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(03-03-2011 03:23 PM)Tommyboy Wrote:  thom it's not about strength in a take down like that it's weight, momentum and leverage, Whitfield is not strong enough to hold both up. That is a great shot but not a strangle hold, watch the video and tell me where Flen's right hand is. Answer: on the ground, don't know about you but if I'm strangling someone in that position both of my hands are on their throat supporting my full body weight against it, and as Ketlaw said it's debatable that Flen's left hand is on the guys throat to begin with. Also what did Douglas see when he looked back? Three BSU players surrounding Flen on the ground, he's coming in to clear a pile off his teammate. Davis and Berry should have stayed out of it, the ref was right there to sort it out already there was no need for them to get involved. Over all there is enough there that ejecting Flen would not have been uncalled for, but nothing else over and above what was done. I don't think the refs had access to these views as normally all we have is the one camera up against the back wall, it hasn't been an issue until now but the officials need access to other views when available. Our poor camera angles have both helped and hurt in Waldo and helped us here, but I don't think it would have changed the outcome.

Guys, Flen has a history of getting into a tit for tat, remember at CMU last year? I think that is what happened here, he got tangled with Kaminieki and took it personally.

Also I don't think there is enough there to suspend Douglas from the CMU game, Flen maybe but not Mikey.

good post. Only thing I disagree with is the reason that Berry and Davis were around Kamieniecki is because Whitfield punched him in the back.

I have no problem with Douglas running in, but there's no need to shove Davis to the ground.

And while it may be true that Whitfield doesn't have Davis in a true stranglehold, he's 6'6 230 and his his left hand around Davis' neck pushing Davis. That should be plenty.

It also is true that WMU did not let the officials see the BSU replays, just the WMU one camera replay. That in itself is a problem.
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(03-03-2011 03:34 PM)thomrandal Wrote:  It also is true that WMU did not let the officials see the BSU replays, just the WMU one camera replay. That in itself is a problem.

Did WMU have access to BSU's video feeds?
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I understand the sour grapes...had WMU lost last night I may be singing the same tune regarding ejecting the players. But a suspension? I am not sure that you want to start that precedent. Further, wouldn't Davis and Kamieniecki need to be suspended as well? Often times in these situations leagues throw up their hands and either do nothing or they over react.
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Quote:Whitfield and Douglass= Thugs

First off Chimpy, you have no dog in this fight, other than including yourself may somehow make you feel like you're a part of something other than being a bottom feeder along NIU, UT, and EMU.

But for the most part you're just spewing what I expect from whitebread hayseeds. All black guys are thugs, unless of course they're a Brazilian black guy with a 12 inch fro who breaks Miami's best players hand attempting to block a shot after a game was out of reach.

Shut up, go away, worry about how you're going to get rid of Ernie, and how your dumb azz AD signed this boob to a 4 year extension.
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It's interesting................Kamainici, Pokley's teammate at Clarkston, was all set to come to WMU. Then he started showing up at informal workouts. Guess who threw him around like a rag doll???????

Whitfield...........ding ding ding ding

And when Whit wasn't owning him, Hutch was. Pretty soon the son of a Major Leaguer decided he might better find early PT, than wait forever behind, seasoned and better players.

Well, Kammy and Davies were getting their clock cleaned last night, and I think he'd had enough of beatdowns from Whitfield, lost his cool.

The result however didn't change.
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since I have received a negative user rating (thanks chip90) for comparing "thugs" to the "N" word, I thought we should have a discussion. Please define "thug". Please be honest...anyone can lie and sugarcoat their message to try to bolster their agenda. Be honest.

Then again...what they heck am I doing...

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(03-03-2011 04:10 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  It's interesting................Kamainici, Pokley's teammate at Clarkston, was all set to come to WMU. Then he started showing up at informal workouts. Guess who threw him around like a rag doll???????

Whitfield...........ding ding ding ding

And when Whit wasn't owning him, Hutch was. Pretty soon the son of a Major Leaguer decided he might better find early PT, than wait forever behind, seasoned and better players.

Well, Kammy and Davies were getting their clock cleaned last night, and I think he'd had enough of beatdowns from Whitfield, lost his cool.

The result however didn't change.

I don't believe this for a second... you act like BSU is some 2nd - rate team. BSU has led the West division all season, and is equally competitive as WMU is. Beat WMU by double digits at Worthen earlier, and we were in the middle of a close game until the skirmish.

And it's not like BSU is any older than WMU. Both teams graduate one senior on senior day.
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In a big game like that in any sport, nerves are on edge. We were getting the best of Ball State. I do think that Kamanieke and Davis had chips on their shoulders and were not good sports about getting their lunches handed to them. But that happens to many athletes in the heat of battle.

That being said, Kamanieke got out of line tangling up with big Flen and they both went down. I didn't see it happen, it occurred after a made basket and I was looking downcourt. I looked back and there was a big scrum.

From the video after the 2 bigs went down, the ref was right on top of them trying to pry them apart. At that point it may have been no harm no foul, maybe double technicals. But Davis got right in there also. That was a mistake. Then MD got in, that was a mistake.

First, we are lucky no one got hurt. Second, I hope the kids on the team learn that it takes as much of a man to not retaliate, as it does initiate or retaliate. And champions have to be tough. The eye has to be on the prize at all times.

Had any one of our starters been suspended, our hard fought, wonderful season may be over. And then what would the thinkiing be?

Keeping cool under pressure is a strong measure of a man, and if this team keeps it's cool it can go a long way. What if the chimps start to taunt us or get overly physical? Well, I for one hope we keep our heads and get our revenge by being champions of the MAC in Cleveland. These Broncos have worked too hard to blow it now.

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(03-03-2011 04:30 PM)Broncoboogie Wrote:  In a big game like that in any sport, nerves are on edge. We were getting the best of Ball State. I do think that Kamanieke and Davis had chips on their shoulders and were not good sports about getting their lunches handed to them. But that happens to many athletes in the heat of battle.

That being said, Kamanieke got out of line tangling up with big Flen and they both went down. I didn't see it happen, it occurred after a made basket and I was looking downcourt. I looked back and there was a big scrum.

From the video after the 2 bigs went down, the ref was right on top of them trying to pry them apart. At that point it may have been no harm no foul, maybe double technicals. But Davis got right in there also. That was a mistake. Then MD got in, that was a mistake.

First, we are lucky no one got hurt. Second, I hope the kids on the team learn that it takes as much of a man to not retaliate, as it does initiate or retaliate. And champions have to be tough. The eye has to be on the prize at all times.

Had any one of our starters been suspended, our hard fought, wonderful season may be over. And then what would the thinkiing be?

Keeping cool under pressure is a strong measure of a man, and if this team keeps it's cool it can go a long way. What if the chimps start to taunt us or get overly physical? Well, I for one hope we keep our heads and get our revenge by being champions of the MAC in Cleveland. These Broncos have worked too hard to blow it now.

just my opinion

great post. I totally agree about the Davis/Douglas involvement.
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(03-03-2011 04:25 PM)thomrandal Wrote:  
(03-03-2011 04:10 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  It's interesting................Kamainici, Pokley's teammate at Clarkston, was all set to come to WMU. Then he started showing up at informal workouts. Guess who threw him around like a rag doll???????

Whitfield...........ding ding ding ding

And when Whit wasn't owning him, Hutch was. Pretty soon the son of a Major Leaguer decided he might better find early PT, than wait forever behind, seasoned and better players.

Well, Kammy and Davies were getting their clock cleaned last night, and I think he'd had enough of beatdowns from Whitfield, lost his cool.

The result however didn't change.

I don't believe this for a second... you act like BSU is some 2nd - rate team. BSU has led the West division all season, and is equally competitive as WMU is. Beat WMU by double digits at Worthen earlier, and we were in the middle of a close game until the skirmish.

And it's not like BSU is any older than WMU. Both teams graduate one senior on senior day.

thom; Dip's point isn't about teams, it's about players at the position, be honest who would you rather have on your team Whitfield or Kam?
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(03-03-2011 04:25 PM)thomrandal Wrote:  Beat WMU by double digits at Worthen earlier

Check your facts there bud. WMU lossed to BSU by 9.
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(03-03-2011 04:04 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  Chimp 90
Quote:Whitfield and Douglass= Thugs

First off Chimpy, you have no dog in this fight, other than including yourself may somehow make you feel like you're a part of something other than being a bottom feeder along NIU, UT, and EMU.

But for the most part you're just spewing what I expect from whitebread hayseeds. All black guys are thugs, unless of course they're a Brazilian black guy with a 12 inch fro who breaks Miami's best players hand attempting to block a shot after a game was out of reach.

Shut up, go away, worry about how you're going to get rid of Ernie, and how your dumb azz AD signed this boob to a 4 year extension.

I think you're injecting your own racism into this dip. Never made the connection that all black guys are thugs when I posted. Bill Laimbeer was considered a thug during his career, I believe he's white. In addition to being a racist, Your also a hypocrite. It's OK for Whitfield to to "clean their clock" as long as WESTERN is on their chest.
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(03-03-2011 05:18 PM)chip90 Wrote:  
(03-03-2011 04:04 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  Chimp 90
Quote:Whitfield and Douglass= Thugs

First off Chimpy, you have no dog in this fight, other than including yourself may somehow make you feel like you're a part of something other than being a bottom feeder along NIU, UT, and EMU.

But for the most part you're just spewing what I expect from whitebread hayseeds. All black guys are thugs, unless of course they're a Brazilian black guy with a 12 inch fro who breaks Miami's best players hand attempting to block a shot after a game was out of reach.

Shut up, go away, worry about how you're going to get rid of Ernie, and how your dumb azz AD signed this boob to a 4 year extension.

I think you're injecting your own racism into this dip. Never made the connection that all black guys are thugs when I posted. Bill Laimbeer was considered a thug during his career, I believe he's white. In addition to being a racist, Your also a hypocrite. It's OK for Whitfield to to "clean their clock" as long as WESTERN is on their chest.

ENOUGH!
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Jeeze, here we go down that rat hole again.....
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(03-03-2011 05:24 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Jeeze, here we go down that rat hole again.....

totally agree...it was a great game, granted tarnished by the incident. However, if you would not have known the score and watched the game without keeping close track of the score, it would have seemed a lot closer than a 17 point win. Both teams competed hard...and I for one would rather not play BSU again...but, I also think a lot of teams in the MAC are playing tough right now...Us, Kent, Akron, Ohio, Buffalo, Miami, etc...I am not sure who I would "want" to play. Just watch...WMU lays an egg on Saturday...and the Chips use that momentum to become the hottest team in the land...anythings possible.
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FWIW.

Thugs instigate, not retaliate.

Ben Reed liked to instigate. Anthony Kann liked to instigate. Whether they crossed that line into thuggeryville probably depends on where you're from.

Both Flen and Mikey probably went over the line last night, but neither started anything.

Both are finishing their 3rd year in the programm and I've NEVER seen either of them involved with this type of thing before.
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ok I examined it more...
when you guy full screen and look very closely Flenard's left hand IS NOT on davis' neck...and his right hand is on the floor. like a previous poster stated. if Flenard really wanted to pummel one of Ball St.'s players he would have done so. Douglas did push davis and flen did hit kamienecki...but in no way was Flenard choking Justin Bieber I mean Davis.
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Chips fans calling our players thugs? Remember when Eddie Spencer got tasered for resisting arrest outside of a gas station?... ahh good times good times.
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(03-03-2011 04:46 PM)Tommyboy Wrote:  
(03-03-2011 04:25 PM)thomrandal Wrote:  
(03-03-2011 04:10 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  It's interesting................Kamainici, Pokley's teammate at Clarkston, was all set to come to WMU. Then he started showing up at informal workouts. Guess who threw him around like a rag doll???????

Whitfield...........ding ding ding ding

And when Whit wasn't owning him, Hutch was. Pretty soon the son of a Major Leaguer decided he might better find early PT, than wait forever behind, seasoned and better players.

Well, Kammy and Davies were getting their clock cleaned last night, and I think he'd had enough of beatdowns from Whitfield, lost his cool.

The result however didn't change.

I don't believe this for a second... you act like BSU is some 2nd - rate team. BSU has led the West division all season, and is equally competitive as WMU is. Beat WMU by double digits at Worthen earlier, and we were in the middle of a close game until the skirmish.

And it's not like BSU is any older than WMU. Both teams graduate one senior on senior day.

thom; Dip's point isn't about teams, it's about players at the position, be honest who would you rather have on your team Whitfield or Kam?

Whitfield of course... not the punching half/strangling whitfield though.
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By the way, the girl in the white shirt with Ball State was pretty stacked.
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