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RE: Bowl Info: Georgia Southern Appeal to be voted on tonight - chiefsfan - 12-02-2014 09:50 AM

Remember, the rule was created because leagues like the So Con and Big Sky wanted a little bit of punishment for a school that wanted to move up, so there was incentive for some teams to not make the move.

Georgia Southern by appealing is doing what most of our schools would have done in a similar circumstance. They are not the first to appeal, won't be the last. That being said, other Athletic departments have a right to be upset if this waiver was granted.


RE: Bowl Info: Georgia Southern Appeal to be voted on tonight - ASUMountaineer - 12-02-2014 09:54 AM

App State fans be like, "welcome to conference life with GS." 03-lmfao


RE: Bowl Info: Georgia Southern Appeal to be voted on tonight - TheRevSWT - 12-02-2014 09:58 AM

(12-02-2014 09:40 AM)gsu_paintballer Wrote:  The thing is, it doesn't matter what we post on here. It's not going to change the decision. You guys are getting all uppity as if the NCAA is going to be like "Hmmm, we might approve this, let's see what the Sun Belt posters are saying"

I won't speak for the masses, but no... my focus is not on the NCAA ruling (I believe you guys deserve a bowl).

It is the way some of your posters are acting that I reference.


RE: Bowl Info: Georgia Southern Appeal to be voted on tonight - Bobcat87 - 12-02-2014 10:01 AM

(12-02-2014 08:52 AM)6FlagsOverGeorgiaSouthern Wrote:  Knowing the rules coming in is beside the point...the point is whether or not an undefeated champ should be prevented from taking part in post season play because of those rules. Also, that the fact that the rules are/were known is what makes what our AD is doing an ok thing...the rules allow for it. It may not work out, but I'd say Southern is pursuing this whole thing in exactly the right way...by the rules.

Plus, what does knowing rules have to do with a rule being "just" anyway? Folks taking about them putting in time and paying dues....what the hell are y'all even talking about? In terms of "deserving", a 6-6 or 7-5 team deserving something over an undefeated champion in the conference, done with less than others played with? Lmao, it will all fall where it falls, but all this is flat out ridiculous...

Some of y'all sound like a bunch of beggars and whiners.

It would be nice to play in the post season, but Southern is in a great spot right now regardless of this outcome...the top.

If it doesn't work out for Southern, which admittedly is likely, be sure to send a gift basket to the NCAA or something for being able to participate in the consolation bowl.

Actually, It's y'all that sound like the beggers and whiners. You moved up knowing the rule. Now that you've won something, you want to change the rule.
I wonder if so ga will still be "fighting the great NCAA injustice" next year when the rule no longer applies to them? Somehow I doubt it.


RE: Bowl Info: Georgia Southern Appeal to be voted on tonight - TrueBlueAlum - 12-02-2014 10:27 AM

(12-02-2014 10:01 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  I wonder if so ga will still be "fighting the great NCAA injustice" next year when the rule no longer applies to them? Somehow I doubt it.

I wonder if all the posters who said, "I agree it's a stupid rule, but you have to pay your dues" are going to fight it with us when it doesn't directly effect their own bowl circumstances? Somehow I doubt it. 07-coffee3

You'll have to forgive me but WE are NOT the only selfish party in this scenario. There is a reason that the SBC teams who are NOT bowl eligible are significantly less vocal about this situation.


RE: Bowl Info: Georgia Southern Appeal to be voted on tonight - NCeagle - 12-02-2014 10:29 AM

our AD actually said in an interview that he will continue to push for the NCAA to change this rule, even if we are not granted a waiver.


Bowl Info: Georgia Southern Appeal to be voted on tonight - 6FlagsOverGeorgiaSouthern - 12-02-2014 10:30 AM

(12-02-2014 09:33 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(12-02-2014 08:52 AM)6FlagsOverGeorgiaSouthern Wrote:  Some of y'all sound like a bunch of beggars and whiners.

But... Georgia Southern is the one begging and whining to have rules changed... Just for them.

By your own admission, it's not about the transition part. It's that you are conference champion and therefore feel entitled to the bowl.

(Note: I am obviously not speaking about the university's stance, or the majority of the Georgia Southern fanbase)

See, that's what isn't correct, at least from my perspective. I don't see it at all that anyone is asking to change the rules "just for us". As far as I'm concerned, it should be changed for ANYONE that may happen to be in this situation, now or in the future. Yes, currently, it applies to Georgia Southern, but a team not only winning the conference, but going undefeated in a conference, especially when the odds are clearly stacked against said team, should not have to just sit out. If it isn't corrected in any way by the actions of Southern, I hope our AD goes through with what he stated by continuing to work with the NCAA so that other deserving teams down the line do not have to meet these same consequences.

No whining here, just trying to battle an unjust rule that makes no sense. The games have been played, the results are in. Where is the room for politics in this situation, in an ideal scenario? Folks claiming that this is all about Georgia Southern, as if it is some kind if selfish action, have your heads in the sand.


RE: Bowl Info: Georgia Southern Appeal to be voted on tonight - bokobobcat1919 - 12-02-2014 10:31 AM

(12-02-2014 10:27 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  I wonder if all the posters who said, "I agree it's a stupid rule, but you have to pay your dues" are going to fight it with us when it doesn't directly effect their own bowl circumstances? Somehow I doubt it. 07-coffee3

You'll have to forgive me but WE are NOT the only selfish party in this scenario. There is a reason that the SBC teams who are NOT bowl eligible are significantly less vocal about this situation.

Yeah... because their seasons are over and they aren't posting as much about anything.

You are wrong though. I see a TON of Louisiana fans saying this same thing. Even if by some miracle Georgia Southern got a waiver, there is no way the New Orleans Bowl would pick the Eagles over the Cajuns... anyhow. .

so no, it doesn't effect their bowl circumstances at all. stAte is likely bowling either way as well.


RE: Bowl Info: Georgia Southern Appeal to be voted on tonight - bokobobcat1919 - 12-02-2014 10:34 AM

(12-02-2014 09:54 AM)ASUMountaineer Wrote:  App State fans be like, "welcome to conference life with GS." 03-lmfao

thanks for the warning. 03-tired


RE: Bowl Info: Georgia Southern Appeal to be voted on tonight - TheRevSWT - 12-02-2014 10:34 AM

(12-02-2014 10:27 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  
(12-02-2014 10:01 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  I wonder if so ga will still be "fighting the great NCAA injustice" next year when the rule no longer applies to them? Somehow I doubt it.

I wonder if all the posters who said, "I agree it's a stupid rule, but you have to pay your dues" are going to fight it with us when it doesn't directly effect their own bowl circumstances? Somehow I doubt it. 07-coffee3

You'll have to forgive me but WE are NOT the only selfish party in this scenario. There is a reason that the SBC teams who are NOT bowl eligible are significantly less vocal about this situation.

I Stand by my assertion that your record deserves to go to a bowl over us. Would I be let down? You bet. But we had our shot to knock you guys off (and USA, if they get in over us), and didn't do it.


RE: Bowl Info: Georgia Southern Appeal to be voted on tonight - Bobcat87 - 12-02-2014 10:37 AM

(12-02-2014 10:34 AM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote:  
(12-02-2014 09:54 AM)ASUMountaineer Wrote:  App State fans be like, "welcome to conference life with GS." 03-lmfao

thanks for the warning. 03-tired

. . albeit a little late . . ..


Bowl Info: Georgia Southern Appeal to be voted on tonight - 6FlagsOverGeorgiaSouthern - 12-02-2014 10:40 AM

(12-02-2014 09:22 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  
(12-02-2014 08:52 AM)6FlagsOverGeorgiaSouthern Wrote:  Knowing the rules coming in is beside the point...the point is whether or not an undefeated champ should be prevented from taking part in post season play because of those rules. Also, that the fact that the rules are/were known is what makes what our AD is doing an ok thing...the rules allow for it. It may not work out, but I'd say Southern is pursuing this whole thing in exactly the right way...by the rules.

Plus, what does knowing rules have to do with a rule being "just" anyway? Folks taking about them putting in time and paying dues....what the hell are y'all even talking about? In terms of "deserving", a 6-6 or 7-5 team deserving something over an undefeated champion in the conference, done with less than others played with? Lmao, it will all fall where it falls, but all this is flat out ridiculous...

Some of y'all sound like a bunch of beggars and whiners.

It would be nice to play in the post season, but Southern is in a great spot right now regardless of this outcome...the top.

If it doesn't work out for Southern, which admittedly is likely, be sure to send a gift basket to the NCAA or something for being able to participate in the consolation bowl.

Note to other GS fans and posters. The bolded portion of the quoted post is egregiously condescending and totally unnecessary.

Yes, you are conference champions. Yes you are doing what you should do in the way you should do it to try and get a rules waiver.

BUT: Both USA and TxSt have a dog in the fight. They have both earned [within the rules] the right to be considered for a bowl game. Of course their fans are going to be mildly irritated at the delay in knowing whether they are going bowling. Note that no one here has said that GaSo should not appeal; only that the appeal slows down the process.

Note to 6 Flags: USA or TxSt will be playing in the same 'consolation bowl' that GaSo would play in provided it won its waiver. New Orleans is taken.

And your point? It isn't a property of the bowl itself that I refer to as the "consolation" bowl. It is the fact that a bowl(any of them, New Orleans or otherwise) played by a conference team that otherwise would have been that of the champion, but isn't because of some rule by the NCAA, makes one of those bowls (the one that would have been occupied by Southern in some other year, whichever it may be) a consolation bowl...by definition.

Which is why I said to thank the NCAA. All teams in the conference with a 6-6 record or better are in the fight and have earned consideration. I'm not disputing that, I take nothin away from the accomplishments of other teams in the conference. But in this particular season, the records speak for themselves. Hence the appeal process.


RE: Bowl Info: Georgia Southern Appeal to be voted on tonight - Saint3333 - 12-02-2014 10:41 AM

(12-02-2014 08:23 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(12-02-2014 08:21 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  
(12-01-2014 11:01 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(12-01-2014 10:54 PM)appsfan Wrote:  
(12-01-2014 10:35 PM)epiccajun Wrote:  Is that accurate? If so that is hilarious. SoGa acts like they have owned App State for the last 40 years during their reign of excellence and dominance.

I'm happy to have App State as a conference member, Southern Ga ...... not so much.

PS - I am making the trip to Boone next year - will fly into Charlotte to visit a friend and Cajun Alum then the game. Pretty excited about it!

App leads the series 16-13-1 (including this year's loss) and have won 7 of the last 10. Be sure to reach out to us once next the dates for next year is set. We will take care of you when it is time to tailgate.

Props to App for dominating those pre WWII games just before our program shut down for 40 years.

Are you always this uninformed?

2-1-1 pre WWII

Since 1987 App has a two game lead and 7-3 in the last ten. Much like America we kicked a$$ before and after WWII.

But much like America post WWII, you've focused more on the battles and we've focused on the war.

Living in the 80's is fun, you must love the Goldbergs.


Re: RE: Bowl Info: Georgia Southern Appeal to be voted on tonight - ark30inf - 12-02-2014 10:42 AM

(12-02-2014 10:27 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  
(12-02-2014 10:01 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  I wonder if so ga will still be "fighting the great NCAA injustice" next year when the rule no longer applies to them? Somehow I doubt it.

I wonder if all the posters who said, "I agree it's a stupid rule, but you have to pay your dues" are going to fight it with us when it doesn't directly effect their own bowl circumstances? Somehow I doubt it. 07-coffee3

You'll have to forgive me but WE are NOT the only selfish party in this scenario. There is a reason that the SBC teams who are NOT bowl eligible are significantly less vocal about this situation.
Not everyone is entirely self-serving just because they don't agree with you...though it may be comforting to think so.

We live in an age of executive orders, waivers, appeals, amnesties, polls, committees, extensions, and deferments abd some people prefer a more consistently rule-based system.


RE: Bowl Info: Georgia Southern Appeal to be voted on tonight - JoeJag - 12-02-2014 10:47 AM

(12-02-2014 10:41 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  
(12-02-2014 08:23 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(12-02-2014 08:21 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  
(12-01-2014 11:01 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(12-01-2014 10:54 PM)appsfan Wrote:  App leads the series 16-13-1 (including this year's loss) and have won 7 of the last 10. Be sure to reach out to us once next the dates for next year is set. We will take care of you when it is time to tailgate.

Props to App for dominating those pre WWII games just before our program shut down for 40 years.

Are you always this uninformed?

2-1-1 pre WWII

Since 1987 App has a two game lead and 7-3 in the last ten. Much like America we kicked a$$ before and after WWII.

But much like America post WWII, you've focused more on the battles and we've focused on the war.

Living in the 80's is fun, you must love the Goldbergs.

I love Mama Goldberg's subs.02-13-banana


RE: Bowl Info: Georgia Southern Appeal to be voted on tonight - sixtoes9134 - 12-02-2014 10:48 AM

(12-02-2014 10:34 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(12-02-2014 10:27 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  
(12-02-2014 10:01 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  I wonder if so ga will still be "fighting the great NCAA injustice" next year when the rule no longer applies to them? Somehow I doubt it.

I wonder if all the posters who said, "I agree it's a stupid rule, but you have to pay your dues" are going to fight it with us when it doesn't directly effect their own bowl circumstances? Somehow I doubt it. 07-coffee3

You'll have to forgive me but WE are NOT the only selfish party in this scenario. There is a reason that the SBC teams who are NOT bowl eligible are significantly less vocal about this situation.

I Stand by my assertion that your record deserves to go to a bowl over us. Would I be let down? You bet. But we had our shot to knock you guys off (and USA, if they get in over us), and didn't do it.

The reasons I think the rule is stupid are these:

1. The hardest part about moving FBS anyway is getting the invite in the first place. It's not like teams can just move whenever they feel like it. So, to waive it, or eliminate it isn't really a big deal IMHO.
2. When a transition team is still FCS (i.e. in its final year) it totally makes sense to not allow them to play in the playoffs, because there's a definite recruiting advantage that comes into play - it's really the opposite on the 2nd year of the transition, because in theory a school like us or GS, may not even be at a full 85 scholarships - so we are inherently at a disadvantage. If we pulled off the seemingly unlikely by getting to the mythical 6 wins - that should be considered.

And, as much as I hate to admit it because GS won the conference they have a strong(er) argument.

That being said, if you cannot win your conference or go to playoffs when FCS, you should not be able to win conference in first year of FBS. Thus, Georgia Southern really shouldn't be crowned conf. champions, but since they are, they should go.

As far as App, I think we should get the nod over any 6-7 team........


RE: Bowl Info: Georgia Southern Appeal to be voted on tonight - TheRevSWT - 12-02-2014 10:49 AM

(12-02-2014 10:30 AM)6FlagsOverGeorgiaSouthern Wrote:  See, that's what isn't correct, at least from my perspective. I don't see it at all that anyone is asking to change the rules "just for us". As far as I'm concerned, it should be changed for ANYONE that may happen to be in this situation, now or in the future. Yes, currently, it applies to Georgia Southern, but a team not only winning the conference, but going undefeated in a conference, especially when the odds are clearly stacked against said team, should not have to just sit out. If it isn't corrected in any way by the actions of Southern, I hope our AD goes through with what he stated by continuing to work with the NCAA so that other deserving teams down the line do not have to meet these same consequences.

No, you are trying to change a rule for anyone, but only if it applies to you.

Keep in mind, I am not talking about your AD or your university. I applaud them for doing it for the fans and the team. But if you (and I use the global you here) sit silent for what? 20 years since the rule was put in place, and then sit silent after the fact? You don't really care if the rule is changed for others, you want it changed for you.

Doesn't mean the rule is right or wrong, it just means you only care about it being changed for you.


RE: Bowl Info: Georgia Southern Appeal to be voted on tonight - JoeJag - 12-02-2014 10:54 AM

(12-02-2014 09:50 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Remember, the rule was created because leagues like the So Con and Big Sky wanted a little bit of punishment for a school that wanted to move up, so there was incentive for some teams to not make the move.

Georgia Southern by appealing is doing what most of our schools would have done in a similar circumstance. They are not the first to appeal, won't be the last. That being said, other Athletic departments have a right to be upset if this waiver was granted.

As I've already stated, Ga. Southern deserves to be in a bowl, but we all know what the rules are. If they change the rules for anyone, then throw the rule out. Being a Jag fan, we're holding by a thread that our team will be invited. You folks have had a great season and have more than proved you belong, but rules are rules.


RE: Bowl Info: Georgia Southern Appeal to be voted on tonight - slycat - 12-02-2014 10:56 AM

So can we just get to the decision already? The only way this get worse is if we don't get an invite and then have to wait until the 7th to see if we get an invite to another bowl that is waiting on Saturday's games.


Bowl Info: Georgia Southern Appeal to be voted on tonight - 6FlagsOverGeorgiaSouthern - 12-02-2014 10:57 AM

(12-02-2014 10:49 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(12-02-2014 10:30 AM)6FlagsOverGeorgiaSouthern Wrote:  See, that's what isn't correct, at least from my perspective. I don't see it at all that anyone is asking to change the rules "just for us". As far as I'm concerned, it should be changed for ANYONE that may happen to be in this situation, now or in the future. Yes, currently, it applies to Georgia Southern, but a team not only winning the conference, but going undefeated in a conference, especially when the odds are clearly stacked against said team, should not have to just sit out. If it isn't corrected in any way by the actions of Southern, I hope our AD goes through with what he stated by continuing to work with the NCAA so that other deserving teams down the line do not have to meet these same consequences.

No, you are trying to change a rule for anyone, but only if it applies to you.

Keep in mind, I am not talking about your AD or your university. I applaud them for doing it for the fans and the team. But if you (and I use the global you here) sit silent for what? 20 years since the rule was put in place, and then sit silent after the fact? You don't really care if the rule is changed for others, you want it changed for you.

Doesn't mean the rule is right or wrong, it just means you only care about it being changed for you.

Sit silent? Hell, I didn't even know about the rule until Southern announced a move to FBS. I know you said you are using a "global you", but I'm sure I am not the only one. Fwiw, I've thought it was unjust since I heard about it, just after the move. The FCS/first year portion I could understand, but not this second part.