1st. I am elated to know that he will play for my Pacers. Hopefully he will be a proud pacer with likes of Reggie Miller, Rik Smits, Dale & Antonio Davis, Derrick McKey, Mark Jackson et al.
2nd. I cannot completely fault Mr. Williams for his poor command of the English language both spoken and written. Unfortunately, our society values entertainment over education, on average those in the professional entertainment field make vastly more than those in the educational fields. For Mr. Williams he made the most logical business decision for himself at an early age. I can spend countless hours to attain a degree and struggle to make $30,000 out of college or I can devalue education and try to perfect my basketball skills to make 1,000,000 out of college. It?s a gamble, like anything else, but the payoff is worth the risk. List is all about cost vs. benefit. Mr. Williams problem is not entirely his own, but a societal flaw.
Quote:List is all about cost vs. benefit. Mr. Williams problem is not entirely his own, but a societal flaw.
I meant life instead of list.
Quote:When you go to school with Coach Cal, you are going to have summer jobs and you are gonna get paid a good enough amount of money to be comfortable during the year.
If he would have gone to UAT he could afford an Escalade with their "Student Athelete Job" program......
Blazersyx Wrote:1st. I am elated to know that he will play for my Pacers. Hopefully he will be a proud pacer with likes of Reggie Miller, Rik Smits, Dale & Antonio Davis, Derrick McKey, Mark Jackson et al.
2nd. I cannot completely fault Mr. Williams for his poor command of the English language both spoken and written. Unfortunately, our society values entertainment over education, on average those in the professional entertainment field make vastly more than those in the educational fields. For Mr. Williams he made the most logical business decision for himself at an early age. I can spend countless hours to attain a degree and struggle to make $30,000 out of college or I can devalue education and try to perfect my basketball skills to make 1,000,000 out of college. It?s a gamble, like anything else, but the payoff is worth the risk. List is all about cost vs. benefit. Mr. Williams problem is not entirely his own, but a societal flaw.
We are talking about his command of the English language. You are talking about his decision to drop out of college to go pro. Those are two different things.
Williams did not attend class for most of his senior year at the Memphis high school he attended. Yet he continued to play ball. That was his decision and was not monetarily influenced. Sure he was young, but a lot of other kids his age attended class. You don't blame society because some punk basketball player thinks his skillz are too goo to waste in a high school classroom.
Is it better to say, I is rich or I am poor?
UAB4EVER Wrote:Is it better to say, I is rich or I am poor?
that's deep man...deep!
BlazerMatt Wrote:UAB4EVER Wrote:Is it better to say, I is rich or I am poor?
that's deep man...deep!
His real name is Jack Handey.
UAB4EVER Wrote:Is it better to say, I is rich or I am poor?
Please explain how skipping his senior year of high school classes made him financially better off. I am not faulting his skipping college for the money in the pros.
UAB4EVER Wrote:Is it better to say, I is rich or I am poor?
There are more options:
I is dead.
I is in jail cause I is too stupid to collect a fat paycheck.
I is on da street cause I blew my knee out during my first season and wasted all my money.
I am not faulting the kid for going pro. I am faulting him for being dumb. Yes, dumb people can play basketball also. If his basketball career is over early, he can get a job with Mermphis Sanitation.
I simply asked a question, I didn't make a statement of how I felt about the entire situation. I am big on education and don't believe there is a substitute but for the most part we attend college so that we may obtain jobs that leads to financial stability, he will receive at least a $3,000,000 contract, I say he learned well.
Yes, I know there is more to an education than financial but most of us would prefer wealth to poverty. This world is filled with uneducated millionairs, and contrary to popular belief, they don't all play sports. Just because you don't speak the Queens English doesn't doom you to life on the streets or in jail, Mr. BTR. I also know for a fact that there are some well speaking, hihgly educated poor people. There are no guarantees in life just proper preparation meeting ample opportunity. Mr. William prepared to be a basketball player and Indiana has given him an opportunity to benefit from it.
UAB4EVER Wrote:I simply asked a question, I didn't make a statement of how I felt about the entire situation. I am big on education and don't believe there is a substitute but for the most part we attend college so that we may obtain jobs that leads to financial stability, he will receive at least a $3,000,000 contract, I say he learned well.
Yes, I know there is more to an education than financial but most of us would prefer wealth to poverty. This world is filled with uneducated millionairs, and contrary to popular belief, they don't all play sports. Just because you don't speak the Queens English doesn't doom you to life on the streets or in jail, Mr. BTR. I also know for a fact that there are some well speaking, hihgly educated poor people. There are no guarantees in life just proper preparation meeting ample opportunity. Mr. William prepared to be a basketball player and Indiana has given him an opportunity to benefit from it.
out of that $3mil his agent will get 10%, the government will get about half, and he'll probably piss the other half away.
the only uneducated millionaires are the ones who win the lottery. if you're referring to millionaires without college degrees, more than likely those people were smart enough to design/invent/develop something to make them money. having a college degree doesnt necessarily make you educated.
dfarr Wrote:having a college degree doesnt necessarily make you educated.
Read as: BlazerSax! lol
j/k with ya
My original argument was the overall devalue of education. I am sure that as a high school senior there was someone there this did not discourage his lack of school attendance as long as he produced on the basketball court. If there were more of an emphasis on his education vs. interest in what he could do for his team then he might have had a reason to get inspired to do better in school.
If you would take off your blinders and realize the whole issue at hand versus a small compartment then you might be able to better understand the more prominent issue and be able to effect positive change in the world. However if you prefer to denigrate the young man because of a relatively foolish choice then that is on you. However, he is doing better than the both of us combined . . .despite our education or lack thereof.
Quote:someone there this did not discourage
Darnit me and those typos. Sorry, I meant someone there that did not discourage. . .
BhamHoosier Wrote:dfarr Wrote:having a college degree doesnt necessarily make you educated.
Read as: BlazerSax! lol
j/k with ya
he doesnt have a degree.
UAB4EVER Wrote:I simply asked a question, I didn't make a statement of how I felt about the entire situation. I am big on education and don't believe there is a substitute but for the most part we attend college so that we may obtain jobs that leads to financial stability, he will receive at least a $3,000,000 contract, I say he learned well.
Yes, I know there is more to an education than financial but most of us would prefer wealth to poverty. This world is filled with uneducated millionairs, and contrary to popular belief, they don't all play sports. Just because you don't speak the Queens English doesn't doom you to life on the streets or in jail, Mr. BTR. I also know for a fact that there are some well speaking, hihgly educated poor people. There are no guarantees in life just proper preparation meeting ample opportunity. Mr. William prepared to be a basketball player and Indiana has given him an opportunity to benefit from it.
The point of my post is that you can find lots of "pros" who are broke. I would also go for the money right now but the difference is that I actually have enough education that I could go back to college if I blew my knew out. I could get a job somewhere outside of basketball. This kid doesn't seem to have a hope if it isn't in basketball. He could easily end up dead or in jail if something doesn't work out with basketball. The point of the original post had nothing to do with his education, it was with how players who play for Coach Cal have good summer jobs and do not hurt for money during college. Considering I can't stand pro basketball, this is much more important to me than whether or not some kid makes it in the NBA or not.
Maybe he will spend some of his millions and get some education.
Blazersyx Wrote:My original argument was the overall devalue of education. I am sure that as a high school senior there was someone there this did not discourage his lack of school attendance as long as he produced on the basketball court. If there were more of an emphasis on his education vs. interest in what he could do for his team then he might have had a reason to get inspired to do better in school.
If you would take off your blinders and realize the whole issue at hand versus a small compartment then you might be able to better understand the more prominent issue and be able to effect positive change in the world. However if you prefer to denigrate the young man because of a relatively foolish choice then that is on you. However, he is doing better than the both of us combined . . .despite our education or lack thereof.
So, in your opinion, he is not to be held accountable at all. It is all on someone else whether he attended class at all. A lot of problems might be solved if people started being accountable for themselves instead of blaming others for their failures.
If i may be allowed to quote myself, please reference these two excerpts Memphis Blazer
Quote:I cannot completely fault Mr. Williams for his poor command of the English language both spoken and written. Unfortunately, our society values entertainment over education
and
Quote:Mr. Williams problem is not entirely his own, but a societal flaw
My argument is not that he shouldn't be blamed for his actions, but that he should not be solely blamed. Remember, this is high school we are talking about. He is still a child, not old enough to vote, drink and recently here in AL drive. He is a dependent for all intents and purposes. He should not be the one making decisions that will affect the rest of his life at that juncture. My parents were highly active in my decision making process well into my college years. (especially since they paid the bill!)
Now the question of accountability . . .that is where I agree with you. We ALL must be accountable for our actions, not only when we do something wrong, but we must be accountable to do something right! Accountability is a two way street. I am accountable to you. I should not allow you to make a decision that could be detrimental to the rest of your life. If I notice you are about to make a mistake, it is on me to attempt to correct. That is all I am saying.
As far as the eye can see, there is still a whole lot more to be seen!
dfarr Wrote:UAB4EVER Wrote:I simply asked a question, I didn't make a statement of how I felt about the entire situation. I am big on education and don't believe there is a substitute but for the most part we attend college so that we may obtain jobs that leads to financial stability, he will receive at least a $3,000,000 contract, I say he learned well.
Yes, I know there is more to an education than financial but most of us would prefer wealth to poverty. This world is filled with uneducated millionairs, and contrary to popular belief, they don't all play sports. Just because you don't speak the Queens English doesn't doom you to life on the streets or in jail, Mr. BTR. I also know for a fact that there are some well speaking, hihgly educated poor people. There are no guarantees in life just proper preparation meeting ample opportunity. Mr. William prepared to be a basketball player and Indiana has given him an opportunity to benefit from it.
out of that $3mil his agent will get 10%, the government will get about half, and he'll probably piss the other half away.
the only uneducated millionaires are the ones who win the lottery. if you're referring to millionaires without college degrees, more than likely those people were smart enough to design/invent/develop something to make them money. having a college degree doesnt necessarily make you educated.
I didn't think I would have to spell it out for you. We are discussing attending classes in high school and a lack of a college degree so one would assume that in that context being educated refers to obtaining a college degree. Futhermore, for the most part 'educated people' in today's society refers to someone who has obtained formal training. Now intelligence, on the other hand, doesn't require formal training and therefore you could be either, neither, or both.
It appears I have derailed a topic and forced our diligent moderators to separate this thread. I was only expressing my view that this situation seems to be a microcosm of what goes on in society. I hope that I am not being tabbed as being belligerent or militant.
I think that several of us contributed to the derailment. It probably would have be left but evidence of Memphis compensating their players deserves to be front and center without distraction.
lmfao lmfao lmfao
Blazersyx Wrote:Quote:someone there this did not discourage
Darnit me and those typos. Sorry, I meant someone there that did not discourage. . .
Dude. Just hit the edit button and fix it, you don't have to repost and correct it every time you mistype.
I don't understand why this was split. It was a fairly civil discourse even with UAB4EVer and me involved in it. It wasn't really a derailment either since we were talking about Shawne Williams.
Thank you UAb band Dad, in case u didn?t notice I AM NEW at this. So, I believe I am entitled to a few rookie mistakes. However, thanks for the advice.
Blazersyx Wrote:Thank you UAb band Dad, in case u didn?t notice I AM NEW at this. So, I believe I am entitled to a few rookie mistakes. However, thanks for the advice.
Don't worry Blazersyx, the only reason Bandad know about the edit button is that he has to use it so often
woohoo, thanks shelby co. I am glad to know that I was not the only one on this board that is imperfect. I was beginning to worry. hahaha. its all fun and games. . .recreational you know. Go shelbyco and Go Blazers