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Would be the final straw.

C-USA's days will be numbered if La Tech is added.

Schools like Memphis, USM, UAB, and ECU will not tolerate such a move.

UCF and Marshall will go in whatever direction the aforementioned schools go.

Our league will impload if La Tech is added. Hell, it may impload anyway.

So lets see if BB lets Cowen continue to lead him to disaster. Because Tulane will abandon BB if its hand is forced. So will UH.

So I dare BB to invite that school. Build your Sun Belt II. Then fiddle like Nero while the real programs make their travel plans.

Smack board is that way ------------->

3rd Ward...garbage in, garbage out. Were you one of those guys saying we should take a MAC powerhouse. If you were you have lost all credibility.

First, this post was not intended to be a flame. I'm not trashing La Tech. But I am discussing a VERY serious concern and addressing what I believe is a legitimate possibility. It's harsh, but its true.

Second, Tech...err...Coog, I find your comments concerning my "credibility" laughable at best.

For the past several months you have been on a non-stop PR campaign for La Tech. Your mission to promote La Tech at every given turn has DESTROYED your credibility. ALL your credibility. You have NONE left. NONE.

I have no agenda other than supporting what I believe is best for my favorite school (Southern Miss).

Yet you claim to be a Coog and you do NOTHING but promote La Tech 24/7, 365.

Am I the first to call you out on this? No. I'm not even the 15th.

So lay off the credibility attachs compadre. You have to actually HAVE credibility to challenge someone else's.

UH Alumni have stated their opinions about who to invite. The majority (a good amount of the majority at that) are against La. Tech.

If the addition or exclusion of one particular school can break a conference, then the issue is not the school.

CUSA must have some very serious problems if this particular scenario turns out to be true.

Wrong again 3rd ward...If you go back I also spoke up for UNT. In fact I mentioned the footprint on several occasions. The only reason La tech was mentioned is that they were a oft mentioned candidate. The whole MAC thing, on the other hand, was more smoke than fire and most of the smoke was off this board. In fact, how many times did Toledo say themselves they might not be able to afford the travel...the very same argument we were making. An argument obviously agreed to by our league leaders.

I believe it Real...err...OldCoog.

I absolutely do not believe that Top Coog is representative of your fan base. Heck, I don't even believe that he is a part of your fan base.

Well...you are right. C-USA does have VERY serious problems. It has poor leadership and has made TERRIBLE decisions.

The addition of La Tech would be just one of MANY terrible decisions. Decisions that will bring about the end of this league if our ship is not righted.

And I don't think BB has the ability to do it. I pray he proves me wrong.

TC definately thinks UH is the only one with travel expense concerns. What about Marshall, ECU, UCF, UAB, and Memphis. The MAC schools are closer to them than any of the Texas schools. Besides, UH wouldn't be bussing to La Tech or UTEP.

It's very possible that two factions could be forming or could easily form in CUSA...east and west...which is what 3rdWard alluded to. If the "reported" voting patterns are ture, than it could already be happening and NCUSA could very well be doomed from the start.

dont you folks get it ? if a USM person says something against LaTech then Tech Coog.....I mean Top Coog is going to disagree. So if you will start saying Tech is great then TC will say they suck & then we could agree


is it ever gonna end? :bang:

Anyone notice MGG disappered..... About the same time they said N. Texas had no shot.

No, HZ, you cannot be so lucky....

UNT has other fish to fry (locally and regionally) and this CUSA business was merely a minor detour on the map we are following for our future.

Also, we of NORTH TEXAS have kept the perspective that this is still not the Big 12 we are talking about here.

We are doing more than just fine. Probably have the best team of the Darrell Dickey era this Fall.

Peace....

Anyone notice Mr MGGs demeanor has changed. From "We will be C-USA choice, just wait and see" to "We really didn't wan't in your conf anyway, it was just a detour".




You're about annoying either way it goes.

You might be going to the WAC anyway and we will see how you are.

Going up against Boise every year

yes, i did - right after i noticed the cusa people go from claiming that toledo and/or miami-ohio would never turn a cusa invite down - to claiming they never wanted them anyway....

I'll give him this... only took him 45 minutes to answer the call. :)

Nope! Wrong again! I NEVER said we'd be the choice but merely said we'd be a good choice. READ & COMPREHEND! (comprende?)

After the SMU prez was directed by his 2 or 3 Big Donors to blackball UNT (once again) and to push for La Tech AND get all the other private schools to do the same; anyway, I thought our chances diminished.

Also, when the SMU prez then announced his favorite with (6 hours away from Dallas) La Tech as his preference in the Dallas Morning News, I figured that sealed it.

BUT....I really feel the straw that broke the camel's back with SMU on all this UNT thing was when CUSA consultant Chuck Neinas had 2 fabulous visits to our campus (which immediately got SMU's undivided attention) and then only after that SMU's Turner really dug into his behind the scenes politickin' with his fellow privates.

You see, when our officials told SMU officials we would have an interest in CUSA, at that time months ago, SMU officials told ours they would not get in our way on that endeavor. Guess you might say they changed their minds. I have a better choice of words for it but since this is a family oriented board. Yet the part of Texas I come from, they hang liars, cheats and thieves.

Also, HZ, I notice your demeanor hasn't changed at all. You are still the most revisionist poster on this board stretching the truth on things that were never said while still posting a whole bunch of other things on matters from other schools (not yours) of which you know little about or have no idea what you're talking about.

Peace....

If offered Huron Toledo wouldn't, since BB is an idiot and never put it on the table for them they didn't turn it down. Miami well they can sit in Oxford and rot for all I care. I don't care if the MAC falls down around them I would want C-USA to lock the doors on them. Make them go Indy or I-AA.

here at least - you're on to something.

i fully expect that unt will get a wac invite (not a big 12 one - wow, is that dillusional) and yes - playing boise state et al is going to have an impact on their conference record.

- but i would also argue that the wac is better after the re-alignment than before it largely because cusa ended up with several of their worst teams.

- and further, that cusa would have been better off in football if they had added unt rather than any one of the 3 wac schools they took.

marshall was the only coup in the cusa rebuild and any outsider that took notice at all knows it.

3861 posts later and still not a single literate sentence.

...going for the record?

Tulsa went to a bowl game last year and has been the top basketball program in the WAC over the past 8 years. I think C-USA will get their money's worth...

Im not starting on the N. Texas again, Ive already went through every N. Texas weakness in the book. I would rather have Kent State than N. Texas, Kent could most likely keep up with N. Texas in the SunBelt and atleast they can play basketball.

I think we just need to chill and let the ad's and prez's do their job.... then who ever they chose take them with open arms.... If its UTEP they bring some good things to the table than great.. If its La Tech... which fits our footprint than great.. the whole conference needs to work together to make all of the schools all they can be.

3rdWardEagle, I think it's worth pointing out (again) that major decisions are made by the presidents, not by the commissioner. I don't know where any of them stand, or even what the required margin for passage is, but I do know this: if 6 of the 11 presidents are adamantly opposed to adding LaTech (as you claim), then there is NO WAY they will be added.

One NORTH TEXAS weakness you didn't cover from both of our school's most recent football season is one where a common opponent Marshall and UNT both played had very different results for both of our schools, now didn't it? Hey! You started this N. Texas "thing" and on this thread if you will go back several posts to see unless you are going to deny that bit of truth, too.

QUALITY OF NORTH TEXAS FOOTBALL? Ask University of Memphis fans about the quality of NORTH TEXAS football. At least ask the ones who won't get into a smack mode on that question.

The Tigers beat us last December in the Big Easy but they did not overwhelmingly so. 3 plays in that game and you have a much, much closer game (perhaps even a different outcome) and many Memphis fans who were there and have watched the video of that NO's Bowl game would tell you that; yet, Memphis literally stomped a few CUSA schools last year in conference play now didn't they? No names mentioned--those schools know who they are.

But do you really think Kent St. would have given Memphis as close a game as the MEAN GREEN? Would Kent St. have beaten CUSA football co-champion University of Cincinatti the year NORTH TEXAS did in the NO's Bowl and in the very same year those very same Bearcats all but beat Ohio State? Cincy' also beat the other CUSA co-champion that same year.

You cannot understand, though, how MAC schools are just not a commodity in the Lone Star State; just like I'm sure Texas schools would not be to their fans. Nothing wrong with that, its just we are in totally different regions of the USA and is another reason why I doubt CUSA is finished playing musical chairs with its present and upcoming membership.

May I suggest to you, HZ, that a Kent State vs SMU game would easily draw less than 10,000 in Dallas, Texas? Wouldn't do much better in Denton, Texas, for that matter. Unfortunately, most of the non BCS schools in Texas only have good attendance numbers against teams their fans are familiar. Not a good modus operendi with such a philosophy from those kind of non BCS Texas college fans but its just a fact of life down here. It's the reason a Marshall vs SMU game in Dallas (University Park, Texas, actually) will not draw unless a whole bunch of tickets are given away.

I have not objected to UTEP as CUSA's choice (if they are) as they are ahead of the pack in football and basketball attendance. FWIW, they are dramatically ahead of most of the schools coming to CUSA in about a year.

Don't know how many years in the future the Miners will be bowl elgible based on their last 25 years, but since a future CUSA school's potential to be bowl elgible is hardly mentioned on the league's list of criteria any longer I am sure it doesn't matter with your officials. BUT...the Miners sure have a whole bunch of fans who have watched their teams lose a lot of football games and I'll give 'em that.

If voted in by CUSA presidents, UTEP will make a fine addition to CUSA albeit a bit of a stretch geographically. How much will it cost Marshall's volleyball team to fly to El Paso for a 40 minute match? And women's softball?

Don't unpack all your bags yet, HZ.

What you are missing is that one of your group that can't tolerate it MUST vote for tech for tech to get admitted (we know marshall and ucf won't). Therefore, if yoiu can't tolerate it, they aren't coming in and if they do come in, you can tolerate it.

FWIW, I can't tolerate it either.

Do you any proof that might legitimze your claims ... :rolleyes: ?

I, for one, am sick & tired of all the La Tech bashing.

Under the circumstances, they are the only institution that I would give serious consideration too if the conference is seriously looking at going to twelve (i.e., championship).

I'm sorry guys but IMO, UTEP gets a thumbs over travel expenses and North Texas hasn't done a darn thing to distinguish itself in my opinion.

Granted Women's B'Ball is not a cash cow when it comes to athletic budgets, but you don't see the SEC, Big East, or ACC trashing it! You throw in an addition Bowl Alliance and this looks like a "NO BRAINER" to me. :bang:

Well I'm not going to trash La Tech. But 3rd Ward is right to a degree the CUSA do have some serious issues at hand. That is why it's so important to bring in the right member for CUSA overall. Yes travel and georgraphy is part of the process but so is competitiveness and the attractiveness of a school is another. And probably a bunch of other things.

I like UTEP but lets say they do a phenominal job in CUSA, you don't think the MWC would come a calling if they decide to go to 12 teams and UTEP would be outta here in a flash. You don't have that worry with La Tech. Plus La Tech would be great for schools like USM, Tulane and Houston from a travel point.

But I still like UTEP because of their untap market, large population and they are the only game in town. Imagine going to El Paso in seeing CUSA billboards. Something that CUSA cities need to do more is promote CUSA. We are terrible at that.

UTEP is a hidden gem as far as I'm concern. But I wouldn't have a problem with La Tech either.

No No No!

I honestly don't think UTEP ever goes back into a conference with the MWC unless it is a last resort.

Frankly, the wounds still run real deep from the split.

If UTEP goes to CUSA they will not leave CUSA for the MWC unless CUSA has had major defections and is on its last leg.

UTEP has never left a conference. If they go to CUSA, this would be the first time they ever have. :)

The only conference that UTEP would leave CUSA for would be a BCS conference (PAC 10 or Big 12) and I don't see that happening in my lifetime. (The MWC is not even close to being a BCS conference! :rofl: )

If the MWC ever invites UTEP to join, the Miners will be on that invitation like a mountain lion on a newborn rabbit. It wouldn't take as long as the TCU ordeal I guarantee you.

You got that right!! If the MWC invited them next week or two years from now, all CUSA would see is the dust left by UTEP heading that direction!! I wish the MWC would offer right now along with a CUSA offer and all of you would see where their loyalties will lie!!! That decision would take about five minutes for UTEP! Put that up for a vote on the UTEP board and see where their fans stand???

It was put up on the board several months ago.

The options were:

Stay in the WAC?
Go to CUSA?
Go to MWC?

The results were:

20% favored to stay in the WAC
60% favored to go to CUSA
20% favored to go to MWC


You La Tech guys can say it all you want, but you just don't know the situation. Let me repeat it for you. UTEP will not go back with the MWC unless it is a last resort.

I advise you all to check out our board at <a href='http://utep.rivals.com' target='_blank'>http://utep.rivals.com</a> if you want to know what UTEP fans think. The Tech fans are desperate and are making outright false claims about the conference UTEP fans prefer. If you want to know what we think, go straight to the source instead of asking Louisiana Tech.

True, but remember we were without our top 2 RBs that game. It could have been a lot uglier as well.

Personally, I'd like a more basketball oriented school for the 12th pick, in which case Kent State wouldn't be a bad choice, but they aren't under consideration.

La Tech would be an outstanding choice for CUSA, especially if they would bring the Independence Bowl with them. Tulane vs La Tech would be a tremendous series.

The only person I've seen claim that is TopCoog...and he definately doesn't speak for even a small minority of CUSA fans.

...but they never would have turned down an invite, because invites aren't given until everything has been worked out.

I think many in CUSA would see the addition of MAC schools as something you do if you have no choice. If UTEP, La Tech and UNT said no, which wouldn't happen, then you go to Toledo. It's clear they were considered as a courtsey and I have seen no compelling evidence they were seriously considered.

La Tech has absolutely nothing to do with the Independence Bowl or the stadium itself. How do you think they could "bring the Independence Bowl with them"? That bowl has been around for a long time and in fact I dont think Tech has even been invited there more than once, sometime back in early l980's or so.

In 1989 the Independence Bowl was essentially bankrupt. In 1990 Louisiana Tech set the new Independence Bowl attendance record (48,325 fans) vs Maryland. Per the Shreveport Times 3k were U. of Maryland fans.

Then why hasn't Tulane played Tech more than once in 60 years?

Is Dickson that blind that he passes on something tremendous? Don't need a league in order to play?

Tech bringing the INdy bowl?

TEch C-USA's first choice?

Sounds like a tech fan dressed in green.

Fine

Tech will still be available at that time, as well as several sunbelt schools which will have improved by then. The pickings will be improved.

Perhaps it's because Dickson knows that Louisiana Tech recruits the same area as Tulane and S. Miss.

However, Scott Cowen will not let Tulane athletics drain the school's budget. That's why the President of Tulane wants Louisiana Tech even though his Athletics Director would rather schedule weaker opponents home & home like Louisiana-Monroe.

Don't forget about the 20,000-25,000 plus I-Bowl Season Ticket Holders/Civic Groups/Chamber Groups, etc...in Shreveport that buy Bowl Tickets every year.

Yes, it was a great moment for LA Tech...but just like every bowl...local bowls have community support that buy tickets every year, well in advance of who plays in the Bowl.

KL

I can say this: Tech needs CUSA more than CUSA needs Tech.

Sorry fellow Tech fans, but you know that is true.

That said, I really don't believe that Tech will cause CUSA to implode if invited. I certainly remember Fresno State fans up on their high horse back in 1999 making the same claims about adding Tech. Funny thing, it was Rice, SMU, and Tulsa that has disturbed the WAC's current situation. The current 10-school WAC has done just fine, considering all the crapola it has had to deal with. Nevada and Tech placed WAC schools in both Sweet 16s, Rice is defending NC in baseball, and the WAC has gone 5-2 in bowls the past two seasons. Yep, Tech really caused the WAC to implode.

Like I stated, Tech needs the CUSA invite. Else every year our game vs. UNT will be deciding who gets to go to the N.O. Bowl.

BTW, last time I checked, we Techies are not carrying typhoid fever or some other deadly disease. Nothing horrible will happen to you.

Yes 20-25K, but not 48K. That's the point.

It was a great night for college football. I really enjoyed that one.

Thought when we fell behind quickly 14-0 it was gonna be a long night, but you can't keep a good passing team down for long.

I also agree.

I think as long as CUSA goes to 12 Teams....almost anyone would be a great fit to CUSA.

It just might be that the Presidents might have 2-3 teams to choose from.

Every single one has advantages over the other.

The Conf would benefit by adding a 12th team so they can have a Champ Game.

ANY team that gets invited into the CUSA...should/will be accepted with open arms by most.

KL

I completely agree. CUSA does not need Tech, but Tech needs CUSA. CUSA only needs another team. Hopefully our AD and Pres made enough of an impression to warrant an invitation by the CUSA presidents.

sorry LaTech brings little to CUSA........it will be UTEP or stay at 11........if LaTech is forced in the bigger schools Memphis, ECU,Marshall, USM,UCF, Houston and perhaps the powers in the Mac(+ maby Temple) will strongly concider a move together.abandoning the private schools in the west. we in the east would explore this. CUSA would blow up in BBs face...........the big schools would leave and form a new conference if the little schools force this. it will become very clear(the big schools) don't want a dog like LaTech. it we be UTEP!!!!!!!!!

And I'll bring up again exactly why that won't happen. Because for La Tech to get into C-USA in the first place, several of those schools you list would have to VOTE FOR La Tech.

If having Tech in the league is so unpalatable to those schools, then they'll just vote against La Tech and they won't be admitted. Simple as that. End of story.

So everybody knock off with the "everybody will bolt if ___ is added" because you're only proving that you can't add...

Yep, its a conspiracy!

JFK was killed by the mafia, there are UFOs landing nightly at Area 51, the Jews planned and executed the 9/11 attacks, and BB is secretly out to chase off the eastern schools.

Give someone enough rope, and they will hang themselves with it. Got enough yet?