Taken from Rick Atkinson's write-up on CUSA-Fans.com:

Quote:Tulsa Tarnished

Front-row fans at Tulsa are extremely close to the field, perhaps four feet from players in the bench areas. Heckling from a handful of young white Tulsa fans turned ugly late in the game when racial slurs were directed at specific SMU players and staff.

The situation got so bad in the fourth quarter that Jones asked a Tulsa policeman on the sidelines for assistance. “There was some stuff behind the bench that I did think was going to get out of hand before long,” Jones said. “I just told him to try to get those guys to either get out of there or I could see something happen.”

The cop stood near the offending fans for a time but soon moved on. Later, the racial comments returned in a big way. Police were called over again and, as the game ended, one miscreant was finally escorted from the stadium.

Please tell me that this isn't true and Atkinson got the story wrong. I thought that this world was past this sort of stuff.

June should have just sent the Hawaii mascot over there then problem would be solved. Then again it might be a riot but who cares its Tulsuck.

I did see someone being escorted away by the police in that area after the game. Pretty crappy if thats why. Lets be honest though, how can you be a football fan and be racist, Im pretty sure its rare.

rare- but not shocking considering it was a tulsa fan... ugh j/k WHEN WILL PEOPLE GET THE UNDERSTANDING WE ARE ALL HUMAN-SAPIENS??? not whites,blacks, and every color in between...

I hope that specific incident is not true, because that would be terrible. However, Tulsa fans are pretty rowdy, in fact they even booed injured East Carolina players in the CUSA Championship game. And to top it off there were even Tulsa fans on this board talking about the East Carolina faked injuries in that game as a part of some kind of strategy to prevent that high powered Tulsa offense from throwing several more interceptions.

The security at Tulsa is not nearly as tight as what I observe at Okla State games. This lack of security, especially behind the visiting team, is a mistake that must be rectified. This is a season ticket area and it is easy to rectify be revoking tickets. It should be announced over the public address system that rudeness annd vulgarity will not be tolerated. Next home game, Tulsa better have security posted behind the visitor's area, enough security people to let the hecklers know that this behavior won't be tolerated. it wouldn't hurt, either, if the Tulsa World ran an article on it to embarass the hecklers and not let them get away with their anonyminity.

At Okla State, it was the students that got rowdy. But the Tulsa student section is not behind the visitors bench so it wasn't the students.

(11-02-2009 11:37 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  I thought that this world was past this sort of stuff.

Don't know many $EC fans, do you?

Wait. The student section sits less than 10 feet away from the opposing team? If so, that is against CUSA policy. They prohibit that. ECU had to put a barrier of young grads between the students and opposing team to comply.

(11-03-2009 12:16 AM)shyminer Wrote:  rare- but not shocking considering it was a tulsa fan... ugh j/k WHEN WILL PEOPLE GET THE UNDERSTANDING WE ARE ALL HUMAN-SAPIENS??? not whites,blacks, and every color in between...

lol especially when most Americans are MUTS anyways.

Many American's don't know their own geneology.

I'm pretty sure these rednecks didn't either

If they ever found out they had cherokee blood in them, they might go overdose on Meth as soon as they got back to their trailor home 10 miles north of Tulsa

(11-02-2009 11:37 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  I thought that this world was past this sort of stuff.

Me too...I thought we all kept our racism behind closed doors and gated subdivisions nowadays, not right out in the open!

Racism is definitely alive, just much more subtle than it used to be.

(11-03-2009 09:01 AM)The Original Timmy Chan Wrote:  

(11-02-2009 11:37 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  I thought that this world was past this sort of stuff.

Me too...I thought we all kept our racism behind closed doors and gated subdivisions nowadays, not right out in the open!

Or in your local Sheila Jackson Lee rally or 3rd Ward ACORNS meeting

If they do that against Houston...Someone might get shanked.

Those definitely aren't students as the student section is 20 yards to the south, well outside of the bench area. Those people were dealt with it sounds like. I didn't see the incident from where I sit but I'm sure the police report has made it's way to the administration and they won't be sitting there any longer.

(11-03-2009 08:40 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-02-2009 11:37 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  I thought that this world was past this sort of stuff.

Don't know many $EC fans, do you?

SEC fans, What about SEC ADs?! Auburn is a pretty notable one. Behind closed doors racism is all over college football. Charlie Strong not only believes he isn't a head coach because he is black but because he is married to a white woman. Those are some pretty racist claims if even they are not true. If you don't think there is racism in college football then you are just not looking at the whole landscape of things. Sure the players are black but outside of that there are a handful of black coaches and athletic directors.

The student section is definitely further down than the visitors bench, however some of the rowdiest fans choose that area for their season tickets, which is nothing the university can prevent.

(11-03-2009 08:49 AM)PGPirate Wrote:  Wait. The student section sits less than 10 feet away from the opposing team? If so, that is against CUSA policy. They prohibit that. ECU had to put a barrier of young grads between the students and opposing team to comply.

Like most schools, TU has pushed the student section towards the end zone (southeast corner of stadium) and sold season tickets in the prime middle of the field area.

Quote: “There was some stuff behind the bench that I did think was going to get out of hand before long,” Jones said. “I just told him to try to get those guys to either get out of there or I could see something happen.”

The ex-Hawaii coach is whining about fan behavior? That's rich!

CFKnight Wrote:Charlie Strong not only believes he isn't a head coach because he is black but because he is married to a white woman.

That might be the reason that he's not a head coach in the SEC, but it won't stop him from getting a job anywhere else. Of course, if that is the way he feels and has said so publicly, some ADs might shy away from him if he's that quick to play the race card.

(11-03-2009 10:17 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

CFKnight Wrote:Charlie Strong not only believes he isn't a head coach because he is black but because he is married to a white woman.

That might be the reason that he's not a head coach in the SEC, but it won't stop him from getting a job anywhere else. Of course, if that is the way he feels and has said so publicly, some ADs might shy away from him if he's that quick to play the race card.

Cool, blame the coach.

You know, I don't think that my generation has the best world-view on a lot of issues, but I do think that my generation is a lot further than the other generations as far as accepting people of other races.

But this is the fan that got taken away - looks like a young person, not someone from the dark days of Jim Crow.

(11-03-2009 10:20 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 10:17 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

CFKnight Wrote:Charlie Strong not only believes he isn't a head coach because he is black but because he is married to a white woman.

That might be the reason that he's not a head coach in the SEC, but it won't stop him from getting a job anywhere else. Of course, if that is the way he feels and has said so publicly, some ADs might shy away from him if he's that quick to play the race card.

Cool, blame the coach.

There are plenty of qualified black coaches out there that have been passed over for head coaching jobs that haven't come out and publicly blamed it on racism. Tyrone Nix comes to mind. To do so just looks petty.

This is the first I've heard about this and that's bad if it happened. No idea who that guy is, but I will apologize as much as I can -- I was sitting on the other side watching my team get it's butt whooped by a better team.

The students are no longer on the field, per league rules (they are about 15-20 rows up, behind a section wall). The band is on the field. We seem to be one of the few schools in the league that follows that policy. Back in the day when our team was losing every single game, the frat boys were pretty wild and sat right above the players. But, the students have been moved up for about five years now.

UTEP fans comically blow things out of proportion (taco references=/=racism) and I'm sick of ECU whining about our fans booing when their players cheated and faked injuries.

But back to the point, I have no idea what exactly happened here, but I hope that guy is banned from our games forever and I hope we can be better hosts. I've seen a few crazies get thrown out over the years -- one for throwing a drink at a security guard and one for pissing off a highway patrol officer when OU came to town (that one was actually pretty weak). No excuses for that behavior in this day and age. I think over the last decade, people have become more insensitive and nasty in public. A lot of the sporting events I attend these days can get derailed by nasty people. And that's not good for anyone.

(11-03-2009 11:02 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  But this is the fan that got taken away...

Not exactly the stereotypical racist image. I think he may have some other issues to work through.

(11-03-2009 11:17 AM)The Big Kielbasa Wrote:  This is the first I've heard about this and that's bad if it happened. No idea who that guy is, but I will apologize as much as I can -- I was sitting on the other side watching my team get it's butt whooped by a better team.

The students are no longer on the field, per league rules (they are about 15-20 rows up, behind a section wall). The band is on the field. We seem to be one of the few schools in the league that follows that policy. Back in the day when our team was losing every single game, the frat boys were pretty wild and sat right above the players. But, the students have been moved up for about five years now.

UTEP fans comically blow things out of proportion (taco references=/=racism) and I'm sick of ECU whining about our fans booing when their players cheated and faked injuries.

But back to the point, I have no idea what exactly happened here, but I hope that guy is banned from our games forever and I hope we can be better hosts. I've seen a few crazies get thrown out over the years -- one for throwing a drink at a security guard and one for pissing off a highway patrol officer when OU came to town (that one was actually pretty weak). No excuses for that behavior in this day and age. I think over the last decade, people have become more insensitive and nasty in public. A lot of the sporting events I attend these days can get derailed by nasty people. And that's not good for anyone.

I'm not using it to state that Tulsa fans are any worse than other fans - I just was in disbelief that this happened.

(11-03-2009 11:09 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 10:20 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 10:17 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

CFKnight Wrote:Charlie Strong not only believes he isn't a head coach because he is black but because he is married to a white woman.

That might be the reason that he's not a head coach in the SEC, but it won't stop him from getting a job anywhere else. Of course, if that is the way he feels and has said so publicly, some ADs might shy away from him if he's that quick to play the race card.

Cool, blame the coach.

There are plenty of qualified black coaches out there that have been passed over for head coaching jobs that haven't come out and publicly blamed it on racism. Tyrone Nix comes to mind. To do so just looks petty.

Really? That's your take? "Yeah there's subtle racism and backroom prejudice in hiring, but you don't hear X complainin' about it"?

Because if there's any way to combat injustice, it's keeping your mouth shut about them. That shelter you live in must be real pillowy, and with easy access to cookies.

(11-03-2009 02:32 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  The security at Tulsa is not nearly as tight as what I observe at Okla State games. This lack of security, especially behind the visiting team, is a mistake that must be rectified. This is a season ticket area and it is easy to rectify be revoking tickets. It should be announced over the public address system that rudeness annd vulgarity will not be tolerated. Next home game, Tulsa better have security posted behind the visitor's area, enough security people to let the hecklers know that this behavior won't be tolerated. it wouldn't hurt, either, if the Tulsa World ran an article on it to embarass the hecklers and not let them get away with their anonyminity.

At Okla State, it was the students that got rowdy. But the Tulsa student section is not behind the visitors bench so it wasn't the students.

Have you been to a game at the new stadium? There is a PA address from Upham before every game about how fans are supposed to conduct themselves. I'm not sure it's a security issue at all -- no one got hurt. Sounds like these guys were out of line and were dealt with, i.e. the security did its job. Ban the miscreants, but also please inform yourself before you post.

(11-02-2009 11:37 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  Taken from Rick Atkinson's write-up on CUSA-Fans.com:

Quote:Tulsa Tarnished

Front-row fans at Tulsa are extremely close to the field, perhaps four feet from players in the bench areas. Heckling from a handful of young white Tulsa fans turned ugly late in the game when racial slurs were directed at specific SMU players and staff.

The situation got so bad in the fourth quarter that Jones asked a Tulsa policeman on the sidelines for assistance. “There was some stuff behind the bench that I did think was going to get out of hand before long,” Jones said. “I just told him to try to get those guys to either get out of there or I could see something happen.”

The cop stood near the offending fans for a time but soon moved on. Later, the racial comments returned in a big way. Police were called over again and, as the game ended, one miscreant was finally escorted from the stadium.

Please tell me that this isn't true and Atkinson got the story wrong. I thought that this world was past this sort of stuff.

Do they serve alcohol in Tulsa's stadium?

No alcohol is served in the stadium, but I'm pretty certain that these guys had a few beforehand.

(11-03-2009 11:19 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 11:17 AM)The Big Kielbasa Wrote:  This is the first I've heard about this and that's bad if it happened. No idea who that guy is, but I will apologize as much as I can -- I was sitting on the other side watching my team get it's butt whooped by a better team.

The students are no longer on the field, per league rules (they are about 15-20 rows up, behind a section wall). The band is on the field. We seem to be one of the few schools in the league that follows that policy. Back in the day when our team was losing every single game, the frat boys were pretty wild and sat right above the players. But, the students have been moved up for about five years now.

UTEP fans comically blow things out of proportion (taco references=/=racism) and I'm sick of ECU whining about our fans booing when their players cheated and faked injuries.

But back to the point, I have no idea what exactly happened here, but I hope that guy is banned from our games forever and I hope we can be better hosts. I've seen a few crazies get thrown out over the years -- one for throwing a drink at a security guard and one for pissing off a highway patrol officer when OU came to town (that one was actually pretty weak). No excuses for that behavior in this day and age. I think over the last decade, people have become more insensitive and nasty in public. A lot of the sporting events I attend these days can get derailed by nasty people. And that's not good for anyone.

I'm not using it to state that Tulsa fans are any worse than other fans - I just was in disbelief that this happened.

Fair point and I wasn't just responding to you, though I care more about what you think than others on here. That shouldn't have happened and it really bugs me we have anyone like that at games, though in fairness, I know better and have read between the lines on some comments I've heard over the years. I think it's a shame when anyone ruins the experience for a visitor -- having some fun is one thing (my group got into it with Antonio Anderson in Memphis last year, but it was all on the up and up) -- but there is a line. It just bugs me more when it's people wearing my school colors.

That said, I've seen this stuff a lot of places. New Mexico was pretty nasty when I visited this year. There was a guy in Memphis in the C-USA tourney that I'd like to meet again one day. A couple of OU fans were pretty rude this year. It sounds to me like it was dealt with, though it shouldn't have happened. That said, I don't write a blog entry every time something like this happens. It's not news.

(11-03-2009 11:27 AM)Clarence Iba Wrote:  No alcohol is served in the stadium, but I'm pretty certain that these guys had a few beforehand.

Or at the half. TU has a pretty liberal stadium re-entry policy. A lot of the prime tailgate spots are within 50 yards of where I'm guessing that guy sat. I think I went to one game this year where beer vendors were even set up outside the stadium at the half -- not all of them, but maybe a couple.

(11-03-2009 11:28 AM)The Big Kielbasa Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 11:19 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 11:17 AM)The Big Kielbasa Wrote:  This is the first I've heard about this and that's bad if it happened. No idea who that guy is, but I will apologize as much as I can -- I was sitting on the other side watching my team get it's butt whooped by a better team.

The students are no longer on the field, per league rules (they are about 15-20 rows up, behind a section wall). The band is on the field. We seem to be one of the few schools in the league that follows that policy. Back in the day when our team was losing every single game, the frat boys were pretty wild and sat right above the players. But, the students have been moved up for about five years now.

UTEP fans comically blow things out of proportion (taco references=/=racism) and I'm sick of ECU whining about our fans booing when their players cheated and faked injuries.

But back to the point, I have no idea what exactly happened here, but I hope that guy is banned from our games forever and I hope we can be better hosts. I've seen a few crazies get thrown out over the years -- one for throwing a drink at a security guard and one for pissing off a highway patrol officer when OU came to town (that one was actually pretty weak). No excuses for that behavior in this day and age. I think over the last decade, people have become more insensitive and nasty in public. A lot of the sporting events I attend these days can get derailed by nasty people. And that's not good for anyone.

I'm not using it to state that Tulsa fans are any worse than other fans - I just was in disbelief that this happened.

Fair point and I wasn't just responding to you, though I care more about what you think than others on here. That shouldn't have happened and it really bugs me we have anyone like that at games, though in fairness, I know better and have read between the lines on some comments I've heard over the years. I think it's a shame when anyone ruins the experience for a visitor -- having some fun is one thing (my group got into it with Antonio Anderson in Memphis last year, but it was all on the up and up) -- but there is a line. It just bugs me more when it's people wearing my school colors.

That said, I've seen this stuff a lot of places. New Mexico was pretty nasty when I visited this year. There was a guy in Memphis in the C-USA tourney that I'd like to meet again one day. A couple of OU fans were pretty rude this year. It sounds to me like it was dealt with, though it shouldn't have happened. That said, I don't write a blog entry every time something like this happens. It's not news.

The reason why I posted it is because I thought "there's no way that happened." I don't know why Rick Atkinson chose to write about it, but if it's true, and it seems that it is, it's a sad commentary on our society, especially because it looks like the fan who did it was pretty young. I was counting on this generation to be the one that finally stomps out racism from mainstream society; I suppose I'll move on to hoping that the next generation is the one.

(11-03-2009 11:02 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  You know, I don't think that my generation has the best world-view on a lot of issues, but I do think that my generation is a lot further than the other generations as far as accepting people of other races.

But this is the fan that got taken away - looks like a young person, not someone from the dark days of Jim Crow.

That guy might have the influence of alcohol in his system, from the looks of it.

Yeah, it's a shame. Racism is terrible. That said, I think a lot of the rest of the world is more racist than we are here. I'm afraid it will be around a long time in some form; similarly, there will always be assholes, like this guy.

(11-03-2009 11:09 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 10:20 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 10:17 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

CFKnight Wrote:Charlie Strong not only believes he isn't a head coach because he is black but because he is married to a white woman.

That might be the reason that he's not a head coach in the SEC, but it won't stop him from getting a job anywhere else. Of course, if that is the way he feels and has said so publicly, some ADs might shy away from him if he's that quick to play the race card.

Cool, blame the coach.

There are plenty of qualified black coaches out there that have been passed over for head coaching jobs that haven't come out and publicly blamed it on racism. Tyrone Nix comes to mind. To do so just looks petty.

Nix hasn't gotten the job because he hasn't proven himself as a good DC. He's good with inheriting talent, but he has yet to be successful at sustaining it.

(11-03-2009 11:59 AM)southernmiss4ever Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 11:02 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  You know, I don't think that my generation has the best world-view on a lot of issues, but I do think that my generation is a lot further than the other generations as far as accepting people of other races.

But this is the fan that got taken away - looks like a young person, not someone from the dark days of Jim Crow.

That guy might have the influence of alcohol in his system, from the looks of it.

That, or there was an emo show at Cain's that night and he was getting ready to cry.

(11-03-2009 10:20 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 10:17 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

CFKnight Wrote:Charlie Strong not only believes he isn't a head coach because he is black but because he is married to a white woman.

That might be the reason that he's not a head coach in the SEC, but it won't stop him from getting a job anywhere else. Of course, if that is the way he feels and has said so publicly, some ADs might shy away from him if he's that quick to play the race card.

Cool, blame the coach.

Sumlin has a white wife

Fans that sit behind opposing teams and heckle opposing players rather than cheer their own team are gay. What a stupid tradition. I bet they don't know much about football-don't understand the intricacies of how you get a first down-so they heckle instead.

(11-03-2009 11:50 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  I was counting on this generation to be the one that finally stomps out racism from mainstream society; I suppose I'll move on to hoping that the next generation is the one.

That's a noble thought...but sadly, I believe you can stop counting. As long as there are races in mainstream society, there will be racism in mainstream society. That's just a simple fact. I'm not saying its right, I'm just sayin.

(11-03-2009 12:04 PM)ShockerBob Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 10:20 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 10:17 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

CFKnight Wrote:Charlie Strong not only believes he isn't a head coach because he is black but because he is married to a white woman.

That might be the reason that he's not a head coach in the SEC, but it won't stop him from getting a job anywhere else. Of course, if that is the way he feels and has said so publicly, some ADs might shy away from him if he's that quick to play the race card.

Cool, blame the coach.

Sumlin has a white wife

That's an H-Town thang.

(11-03-2009 11:02 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  You know, I don't think that my generation has the best world-view on a lot of issues, but I do think that my generation is a lot further than the other generations as far as accepting people of other races.

But this is the fan that got taken away - looks like a young person, not someone from the dark days of Jim Crow.

He looks like a hooligan from A Clockwork Orange. Is he wearing eyeliner?

Alcohol is not an excuse. If you can't imbibe and act like a human, don't drink.

(11-03-2009 11:02 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

Two things:

1) is that really a Children's Miracle Network shirt he has on?

and

2) he should purchase a better quality of no-run mascara next time


What a putz. Unfortunately, you can visit any one of our fine, up-standing educational institutions on any given game-day, and see one just like him being escorted out. We've got our share of numb nuts, too. Always have, always will. Tickets don't always come with a helping of "class", I'm afraid.

Nah that's man-scara outlined with guyliner

(11-03-2009 12:30 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Nah that's man-scara outlined with guyliner

Really....

Yeah, I saw it once in USMbackers makeup kit.

(11-03-2009 12:32 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Yeah, I saw it once in USMbackers makeup kit.

Was that before or after y'all were done?

(11-03-2009 11:02 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  You know, I don't think that my generation has the best world-view on a lot of issues, but I do think that my generation is a lot further than the other generations as far as accepting people of other races.

But this is the fan that got taken away - looks like a young person, not someone from the dark days of Jim Crow.

Is he wearing makeup and eye shadow?

(11-03-2009 12:32 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Yeah, I saw it once in USMbackers makeup kit.

I always knew there was something funny about that dude.

If this really is true, hopefully there won't be an incident this Saturday when Houston and their awesome black coach come to visit.

(11-03-2009 11:09 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 10:20 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 10:17 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

CFKnight Wrote:Charlie Strong not only believes he isn't a head coach because he is black but because he is married to a white woman.

That might be the reason that he's not a head coach in the SEC, but it won't stop him from getting a job anywhere else. Of course, if that is the way he feels and has said so publicly, some ADs might shy away from him if he's that quick to play the race card.

Cool, blame the coach.

There are plenty of qualified black coaches out there that have been passed over for head coaching jobs that haven't come out and publicly blamed it on racism. Tyrone Nix comes to mind. To do so just looks petty.

Isn't there a NCAA rule that you must interview 1 coach of a different ethnicity. If that is not a sign of the times I don't know what is. Orlando just this year apologized for what they did to Buffalo way back when.

Nah. We got the shanks we used to rob the 7-11's with us.

Nobody will F with us.