OFFSE G TD FG XPT 2XP DXP Saf Pts Avg/G
1. Northern Ill 9 45 10 43 0 0 0 343 38.1
2. Ohio 8 32 17 32 0 0 0 275 34.4
3. Toledo 9 37 18 33 0 0 0 309 34.3
4. Kent State 8 34 11 34 0 0 0 271 33.9
5. Ball State 9 35 20 33 0 0 0 303 33.7
6. Western Mi 9 35 6 31 1 0 1 263 29.2
7. Akron 9 33 7 31 1 0 0 252 28.0
8. Central Mic 8 27 9 25 0 0 0 214 26.8
9. Miami 8 22 11 13 3 0 0 184 23.0
Bowling Gr 9 28 5 24 0 0 0 207 23.0
11. Eastern Mi 8 23 6 19 0 0 0 175 21.9
12. Buffalo 8 21 6 19 0 0 0 163 20.4
13. UMass 8 11 5 9 0 0 0 90 11.2

So amazing to me that over this 17-1 stretch, only in 3 of those 18 games did the Huskies not break the 30 point mark, and two of those three games were vs the MAC (EMU, Ohio, and Iowa). Now that is consistency
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RE: NIU's time of possession
My key to NIU's game this weekend is for them to at least tie the TOPB (Time of possession batter, for those that don't know)

It would be nice to see them up around the 30 minute mark so that the defense could get drinks of water or red or blue gatorade
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RE: NIU's time of possession
(10-31-2012 01:09 PM)1eyed_jack Wrote:  My key to NIU's game this weekend is for them to at least tie the TOPB (Time of possession batter, for those that don't know)

It would be nice to see them up around the 30 minute mark so that the defense could get drinks of water or red or blue gatorade

I know you only have 20 posts, and so you're classified as a "water engineer", but you care way too much about the hydration of our defense.
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RE: NIU's time of possession
(10-31-2012 01:23 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  
(10-31-2012 01:09 PM)1eyed_jack Wrote:  My key to NIU's game this weekend is for them to at least tie the TOPB (Time of possession batter, for those that don't know)

It would be nice to see them up around the 30 minute mark so that the defense could get drinks of water or red or blue gatorade

I know you only have 20 posts, and so you're classified as a "water engineer", but you care way too much about the hydration of our defense.

The thing about rest for the Defense is overblown. D-Linemen are the ones most likely to wear down and we rotate 8. Not a concern, IMO.
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RE: NIU's time of possession
(10-31-2012 01:32 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  
(10-31-2012 01:23 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  
(10-31-2012 01:09 PM)1eyed_jack Wrote:  My key to NIU's game this weekend is for them to at least tie the TOPB (Time of possession batter, for those that don't know)

It would be nice to see them up around the 30 minute mark so that the defense could get drinks of water or red or blue gatorade

I know you only have 20 posts, and so you're classified as a "water engineer", but you care way too much about the hydration of our defense.

The thing about rest for the Defense is overblown. D-Linemen are the ones most likely to wear down and we rotate 8. Not a concern, IMO.

If our defense didnt get tired in Muncie, they never will!
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RE: NIU's time of possession
NIU has domianted the fourth quarter all year. Why would anybody be worried about TOP?
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RE: NIU's time of possession
Time of possession is an irrelevant stat in today's fast-paced offenses. # of plays is a more important
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RE: NIU's time of possession
There seems to be a fairly strong overall trend with this team, not necessarily getting better as the game goes on, but getting better as each half goes on.

Our worst point differential quarters are 1st and 3rd and our best are 2nd and 4th
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(10-31-2012 01:53 PM)PeoriaHuskie11 Wrote:  Time of possession is an irrelevant stat in today's fast-paced offenses. # of plays is a more important

It is an irrlevant stat if you run a fast paced offense. The other extreme is a ball control offense that Army employs and TOP is critical to the success of that team. TOP is still a useful stat, and I would guess that the majority of teams in the top 25 still possess the ball longer than their opponents. (I'm curious to know if that is true, but I'm not going to look it up.)
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(10-31-2012 01:09 PM)1eyed_jack Wrote:  My key to NIU's game this weekend is for them to at least tie the TOPB (Time of possession batter, for those that don't know)

It would be nice to see them up around the 30 minute mark so that the defense could get drinks of water or red or blue gatorade

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(10-10-2011 09:11 PM)7 Wrote:  Score points.

This.

In case you guys forgot, we tried to control the T.O.P. early last year and all we did was stall out our offense and almost lose games. Lets not repeat the same mistakes.
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(10-31-2012 06:30 PM)niuguy Wrote:  
(10-10-2011 09:11 PM)7 Wrote:  Score points.

This.

In case you guys forgot, we tried to control the T.O.P. early last year and all we did was stall out our offense and almost lose games. Lets not repeat the same mistakes.

In this week's Tues press conference Dave Doeren said that TOP came up as a discussion amongst the coaching staff. The defensive coaches told the offensive coaches not to worry about it, they would prefer to see them score as many points as possible. The NIU offense executes the "fast pace" better than any other team that I have seen and it is a huge reason why they score so many points.
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(10-31-2012 01:53 PM)PeoriaHuskie11 Wrote:  Time of possession is an irrelevant stat in today's fast-paced offenses. # of plays is a more important

have to agree here.......we're NOT a grind it out offense, we don't run the triple option.....what are we? a big play offense that gets stronger as the game moves along, we have some stud WR's and you play to your strong points.......ENJOY THE RIDE!!
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I suppose it would hurt us more if we weren't deep at D-line.
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Love the way my Huskies are playing today!!!!!!

Only problem is that our defense is looking tired. The offense can't let them be on the field this long.

EMU is killing us in TOP right now 21 minutes to 15.

If this trend continues NIU may be in trouble heading into the 4th quarter. Look for EMU to make a big push soon
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