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RE: HuronDave - "the MAC will drop to FCS within five years"
(06-17-2009 09:45 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  The BCS bowl featuring Utah last season drew 40% more viewership than the BCS bowl featuring the ACC and BE champs.

I'm not seeing the demand for the ACC.

That's quite the sample size there: one game. The Sugar Bowl the year before between Georgia and Hawaii was the lowest-rated BCS game that year. Does that prove anything, either? No, of course not. You can find a single game anywhere that will fit just about anything you want it to.

I'd say the ACC's television deals, attendance, and revenue, which are all significant, prove there is demand for the conference.

Anyway, we can go around and around on this; I respect your opinion, and I'll just agree to disagree.
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RE: HuronDave - "the MAC will drop to FCS within five years"
(06-17-2009 10:43 PM)UIHuskie Wrote:  
(06-17-2009 09:45 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  The BCS bowl featuring Utah last season drew 40% more viewership than the BCS bowl featuring the ACC and BE champs.

I'm not seeing the demand for the ACC.

That's quite the sample size there: one game. The Sugar Bowl the year before between Georgia and Hawaii was the lowest-rated BCS game that year. Does that prove anything, either? No, of course not. You can find a single game anywhere that will fit just about anything you want it to.

I'd say the ACC's television deals, attendance, and revenue, which are all significant, prove there is demand for the conference.

Anyway, we can go around and around on this; I respect your opinion, and I'll just agree to disagree.
Oh come on, just say how you really feel.
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RE: HuronDave - "the MAC will drop to FCS within five years"
(06-17-2009 07:29 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  What annoys me with the MWC is that they're demanding inclusion for themselves rather than trying to break up the BCS monopoly on all the money. If anything, the MWC and other non-AQ conferences should be asking for more of the BCS revenue. That's where the biggest stake is at. BCS schools only make up 56% of the 1-A schools yet they receive 86% of the BCS revenue. Either the NCAA or the government needs to step in and distribute that money equally. The total BCS revenue last year was $148,164,228. If non-AQ schools received our equal share of the money (44%) then we'd be looking at $65,192,260. Split among the 53 non-AQ schools and that would give us each $1,230,042 in BCS revenue. Instead, the MAC received $1,529,600 total from BCS revenue last season which only equates to $117,661 per MAC school. The MAC, CUSA, WAC, MWC, and SBC only received $19,296,000 (13%) of the total $148,164,228 in BCS revenue.

This is the first government intervention that I am for. Socialist College Football!!!!!
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RE: HuronDave - "the MAC will drop to FCS within five years"
(06-18-2009 06:02 AM)klake87 Wrote:  
(06-17-2009 07:29 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  What annoys me with the MWC is that they're demanding inclusion for themselves rather than trying to break up the BCS monopoly on all the money. If anything, the MWC and other non-AQ conferences should be asking for more of the BCS revenue. That's where the biggest stake is at. BCS schools only make up 56% of the 1-A schools yet they receive 86% of the BCS revenue. Either the NCAA or the government needs to step in and distribute that money equally. The total BCS revenue last year was $148,164,228. If non-AQ schools received our equal share of the money (44%) then we'd be looking at $65,192,260. Split among the 53 non-AQ schools and that would give us each $1,230,042 in BCS revenue. Instead, the MAC received $1,529,600 total from BCS revenue last season which only equates to $117,661 per MAC school. The MAC, CUSA, WAC, MWC, and SBC only received $19,296,000 (13%) of the total $148,164,228 in BCS revenue.

This is the first government intervention that I am for. Socialist College Football!!!!!

Not socialist at all, its getting what we are due. The BCS system claims the non-AQ conferences are part of the BCS. If this is true then we should receive 44% of the revenue considering we comprise 44% of the BCS teams.
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RE: HuronDave - "the MAC will drop to FCS within five years"
(06-18-2009 02:16 AM)7 Wrote:  
(06-17-2009 10:43 PM)UIHuskie Wrote:  
(06-17-2009 09:45 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  The BCS bowl featuring Utah last season drew 40% more viewership than the BCS bowl featuring the ACC and BE champs.

I'm not seeing the demand for the ACC.

That's quite the sample size there: one game. The Sugar Bowl the year before between Georgia and Hawaii was the lowest-rated BCS game that year. Does that prove anything, either? No, of course not. You can find a single game anywhere that will fit just about anything you want it to.

I'd say the ACC's television deals, attendance, and revenue, which are all significant, prove there is demand for the conference.

Anyway, we can go around and around on this; I respect your opinion, and I'll just agree to disagree.
Oh come on, just say how you really feel.

He's not as immature as you. We can both go back and forth without name-calling.
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RE: HuronDave - "the MAC will drop to FCS within five years"
(06-17-2009 10:43 PM)UIHuskie Wrote:  
(06-17-2009 09:45 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  The BCS bowl featuring Utah last season drew 40% more viewership than the BCS bowl featuring the ACC and BE champs.

I'm not seeing the demand for the ACC.

That's quite the sample size there: one game. The Sugar Bowl the year before between Georgia and Hawaii was the lowest-rated BCS game that year. Does that prove anything, either? No, of course not. You can find a single game anywhere that will fit just about anything you want it to.

I'd say the ACC's television deals, attendance, and revenue, which are all significant, prove there is demand for the conference.

Anyway, we can go around and around on this; I respect your opinion, and I'll just agree to disagree.

You are right, the BCS bowl featuring Hawaii was the lowest-rated BCS bowl that year but the Orange Bowl featuring the ACC team wasn't much better than the Sugar Bowl. However, that Sugar Bowl still outdrew last season's BCS bowl featuring the ACC by a lot.
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RE: HuronDave - "the MAC will drop to FCS within five years"
Whether we move to FCS or stay in FBS, no doubt the MAC will not remain the same for long. There will definitely be some MAC teams that say sayonara. Whether that equates to a realignment of remaining members, additional members, or total breakup of the MAC, time will tell. It will come soon, IMO.
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RE: HuronDave - "the MAC will drop to FCS within five years"
(06-18-2009 07:16 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(06-18-2009 06:02 AM)klake87 Wrote:  
(06-17-2009 07:29 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  What annoys me with the MWC is that they're demanding inclusion for themselves rather than trying to break up the BCS monopoly on all the money. If anything, the MWC and other non-AQ conferences should be asking for more of the BCS revenue. That's where the biggest stake is at. BCS schools only make up 56% of the 1-A schools yet they receive 86% of the BCS revenue. Either the NCAA or the government needs to step in and distribute that money equally. The total BCS revenue last year was $148,164,228. If non-AQ schools received our equal share of the money (44%) then we'd be looking at $65,192,260. Split among the 53 non-AQ schools and that would give us each $1,230,042 in BCS revenue. Instead, the MAC received $1,529,600 total from BCS revenue last season which only equates to $117,661 per MAC school. The MAC, CUSA, WAC, MWC, and SBC only received $19,296,000 (13%) of the total $148,164,228 in BCS revenue.

This is the first government intervention that I am for. Socialist College Football!!!!!

Not socialist at all, its getting what we are due. The BCS system claims the non-AQ conferences are part of the BCS. If this is true then we should receive 44% of the revenue considering we comprise 44% of the BCS teams.

Being part of the FBS and BCS is not a right. We can leave anytime. Why do you think the big money is going to this organization? Because of NIU or USC, OSU, Michigan, Texas, Florida and the rest of the big boys. We should be happy with any money we get. If not, we should quit the FBS alignment. Bet there is HUGE money in D1-AA!!!02-13-banana05-stirthepot
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RE: HuronDave - "the MAC will drop to FCS within five years"
All I have to say is that people have talked about money programs pressing mid-majors out of the top level of college football for as long as I've bothered to pay attention- so a good 15 years at least. Probably longer than that. The theme is always the same. That it's a matter of time and bound to happen in "the next few years"

Hasn't happened yet. Hell, teams are moving up, not down. Some programs out west dropped football 15-20 years ago (Pacific, Long Beach St. come to mind). It wouldn't be shocking if a couple midwestern programs dropped football. But this is something where- until something actually happens- it's like the mythical realignment of major conferences that is supposed to be inevitable. I just don't buy it.

Repetition won't make it so. Being right about these scenarios is like the proverbial stopped clock.
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RE: HuronDave - "the MAC will drop to FCS within five years"
(06-18-2009 07:16 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(06-18-2009 06:02 AM)klake87 Wrote:  
(06-17-2009 07:29 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  What annoys me with the MWC is that they're demanding inclusion for themselves rather than trying to break up the BCS monopoly on all the money. If anything, the MWC and other non-AQ conferences should be asking for more of the BCS revenue. That's where the biggest stake is at. BCS schools only make up 56% of the 1-A schools yet they receive 86% of the BCS revenue. Either the NCAA or the government needs to step in and distribute that money equally. The total BCS revenue last year was $148,164,228. If non-AQ schools received our equal share of the money (44%) then we'd be looking at $65,192,260. Split among the 53 non-AQ schools and that would give us each $1,230,042 in BCS revenue. Instead, the MAC received $1,529,600 total from BCS revenue last season which only equates to $117,661 per MAC school. The MAC, CUSA, WAC, MWC, and SBC only received $19,296,000 (13%) of the total $148,164,228 in BCS revenue.

This is the first government intervention that I am for. Socialist College Football!!!!!

Not socialist at all, its getting what we are due. The BCS system claims the non-AQ conferences are part of the BCS. If this is true then we should receive 44% of the revenue considering we comprise 44% of the BCS teams.



This is the most assinine thing I have ever read on this board. College football is NOTHING without the big conferences like the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, PAC 10. The BCS conferences and their schools generate hundreds of millions of dollars a year and have HUGE fan bases. And yet you endorse REVENUE SHARING ?!?!? WTF kind of socialistic planet do you live on ?!?! What you propose is assinine and has a snowball's chance in hell of EVER happening. Criminy.

Congratulations !!! You have hereby earned the nickname mini-Maddawg.
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RE: HuronDave - "the MAC will drop to FCS within five years"
(06-16-2009 05:28 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=373975

(06-16-2009 09:00 AM)HuronDave Wrote:  With the new commish in place, the current attitude of the presidents and the changes being put in place in the MAC offices, the MAC will drop to FCS within five years. Very bleak outlook from my perspective of what is happening. There is currently no desire for the MAC to continue to move upward and in fact it appears that the decision makers are intent on stepping back and going backward.

My days of covering the MAC are drawing to a close.

Joining this conversation late and dont mean to go off topic on where this thread has led to, although now that I see NIJ has been the main contributor as of late, derailing the current course of this thread can only be considered progress.

I too found the comments by HuronDave to be very sobering and depressing. To hear someone like HuronDave say that is definitely a wake up call. I also agree there was nothing in the commish's interview that would have led to me to make the conclusion HuronDave did so he must have extra information we do not know about. If there is a silver lining in this all, a move out of the MAC will be a major blessing for NIU basketball. NIU basketball just is not a good fit in the conference. I would love to see NIU get back into the Horizon league.
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RE: HuronDave - "the MAC will drop to FCS within five years"
I saw absolutely nothing in the interview that would lead one to believe our football status was at risk.

NIU needs to be in a true D1 conference (D1 football, basketball etc.) Anything less is a huge downgrade.
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(06-17-2009 10:01 AM)klake87 Wrote:  I wish someone would start a sports station to compete with ESPN. The second tier could get them started with football and basketball programing. ESPN started off small and has grown into a power.

Then schools like NIU would not need to wait for the scraps from the Big Boys.

I believe that's the whole point of Versus.
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RE: HuronDave - "the MAC will drop to FCS within five years"
I would rather have them just cut football entirely than go FCS. Going FCS is like Favre on the Jets - a shell of a former player pretending to still be a factor. Part of what got me excited about NIU was that we played some big schools, ones that people have heard of, on a regular basis. I wouldn't bother watching if we went FCS, and I'd save a bunch of money and donations. I mean, I can watch high school football any time I want, if I don't care about who we play.
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(06-19-2009 05:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I would rather have them just cut football entirely than go FCS. Going FCS is like Favre on the Jets - a shell of a former player pretending to still be a factor. Part of what got me excited about NIU was that we played some big schools, ones that people have heard of, on a regular basis. I wouldn't bother watching if we went FCS, and I'd save a bunch of money and donations. I mean, I can watch high school football any time I want, if I don't care about who we play.

+1 I think the majority of donors feel like you and I. That being said ... I think this whole thread is based on fear and insecurity.
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RE: HuronDave - "the MAC will drop to FCS within five years"
How did this whole thread get started? This is like Jonestown or something. Some of the weak-sisters may drop down due to financial issues, but most of the 120 D-1 are doing fine, and there is and will be a public demand for upper tier college football. NIU can compete, as shown by our perofrmance at Minn and Tenn. last year. Granted, we lost both, but we didn't embarrass ourselves. We'll be closer to the 2003 team than the 2007 team very soon.
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