Won 3 in a row, but somewhat unimpressed with the teams they beat. Of course, they are probably looking at our schedule saying the same thing. Unless this is that breakout game we are all wishing on, I think Ohio takes it. Their Convo is a hard place to come out of with a W.

This will be the first time some players will hear personal attacks from the courtside fans. Both Henry-Ala and Evans will hear orchastrated chants/comments from the OU student body. And Sing too, although he got an earfull last year. It will be interesting to see what reaction they have, if any.

OU also has a first year coach and with the history of Geno playing there and being one of the most popular players in history, OU has had this game circled on their calendars for months.

This team is clearly not ready for conference play. that being said they are improving in how they play. The main focus now should be to try and get this team to peak in March and win the tourny, because its looking like we are still going to see some peaks and valleys the rest of the way.

I would like to see a little more action for Henry-ala, Greene and Grimsley. we are a work in progress so while its important to get wins, its equally important to see what players are going to give you the best consistent effort on a nightly basis.

GO FLASHES!!!!

I'm scared as heck. Someone else posted the teams we beat and how good they are. I'll go the other way on W's. NCCU, SLU, UNCW, UNCG, Hampton,YSU, Shawnee State. 3 of those teams have no Division 1 wins. Not to be a naysayer but we could be in real real trouble. Nothing to date has shown that we have the discipline, consistency or maturity to go on the road in a hostile environment and get a win. I hope i'm wrong but i have a feeling we might be staring at a .500 or below season.

remember - OU is back in school for first time since Thanksgiving so the crowd could be real hostile.

Tyree will use the chants to motivate him. He wears number 0 for a reason. Anyone have any word on the freshman Steven Coleman?

Agreed I think it will motivate the players more than anything. When St. Marys visited the MACC the student section was ripping on their big guy (forgot his name?) because he left during last years game with an injured shoulder. The students were shouting things like. "Oh, my shoulder hurts" and stuff like that. He just laughed it off and had a big night.

At the Kent State vs. Miami football game this year, when the KSU players were walking out of the tunnel, the Miami students right next to the tunnel were shouting, "Can't Read, Can't Write, Can't State" and the players responded with a 54-21 victory. A few days later I was in the hot tub with my friend and some of the football players were in there too. They were talking about how that simply motivated them even more to win.

So I say to the Ohio fans, bring it on. Motivate our players even more. They know this is a big game and silly name calling will most likely help them out.

Ohio is rebuilding this year like all MAC teams appear to be doing, but help is on its way. Coleman is gonna be a star in the MAC. He is a double digit scorer as a true freshmen with 3 seniors in the starting five. Next year Armand Bassett and DJ Cooper join him in the backcourt along with a beast in power forward Reggie Keely, and Devaugh Washington who is starting to blossom in the post in his sophmore year. Ohio could be a real handfull in 2011 as Groce gets all his peices in place. Another big to compliment Keely and Washington inside is probably the difference between being a very good team and becoming a great team. This year Tillman is carrying Ohio on his back alongside senior Orr on the wing and steady point guard Mike Allen. Ohio still will be good at home. Coleman is an upgrade defensively at the 2 and is more like Troutman who had long reaching arms as well. This helps a lot as teams can't get into the paint like they did with Walther/BW4 last year. Center position is what it is. Washington and KVK will foul out in 15-20 minutes each, but Washington has emerged in recent games to become a tough matchup against non-athletic centers.

Ah yes, the Michael Jordan affect. Although that doesn't always work. Anyone remember Akron's Jamey Bosley in the 90's? We razzed him so bad, he couldn't dribble straight.

(01-06-2009 05:51 PM)KentKrazy Wrote:  Tyree will use the chants to motivate him. He wears number 0 for a reason. Anyone have any word on the freshman Steven Coleman?

When the schedule came out, I planned on making this game in Athens. But I don't trravel to watch bad basketball. Having so many scorers struggle game-in and game-out makes me really question what Geno is teaching in practice. And going 5-13 in free throws at the end of a game is completely inexcusable and would have never been tolerated by JC. I'm really starting to question whether two years of coaching a Div. II NAIA school really prepares you for the rigors of DI.

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Ah yes, the Michael Jordan affect. Although that doesn't always work. Anyone remember Akron's Jamey Bosley in the 90's? We razzed him so bad, he couldn't dribble straight.

The Boseley game is in my top 5 games at the MAC center. The students with some car stereos around their necks, jingling their keys chanting "Fat bald convict". I almost felt bad for the kid.

(01-06-2009 03:38 PM)Dunbar,AtTheTopOfTheHill Wrote:  This will be the first time some players will hear personal attacks from the courtside fans. Both Henry-Ala and Evans will hear orchastrated chants/comments from the OU student body. And Sing too, although he got an earfull last year. It will be interesting to see what reaction they have, if any.

OU also has a first year coach and with the history of Geno playing there and being one of the most popular players in history, OU has had this game circled on their calendars for months.

True story - At the STL game earlier this year, Sing went to the line for 2 shots and the fans were chanting "DUI DUI" -he missed. For the second FT they chanted "you're still drunk" -he airballed the free throw ! I was there. I couldn't believe it. Hopefully, he can block that out !

(01-07-2009 09:44 AM)dannyb73 Wrote:  

(01-06-2009 03:38 PM)Dunbar,AtTheTopOfTheHill Wrote:  This will be the first time some players will hear personal attacks from the courtside fans. Both Henry-Ala and Evans will hear orchastrated chants/comments from the OU student body. And Sing too, although he got an earfull last year. It will be interesting to see what reaction they have, if any.

OU also has a first year coach and with the history of Geno playing there and being one of the most popular players in history, OU has had this game circled on their calendars for months.

True story - At the STL game earlier this year, Sing went to the line for 2 shots and the fans were chanting "DUI DUI" -he missed. For the second FT they chanted "you're still drunk" -he airballed the free throw ! I was there. I couldn't believe it. Hopefully, he can block that out !

Considering Singletary shoots 55% from the free-throw line, the crowd could've been completely silent and odds are he would've missed both attempts.

(01-06-2009 06:15 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  So I say to the Ohio fans, bring it on. Motivate our players even more. They know this is a big game and silly name calling will most likely help them out.

Be careful what you wish for.

(01-07-2009 01:32 AM)OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:  Ohio is rebuilding this year like all MAC teams appear to be doing, but help is on its way. Coleman is gonna be a star in the MAC. He is a double digit scorer as a true freshmen with 3 seniors in the starting five. Next year Armand Bassett and DJ Cooper join him in the backcourt along with a beast in power forward Reggie Keely, and Devaugh Washington who is starting to blossom in the post in his sophmore year. Ohio could be a real handfull in 2011 as Groce gets all his peices in place. Another big to compliment Keely and Washington inside is probably the difference between being a very good team and becoming a great team. This year Tillman is carrying Ohio on his back alongside senior Orr on the wing and steady point guard Mike Allen. Ohio still will be good at home. Coleman is an upgrade defensively at the 2 and is more like Troutman who had long reaching arms as well. This helps a lot as teams can't get into the paint like they did with Walther/BW4 last year. Center position is what it is. Washington and KVK will foul out in 15-20 minutes each, but Washington has emerged in recent games to become a tough matchup against non-athletic centers.

Are you the same oubobcatjohn that posts on BobcatAttack.com? Classy post about Evans (said dripping with sarcasm).

(01-07-2009 07:53 AM)ksugldnflshs Wrote:  When the schedule came out, I planned on making this game in Athens. But I don't trravel to watch bad basketball. Having so many scorers struggle game-in and game-out makes me really question what Geno is teaching in practice. And going 5-13 in free throws at the end of a game is completely inexcusable and would have never been tolerated by JC. I'm really starting to question whether two years of coaching a Div. II NAIA school really prepares you for the rigors of DI.

this is what i am talkng about a good fan will support his team regardless these guys are playing hard, maybe not smart enough, but still! jim christian teams has never been good free throw shooting teams and i remember the criticisms about how his teams always choked at the line. mac season is the beginning of a new season nothing that has happened previously matters(0-14, 14,0) we need all the support we can get, bailing on a struggling team is not the answer if you are a true fan!

will this one be on tv?

(01-08-2009 01:46 AM)flashfever Wrote:  

(01-07-2009 07:53 AM)ksugldnflshs Wrote:  When the schedule came out, I planned on making this game in Athens. But I don't trravel to watch bad basketball. Having so many scorers struggle game-in and game-out makes me really question what Geno is teaching in practice. And going 5-13 in free throws at the end of a game is completely inexcusable and would have never been tolerated by JC. I'm really starting to question whether two years of coaching a Div. II NAIA school really prepares you for the rigors of DI.

this is what i am talkng about a good fan will support his team regardless these guys are playing hard, maybe not smart enough, but still! jim christian teams has never been good free throw shooting teams and i remember the criticisms about how his teams always choked at the line. mac season is the beginning of a new season nothing that has happened previously matters(0-14, 14,0) we need all the support we can get, bailing on a struggling team is not the answer if you are a true fan!

Send me a check for the gas, ticket, and food, then Ill go. Oh, and if you could also give me back the 6 hours it takes for me to travel there and back, that would be great too.

lol what a CLOWN! speechless... well not really u sound like an nba scout, do u want a salary as well and a foot massage while u watch the game? i thought this was a site for fan not bandwagon jumpers?lol

Here is what Tyree and the Flashes will contend with when they take the court Sunday...

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard...PID=174844

Just wow. I have wished that the Kent students cared as much about the basketball team as other schools, but if this is what we would end up with, they can stay in the dorms.

How about you wait until the actual game before judgment?

(01-08-2009 06:21 PM)OZoner Wrote:  How about you wait until the actual game before judgment?

Naw.

I have a lot of ties to Ohio University, so I may be biased, but I've always thought the Bobcats have great fans. They show up. They love their team. And they often come up with some pretty creative stuff that's had me laughing from the press seats behind them.

Several of my closest friends are OU grads and they are all class acts. I would have been a Bobcat had I not come to the realization that I would have flunked out in my first year if I didn't take a couple of semesters off to get my act together after high school.

Anyway, there may be a few who will chant and do some silly stuff to try to get to Tyree, but that's to be expected anyplace KSU goes.
As I've said before, I've gotten to know Tyree a little bit this year, and I really genuinely like him. He obviously isn't the same person he was three or four years ago. Unfortunately, when you make some of the mistakes he made in his past, you sometimes end up having to pay for them long after you may have made some major changes to your life. Taking some abuse from the fans on the road for five or six games this year at places like Ohio University, Akron, Buffalo, Miami, possibly Bowling Green (and maybe a few other places where the fans in the MAC actually care) is something he knows he is just going to have to deal with.

Tyree will be fine when he starts dropping bombs on their weak guards.

And one other thing - to any Bobcat fan on here or those who may not be informed - I was an undergrad when Geno played at OU and I was a manager for the KSU team, so in my 4 years I saw Geno play at least 8x. He was probably more instrumental of a player at OU than anyone I have seen filter through the Convo in my time. IMHO, more than even Gary Trent. Those OU fans that are dogging him now were the same people that were jocking him 15 years ago. They should be supportive of him and cheer for him unless they are playing us (and even then, shouldn't be ugly to him) or need KSU to lose to enhance their position. That is how I generally feel about all MAC schools (even admittedly the Zips).

OK, well, um, we ARE playing you, so he gets no mercy right now. Otherwise, he may be the most beloved Bobcat ever.

Weak guards, eh? We'll see...

(01-08-2009 05:42 PM)Dunbar,AtTheTopOfTheHill Wrote:  Here is what Tyree and the Flashes will contend with when they take the court Sunday...

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard...PID=174844

Just wow. I have wished that the Kent students cared as much about the basketball team as other schools, but if this is what we would end up with, they can stay in the dorms.

What a bunch of scumbags. We've have our rivalry with Akron, and other MAC schools have heated rivalries too but these clowns take the icing on the cake with their Cameron Crazies wannabe routine. It's not funny, it's not cool and if taking the low road impresses their recruits in the house they can keep them and whatever other recruits they scoop up after we passed on them. Like you said we'd love to have some added student support but if this is what it entails they can stay in the dorms or go home on the weekends like they mostly do anyway.

(01-08-2009 06:21 PM)OZoner Wrote:  How about you wait until the actual game before judgment?

Your work is finished here, the Boobcat board is calling you, I know this one isn't. Going on a rival schools forum isn't cool unless you're there in good sportsmanship, something the Boobcat faithful would never be accused of.

I said it last year, how does an OU student section get the right to chant DUI to ANYONE? I mean, this is the same school that rioted in my college days when the time changed, and the bars closed at 1am, instead of 2am. In the same manner, how many OU students that are going to hold up these pictures never posessed drugs *ha!* or have a perfectly clean rap?

(01-08-2009 04:29 PM)flashfever Wrote:  lol what a CLOWN! speechless... well not really u sound like an nba scout, do u want a salary as well and a foot massage while u watch the game? i thought this was a site for fan not bandwagon jumpers?lol

I'm just saying it costs $$$$$ to see games and I'm not willing to spend $$$$$ unless there is a good chance at seeing WWWWW. And don't call me a bandwagoner. I've seen more KSU basketball and football games than 90% of the alumni out there, so can that BS. Also, I'm 10x more a Detroit Tigers fan than a KSU fan, but I still only make a game in Detroit once a year if Im lucky. Just because I dont want to spend my sunday driving back and forth to OU to see another L doesnt make me any less of a fan or a bandwagoner. PS. You're as ass.

(01-08-2009 01:46 AM)flashfever Wrote:  this is what i am talkng about a good fan will support his team regardless these guys are playing hard, maybe not smart enough, but still! jim christian teams has never been good free throw shooting teams and i remember the criticisms about how his teams always choked at the line. mac season is the beginning of a new season nothing that has happened previously matters(0-14, 14,0) we need all the support we can get, bailing on a struggling team is not the answer if you are a true fan!

Based on non-conference performance, only Miami may be clearly better than Kent based on things that happened on the court and they've lost their PG, so we'll see. Akron, Ohio and Buffalo are equals in performance; BG and the MAC west are worse.

Basically, it's anyone's game. I could see Kent going 11-5 in conference and having a very good season still.

IMHO, Kent's biggest problems are interior defense and free throw shooting. Parks is better on offense than defense, which makes him useful, but the team would be better off if he were good on defense and not on offense. I think the coaches have him glued to the floor to avoid fouls. Sullinger plays well enough when matched ideally, but is not good enough when the matchup is bad. Simpson looks like a great athlete, but isn't helping the team as much as he should (hopefully the coaching fixes that). Green looks promising, but he probably won't help that much this year.

The key is Simpson learning the defense. He can make the difference between 12-4 and 8-8 in MAC play.

Based on my VERY limited basketball "career", and conversations I've had with many basketball players, I think the stuff from the stands is pretty much tuned out by the players. The noise level, in general, can benefit the home team and have a detrimental effect on some visiting players, especially freahmen, but I seriously doubt Tyree Evans pays attention to that stuff. Players mosty tune in to what their coaches are shouting, and whatever player on the floor is shouting instructions, and tune out the rest.

(01-09-2009 10:33 AM)AlphaFlash Wrote:  I said it last year, how does an OU student section get the right to chant DUI to ANYONE? I mean, this is the same school that rioted in my college days when the time changed, and the bars closed at 1am, instead of 2am. In the same manner, how many OU students that are going to hold up these pictures never posessed drugs *ha!* or have a perfectly clean rap?

I am also quite certain a MAC school we know (let's keep it quiet) had their football coach passed out drunk behind the wheel of the car facing the wrong way on a one way street. He is still the "leader" of that institutions young men. His name kinda sounds like POLISH. Ahh, who is keeping track anyway?

Geno vs Dustin, nine rounds. Who wins? http://www.thepost.ohiou.edu/Articles/Sp...1/09/26691

(01-09-2009 03:32 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  

(01-09-2009 10:33 AM)AlphaFlash Wrote:  I said it last year, how does an OU student section get the right to chant DUI to ANYONE? I mean, this is the same school that rioted in my college days when the time changed, and the bars closed at 1am, instead of 2am. In the same manner, how many OU students that are going to hold up these pictures never posessed drugs *ha!* or have a perfectly clean rap?

I am also quite certain a MAC school we know (let's keep it quiet) had their football coach passed out drunk behind the wheel of the car facing the wrong way on a one way street. He is still the "leader" of that institutions young men. His name kinda sounds like POLISH. Ahh, who is keeping track anyway?

Yeah but they now have the strictest code of conduct rules in the MAC by their account....mainly because their program needed it yet now these clowns are on their high horses. Best way to shut B.O. zoners out is jumping out to a quick lead and not looking back.

(01-09-2009 03:20 PM)Kent 76 Wrote:  Based on my VERY limited basketball "career", and conversations I've had with many basketball players, I think the stuff from the stands is pretty much tuned out by the players. The noise level, in general, can benefit the home team and have a detrimental effect on some visiting players, especially freahmen, but I seriously doubt Tyree Evans pays attention to that stuff. Players mosty tune in to what their coaches are shouting, and whatever player on the floor is shouting instructions, and tune out the rest.

I know that both Fisher and Singletary both returned verbal fire with the OU fans before the game last year. Singletary then ended up with two technical fouls and got tossed. Kent didn't play with any composure in that game, didn't OU shoot like six straight free throws at the end of the game because of all the fouls? Also, back in Kent I saw the look of his face when he heard what that bus load of OU fans that showed up at the MACC were chanting.

No one ever admits hearing what is said from the stands, but they do. Not during play because they are occupied, but during time-outs and while sitting on the bench.

Quote:I said it last year, how does an OU student section get the right to chant DUI to ANYONE?

I'll take a guess...

They find off season practice to stay in shape for greeting their head football coach?

Quote:I know that both Fisher and Singletary both returned verbal fire with the OU fans before the game last year. Singletary then ended up with two technical fouls and got tossed. Kent didn't play with any composure in that game, didn't OU shoot like six straight free throws at the end of the game because of all the fouls? Also, back in Kent I saw the look of his face when he heard what that bus load of OU fans that showed up at the MACC were chanting.

So you say they know what's coming? I just "CAN"T" wait to read the the lectures about the OU athletic department standards and class we'll get after the game. Just keep in mind this much energy is directed out of envy. The fact that one of their legends and first choice for head coach is on our bench just fuels it. If the Bobcats were playing Eastern Michigan, the stands would be empty and the boards silent.

On another note, I'm glad one of my brightest, sweetest and most beautiful neices is an OU graduate. She married a Flash, showing it IS possible for the Bobs to see the truth and the way and rise above their Athens experience.

(01-09-2009 09:54 PM)FlashFan Wrote:  

Quote:I know that both Fisher and Singletary both returned verbal fire with the OU fans before the game last year. Singletary then ended up with two technical fouls and got tossed. Kent didn't play with any composure in that game, didn't OU shoot like six straight free throws at the end of the game because of all the fouls? Also, back in Kent I saw the look of his face when he heard what that bus load of OU fans that showed up at the MACC were chanting.

So you say they know what's coming? I just "CAN"T" wait to read the the lectures about the OU athletic department standards and class we'll get after the game. Just keep in mind this much energy is directed out of envy. The fact that one of their legends and first choice for head coach is on our bench just fuels it. If the Bobcats were playing Eastern Michigan, the stands would be empty and the boards silent.

I was only pointing out that players do hear what is said by the student section right next to the floor. They are only human and can't help hearing an orchastrated chant just a few feet away. Last year in Athens, I think it made a difference. There was some reason we played without composure at the end of the game. Even JC got a technical.

And OU fans are absolutely jealous. Their moral outrage in giving someone a second chance is laughable.

(01-09-2009 12:36 PM)ksugldnflshs Wrote:  

(01-08-2009 04:29 PM)flashfever Wrote:  lol what a CLOWN! speechless... well not really u sound like an nba scout, do u want a salary as well and a foot massage while u watch the game? i thought this was a site for fan not bandwagon jumpers?lol

I'm just saying it costs $$$$$ to see games and I'm not willing to spend $$$$$ unless there is a good chance at seeing WWWWW. And don't call me a bandwagoner. I've seen more KSU basketball and football games than 90% of the alumni out there, so can that BS. Also, I'm 10x more a Detroit Tigers fan than a KSU fan, but I still only make a game in Detroit once a year if Im lucky. Just because I dont want to spend my sunday driving back and forth to OU to see another L doesnt make me any less of a fan or a bandwagoner. PS. You're as ass.

blah blah blah you already put your foot in you mouth so just shutup!
and its definitely a good chance of seeng a win you are talking like we lost already!

during the game most of the stuff in the fan section is blocked out the only time you really hear them is before the game. also they are to close to the court during warmups one day a fan a player is going to get into a fight

Fans are alike all over. I recall a couple of years back the fans of some prime time school ragged on an opposing player whose grandfather had died in a fire, yelling things like "crispy grandfather". Anything for a win.

Dunbar, I agree that the times a player is most likely to pay attention to stuff from the fans is while warming up, sitting on the bench or during time-outs. Still, a D I player ought to have learned to tune that stuff out, and I think most do. It is part of the package of being a big-time basketball player to be able to focus and tune-out that which he/she shouldn't be listening to.

i remember when dre went to OU croowd after the game and did their winning team losing team chant, some kent players hate OU more then akron, and the refs let us have it last year. i think they decides the game at the end something that refs shouldnt do 3 players fouled out we got a tech etc. when u lose at OU as a player you circle that game at ohio the following year!

(01-09-2009 02:52 AM)dannyb73 Wrote:  Tyree will be fine when he starts dropping bombs on their weak guards.

Kudos, dannyb...you said all that needed to be said in just 13 words!

Envy? Moral outrage? I'm starting to think you guys actually believe this stuff.

while these chants are somewhat classless, and its kind of like throwing bricks in a glass house, i would rather our students were loud and show up in force, as history has shown that helps the home team out. Last year, i remember for a good chunk of the game, the ou contingent that had traveled up from athens was louder than the entire rest of the kent crowd.

(01-10-2009 12:27 PM)OZoner Wrote:  Envy? Moral outrage? I'm starting to think you guys actually believe this stuff.

Moral outrage, yes, absolutely. How many posts are there on the Bobcat boards about how glad they are that OU wouldn't give Tyree another chance if he wanted to go to Ohio? How many post are there where OU fans congratulate themelves with their moral superiority by choosing to lose with better citizens than Kent has?

On the other hand, how many posts are there calling Kent players names like: convicts, rapists, or punks? There are OU fans that want to direct "Rapist!" chants at Evans, even though this is Youth Day at OU. Nice. The fans don't hold themselves to the same standards that they want to hold Kent basketball to.

(01-10-2009 02:22 PM)eliteeight02 Wrote:  while these chants are somewhat classless, and its kind of like throwing bricks in a glass house, i would rather our students were loud and show up in force, as history has shown that helps the home team out. Last year, i remember for a good chunk of the game, the ou contingent that had traveled up from athens was louder than the entire rest of the kent crowd.

You know what they say about people in glass houses....they shouldn't take showers.

Wait, that is not right.

Anyway, you are correct about that game last year, that bugged me about the Kent students. They weren't there and the OZone that came up from Athens was louder than we were. But I am torn. If we have a good turnout, does it have to be like the Akron game crowd? I don't want to hear the "F*^# Akron" chant again. Can't we get basketball fans, not just students that hate the other school?

So far, very little of this thread is actually about basketball. And as an undergrad.... We aren't all screaming terrible stuff at the other team the entire game. I don't even like it when people do the "you suck" thing when they are introducing the other teams' players. Although I must say that from reading what the o-zoners have to say on their board, they seem a little too obsessive about rattling our players. Either they care little about basketball, and a whole lot about acting like douches, or they actually believe that their comedy act is necessary to help them win a game. I won't be making the trip down this year, I took a lot of abuse last year just for being there in yellow.

And I see they are still upset about Al getting POY over their players last year. They are forgetting that their best player was a decent contributor to a mediocre MAC East team.

Why can't people just sit there and watch the game, and cheer for their team? Thirty years ago the late Christopher Lasch wrote about the rise of narcissism and talked about "fans" at games being so narcissistic that they have to be part of the show themselves. I don't go to a game to hear a bunch of young punks try to be clever with their chants, or grown up people dressing like clowns (e.g. at Browns games) or any other crap from the stands. The pep bands are fine, and the cheerleaders, and the dance team. They all add to the atmosphere. But spare me a bunch of young punks who want to be part of the show and their sophomoric crap.