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Has anyone seen any feedback from the "experts" on how our class matched up against the other MAC schools and overall?
02-07-2004 10:25 AM
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I have already declared the Huskies winners of the 2004 MAC Recruiting race. 04-rock 04-rock 04-rock
02-07-2004 11:48 AM
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HuskieDan Wrote:I have already declared the Huskies winners of the 2004 MAC Recruiting race. 04-rock 04-rock 04-rock
Settled..any other ranking pales in comparison..
02-07-2004 12:12 PM
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Haha, its agreed!
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I think that NIU, BG, Toledo, Western Michigan, and Miami all had very strong recruiting classes and you could pretty much toss a coin about whose was the best. Nick G. of http://www.vandelaysports.com made a preliminary judgment which says pretty much the same. He will have a thorough analysis by 2-15. I'm not including Marshall or UCF since they're leaving.

To have this many teams with very solid classes is great for the MAC. Perhaps even more significant is that Ball State, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, and Akron have done better than in recent years. Ohio may have done better and at least doesn't appear to have slipped. I'm not sure about Kent, which had a very small class, or Buffalo.

I'm betting that Nick G. will say that this year's recruiting is without a doubt the best ever for the MAC.
02-08-2004 11:04 AM
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Santa Fe Falcon Wrote:I think that NIU, BG, Toledo, Western Michigan, and Miami all had very strong recruiting classes and you could pretty much toss a coin about whose was the best. Nick G. of http://www.vandelaysports.com made a preliminary judgment which says pretty much the same. He will have a thorough analysis by 2-15. I'm not including Marshall or UCF since they're leaving.

To have this many teams with very solid classes is great for the MAC. Perhaps even more significant is that Ball State, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, and Akron have done better than in recent years. Ohio may have done better and at least doesn't appear to have slipped. I'm not sure about Kent, which had a very small class, or Buffalo.

I'm betting that Nick G. will say that this year's recruiting is without a doubt the best ever for the MAC.
Santa Fe Falcon..what is the talk, if any, around the MAC about what to do when Marshall and UCF leave the conference? Restructure the divisions? Bring on two new teams? Leave things alone? The MAC seems to be pretty closed mouthed about it.
02-08-2004 01:58 PM
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Santa Fe Falcon Wrote:I think that NIU, BG, Toledo, Western Michigan, and Miami all had very strong recruiting classes and you could pretty much toss a coin about whose was the best. Nick G. of http://www.vandelaysports.com made a preliminary judgment which says pretty much the same. He will have a thorough analysis by 2-15. I'm not including Marshall or UCF since they're leaving.

To have this many teams with very solid classes is great for the MAC. Perhaps even more significant is that Ball State, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, and Akron have done better than in recent years. Ohio may have done better and at least doesn't appear to have slipped. I'm not sure about Kent, which had a very small class, or Buffalo.

I'm betting that Nick G. will say that this year's recruiting is without a doubt the best ever for the MAC.
I agree. I think the other schools will really start picking it up in recruiting because those other schools can offer kids a chance to start right away even more so than even the top of the MAC can. With the increased exposure and quality of the MAC, that becomes an attractive opportunity.
02-08-2004 02:00 PM
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Speculation I've seen about MAC divisional changes is that either BG will return to the East or that Ball State will go to the East, hoping to create a rivalry between Miami and Ball State.

As far as adding teams to the MAC, I haven't seen much strong speculation for now. I have the feeling that Commisioner Chryst feels that other issues are more of a priority at this time, e.g., setting up a 3rd Bowl for the MAC, strengthening present membership, and establishing scheduling agreements with other conferences or teams such as the military academies. For my money, Chryst is one of the best Commisioners there is and the best among the non-BCS Conferences. During this time of great turmoil I'm betting the MAC will come out ahead in comparison to other non-BCS Conferences.
02-08-2004 04:17 PM
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I'd like to think that we'd come out ahead, but CUSA and WAC both think that they got stronger. It is really in the eye of the beholder, and a few seasons will really tell us what happens. I think if anything made us stronger its our play on the field last year, not what we did/did not do during the conference re-alignments.
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Santa Fe Falcon Wrote:Speculation I've seen about MAC divisional changes is that either BG will return to the East or that Ball State will go to the East, hoping to create a rivalry between Miami and Ball State.

As far as adding teams to the MAC, I haven't seen much strong speculation for now. I have the feeling that Commisioner Chryst feels that other issues are more of a priority at this time, e.g., setting up a 3rd Bowl for the MAC, strengthening present membership, and establishing scheduling agreements with other conferences or teams such as the military academies. For my money, Chryst is one of the best Commisioners there is and the best among the non-BCS Conferences. During this time of great turmoil I'm betting the MAC will come out ahead in comparison to other non-BCS Conferences.
Not that I would hate to get rid of BG from the west since things are starting to get good between our 2 teams but I think from a current competitive standpoint, BG needs to go back to the east. BG/Miami and Toledo/NIU evens out the conferences better than moving BSU would. This may eventually change but if you have Toledo, BG and NIU all in the west can hurt the conference because eveybody beating up each other can hurt overall records and possibly losing a bowl opportunity. I am sure Miami would be happy with moving BSU over though. It would mean they would dominate the east for the next few years before the others hopefully catch up. I do understand the reasoning though. Thinking about it, could they just switch? Move Miami to the west and BG/Toledo to the east? That may wreck the Miami/Ohio rivalry but if they want a Miami/BSU rivalry and keep the BG/Toledo rivalry and keep things more even, it would seem like a possibility or am I missing something? Unless Toledo and Miami jump to C-DOA of course. :rolleyes: 03-lol
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I wouldn't rip CUSA till we see exactly how hit pans out for them, they have teams moving to them, in a few seasons UCF and MArshall may be very good in CUSA. That being Said CUSA may stink out loud, The MAC shouldn't see it self as a rival to CUSA, but they should just focus on themselvs. If we just focus on what we can do to improve the MAC I think things will go better. Will CUSA be a better conference than the MAC? Of course, but the teams out there have bigger stadiums and an estblished fan base. With the CUSA have better teams on the field? They probably will be better across the board, but the MAC best can clean up on the CUSA best. But who cares what CUSA does?

So its basically a wash, they are bigger and more fans, but we can get there if we just focus on what we want to do. If we have a plan for TV, the MAC will improve in the next 5 years and have 3 bowls and more fans.
02-08-2004 06:49 PM
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For what it's worth, rivals.com has NIU's class ranked #1. The top tier MAC teams all had strong classes which is great for the conference. The MAC doesn't need to focus on bringing in other teams, it needs to focus on getting its existing teams better. We need to keep raising the bar. When that happens, I believe alot of the issues currently facing the conference, i.e. attendance and television exposure, will take care of themselves.

As for MAC divisional realignment, Coach Novak said on Coach's Corner last week, that it seemed like BG would move back to the east division, but it was too early to tell.
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CoachJones06 Wrote:I wouldn't rip CUSA till we see exactly how hit pans out for them, they have teams moving to them, in a few seasons UCF and MArshall may be very good in CUSA. That being Said CUSA may stink out loud, The MAC shouldn't see it self as a rival to CUSA, but they should just focus on themselvs. If we just focus on what we can do to improve the MAC I think things will go better. Will CUSA be a better conference than the MAC? Of course, but the teams out there have bigger stadiums and an estblished fan base. With the CUSA have better teams on the field? They probably will be better across the board, but the MAC best can clean up on the CUSA best. But who cares what CUSA does?

So its basically a wash, they are bigger and more fans, but we can get there if we just focus on what we want to do. If we have a plan for TV, the MAC will improve in the next 5 years and have 3 bowls and more fans.
Yes Coach, that maybe true, it's possible the Conf USA could become Marshall & the Sun Belt Conf II. I say good riddance to UCF, they were a bad fit for the MAC, but for Marshall, they may have made their conference move too soon. They should have stayed in the MAC and then sought out the Big East.
02-09-2004 08:41 AM
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The remaining members of the MAC (NIU included) shouldn't be so hasty to rip Marshall on the heels of its defection to CUSA. Next year the other shoe is likely to drop on conference shuffling around the nation. Further defections are likely to occur in CUSA. Plus keep in mind the NCAA might actually start enforcing the 15,000 rule in football. If they do (which I highly doubt), then there will be plenty of repercussions for the MAC.

It is not outside the realm of possibility to think that the strong football program schools of the MAC (Miami, Toledo, Western Michigan, Bowling Green and NIU) could be reunited with Marshall and a couple other CUSA schools, either in a "new" CUSA or "new" MAC or "new" something else conference.
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I agree with that. That's what I find humorous about Marshall. If things go according to your prediction, then what was the point of Marshall leaving in the first place? They spend all that money, raise the salary of their football coach, but then can linked back with the same teams that they thought they had outgrown. That's just funny to me!

As for UCF, they were just a bad fit for our conference to begin with.
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I have a hard time seeing CUSA lose many more schools. The ones they have should be happy with the conference they have, I could see TCU leaving to not only leave the CUSA for football, but TCU wasn't much in hoops and playing in CUSA sure didn't help their record. The other schools i see sticking it out together, they have fans, bowls and TV. WHile they may not be a talented bunch left in CUSA they are popular, take memphis and ECU for example, they can draw the fans.

Like alum i do see the MAC and CUSA coming together eventually, but i think the date was 2005 or 2006 on those attendance numbers.
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A TCU move to the Mountain West has already been announced. In all, CUSA turned over more than half their members.
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