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I have no problem with Louisville except the fact that Kentucky is not on the Atlantic Coast. I guess we could change our name to the AAACC. The Almost All Alantic Coast Conference. <img border="0" alt="[NoNo]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" />
06-11-2002 02:55 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ClemTiger:
I did just skim over the rankings part and saw where Louisville was #3 but failed to realize that was just in the ACC, with Louisville being #25 overall. I'm still confused as to what ranking system you're using though. The BCS rankings only rank the top 15 teams. Teams after that are not included in the BCS rankings, so your rankings can't be from the BCS. Please tell me which rankings you are using and post a link if possible.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sure, here you go...

The site is called <a href="http://www.collegebcs.com." target="_blank">www.collegebcs.com.</a> He has quite a bit of documentation showing that he uses the exact formula used with the BCS and that his stats come out dead on target with the BCS stats.

<a href="http://www.collegebcs.com/" target="_blank">http://www.collegebcs.com/</a>

The main reason I used this ranking is because it is widely recognized, used for creating the national championship, and also gives you guys the benefit of the doubt because it uses SOS heavily.

Check that site out, it is one of my favorites. This is also the same guy who produces the exact replicas of the rpi in basketball at <a href="http://www.collegerpi.com" target="_blank">http://www.collegerpi.com</a>

His rankings and stats on that site were 34 for 34 in picking at large teams in the Field of 64 this past spring.
06-11-2002 03:16 PM
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Impressive site. All i have to say is that now, i'm going to wait until after this upcoming season to make any judgement calls about Louisville. You've made enough good points that i'll start keeping up with how Louisville is doing. I do have to say one thing though, with your upcoming schedule Louisville should win at least 10 games during the regular season. A loss to FSU and one upset. Even that won't really impress me that much because i would say the same thing about every team in the ACC except Duke. You should be HEAVILY favored to win every game except FSU. Going by last years BCS rankings you play #22, #50 and the rest are somewhere in the 60's and beyond, well beyond. Good luck for this upcoming season but with your schedule you really shouldn't need it.
06-11-2002 03:49 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ClemTiger:
Impressive site. All i have to say is that now, i'm going to wait until after this upcoming season to make any judgement calls about Louisville. You've made enough good points that i'll start keeping up with how Louisville is doing. I do have to say one thing though, with your upcoming schedule Louisville should win at least 10 games during the regular season. A loss to FSU and one upset. Even that won't really impress me that much because i would say the same thing about every team in the ACC except Duke. You should be HEAVILY favored to win every game except FSU. Going by last years BCS rankings you play #22, #50 and the rest are somewhere in the 60's and beyond, well beyond. Good luck for this upcoming season but with your schedule you really shouldn't need it.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree, most Louisville fans expect a 10-win season at least this year.

I'd be happy with 10, better with 11, and heart-failure if we knock off FSU and hang-on all season.

Louisville football will be on ESPN 6 times this year. Check us out.

We've got 5 or 6 future pros on the team:

QB Dave Ragone
DE DeWayne White
S Anthony Floyd
S Curry Burns
DB Laroni Gallishaw
DT Bobby Leffew
06-11-2002 03:57 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Howard's Rock:
I have no problem with Louisville except the fact that Kentucky is not on the Atlantic Coast. I guess we could change our name to the AAACC. The Almost All Alantic Coast Conference. <img border="0" alt="[NoNo]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I sincerely doubt that a decision as big and important financially and competitively as conference expansion would be put on the bricks by a minor conflict like that.

If anything it will be that the ACC won't expand (doesn't want to split that money pie any further- don't blame 'em) or there are 3 other candidates who are possibly more attractive (Miami, and maybe a couple others) or that Louisville's academics haven't improved enough yet.

I doubt a name change would be necessary either...

The BigTen has 11 teams.
The BigEast isn't big, 8 football teams.
The Western Athletic Conference has a team from Louisiana.
Florida State in the Atlantic Coast conference is on the Gulf Coast.

That type of thing is so minor, it likely wouldn't make a difference. There are many more important things to consider.
06-11-2002 03:58 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by UofLSig:
Florida State in the Atlantic Coast conference is on the Gulf Coast.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually, the state of Florida is on the Atlantic Coast, so that's that.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

However, geography aside, I would love to have Louisville join up. Can't you annex Delaware or something? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
06-11-2002 05:25 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SeminoleRob:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by UofLSig:
Florida State in the Atlantic Coast conference is on the Gulf Coast.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually, the state of Florida is on the Atlantic Coast, so that's that.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

However, geography aside, I would love to have Louisville join up. Can't you annex Delaware or something? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Heck yeah, I'd love to annex Delaware. hehe...

I'd encourage all ACC folks to tune in to some Louisville games this year in basketball and football.

Those two sports combined last year were on National/Network/Cable TV over 20 times last year.

We've got 6 scheduled for ESPN/ESPN2 for football so far.... we are also likely going to have quite a few on TV for basketball as well.

I'd love to see an annual Rick Pitino vs. Coach K match-up. Or a Louisville vs. Maryland game. That would have the networks drooling!
06-11-2002 05:58 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ClemTiger:
First of all you make some good points, i don't see any obvious drawbacks for adding Louisville (except maybe that it's not on the Atlantic Coast).

Second, at no point will Miami or VT ever join the ACC. Quit talking about it. The Big East is a Big conference and why would these teams leave when Miami just won a NC and VT was in one just a few years back. Both teams are sitting pretty.

Third, if the ACC is to add a team it should be Central Florida. This would be an easy team to convince to join. They play in Orlando, a decent size market <img border="0" alt="[laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laughing.gif" /> , have had a decent football team as of late and are right smack dab in the middle of one of the largest if not the largest college recruiting areas in the nation. Sorta hard to convince these great florida atheletes to join your team when you have NO shot at a NC (at least in football). That would all change if they joined the ACC. Plus i believe size wise they are around 50,000 students. They need to be in a major conference.

Louisville, you make a good point but if the ACC is to expand it should be UCF. Then Louisville.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey ClemTiger...

Bless you...

We had this thread three months ago.

Your thoughts are my thoughts.

A second major newspaper...

Smack dab in the heart of a state that has over
400 kids a year signing division 1 scholarships.

a 72,000 seat stadium...(it would be the third
largest in the league)

The entire league benefits by this move. Every
team could offer Fla HSer's a chance to play in
their home state every year, they are in college
or twice in the same year, every other year.
It would be an edge.

UCF, can also play. They would finish anywhere
from 5th to 7th right now!

Basketball, they would use the Orlando Arena
for Home ACC games.

Baseball...They can compete there also...

Miami...is never coming into the ACC...the league
presidents have already made that quite clear.

Expansion...UCF, Louisville...which BTW is only
5 hour drive from WF...6 from GT...6 and a half
from UVA...They're closer than FSU is to the
Carolina schools.

and Virginia Tech! If not...How 'Bout East
Carolina?

Carolina schools don't like 'em...but they can
play also!

If Syracuse is a possibility, the league needs
to move quick, because either the Orange or Missouri are going to wind up going to the Big 10.
06-11-2002 09:56 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Paul:
Hey ClemTiger...

Bless you...We had this thread three months ago.

Your thoughts are my thoughts.

Expansion...UCF, Louisville...which BTW is only
5 hour drive from WF...6 from GT...6 and a half
from UVA...They're closer than FSU is to the
Carolina schools.

and Virginia Tech! If not...How 'Bout East
Carolina?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Good post, Paul.

There seem to be a number of good candidates, and the ACC has the bankroll and the prestige to get who it wants.

Virginia Tech- good football, decent basketball, rabid fan support, in "ACC country", and a natural rivalry built in.

Miami- awesome football, awesome baseball, good basketball, possible problems with getting in.

Syracuse- good football, great basketball, good fan support, great academics, hell of a long way away.

Boston College- good basketball, good football, good fan support, good name recognition, fantastic market size, also a long way away.

East Carolina- good football, basketball is just starting, in "ACC country", decent fan support, good baseball

Louisville- great basketball, great fan support, good football, good marketability, question mark on academics, outside "ACC country"

Central Florida- good football, great facilities, big school, recruiting hot-bed, good market size, question mark on basketball, good baseball.
06-12-2002 04:19 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Garnet & Gold:
As for UofLSIG, any way you look at it, 42,000 people in a stadium is not that big of deal for the NOLES. Try Clemson in Death Valley or the Gators in the Swamp (SWAMP= <img border="0" alt="[Puke]" title="" src="graemlins/puke.gif" /> )To you it may be loud, but the NOLES have around twice that number for home games alone, and playing Clemson and the Gators every year will definetly prepare you for anything in terms of noise level</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I would normally agree with you, but the quote came from Illini QB Kurt Kittner, who has played in Michigan's Big House, Penn State's Happy Valley, Ohio State's monstrous Horsehoe stadium, Wisconsin Badgers wild fans and such.

I think you'll be suprised how much stadium design can effect the noise level, even with only 42,000 seats.

Either way, I can't wait for the game, I asked off for it last January, and will be there all day tailgating.

If you come to Louisville, be sure to check out world-famous Churchill Downs, which is less than a half mile from the stadium and houses the Kentucky Derby Museum. On the other side of the stadium about a half mile away is Six Flags Amusement and Water Park for the family, and further downtown is the Louisville Slugger Museum, Factory, and Louisville Bats baseball stadium. Also near the stadium is the Louisville Basketball Museum in Freedom Hall.

Hope to see some Nole fans in attendance. I know I'm part of a 20 person traveling party in a couple of vans going down to the Louisville-Duke game this year. We should have a good number from the Cardinal Caravan in Durham for the game this fall.
06-12-2002 04:37 AM
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20 Louisville fans traveling to see the Duke game? That's more Louisville fans than Duke fans that will be there <img border="0" alt="[laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laughing.gif" />
06-12-2002 12:54 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ClemTiger:
20 Louisville fans traveling to see the Duke game? That's more Louisville fans than Duke fans that will be there <img border="0" alt="[laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laughing.gif" /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No kidding, and that's just in our two rental vans. The travel agency that handles the "Cardinal Caravan" and "Cardinal Flock" groups that travel extensively likely has a thousand or so sign ups for their busses.

I plan on touring the Duke campus and seeing Cameron indoor while we are down there. I heard it is itty-bitty?!!? Like a high-school gym?

Louisville fans took over the Cincinnati game in Cincinnati this year, bought out their tickets. We brought close to 4,000 to the Illinois game through scalped tickets. We also brought 28,000 people to the Liberty Bowl in Memphis.

For a basketball school, our fans are sure catching on to this football business.
06-12-2002 01:44 PM
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When it comes to football, just face the facts. Louisville plays nobody with the exception of 1 or 2 real teams per year. If you guys did play a decent schedule then you wouldn't have that 10 win season you're talking about. As far as BCS...go to a real website like cnnsi.com and pull that up and post it just for me. Also who are your NFL pro-bowlers and these future stars that I've never heard about? I just had to make those comments after reading what you posted.

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Who cares about Kurt?
06-12-2002 02:18 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by TIGERFREAK:
When it comes to football, just face the facts. Louisville plays nobody with the exception of 1 or 2 real teams per year. If you guys did play a decent schedule then you wouldn't have that 10 win season you're talking about. As far as BCS...go to a real website like cnnsi.com and pull that up and post it just for me. Also who are your NFL pro-bowlers and these future stars that I've never heard about? I just had to make those comments after reading what you posted.

P.S.
Who cares about Kurt?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Cardinal Pro-Bowlers:

Sam Madison, DB Miami Dolphins
Ted Washington, DT Chicago Bears
David Akers, K Philadelphia Eagles

We've also had recent pro-bowlers in Joe Johnson DT for Saints, Ray Buchanan, DB from the Falcons.

Who were the Clemson pro-bowlers?

As for our schedule, we'd love to have a tougher schedule, thats one of the many reasons we'd like to change conferences.

Now, the future stars?

S Anthony Floyd was a Walter Camp All-American as a sophomore with 11 interceptions, he is a pre-season 2nd and 3rd team All-American on several publications.

S Curry Burns was recently listed as the 3rd best
defensive backfield player in the nation by the Sporting News.

Louisville's DeWayne White is a junior DE who is a pre-season All-American through NationalChamps.net, Sporting News, and Athlon.

DT Bobby Leffew was a freshman All-American, was named to the All-Conference team as a freshman, and is a pre-season All-Conference player as a sophomore.

Louisville TE Rhonnie Ghent is a two-time all-conference player returning for his senior year, he is a 2nd and 3rd team all-american on some sites, and a candidate for a couple post-season awards.

Louisville Dave Ragone is regarded as one of the best pro QB prospects in the nation. He is
6'4" 240 pounds, runs a 4.6 forty, and has a cannon for an arm. ESPN wrote an article recently talking about super-sized QB NFL prospects, and the focus was on Dave Ragone and Byron Leftwich from Marshall.

I'd encourage you to watch Louisville one of the 6 or 7 times we ae on ESPN or ESPN 2 this year.

What was that site you mentioned? Oh yeah... CNNSI... they have Louisville ranked #20.

It's weird though, I see FSU at #5 in their poll, NC State at #23, but I don't see Clemson or any other ACC schools. Its likely a mistake.

<a href="http://www.nationalchamps.net/NCAA/NCS_poll_2002.htm" target="_blank">http://www.nationalchamps.net/NCAA/NCS_poll_2002.htm</a>

<small>[ June 12, 2002, 07:11 PM: Message edited by: UofLSig ]</small>
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UofLSig, I dont know what your thinking about in terms of noise level when you mention those stadiums compared to Papa Johns. Here is something that should help you & Kurt Kittner. The current capacity of stadiums is as follows..
Michigan 107,501
Penn State 106,537
Ohio State 101,568
Wisconsin 76,129 smallest out of the 4, yet still larger then Papa Johns
Teams FSU will play this year that have loud stadiums..
Florida 83,000
Clemson 81,473
FSU- Doak Campbell Stadium 80,000
and finally Louisville has a HUGE 42,000, look at all these teams and tell me how the noise will affect FSU, no matter what shape the stadium is formed in. Oh FSU has won in Michigans so called BIG HOUSE, and won big too. See you in September.

<small>[ June 12, 2002, 07:36 PM: Message edited by: Garnet & Gold ]</small>
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I can't remember exactly which ex Clemson players made it to this past pro bowl but here are a few of the more notable names.

Brian Dawkins, S Eagles
Dexter McCleon, CB Rams
Trevor Pryce, DT Broncos

I'm pretty sure that these three made the past pro bowl but can't remember if there were any others. The rest are some of the better ex Clemson players some of which have played in a pro bowl and others who haven't but still might be recognizable.

Levon Kirkland, LB Seahawks
Anthony Simmons, LB Seahawks
Chester McGlockton, DT Broncos
Antuan Edwards, CB Packers
Rod Gardner, WR Skins
Terry Allen, RB Ravens
Robert Carswell, S Chargers
Darrell Crutchfield, CB Eagles
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Garnet & Gold:
UofLSig, I dont know what your thinking about in terms of noise level when you mention those stadiums compared to Papa Johns. Here is something that should help you & Kurt Kittner. The current capacity of stadiums is as follows..
Michigan 107,501
Penn State 106,537
Ohio State 101,568
Wisconsin 76,129 smallest out of the 4, yet still larger then Papa Johns
Teams FSU will play this year that have loud stadiums..
Florida 83,000
Clemson 81,473
FSU- Doak Campbell Stadium 80,000
and finally Louisville has a HUGE 42,000, look at all these teams and tell me how the noise will affect FSU, no matter what shape the stadium is formed in. Oh FSU has won in Michigans so called BIG HOUSE, and won big too. See you in September.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You realize you just made my point right?

I said...
"I would normally agree with you, but the quote came from Illini QB Kurt Kittner, who has played in Michigan's Big House, Penn State's Happy Valley, Ohio State's monstrous Horsehoe stadium, Wisconsin Badgers wild fans and such."

You made my point by listing the massive capacities of those stadiums. That was my point, those stadium are double the size of Louisville's and our crowd is louder on the field.

I doubt it will phase FSU very much like you said. I just can't wait.

It'll be great having two top 15 teams going head to head on ESPN in our stadium.
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In case you haven't noticed, Lousiville aint on the ATLANTIC COAST. its an inland state.

and as to the ACC expanding: NO! if it aint broke, dont fix it!
06-12-2002 09:22 PM
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Florida State is going to crush Louisville in football right in your small (loud?) stadium. They'll show you how a real top 15 team plays. As for Clemson not being ranked compared to your team, we had totally different schedules, ours was just a little harder (lol). Also about your stats of Louisvilles conference 2nd ans 3rd team players.. they'd be walk ons over in the ACC.
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By the way that was a BCS ranking that you talked about early.....that's what I want to see on CNNSI.com (a real website!)
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