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Vote: Which bubble player belongs in?

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We know Pete Rose had Hall of Fame numbers.


But what about some of today's current major leaguers? ESPN's Tim Kurkjian selected 10 active players who are on the "Hall of Fame bubble."


Take a look at the credentials for each player and then vote for the one you think is most worthy of Hall of Fame status.


10. Juan Gonzalez
Hall of Fame case: 429 home runs, 1,387 RBI, .296 career average, two MVP Awards, 34 years old.


9. Edgar Martinez
Hall of Fame case: career .315 average is awfully high for someone with 297 home runs. Two batting titles. Being a DH won't help his case, another 200 RBI (1,198 career) would help.


8. Manny Ramirez
Hall of Fame case: .317 career average, 347 home runs, 1,140 RBI. Still just 31.


7. Mariano Rivera
Hall of Fame case: Cooperstown hasn't been kind to electing relievers, but Rivera has been the best reliever in postseason history (7-1, 30 saves, 0.75 ERA). No closer has delivered in as many big games as him. He's has 283 career saves; 350 seems achievable.


6. Fred McGriff
Hall of Fame case: Needs nine home runs for 500, which, for him, is a must for the Hall. He is hurt by his lack of identity with one team, but his career numbers are very similar to those of Willie Stargell.


5. Tom Glavine
Hall of Fame case: 49 victories short of 300, which is attainable at age 37. Add two Cy Young Awards, 32 postseason starts and no trips to the disabled list, and he's on the doorstep.


4. Frank Thomas
Hall of Fame case: It's impossible to look past his first eight seasons, which were Jimmy Foxx-esque. Even with a few down years, he has 418 home runs, he's a lifetime .310 hitter and he's 205 RBIs away from Mike Schmidt and George Brett. And he won two MVP Awards.


3. Barry Larkin
Hall of Fame case: His defense, durability as a young player, 377 steals, .295 career average and nine .300 seasons, 2,240 hits and he's done more than most Hall of Fame shortstops. Also won an MVP Award.


2. Jeff Bagwell
Hall of Fame case: 419 home runs, 1,421 RBI (170 RBIs from the top 25 all time). He's four stolen bases away from joining Hank Aaron and Willie Mays as the only players with a .300 career average, 400 homers and 200 steals. One MVP Award.


1. Craig Biggio
Hall of Fame case: 210 home runs, 2,461 hits, 1,503 runs, 389 stolen bases, 517 doubles and four Gold Gloves at second base might have him in the Hall already.
01-12-2004 09:21 PM
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any comments, or people who were left off? IMO biggio, edgar and mcGriff don't deserve it. Juan Gone needs one more bery good year to get it. One guy who probably deserves it, who was left off, is Griffey. The fast dropoff hurt him, bur he was neck and neck with Bonds for the best player of the 90's.
01-12-2004 09:24 PM
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Jeff, Mariano, Juan Gone, Big Hurt, Glavine already in easily.

Manny will be in two years if continues numbers.

Biggio in by a hair.

McGriff will get in if he gets to 500, unfortunately because he doesnt deserve it.

Edgar-no. Larkin-no.

Is Palmeiro considered a lock?
01-12-2004 09:32 PM
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cbfranchise3 Wrote:Jeff, Mariano, Juan Gone, Big Hurt, Glavine already in easily.

Manny will be in two years if continues numbers.

Biggio in by a hair.

McGriff will get in if he gets to 500, unfortunately because he doesnt deserve it.

Edgar-no.  Larkin-no.

Is Palmeiro considered a lock?
you just told me in school today that you didn't think biggio deserved it. And don't say you were being sarcastic, because you weren't.

Larkin was a great hitting SS, before all of these great hitting SS. Also, he had over 12 great years, hitting and fielding. Over ten great years, means you are a lock.

To me, Palmeiro is a lock.

McGriff is a weird case. He was a very good 1B (i think) and he had more than ten great years. But to me, he was never hall of fame caliber. I just don't think he was the player those other guys were.
01-12-2004 09:54 PM
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i'll tell you another thing. If jeff kent has 50 more HR and 250 more RBI he should get in.
01-12-2004 10:01 PM
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flyingswoosh Wrote:you just told me in school today that you didn't think biggio deserved it. And don't say you were being sarcastic, because you weren't.
I meant based on stats. I knew Craig Biggio for six years, and he was one of the classiest, hardest working, and fun guys to be around. So I hope he gets in. I don't think he will get in, and may not deserve it, but I couldnt bring myself to post that he would not make it. I have a heart of gold. 03-wink
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Of those 10, I'd say Greedy Glav is the most deserving.
01-13-2004 08:26 AM
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GDawgs88 Wrote:Of those 10, I'd say Greedy Glav is the most deserving.
i think Glavine is second to the big hurt.

Why is he greedy?
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flyingswoosh Wrote:Why is he greedy?
He's not really. I just like to call him that after he sold out the Braves and went to New York.
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GDawgs88 Wrote:
flyingswoosh Wrote:Why is he greedy?
He's not really. I just like to call him that after he sold out the Braves and went to New York.
Sold out? He just wanted to get paid, or get more money.
01-13-2004 07:07 PM
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Exactly. Money meant more to him than loyalty.
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GDawgs88 Wrote:Exactly. Money meant more to him than loyalty.
loyalty? i can look at it the other way. Glavine worked his ****** off all those years and won all those games, and the Braves got cheap on him.
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We offered him a more than fair deal considering he was 37 and coming off a bad second half in 2002. But he showed that it was all about who offered him the most money. Playing on a last place team didn't seem to matter.

But with that being said, I still have a lot of respect for Tommy. I have a lot of great memories of him in an Atlanta uniform. But the guy's a traitor.
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