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Profitablitly does not mean keeping the cash, if your profitable one would assume they would use the money on NIU no?

Now i'm no star business man like Alum, though i was able to retire at 32, but i never once said we have to compete with the big boys, but we can compete at a higher level.

But here is where I think you guys are being hard headed, does anyone here remember virgina polytech from the early 90's? A school that wasn't any good at any sports, but came into a little bit of cash and had a little bit of vision to turn themselvs into a sports power house. But i guess business plans don't work right guys, Virgina Polytech isn't around anymore. (virgina tech for those of you who don't know their story).
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that IS a good example of a nobody becoming a somebody in a realtively short span....


so how did they do it.....how are they funded....and how did they compare in 1990 to NIU in 2004?
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Sorry about above post (and I am sober)
Wow, I guess the newspapers and other local media here in west central Florida have been fibbing to us rednecks because
they told us Leroy Selmon, Associate AD external affairs 1993
through 2001 and AD 2001 until 2/04 raised $10,000,000
before they would even consider fielding a football team, then
raised another $10,000,000 or so for football offices, weightrooms, etc and are now a member of a bcs conference.
Good thing cybes and alum were not running that athletic dept
back in the early ninties! But I guess that directional school is
different than our directional school.
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cyberdawg Wrote:that IS a good example of a nobody becoming a somebody in a realtively short span....


so how did they do it.....how are they funded....and how did they compare in 1990 to NIU in 2004?
What they did was have the balls to leave the Metro Conference and Join the big east when it was first founded. They were really really bad, and bounced around for all other sports before bringing it all together. The metro conference was a little worse than the MAC. So enough about crying about what we don't have, we have more the VPI had, so what now?

Now we know it can be done, so lets try to make a move for growth.
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start with comparing these three business communities as your base:

tampa , orlando and Dekalb. for UCF , USF and NIU

forget Chicago which has little real connection to NIU where ND, DePaul and UIC are top community priorities.

It's not quite the same to squeeze a pig farmer as it is Arthur Andreson for big bux.
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pantone1935 Wrote:Sorry about above post (and I am sober)
Wow, I guess the newspapers and other local media here in west central Florida have been fibbing to us rednecks because
they told us Leroy Selmon, Associate AD external affairs 1993
through 2001 and AD 2001 until 2/04 raised $10,000,000
before they would even consider fielding a football team, then
raised another $10,000,000 or so for football offices, weightrooms, etc and are now a member of a bcs conference.
Good thing cybes and alum were not running that athletic dept
back in the early ninties! But I guess that directional school is
different than our directional school.
GO HUSKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice example. Southern Miss was also able to upgrade their facilities in a first-rate fashion as well. I'm just glad the Groth Era is over. Who we hire will be a great indicator of how serious we are to having a perennial top 50 football program. Lets hope Peters does the right thing. I believe he will. 03-wink
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cyberdawg Wrote:start with comparing these three business communities as your base:

tampa , orlando and Dekalb. for UCF , USF and NIU

forget Chicago which has little real connection to NIU where ND, DePaul and UIC are top community priorities.

It's not quite the same to squeeze a pig farmer as it is Arthur Andreson for big bux.
The connection is US. ALUMNI!!!!

Thats where the business connection to chicago should come from, alum are out there guy. Just go after them, SOMEONE should have called me i have money, but i haven't gotten a call just the standard stuff.
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Cybes, USF has a much smaller AND younger alumni base but
yet Selmon talked to any group or individual who would listen.
Maybe the problem is NIU doesn't have or had anyone who wanted the athletic department to succeed and wanted to put an effort into trying to make the product better.
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pantone1935 Wrote:Sorry about above post (and I am sober)
Wow, I guess the newspapers and other local media here in west central Florida have been fibbing to us rednecks because
they told us Leroy Selmon, Associate AD external affairs 1993
through 2001 and AD 2001 until 2/04 raised $10,000,000
before they would even consider fielding a football team, then
raised another $10,000,000 or so for football offices, weightrooms, etc and are now a member of a bcs conference.
Good thing cybes and alum were not running that athletic dept
back in the early ninties! But I guess that directional school is
different than our directional school.
GO HUSKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, Fla -

There is a ton of money in Florida and a passionate interest in college football. Not quite the same here in the Midwest hinterlands. Here, the only things we can generate money for are corn boils and cow chip throwing contests at the county fair! :rolleyes:
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pantone1935 Wrote:Cybes, USF has a much smaller AND younger alumni base but
yet Selmon talked to any group or individual who would listen.
Maybe the problem is NIU doesn't have or had anyone who wanted the athletic department to succeed and wanted to put an effort into trying to make the product better.
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There ya go! USF knew how to do it! Take note, new NIU AD!! 04-deal
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pantone1935 Wrote:Cybes, USF has a much smaller AND younger alumni base but
yet Selmon talked to any group or individual who would listen.
Maybe the problem is NIU doesn't have or had anyone who wanted the athletic department to succeed and wanted to put an effort into trying to make the product better.
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There ya go! USF knew how to do it! Take note, new NIU AD!! 04-deal
Not to make excuses but a big part of it also has to do with the types of careers the grads get. I really don't know much about USF but being a much younger school, my guess is that they have concentrated on the higher paying occupations such as engineering while NIU has been a teaching college(lower paying jobs) with a fairly recent focus on Business and engineering(oops I almost forgot, football 03-lol ). It will(and is starting to-Barsema) pay off when these people get out in the real world with an increased positive perception of NIU and what it gave them(football would have something to do with that). In my opinion, it will take several more years of positive change and more higher paid grads before we can really start seeing a noticable difference in donations. My career choice would pay 30-40000 a year(maybe slightly more) for quite a few years before possibly getting into the 60000 range so I really can't afford anything more than than season tickets, a $200 donation to the department and parking. I think a majority are in the same boat. Although at 31(no I am not retired yet or anywhere near it) I can't even afford to give more than a normal grad because I have to start finding ways to save for the day that retirement comes and I have less time to do it. I know I went off on a slight tangent but the point is the more alumni you have that are in well paying jobs, the easier it is to pay for things like football facilities. We are on the way but we aren't there yet.
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Its not so much the job you get, i was in finance, its what you do with your money, as a school and a person. I invested in real estate and got lucky. But NIU has to do something like i did, invest in real estate, a Football Building if you will. Why can't NIU finance it? For example raise half, then finance the rest, strike soon while rates are low.

Its the little things that i don't have the knowledge of that Groth should have had and should have made a decision about. IF NIU could finance the building she should have had a bigger plan drawn up, say an eleven million dollar project.

That ALUM is within our reach, and financed spread out over say 30 years, LOW RATES, we could handle it. EVentually it could pay for itself by adding seats and making a program better thus drawing bowl money, and GASP TV MONEY?
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NIUGAMBLER Wrote:
cyberdawg Wrote:start with comparing these three business communities  as your base:

tampa , orlando and Dekalb. for UCF , USF and NIU

forget Chicago which has little real connection to NIU where ND, DePaul and UIC are top community priorities.

It's not quite the same to squeeze a pig farmer as it is Arthur Andreson for big bux.
The connection is US. ALUMNI!!!!

Thats where the business connection to chicago should come from, alum are out there guy. Just go after them, SOMEONE should have called me i have money, but i haven't gotten a call just the standard stuff.
Please don't look for big donors in our alum. Not because they don't want to but up until the last 10 years or so the majority of the alumni base for NIU were education majors and we all know that outside of the Chicago subruban schools that is not a big bucks field. Hence the lack of big donors. Added to the lack of big money alum is a lack of passion for NIU sports both in the alumni and the current student body. Yes we had big student turnouts in FB for big games but where were the students and the alum for the last home game when there was no Fox or ESPN?? And yea we had a bad BB team this year but my god we could not get 50 students out that weren't cheerleaders or pep band members. At least the fraternities could have shown up but no. Outside of the members of this board and the other one there is little or no concern nor interest. How frustrating...
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RobertN Wrote:
Dog Fan Wrote:
pantone1935 Wrote:Cybes, USF has a much smaller AND younger alumni base but
yet Selmon talked to any group or individual who would listen.
Maybe the problem is NIU doesn't have or had anyone who wanted the athletic department to succeed and wanted to put an effort into trying to make the product better.
GO HUSKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There ya go! USF knew how to do it! Take note, new NIU AD!! 04-deal
Not to make excuses but a big part of it also has to do with the types of careers the grads get. I really don't know much about USF but being a much younger school, my guess is that they have concentrated on the higher paying occupations such as engineering while NIU has been a teaching college(lower paying jobs) with a fairly recent focus on Business and engineering(oops I almost forgot, football 03-lol ). It will(and is starting to-Barsema) pay off when these people get out in the real world with an increased positive perception of NIU and what it gave them(football would have something to do with that). In my opinion, it will take several more years of positive change and more higher paid grads before we can really start seeing a noticable difference in donations. My career choice would pay 30-40000 a year(maybe slightly more) for quite a few years before possibly getting into the 60000 range so I really can't afford anything more than than season tickets, a $200 donation to the department and parking. I think a majority are in the same boat. Although at 31(no I am not retired yet or anywhere near it) I can't even afford to give more than a normal grad because I have to start finding ways to save for the day that retirement comes and I have less time to do it. I know I went off on a slight tangent but the point is the more alumni you have that are in well paying jobs, the easier it is to pay for things like football facilities. We are on the way but we aren't there yet.
Robert -

With your buying of season tickets, a $200 donation, and parking, you are a credit to Huskie fans and should be highly lauded. I know you don't have the greatest job in the world (yet), and for a time you were unemployed. Yet, you find a way to give more than you can afford and are there at every game to cheer the Huskies on (or at least try to stay awake). Do not sell yourself short. If every other Huskie fan extends themselves like you have, the facility would be built, and we would not be having these discussions.

It's the job of the administration and the new AD to cultivate more fans and supporters like you. They need to make the little guys feel like they are the most important people in the world. We need all the small fish we can get. Little fish often turn into big fish.

Everyone who breathes can afford a donation of some type, whether it's $25 or $25,000. In addition to going after the big fish, it's also the job of the Athletic Department's fundraising unit to actively cultivate the smaller donors.

There are so many ways to do it, from fundraisers to phone-a-thons to sales of memorabilia and Huskie-autographed equipment. How many of you would buy a team-autographed football for $100 or even $200 (or more)? Why not hold an auction? I really hope that the new AD is active in getting his (her?) face in front of the public, shaking some hands, and producing some revenue.

And, Robert, for any fundraising campaign, I vote for you as the poster boy! 04-bow
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Saying that there were leading figures in the athletic dept that did not either care nor had the desire/ambitions to improve nor put in the effort to raise the money is a strong allegation......

lets just see how fast and easily the new guy gets it rolling....

I would be very interested to learn the names of donors and amounts from alums vrs larger businesses that contributed 10 million dollars to a relatively unknown program in a short time.....

If every single living NIU alum contributed $50 directly to athletic dept, the program would be 10 million dollars richer....Sadly less than 30,000 alums have any attachment / eagerness to do so......they have been asked more than a few times....including my own son who has an NIU degree in finance, earned his CFA certificate passing all three exams first attempt after graduation and is a sports fan in general.
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cyberdawg Wrote:Saying that there were leading figures in the athletic dept that did not either care nor had the desire/ambitions to improve nor put in the effort to raise the money is a strong allegation......

lets just see how fast and easily the new guy gets it rolling....

I would be very interested to learn the names of donors and amounts from alums vrs larger businesses that contributed 10 million dollars to a relatively unknown program in a short time.....

If every single living NIU alum contributed $50 directly to athletic dept, the program would be 10 million dollars richer....Sadly less than 30,000 alums have any attachment / eagerness to do so......they have been asked more than a few times....including my own son who has an NIU degree in finance, earned his CFA certificate passing all three exams first attempt after graduation and is a sports fan in general.
Another splash of very cold water. Historical giving by alumni to NIU ranks embarassing low, even relative to like regional/mid-major universities across the United States. Giving has picked up in the past few years, thanks largely (in my opinion) to the visionary leadership of President Peters. Also, 1,300 alumni gave to NIU for the first-time ever during the past year, thanks in significant part (according to the direct statement of Peters) to the buzz created by the 2003 football campaign. And important to note is the impressive giving provided by the large donor community to date for the Barsema Alumni and Visitor Center project ($4.4 million and climbing as of latest).

Unfortunately, far too many alumni completely turn their back on NIU once they depart DeKalb. Completely amazing to me is the shocking number of alumni (mostly business majors) I have encountered in my profession over the years who are either embarrassed or ashamed that they even attended NIU. Most who go on to earn MBA's and other advanced degrees affiliate themselves more closely with those programs than their undergraduate home of NIU. Very sad, both for them and NIU.
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cyberdawg Wrote:Saying that there were leading figures in the athletic dept that did not either care nor had the  desire/ambitions  to improve nor  put in the effort to raise the  money is a strong allegation......

lets just see how fast and easily the new guy gets it rolling....

I would be very interested to learn the names of donors and amounts from alums vrs  larger  businesses that contributed 10 million dollars to a relatively unknown program in a short time.....

If every single living  NIU alum contributed $50 directly to athletic dept,  the program would be 10 million dollars richer....Sadly less than 30,000 alums have any  attachment / eagerness to do so......they have been asked more  than a few times....including my own son who has an NIU  degree in finance, earned his CFA certificate  passing all three exams first attempt after graduation and is a sports fan in general.
Another splash of very cold water. Historical giving by alumni to NIU ranks embarassing low, even relative to like regional/mid-major universities across the United States. Giving has picked up in the past few years, thanks largely (in my opinion) to the visionary leadership of President Peters. Also, 1,300 alumni gave to NIU for the first-time ever during the past year, thanks in significant part (according to the direct statement of Peters) to the buzz created by the 2003 football campaign. And important to note is the impressive giving provided by the large donor community to date for the Barsema Alumni and Visitor Center project ($4.4 million and climbing as of latest).

Unfortunately, far too many alumni completely turn their back on NIU once they depart DeKalb. Completely amazing to me is the shocking number of alumni (mostly business majors) I have encountered in my profession over the years who are either embarrassed or ashamed that they even attended NIU. Most who go on to earn MBA's and other advanced degrees affiliate themselves more closely with those programs than their undergraduate home of NIU. Very sad, both for them and NIU.
Thats why an AD needs to bring them back in. Don't you guys see it, Give the alum something to be proud of. The campus isn't the best looking, but if we start off by improving the stadium the alum have something to be proud of when they come home.

Lets be honest right now we play in a high school stadium, It'll take a little cash, but the better we make the stadium and facilities the more proud the alum will be to be associated with NIU.
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cyberdawg Wrote:Saying that there were leading figures in the athletic dept that did not either care nor had the  desire/ambitions  to improve nor  put in the effort to raise the  money is a strong allegation......

lets just see how fast and easily the new guy gets it rolling....

I would be very interested to learn the names of donors and amounts from alums vrs  larger  businesses that contributed 10 million dollars to a relatively unknown program in a short time.....

If every single living  NIU alum contributed $50 directly to athletic dept,  the program would be 10 million dollars richer....Sadly less than 30,000 alums have any  attachment / eagerness to do so......they have been asked more  than a few times....including my own son who has an NIU  degree in finance, earned his CFA certificate  passing all three exams first attempt after graduation and is a sports fan in general.
Another splash of very cold water. Historical giving by alumni to NIU ranks embarassing low, even relative to like regional/mid-major universities across the United States. Giving has picked up in the past few years, thanks largely (in my opinion) to the visionary leadership of President Peters. Also, 1,300 alumni gave to NIU for the first-time ever during the past year, thanks in significant part (according to the direct statement of Peters) to the buzz created by the 2003 football campaign. And important to note is the impressive giving provided by the large donor community to date for the Barsema Alumni and Visitor Center project ($4.4 million and climbing as of latest).

Unfortunately, far too many alumni completely turn their back on NIU once they depart DeKalb. Completely amazing to me is the shocking number of alumni (mostly business majors) I have encountered in my profession over the years who are either embarrassed or ashamed that they even attended NIU. Most who go on to earn MBA's and other advanced degrees affiliate themselves more closely with those programs than their undergraduate home of NIU. Very sad, both for them and NIU.
Yes, indeed, and you hit the nail on the head as lack of pride being the reason for the apathy. To me, this is so sad. I attended a highly-ranked university as an undergrad, and I give not one penny to them. I do not even open their mailings. The only thing I would do for them is use their toilets (or maybe piss in the lake on the shores of the campus). My grad school years at NIU are the ones that I'm most proud of. Whenever NIU calls or writes, I give all I can. My office is completely decked out in NIU "high fashion", from NIU banners, flags and signs, to an NIU Huskie welcome mat, to mini-helmets, to stuffed huskies, to figurines, to magnetic logos on all my file cabinets. I also have memorabilia from DeKalb/Sycamore. Everyone who talks to me and steps into my office knows my pride and loyalty to NIU. My closets are filled with no fewer than 50 items of NIU clothing. Everyday, I wear my Huskie watch and, on occasion, I even wear Huskie boxer shorts.

Personally, I am ashamed of those NIU grads who do not take pride in their university, and I chastise them every opportunity I get. And, likewise, I think that NIU should be ashamed of these grads. The education you get - no matter where it is - is no better than the effort you put into it. I found that the atmosphere at NIU was most conducive to receiving a high quality education. It was my education at NIU - not the undergrad school - that prepared me for employment in a high-paying job.

It's a sad commentary, but hopefully the football team's success will instill a little pride in our alumni. :(
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