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RE: ACC Network
.....I got a sneaky feeling this ACC Network thing is Gonna ROCK!!!!04-rock04-cheers
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(07-02-2019 01:26 PM)HRFlossY Wrote:  .....I got a sneaky feeling this ACC Network thing is Gonna ROCK!!!!04-rock04-cheers

I'm also hoping it's going to rock. There are so many variables, however. Let me try comparing the prospects of the ACC Newwork to the SEC Network.

The population of the states in which the ACC has a school is 106 million. The SEC states have a population of 99 million. So, we're a little bigger there.

However, the degree of engagement is a good deal less in three ACC states -- MA, NY and PA than in any SEC state. On the other hand, Chicago may be in a different states but it's still in Notre Dame's backyard and, of course, has a big population. Also, Notre Dame has long cultivated a following in big eastern cities like New York, Boston and Philadelphia. How, much does that make up for the limited appeal of BC, Syracuse and Pitt in their states?

There's also the question of the monthly rates the ACC can command. Reportedly, the SEC is getting $1.30 per month per subscriber within its base and 25 cents a subscriber outside its base. I think the ACC can easily get the $1.30 a month within its base apart from MA, NY and PA but those are big states and I'm not sure what the ACC can do in them. It may depend upon what area of the state we're talking about.

I wonder, though, whether the ACC can command a higher rate than the SEC outside its natural population base. The ACC has two wildcards with wide national interest that the SEC lacks -- Duke basketball and Notre Dame football. Notre Dame's national appeal in football is obvious. That's why they have their own contract with NBC. Let me give you some numbers to demonstrate the widespread national interest in Duke basketball:
Quote:**@DukeMBB leads all college athletics programs with a combined 4 million followers across Twitter, Instagram and Facebook.

**Duke basketball is the most followed college account on Instagram with 1 million followers. They are followed by Alabama football with 761,000, Ohio State football with 619,000 and Georgia football with 543,000.

**This season [2018-19] @DukeMBB followers added (358,000) on Instagram exceeds the total all-time following of all other college basketball accounts.

**On Instagram, Duke has more followers than any other college hoops team, and over three times as many followers as the second-most (Kentucky).

**Duke has more Instagram followers than the next four college hoops teams (Kentucky, UNC, UCLA, Kansas) combined.

**Duke has more followers than every conference’s schools combined in college hoops (including the ACC without Duke).

**Duke has gotten 36.7 million video views on Instagram since July (Kentucky is next closest with 10.05 million in college hoops)

**Duke has more followers on Instagram than all but two NHL teams (Blackhawks, Penguins)

**Duke has more followers than all but five MLB teams (Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Dodgers, Giants)

**Duke more followers than 19 of 32 NFL teams

Yes, the Zion effect last season had something to do with some of these numbers but the numbers were already stratospheric before Zion got to campus.

Will the national interest in Notre Dame football and Duke basketball convert into higher rates in states without ACC teams? I'm sure that's what ESPN is trying to get.
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http://bl.ocks.org/simzou/6459889

Without getting into a pissing match, the following DMA broadcast into States where an ACC team is located:

Chicago
Manchester NH
Burlington VT
Mobile Al
Tri-Cities of VA/TN
Bluefield WVa
Evansville IN
Cincinnati Ohio
Fort Wayne, IN
Grand Rapids Michigan
The Delmarva
Baltimore MD

I would suggest that that while the hard core football fans may be less in most of the ACC Network area, the Basketball and ND fans more than equalize for that. To double down on what Hall suggests, I and most of my NC State and UNC-Ch friends WILL PAY MONEY to watch Duke get beat in basketball. I therefore must have it in case I get news that Duke is getting it's ass whipped. The same way a BoSox fans also thrives on a Yankee's loss. It's not just who you root for, it's also who you hate.

If I were an SEC fan, I would have to be a War Eagle, then an Aggie and to a lesser degree LSU. That is the closest analog to NC State. Therefore I hate Bama and Tennessee and UK. I enjoy watching them lose.

I like to watch scUM lose a game and enjoyed watching Ohio State lose under Urban Meyer. Am I that different?
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That’s impressive numbers from Duke.
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The Northeast was actually the first to sign up for the ACC Network. Either that means it was grossly underpriced, or there are more ACC fans up there than people think.
(I really hope it's B).
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(07-02-2019 04:29 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The Northeast was actually the first to sign up for the ACC Network. Either that means it was grossly underpriced, or there are more ACC fans up there than people think.
(I really hope it's B).

I’ve wondered whether ESPN got those early signups by offering a “most favored nation” type agreement, whereby those who signed up early got a promise that they would get a deal at least as good as that signed with any other carrier.
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(07-02-2019 05:43 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  
(07-02-2019 04:29 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The Northeast was actually the first to sign up for the ACC Network. Either that means it was grossly underpriced, or there are more ACC fans up there than people think.
(I really hope it's B).

I’ve wondered whether ESPN got those early signups by offering a “most favored nation” type agreement, whereby those who signed up early got a promise that they would get a deal at least as good as that signed with any other carrier.

I doubt it. The Pac 12 did that and it pretty much killed any chance of the Pac 12 network getting on Direct TV. I think Disney/ESPN would be a little more skilled negotiating channel rates than the Pac 12 commissioner.
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RE: ACC Network
(07-02-2019 06:33 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(07-02-2019 05:43 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  
(07-02-2019 04:29 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The Northeast was actually the first to sign up for the ACC Network. Either that means it was grossly underpriced, or there are more ACC fans up there than people think.
(I really hope it's B).

I’ve wondered whether ESPN got those early signups by offering a “most favored nation” type agreement, whereby those who signed up early got a promise that they would get a deal at least as good as that signed with any other carrier.

I doubt it. The Pac 12 did that and it pretty much killed any chance of the Pac 12 network getting on Direct TV. I think Disney/ESPN would be a little more skilled negotiating channel rates than the Pac 12 commissioner.

Each cable company has signed up in the order that their contracts came up for renewal - simple as that. I think Verizon Fios put up a pretense of resisting, but so far they've ALL signed. Now, the ACCN really needs Comcast to sign up before their contract expires, but Spectrum expires this year IIRC.
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(07-02-2019 07:11 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-02-2019 06:33 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(07-02-2019 05:43 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  
(07-02-2019 04:29 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The Northeast was actually the first to sign up for the ACC Network. Either that means it was grossly underpriced, or there are more ACC fans up there than people think.
(I really hope it's B).

I’ve wondered whether ESPN got those early signups by offering a “most favored nation” type agreement, whereby those who signed up early got a promise that they would get a deal at least as good as that signed with any other carrier.

I doubt it. The Pac 12 did that and it pretty much killed any chance of the Pac 12 network getting on Direct TV. I think Disney/ESPN would be a little more skilled negotiating channel rates than the Pac 12 commissioner.

Each cable company has signed up in the order that their contracts came up for renewal - simple as that. I think Verizon Fios put up a pretense of resisting, but so far they've ALL signed. Now, the ACCN really needs Comcast to sign up before their contract expires, but Spectrum expires this year IIRC.

I think Spectrum should be easy since it has most of NC. I know it is the main cable company in Charlotte. Google Fiber never really got off the ground here.
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(06-01-2019 10:58 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(06-01-2019 08:38 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  The ACCN should look into acquiring the rights of broadcasting older shows and movies that would appeal to sports fans. There are already channels that already specialize in certain niche programming like Sci-Fi (Comet tv), Westerns (Grit), Baby boomers (MeTV), etc.

My vision would be a channel with movies like Major League, Days of Thunder, The Longest Yard, Remember the Titans, the Blind Side, etc. in between live ACC sports events as more or less filler. There could be a continuous news feed or score ticker that runs continually or every 15 minutes to update the women’s volleyball, field hockey, soccer or whatever. Might even have a 3 minute highlight show at the top of the hour of all the action of that day.

What I am proposing is a way of not only keeping the casual ACC fan watching the channel, but also attract the non-ACC fan if there is a good movie playing occasionally.

I'd prefer for the ACC to be a little more creative in filling time. Why not have lectures from the best professors? Why not 30-for-30 style documentaries on the schools? Etc.

I like that idea a lot. You could do so many different stories on all the various institutions and they would all be interesting. Honestly, that as much as anything else would really foster a sense of camaraderie between the schools.

You can also do C-SPAN types of things for academic conferences and other things – during nonpeak hours of course.
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RE: ACC Network
(07-02-2019 03:20 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  
(07-02-2019 01:26 PM)HRFlossY Wrote:  .....I got a sneaky feeling this ACC Network thing is Gonna ROCK!!!!04-rock04-cheers

I'm also hoping it's going to rock. There are so many variables, however. Let me try comparing the prospects of the ACC Newwork to the SEC Network.

The population of the states in which the ACC has a school is 106 million. The SEC states have a population of 99 million. So, we're a little bigger there.

However, the degree of engagement is a good deal less in three ACC states -- MA, NY and PA than in any SEC state. On the other hand, Chicago may be in a different states but it's still in Notre Dame's backyard and, of course, has a big population. Also, Notre Dame has long cultivated a following in big eastern cities like New York, Boston and Philadelphia. How, much does that make up for the limited appeal of BC, Syracuse and Pitt in their states?

There's also the question of the monthly rates the ACC can command. Reportedly, the SEC is getting $1.30 per month per subscriber within its base and 25 cents a subscriber outside its base. I think the ACC can easily get the $1.30 a month within its base apart from MA, NY and PA but those are big states and I'm not sure what the ACC can do in them. It may depend upon what area of the state we're talking about.

I wonder, though, whether the ACC can command a higher rate than the SEC outside its natural population base. The ACC has two wildcards with wide national interest that the SEC lacks -- Duke basketball and Notre Dame football. Notre Dame's national appeal in football is obvious. That's why they have their own contract with NBC. Let me give you some numbers to demonstrate the widespread national interest in Duke basketball:
Quote:**@DukeMBB leads all college athletics programs with a combined 4 million followers across Twitter, Instagram and Facebook.

**Duke basketball is the most followed college account on Instagram with 1 million followers. They are followed by Alabama football with 761,000, Ohio State football with 619,000 and Georgia football with 543,000.

**This season [2018-19] @DukeMBB followers added (358,000) on Instagram exceeds the total all-time following of all other college basketball accounts.

**On Instagram, Duke has more followers than any other college hoops team, and over three times as many followers as the second-most (Kentucky).

**Duke has more Instagram followers than the next four college hoops teams (Kentucky, UNC, UCLA, Kansas) combined.

**Duke has more followers than every conference’s schools combined in college hoops (including the ACC without Duke).

**Duke has gotten 36.7 million video views on Instagram since July (Kentucky is next closest with 10.05 million in college hoops)

**Duke has more followers on Instagram than all but two NHL teams (Blackhawks, Penguins)

**Duke has more followers than all but five MLB teams (Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Dodgers, Giants)

**Duke more followers than 19 of 32 NFL teams

Yes, the Zion effect last season had something to do with some of these numbers but the numbers were already stratospheric before Zion got to campus.

Will the national interest in Notre Dame football and Duke basketball convert into higher rates in states without ACC teams? I'm sure that's what ESPN is trying to get.

Regarding the " limited appeal of BC, Syracuse and Pitt in their states?" I can assure you that SU will do its part in getting good revenues in Upstate NY regarding the ACCN.

I cant speak for BC and Pitt. But SU absolutely is THEE program in Upstate NY, an area that has more than 6 million sets of eyeballs and stretches from Albany to Buffalo/Niagara Falls and up north to the Canadian border and south to the Penn border. Syracuse bb and fb is usually the highest rated program in those local markets when its on tv. At least it was about 12 to 15 years ago. Dont see why that would have changed.

I would not be at all surprised if Syracuse has an "engagement level" in Upstate NY, that is similar to all the other programs in the ACC. Syracuse may be a private school but its not treated like a private in NY. Most folks don't even realize that it is a private. NY State, about 6 years ago, was once willing to give SU $200 million to build a new Dome. How may privates get that kind of treatment from their State?

Altice has already jumped on board for the ACCN in NYC and LI. Spectrum will fall right in line.
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(07-02-2019 09:24 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  ...I can assure you that SU will do its part in getting good revenues in Upstate NY regarding the ACCN.

I cant speak for BC and Pitt. But SU absolutely is THEE program in Upstate NY, an area that has more than 6 million sets of eyeballs and stretches from Albany to Buffalo/Niagara Falls and up north to the Canadian border and south to the Penn border. Syracuse bb and fb is usually the highest rated program in those local markets when its on tv. At least it was about 12 to 15 years ago. Dont see why that would have changed.

I would not be at all surprised if Syracuse has an "engagement level" in Upstate NY, that is similar to all the other programs in the ACC. Syracuse may be a private school but its not treated like a private in NY. Most folks don't even realize that it is a private. NY State, about 6 years ago, was once willing to give SU $200 million to build a new Dome. How may privates get that kind of treatment from their State?

Altice has already jumped on board for the ACCN in NYC and LI. Spectrum will fall right in line.

Coincidentally, I'm working on a blog post for tomorrow morning about ACC TV markets, and my data shows that as of last year NY City is getting the ACC football game even when it's Duke vs. Wake Forest.

It looks like the addition of Syracuse and Pitt are, in fact, delivering most of the states of New York and Pennsylvania, with two exceptions:
(a) When Michigan is on TV, Buffalo still goes with the Wolverines on a fairly consistent basis;
(b) When UConn/Temple was on at the same time as Wake/Duke, Philadelphia got the Owls.

Of course, Connecticut got the Huskies - but the rest of New England, as well as NYC got the ACC game (thank you, BC and Syracuse).

Look for the rest of my analysis to post at midnight tonight...
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50 days to launch of the network...
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(07-02-2019 09:24 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Regarding the " limited appeal of BC, Syracuse and Pitt in their states?" I can assure you that SU will do its part in getting good revenues in Upstate NY regarding the ACCN.

I cant speak for BC and Pitt. But SU absolutely is THEE program in Upstate NY, an area that has more than 6 million sets of eyeballs and stretches from Albany to Buffalo/Niagara Falls and up north to the Canadian border and south to the Penn border. Syracuse bb and fb is usually the highest rated program in those local markets when its on tv. At least it was about 12 to 15 years ago. Dont see why that would have changed.

I would not be at all surprised if Syracuse has an "engagement level" in Upstate NY, that is similar to all the other programs in the ACC. Syracuse may be a private school but its not treated like a private in NY. Most folks don't even realize that it is a private. NY State, about 6 years ago, was once willing to give SU $200 million to build a new Dome. How may privates get that kind of treatment from their State?

Altice has already jumped on board for the ACCN in NYC and LI. Spectrum will fall right in line.

You absolutely nailed it here. Upstate NY, which I will define as all areas of the state excluding the southernmost 12 counties, has a population over 6 million. This is in the same range as the entire states of Arizona, Indiana, Massachusetts, Missouri and Maryland. Within that area, Syracuse has fan support equivalent to that of a flagship state university.

In the NYC area, Syracuse also has a substantial following, particularly in basketball. However, the ACCN's success there will be based on a combination of Syracuse, Duke, UNC and Notre Dame, as well as the fact that NYC loves college hoops generally, and the ACC is arguably the best conference in college basketball.
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ATT Uverse just texted me they would be up and running on August 22nd
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(07-03-2019 04:20 PM)Statefan Wrote:  ATT Uverse just texted me they would be up and running on August 22nd

Really? Good news.

It's been my position all along that the ACCN would launch with near total carriage, but I've been somewhat surprised there hasn't been anyone new added in the last month or so, considering it launches next month.

I still believe they'll get almost total carriage (even the SECN didn't get total carriage...Altice in NY didn't add them until they added the ACCN last year), but my confidence in that is has gone from like 95% to 80%.
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(07-05-2019 08:17 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(07-03-2019 04:20 PM)Statefan Wrote:  ATT Uverse just texted me they would be up and running on August 22nd

Really? Good news.

It's been my position all along that the ACCN would launch with near total carriage, but I've been somewhat surprised there hasn't been anyone new added in the last month or so, considering it launches next month.

I still believe they'll get almost total carriage (even the SECN didn't get total carriage...Altice in NY didn't add them until they added the ACCN last year), but my confidence in that is has gone from like 95% to 80%.

I'm wondering if Swofford will update at the upcoming ACC FB Media Days event. They often like to save some "good news" for his state of the ACC address thing there. We'll see...

(Comcast-Xfinity announcement would be a huge boost, for example)
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(07-05-2019 08:35 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  
(07-05-2019 08:17 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(07-03-2019 04:20 PM)Statefan Wrote:  ATT Uverse just texted me they would be up and running on August 22nd

Really? Good news.

It's been my position all along that the ACCN would launch with near total carriage, but I've been somewhat surprised there hasn't been anyone new added in the last month or so, considering it launches next month.

I still believe they'll get almost total carriage (even the SECN didn't get total carriage...Altice in NY didn't add them until they added the ACCN last year), but my confidence in that is has gone from like 95% to 80%.

I'm wondering if Swofford will update at the upcoming ACC FB Media Days event. They often like to save some "good news" for his state of the ACC address thing there. We'll see...

(Comcast-Xfinity announcement would be a huge boost, for example)

Possible...the ACC does always like to sandbag, so that getting what is merely adequate or appropriate comes off like a coup.

And I don't track other launches THAT closely, there may very well be business decisions that make many of these deals go to the 11th hour. I'm assuming there is most favored nation status in these deals, so whatever the rate is, I suspect it's already pretty much established now that so many deals have been done.

But carriers could certainly be trying to negotiate other concessions from ESPN, contract things about say, what tier ESPN News can go on, or whether they can remove ESPNU from a proposed skinny bundle or something.
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(07-05-2019 10:24 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(07-05-2019 08:35 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  
(07-05-2019 08:17 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(07-03-2019 04:20 PM)Statefan Wrote:  ATT Uverse just texted me they would be up and running on August 22nd

Really? Good news.

It's been my position all along that the ACCN would launch with near total carriage, but I've been somewhat surprised there hasn't been anyone new added in the last month or so, considering it launches next month.

I still believe they'll get almost total carriage (even the SECN didn't get total carriage...Altice in NY didn't add them until they added the ACCN last year), but my confidence in that is has gone from like 95% to 80%.

I'm wondering if Swofford will update at the upcoming ACC FB Media Days event. They often like to save some "good news" for his state of the ACC address thing there. We'll see...

(Comcast-Xfinity announcement would be a huge boost, for example)

Possible...the ACC does always like to sandbag, so that getting what is merely adequate or appropriate comes off like a coup.

And I don't track other launches THAT closely, there may very well be business decisions that make many of these deals go to the 11th hour. I'm assuming there is most favored nation status in these deals, so whatever the rate is, I suspect it's already pretty much established now that so many deals have been done.

But carriers could certainly be trying to negotiate other concessions from ESPN, contract things about say, what tier ESPN News can go on, or whether they can remove ESPNU from a proposed skinny bundle or something.

There are other complications. The ads on the conference networks are split between ESPN and the carriers. There may be disputes about exactly how many ads are sold by ESPN and how many by carriers. I think that sometimes the content providers gets a cut of the carrier ad sales or vice versa. IThe carriers may also want some guarantees from ESPN about what's going to be carried by the conference network. Will there be at least one Notre Dame football game each year on the ACCN? How many Duke basketball games will be shown on the ACCN each year? The carriers worry about this sort of thing because they want the advertising revenues from these games. They may want ratings guarantees or rates that are partially dependent upon ratings.

It's complicated.
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