(05-10-2009 02:15 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I don't believe any of this but it's the long and boring offseason so sport journalists write anything to get any attention. If UT-Austin and A&M leave the Big XII.....it'd be for the Pac-10 not the ACC. Heck, even the SEC would make more sense than the ACC. Apparently, the article got deleted. Take it for what is worth.....enjoy:

(05-10-2009 02:35 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  With all due respect for El Paso, I just don't see central time zone programs willingly joining a conference that is almost completely in the pacific time zone.

(05-10-2009 03:20 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  Nothing says Atlantic Coast and the eastern seaboard like Texas......

(05-10-2009 03:43 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  What is with the author saying the Big 12 North stinks - I believe Missouri, Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado, and Kansas State have all been in the top 5 in the nation since the Big 12 has been founded.

If this crazy thing did happen I would say you guys in the CUSA West would end up being with the remaining Big 12 schools.

(05-10-2009 02:35 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(05-10-2009 02:15 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I don't believe any of this but it's the long and boring offseason so sport journalists write anything to get any attention. If UT-Austin and A&M leave the Big XII.....it'd be for the Pac-10 not the ACC. Heck, even the SEC would make more sense than the ACC. Apparently, the article got deleted. Take it for what is worth.....enjoy:

With all due respect for El Paso, I just don't see central time zone programs willingly joining a conference that is almost completely in the pacific time zone. Those inevitable 10 pm television starts kill the ratings advantage they would have in Texas. If Texas and Texas A&M go anywhere, it will be to the SEC where they can join LSU and Arkansas.

(05-10-2009 03:38 PM)ultraviolet Wrote:  

(05-10-2009 03:20 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  Nothing says Atlantic Coast and the eastern seaboard like Texas......

I'm still waiting on that Nigerian prince to send me that check to hold all those millions for him. I gave him my bank account number.

(05-10-2009 05:44 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  SEC...Yes, Pac-10....Kinda, ACC....No

If UT/A&M bolt, I could see Utah/BYU replacing them. TCU makes sense as well, bringing back another Texas location for Big12. I could see Big11 picking off Mizzou in the time of conference weakness.

SEC adding two makes sense from a financial standpoint. Send UA/Auburn to the Eastern Division to accommodate the TX teams

(05-10-2009 08:00 PM)TopCoog Wrote:  this is all silliness. Is his the way we spend our time?

(05-10-2009 08:14 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(05-10-2009 08:00 PM)TopCoog Wrote:  this is all silliness. Is his the way we spend our time?

You know we spend all our time on expansion threads, but then you tell us we're all dumb for thinking any expansion is happening; so isn't this a pointless question for you to ask?

(05-10-2009 08:18 PM)TopCoog Wrote:  

(05-10-2009 08:14 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(05-10-2009 08:00 PM)TopCoog Wrote:  this is all silliness. Is his the way we spend our time?

You know we spend all our time on expansion threads, but then you tell us we're all dumb for thinking any expansion is happening; so isn't this a pointless question for you to ask?

You'll have to admit Citrus, this is a bit over the top.

(05-10-2009 06:47 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(05-10-2009 03:38 PM)ultraviolet Wrote:  

(05-10-2009 03:20 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  Nothing says Atlantic Coast and the eastern seaboard like Texas......

I'm still waiting on that Nigerian prince to send me that check to hold all those millions for him. I gave him my bank account number.

(05-10-2009 02:31 PM)canewton Wrote:  I think if Texas and Texas A&M really wanted in, the SEC would allow them to join. Bringing those two teams into their conference would make them the most watched, best performing conference in the country.

I don't believe this article for a single moment. There is no way that Texas and Texas A&M would ever ever ever join the ACC.

(05-10-2009 09:42 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(05-10-2009 02:31 PM)canewton Wrote:  I think if Texas and Texas A&M really wanted in, the SEC would allow them to join. Bringing those two teams into their conference would make them the most watched, best performing conference in the country.

I don't believe this article for a single moment. There is no way that Texas and Texas A&M would ever ever ever join the ACC.

Don't believe this article either, but Texas would consider the ACC before the SEC (they see the SEC as too low-brow academically). They considered the Pac-10 over the SEC back at the end of the SWC, and that would have made about as much sense as going to the ACC right now.

There is no way that A&M would go to the ACC over the SEC. A&M to the SEC has been a rumor for a long while now. Aggie fans see themselves as having more in common with the fans of SEC schools than others.

(05-10-2009 02:15 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I don't believe any of this but it's the long and boring offseason so sport journalists write anything to get any attention. If UT-Austin and A&M leave the Big XII.....it'd be for the Pac-10 not the ACC. Heck, even the SEC would make more sense than the ACC. Apparently, the article got deleted. Take it for what is worth.....enjoy:





Longhorns Leaving Big XII for Greener Pastures

May 8, 2009
CBSSports.com wire reports

GREENSBORO -- Less than a week after the Big XII coaches rejected a proposal to change the controversial tiebreaker that gave the Oklahoma Sooners last season’s Big XII South title over the Texas Longhorns, a team who soundly beat the Sooners earlier in the season, CBS Sports has learned the Longhorns are in negotiations to leave the Big XII and join the Atlantic Coast Conference. The surprise announcement could come as early as next week.

According to a source within CBS Sports partner conference, the ACC, Texas Athletic Director, Deloss Dodds and members of his staff flew to ACC headquarters in Greensboro, North Carolina late last week to meet with ACC Commissioner, John Swofford, in anticipation of the Big XII’s stunning tiebreaker decision just two days ago.

According to Big XII and ACC bylaws, leaving the Big XII for the ACC is expected to cost the Longhorns in excess of $5 million, and would require a qualifying vote of both the ACC member schools as well as the Texas legislature. However, those steps are seen as a mere formality due to the resulting financial windfall for all involved.

In walking away from the Big XII, Texas is leaving behind a conference that has struggled to gain traction in the years since its inception. Former football power, Nebraska, has been mired in mediocrity, with no team stepping up to fill the void in the talent poor Big XII North. For the past decade, the conference has been propped up solely by Texas and Oklahoma’s annual inclusion in the National Championship hunt, with sporadic appearances in the BCS top 25 by Texas Tech, Missouri, Kansas and Oklahoma State. In basketball, despite powerhouses Kansas, Oklahoma, Missouri and Texas providing plenty of top 15 rankings, the Big XII has languished behind more notable basketball conferences, the Big East and the ACC in both post season performance and reputation.

The ACC, which is celebrating its 55th year of existence today, is seemingly aglow at the prospect of adding Texas and its rich tradition. In landing the Longhorns, the ACC not only adds an annual National Championship frontrunner to the fold, something they have sorely lacked for the latter half of this decade, but they also add an impressive TV market to their stable as well. Currently ranking a second in conference viewership behind the SEC, the addition of the Texas TV market is almost certain to make them the runaway leader in that field. According to the Media Information Center, the Texas Longhorns own the largest TV market in the country, nearly 30% larger than the second ranked school, the University of Southern California.

Bringing Texas into the conference would almost assuredly allow the ACC to immediately rework their TV deal with Fox, which doesn’t expire until 2012, and could result in the largest TV payout in NCAA history. The Longhorns, despite the $5 million cost of making the switch, stand to increase their annual media revenue by nearly 60%.

Long rumored to be interested in adding a 13th and 14th team since the admission of Boston College as the 12th and final member in 2004, the ACC has been unable to identify any willing institutions that met the conference’s standards of academic excellence in addition to athletic prowess. In the Longhorns, the ACC would gain one of the most respected public universities in the country, and a regular member of national undergraduate and graduate program rankings.

Though still yet to be determined, sources say the ACC is strongly considering identifying and adding the 14th and final member this summer. Any team added however, including Texas, would realistically have to wait until the 2010 or 2011 season to commence participation in ACC conference play for any NCAA sport. The front runners for the 14th spot are expected to be Texas A&M, a fellow Big XII member school with strong academics and a solid athletic track record, and Big East member, the University of Connecticut, whose upstart football program and championship winning basketball programs make it a logical fit. However, conference officials might instead attempt to lure Notre Dame into the fold, though the prospects of their joining the ACC appear slim.

If both Texas and Texas A&M leave the Big XII for the ACC, the domino effect would almost certainly result in the collapse of the Big XII as we know it. The resulting effect could possibly see the SEC add Oklahoma and Oklahoma State, with Missouri going to the Big Ten and Colorado joining the Pac-10, along with long rumored addition, Hawaii. The remaining 6 Big XII teams ? Texas Tech, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, and Iowa State would likely split up and join the Mountain West and Big East conferences or cherry pick 6 to 8 additional teams from the Mountain West, Conference USA, Western Athletic Conference and Big East in an effort to remain a BCS member conference.

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(05-10-2009 03:43 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  What is with the author saying the Big 12 North stinks - I believe Missouri, Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado, and Kansas State have all been in the top 5 in the nation since the Big 12 has been founded.

(05-10-2009 11:21 PM)GreenMississippi Wrote:  The article is obviously a joke. If the author saw this thread he'd laugh his @$$ off.

Texas and TA&M to the PAC-10 would make for an extremely interesting conference re-evaluation. It would instantly make the PAC-10 the #2 conference over the current Big 12, and would probably be a catalyst for the Big 10/11 to go to 12 (Missouri, Nebraska, Kansas would all say yes). Oklahoma would immediately make overtures to the SEC, and the remaining Big 12 teams would probably cannibalize the MWC.

Would it be profitable? Depends on the TV deals they get, but I'm not sure if the travel for non-revenue sports would make up for that. Definitely a better academic conference, and better access to the Rose Bowl.

Quote:What's more annoying Colorado crying about revenue sharing.

That school has been a complete crock of sh*t since joining the Small12.

(05-12-2009 06:59 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  It has been rumored for at least 2 or 3 years that Texas and A&M were unhappy with the Big 12 for a couple of reasons. The championship game, the revenue sharing and quite frankly, they like being the power guys calling the shots. Not the best "team" players from a conference point of view.

But the rumor was centered around those 2 schools convincing the rest of the Big 12 south to break away and form a new 9 team conference. They and Oklahoma would be in control of course. So those 6 schools and 3 new ones would form a new SWC. Then the 6 northern Big 12 schools would need 2 or 3 additional schoools. I would bet that in that scenario both Utah and BYU would end up with the north and maybe Colorado St as well. In the south it's anyone's guess but TCU would be a strong candidate.

Quote:Less than a week after the Big XII coaches rejected a proposal to change the controversial tiebreaker that gave the Oklahoma Sooners last season’s Big XII South title over the Texas Longhorns, a team who soundly beat the Sooners earlier in the season, CBS Sports has learned the Longhorns are in negotiations to leave the Big XII and join the Atlantic Coast Conference. The surprise announcement could come as early as next week.

Quote:I think if Texas and Texas A&M really wanted in, the SEC would allow them to join. Bringing those two teams into their conference would make them the most watched, best performing conference in the country.

I don't believe this article for a single moment. There is no way that Texas and Texas A&M would ever ever ever join the ACC.

Quote:And if these programs don't want to split the pot with the likes of Iowa State, Colorado, and Kansas State, they'll move on again to "greenbacker" pastures.

Quote:Let's say UT-Austin and A&M go to the Pac-10. Don't you think the Pac-10 would be willing to accommodate both schools the same way the MWC did to TCU (no late night games at UNLV and SDSU)? I don't think the Longhorns and Aggies would ever play road games past 7pm/5pm Central-Pacific time. More than likely, it'd be in early/late Saturday afternoons and no Thursday night games unless it's at Austin or College Station. Same goes for basketball.

Quote:A&M will not go to the Pac-10. Their fans would b!tch about being with the "wimpy Californian schools" and beg to be in the SEC.

(05-14-2009 07:23 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  I'd point out that there's no such thing as a Prop 48/Partial Qualifier anymore. The rules have since been changed to where a player either qualifies or he doesn't.

(05-14-2009 07:40 PM)Airport KC Wrote:  

(05-14-2009 07:23 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  I'd point out that there's no such thing as a Prop 48/Partial Qualifier anymore. The rules have since been changed to where a player either qualifies or he doesn't.

And that is what is really killing CUSA, especially in basketball programs like Cincy lived on Partial Qualifiers

(05-10-2009 11:07 PM)chieffan19 Wrote:  

(05-10-2009 09:42 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(05-10-2009 02:31 PM)canewton Wrote:  I think if Texas and Texas A&M really wanted in, the SEC would allow them to join. Bringing those two teams into their conference would make them the most watched, best performing conference in the country.

I don't believe this article for a single moment. There is no way that Texas and Texas A&M would ever ever ever join the ACC.

Don't believe this article either, but Texas would consider the ACC before the SEC (they see the SEC as too low-brow academically). They considered the Pac-10 over the SEC back at the end of the SWC, and that would have made about as much sense as going to the ACC right now.

There is no way that A&M would go to the ACC over the SEC. A&M to the SEC has been a rumor for a long while now. Aggie fans see themselves as having more in common with the fans of SEC schools than others.

I agree with just about everything stated above (well done team). This is the biggest pile I have read in a long time. Did the author of this article actually try to argue that the Big 12 HAS NOT taken traction since the formation of the BCS? Really? From what I understand, the Big 12 is the second most profitable league (behind the SEC).

This hurts my head.

(05-14-2009 06:56 PM)RC Horn Wrote:  

Quote:Less than a week after the Big XII coaches rejected a proposal to change the controversial tiebreaker that gave the Oklahoma Sooners last season’s Big XII South title over the Texas Longhorns, a team who soundly beat the Sooners earlier in the season, CBS Sports has learned the Longhorns are in negotiations to leave the Big XII and join the Atlantic Coast Conference. The surprise announcement could come as early as next week.

That's the first time I've ever heard ot moving to the ACC from anywhere and I follow the UT program pretty closely. True, Longhorn fans in the know are not happy with the Big XII's present tiebreaking system. For the record, IT SUCKS!! It's not enough to make UT leave the conference for now.

Quote:I think if Texas and Texas A&M really wanted in, the SEC would allow them to join. Bringing those two teams into their conference would make them the most watched, best performing conference in the country.

I don't believe this article for a single moment. There is no way that Texas and Texas A&M would ever ever ever join the ACC.

Yes, the SEC would let us in but they also know that we would try to put restrictions on Prop 48/partial qualifying players being taken in by them as a provision of joining the conference. There would be some schools in the SEC that would absolutely bitch to high hell if such restrictions were placed on them. They saw what happened to Nebraska once the Huskers had to cut back on the partial qualifiers. ACC? It won't happen because 1) there are too many teams as it is in that conference anyways and 2) Too many schools are too far away

Quote:And if these programs don't want to split the pot with the likes of Iowa State, Colorado, and Kansas State, they'll move on again to "greenbacker" pastures.

Right now, 4 schools(UT, OU, NU, A&M) get most of the share from all the TV revenue. The rest get a smaller portion. Any changes in the Big XII have to be done by 3/4's vote (ie. 9 votes). There was always a rumor floating around the Big XII that A&M would switch their vote and change how the revenue is shared in the conference. This hasn't happened yet.

Quote:Let's say UT-Austin and A&M go to the Pac-10. Don't you think the Pac-10 would be willing to accommodate both schools the same way the MWC did to TCU (no late night games at UNLV and SDSU)? I don't think the Longhorns and Aggies would ever play road games past 7pm/5pm Central-Pacific time. More than likely, it'd be in early/late Saturday afternoons and no Thursday night games unless it's at Austin or College Station. Same goes for basketball.

As far as the PAC 10 is concerned, I don't see UT going there either. True, there was a flirtation back before the breakup of the SWC. Once it was found out that UT could not go without A&M, the deal was off. There was no way in Hell the PAC 10 wanted the Aggies. Too much culture shock involved there. If A&M had problems in the past with Rice, just how in the hell are they going to deal with Stanford? Stanford's band is much more mean spirited than Rice's. They get banned from places like Notre Dame and Oregon. Rice's has never been banned from anywhere but A&M.

Quote:A&M will not go to the Pac-10. Their fans would b!tch about being with the "wimpy Californian schools" and beg to be in the SEC.

Right now, A&M is worse than Baylor when it comes to football. They would absolutely get mauled in the SEC. The same would go for the PAC 10 as well except for the fact that the PAC10 does not want them. There's a reason why Arkansas put off our football series and decided to play A&M yearly instead.


All in all, the rumor around UT wanting to leave the Big XII stemmed from a lot of unhappiness over the Tiebreaking Rule which was understandable. As long as the current Big XII revenue sharing plan is in place, there's no way UT leaves the conference. I would like to think that my school will keep its options open just in case. :-) Let's just say that many Ohio State and Michigan fans came on our board last year offering us sponsorship in joining the Big Ten if ever needed. :-)