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Bledsoe dominated their game tonight, with 24pts, 7rb and 4a
Cousins had 7pt,4rb

the guys on espn are in love with Wall. Its really is a bit much

The game was on ESPNU. I watched a few minutes of it. Cousins looked to be pouting most of the game I saw.
I don't hate that he is not playing for UAB.
I would have liked to see Bledsoe playing for UAB though.

Got to admit, the kid can really play.

No offense to anyone, but can we please quit reporting on the two recruits that didn't come to UAB. The Bledsoe/Cousins threads are getting a bit unimportant.

(11-13-2009 09:52 PM)scales Wrote: [ -> ]No offense to anyone, but can we please quit reporting on the two recruits that didn't come to UAB. The Bledsoe/Cousins threads are getting a bit unimportant.

If you felt that way, what compelled you to open the thread that was titled Bledsoe/Cousins

(11-13-2009 10:09 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-13-2009 09:52 PM)scales Wrote: [ -> ]No offense to anyone, but can we please quit reporting on the two recruits that didn't come to UAB. The Bledsoe/Cousins threads are getting a bit unimportant.

If you felt that way, what compelled you to open the thread that was titled Bledsoe/Cousins

I thought that someone finally posted something similar to what I did.

They didn't, so I felt compelled to do so.

by stating that you dont like a thread, it moves that thread back to the top, which makes more people read it, and more people more likely to comment. if everybody just ignored the threads they thought were dumb, those threads would quickly go away. many of us keep threads alive by posting that we want the thread to go away

(11-13-2009 10:21 PM)LairDweller Wrote: [ -> ]by stating that you dont like a thread, it moves that thread back to the top, which makes more people read it, and more people more likely to comment. if everybody just ignored the threads they thought were dumb, those threads would quickly go away. many of us keep threads alive by posting that we want the thread to go away

http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=397824

Thanks for the explaination and moving it promptly back as the top thread. Let's see what 12 year old girl who just learned to text her friend realizes how to say goodbye on a thread.

Oops...hope it's not me.

bump

Hope Bleadsoe's mom likes her new job. Wonder what the car looks like.

(11-13-2009 11:43 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote: [ -> ]Hope Bleadsoe's mom likes her new job. Wonder what the car looks like.

It's Kentucky blue.

By the way scales, Tamir Jackson played 24 minutes and went 1-8 with 5 assists in Rice's 30 point win tonight.

David Murray was 1 of 1 for 2pts and also grabbed 1 rebound in 4 minutes for MTSU

... and Jeremy Mayfield had 11 pts, 9 rebounds, 2 fouls, 1 assist, 2 turnovers, 1 block, and 3 steals in 17 minutes of action in Texas Wesleyan's 119-60 win over Southwestern Adventist tonight.

OK, so he's not one of those recruits who didn't come to UAB, but someone out there might be interested.

Bledsoe is going to be great. It was really painful to watch that and know he was so close to being here. And you're right, ESPN is all over John Wall, but rightfully so. That kid is unbelievable. Don't be surprised if he's the best player to come out of college basketball in a long time. When they said he's probably the best player from coast to coast, they were pretty much spot on. Him being eligible made my decision for my preseason pick to win it all.

My ex-girlfriend probably got boned pretty hard tonight. FWIW...

(11-13-2009 10:09 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-13-2009 09:52 PM)scales Wrote: [ -> ]No offense to anyone, but can we please quit reporting on the two recruits that didn't come to UAB. The Bledsoe/Cousins threads are getting a bit unimportant.

If you felt that way, what compelled you to open the thread that was titled Bledsoe/Cousins

DAAAAAAAMN!!! Screw em'all, Well at least you didn't have them signed before they bolted! lol

I like hotpockets.

i heard we had bledsoe wrapped up, but due to our apr hits and such, the staff was told by the administration you can't sign him..... i always thought of uk as a potential trade for a acc school to the sec (like a clemson & fsu for uk and vandy thought with vandy and uk being more hoops minded and ACADEMICALLY a little better than their sec brethren).... looks like uab was holding bledsoe to a higher standard than uk...... if that's true it is tragic and i have it from a pretty good souce that we couldn't get him because of our troubles ---
troubles that we brought upon ourselves no less...

The biggest problems with Bledsoe had nothing to do with his grades or our APR. Bledsoe was marginal, and there was a *lot* of dirt around his recruiting. Remember Calipari and the stuff he was up to that got Memphis in hot water? What makes you think that he and Worldwide Wes changed their business plan when they changed shades of blue clothes?

From everything I hear, Bledsoe is a good kid who came from difficult circumstances. All my best to him, but there were people around him who had their own best interests and not his in mind. I'd have liked to have him out there playing for us, because the kid can flat play, but at least I know we won't have to be looking over our shoulder with regard to his recruiting.

(11-14-2009 07:17 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote: [ -> ]The biggest problems with Bledsoe had nothing to do with his grades or our APR. Bledsoe was marginal, and there was a *lot* of dirt around his recruiting. Remember Calipari and the stuff he was up to that got Memphis in hot water? What makes you think that he and Worldwide Wes changed their business plan when they changed shades of blue clothes?

From everything I hear, Bledsoe is a good kid who came from difficult circumstances. All my best to him, but there were people around him who had their own best interests and not his in mind. I'd have liked to have him out there playing for us, because the kid can flat play, but at least I know we won't have to be looking over our shoulder with regard to his recruiting.

+1

Kentucky won't have to worry either because the NCAA won't touch them.

(11-14-2009 07:17 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote: [ -> ]The biggest problems with Bledsoe had nothing to do with his grades or our APR. Bledsoe was marginal, and there was a *lot* of dirt around his recruiting. Remember Calipari and the stuff he was up to that got Memphis in hot water? What makes you think that he and Worldwide Wes changed their business plan when they changed shades of blue clothes?

From everything I hear, Bledsoe is a good kid who came from difficult circumstances. All my best to him, but there were people around him who had their own best interests and not his in mind. I'd have liked to have him out there playing for us, because the kid can flat play, but at least I know we won't have to be looking over our shoulder with regard to his recruiting.

I saw him to at least 10 times last year sitting behing the UAB bench

(11-13-2009 09:52 PM)scales Wrote: [ -> ]No offense to anyone, but can we please quit reporting on the two recruits that didn't come to UAB. The Bledsoe/Cousins threads are getting a bit unimportant.

So much was made about them before it was known they weren't coming to the Southside, though. Like it or not there's a self-built interest in them. You can bet your bottom dollar someone would notice if either were involved in a controversy.

(11-14-2009 07:17 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote: [ -> ]The biggest problems with Bledsoe had nothing to do with his grades or our APR. Bledsoe was marginal, and there was a *lot* of dirt around his recruiting. Remember Calipari and the stuff he was up to that got Memphis in hot water? What makes you think that he and Worldwide Wes changed their business plan when they changed shades of blue clothes?

From everything I hear, Bledsoe is a good kid who came from difficult circumstances. All my best to him, but there were people around him who had their own best interests and not his in mind. I'd have liked to have him out there playing for us, because the kid can flat play, but at least I know we won't have to be looking over our shoulder with regard to his recruiting.

since when have we been a such a selective program (ie Duke)??? if he is a good kid and goes for 24 for uk in their opener, then i'll be ****** if we shouldn't have signed him.... there is more to this story and it stinks...

it's not like we are the Princeton of the south, last time i checked our rosters from our 30 years we have had more than our fair share of characters and kids with a little baggage. like you said doesn't make them a "bad kid" - so sign 'em up!!!!!

(11-14-2009 10:45 PM)pastblaz Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-14-2009 07:17 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote: [ -> ]The biggest problems with Bledsoe had nothing to do with his grades or our APR. Bledsoe was marginal, and there was a *lot* of dirt around his recruiting. Remember Calipari and the stuff he was up to that got Memphis in hot water? What makes you think that he and Worldwide Wes changed their business plan when they changed shades of blue clothes?

From everything I hear, Bledsoe is a good kid who came from difficult circumstances. All my best to him, but there were people around him who had their own best interests and not his in mind. I'd have liked to have him out there playing for us, because the kid can flat play, but at least I know we won't have to be looking over our shoulder with regard to his recruiting.

since when have we been a such a selective program (ie Duke)??? if he is a good kid and goes for 24 for uk in their opener, then i'll be ****** if we shouldn't have signed him.... there is more to this story and it stinks...

it's not like we are the Princeton of the south, last time i checked our rosters from our 30 years we have had more than our fair share of characters and kids with a little baggage. like you said doesn't make them a "bad kid" - so sign 'em up!!!!!

It's because he was an academic question mark if Davis was told he couldn't sign him. We CANNOT have any more APR hits - Period. Sure he can get eligible at Kentucky. My cat could get eligible at Kentucky or Memphis with Calipari leading the way, but he flunks out at UAB, and it's the same ole same ole. We need to be selective academically and actually have a degree from UAB mean something.

(11-14-2009 10:49 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-14-2009 10:45 PM)pastblaz Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-14-2009 07:17 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote: [ -> ]The biggest problems with Bledsoe had nothing to do with his grades or our APR. Bledsoe was marginal, and there was a *lot* of dirt around his recruiting. Remember Calipari and the stuff he was up to that got Memphis in hot water? What makes you think that he and Worldwide Wes changed their business plan when they changed shades of blue clothes?

From everything I hear, Bledsoe is a good kid who came from difficult circumstances. All my best to him, but there were people around him who had their own best interests and not his in mind. I'd have liked to have him out there playing for us, because the kid can flat play, but at least I know we won't have to be looking over our shoulder with regard to his recruiting.

since when have we been a such a selective program (ie Duke)??? if he is a good kid and goes for 24 for uk in their opener, then i'll be ****** if we shouldn't have signed him.... there is more to this story and it stinks...

it's not like we are the Princeton of the south, last time i checked our rosters from our 30 years we have had more than our fair share of characters and kids with a little baggage. like you said doesn't make them a "bad kid" - so sign 'em up!!!!!

It's because he was an academic question mark if Davis was told he couldn't sign him. We CANNOT have any more APR hits - Period. Sure he can get eligible at Kentucky. My cat could get eligible at Kentucky or Memphis with Calipari leading the way, but he flunks out at UAB, and it's the same ole same ole. We need to be selective academically and actually have a degree from UAB mean something.

if we (meaning the administration) are ready to go down that road, i have a bad feeling we are not going to enjoy the success that we have had in the past.....
play out the senario of a (non gene bartow) led uab team signing high academic and high athlete level players - generally you are going to give on one of the 2 unless you are the super elite programs or have a super elite coach (see bartow above)....
i can't even think of who we would become, samford??? i am not sure a lot of the kids at a samford would trade their gig for the uab gig...
we generally have signed kids that we took chances on and they bought into the program and betterd themselves and UAB hoops in the process, but some times they buck the system, but we can't quit recruiting kids that might have some baggage or else get ready for the next 30 years to be a lot different from the first 30.....

Davis was recruiting players who had no business being in school (Mayfield) and it hurt us.
Players who refuse to go to class and can't read is not the kind of baggage we need. I never want to rely on that type of player. Davis recruited at a higher level than any previous coach. The problem was and is that the only players he had shots at were players who had no business being in school. Then on the other hand, he lets players like Tamir Jackson get away to Rice of all places. No other coach had to deal with the APR. Gene Bartow and Mike Anderson was able to take the "diamonds in the rough" and develop and coach them. Davis does not have that skill. He must recruit the top of the line to be successful, and those players are not going to sail through school without at least some success in academics.

If we have to cheat academically to be successful, I would rather have losing seasons.

These ultra-tight standards are temporary. We'll weather the storm and return things back to normal (i.e., normal for UAB...not normal as defined in the early Davis period). We're still signing some excellent players if you haven't noticed...

Davis brought in a number of recruits who either could not or were unwilling to do the work to perform at a university academic level, even with all the academic assistance that could be brought to bear. There were players that were only eligible because they went to Prep Schools (basketball factories) who got them eligible. The aftermath of our signing players like Mayfield, Keenan Ellis, T-Rod, and others has left us in a position where APR hits gnaw at us, and moreover if UAB does not make a visible and concerted effort to get and stay clean we'd be looking at real, sure 'nuff NCAA sanctions. The kind that make headlines. Moreover, we need to do what it takes to put the scholarship and practice limitations of our APR punishment behind us.

First off, I'm not willing to sacrifice our ethical standing and our academics to win. If you are, go pull for bammer, you'll fit right in. I'm not talking about helping an athlete who is marginal scholastically stay eligible, I'm talking about being willing to subvert the system, to cheat. Everybody takes athletes who are not Rhodes Scholars, but when they simply can't make the grades to stay on the floor, something is badly wrong with your recruiting. The easy example is Mayfield, who in his years here was eligible to play one semester. One.

Second, with regard to Bledsoe and Cousins, there were reputed issues with their recruiting and people around it that were flat out dirty, illegal, things that if proven would force the NCAA to sanction even an untouchable like Kentucky hoops. Let Calipari roll the dice on keeping a lid on that crap, and take the splash damage if any of it ever spills. If it does, UAB won't be taking the punishment that results, and we'll still be fans of a school we can be proud of.

(11-14-2009 11:09 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote: [ -> ]Davis was recruiting players who had no business being in school (Mayfield) and it hurt us.
Players who refuse to go to class and can't read is not the kind of baggage we need. I never want to rely on that type of player. Davis recruited at a higher level than any previous coach. The problem was and is that the only players he had shots at were players who had no business being in school. Then on the other hand, he lets players like Tamir Jackson get away to Rice of all places. No other coach had to deal with the APR. Gene Bartow and Mike Anderson was able to take the "diamonds in the rough" and develop and coach them. Davis does not have that skill. He must recruit the top of the line to be successful, and those players are not going to sail through school without at least some success in academics.

If we have to cheat academically to be successful, I would rather have losing seasons.

yeah - never really understood the tamir jackson thing --- almost seemed like we backed away from him, like he wasn't good enough or something.... maybe it was the other way around..

I hope you guys are right about temporary and things can change back for the good in the future....

if you remember back in the bartow years (the prop 48 period) we always were getting a prop or 2 and hoping we could get them to buy in and many instances they did and became respectable student-athletes...so if a legend has to sign questionable students in order to get guys who can make it to the sweet 16 - you know we will have to keep doing that with our current non diamond producing staff....

i understand you saying you would rather lose - but most people would rather go to the sweet 16 (how about final 4 with augman, johnson, hunt , anthony etc..) sounds alot like kentucky at present or memphis the last few years.....there is generally a trade off somewhere - so if you are going to compete then bring it....

i bet as long as we didn't end up with the death penalty or something very very harsh most of us would love to be in the final four even if we had to take some chances....you included MB

also - there is a difference in cold blooded buying players cheating vs. taking chances on academics and making sure you work with the player in academic guidance...... granted tougher now days to take the chances given the apr set up, but coaches get paid a lot of money to make sure they can pull these things off....

Some are shrewder at judging who they recruit than others. Some coaches are unscrupulous about how they acquire talent.

There is a big difference between the two.

(11-14-2009 11:26 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote: [ -> ]Davis brought in a number of recruits who either could not or were unwilling to do the work to perform at a university academic level, even with all the academic assistance that could be brought to bear. There were players that were only eligible because they went to Prep Schools (basketball factories) who got them eligible. The aftermath of our signing players like Mayfield, Keenan Ellis, T-Rod, and others has left us in a position where APR hits gnaw at us, and moreover if UAB does not make a visible and concerted effort to get and stay clean we'd be looking at real, sure 'nuff NCAA sanctions. The kind that make headlines. Moreover, we need to do what it takes to put the scholarship and practice limitations of our APR punishment behind us.

First off, I'm not willing to sacrifice our ethical standing and our academics to win. If you are, go pull for bammer, you'll fit right in. I'm not talking about helping an athlete who is marginal scholastically stay eligible, I'm talking about being willing to subvert the system, to cheat. Everybody takes athletes who are not Rhodes Scholars, but when they simply can't make the grades to stay on the floor, something is badly wrong with your recruiting. The easy example is Mayfield, who in his years here was eligible to play one semester. One.

Second, with regard to Bledsoe and Cousins, there were reputed issues with their recruiting and people around it that were flat out dirty, illegal, things that if proven would force the NCAA to sanction even an untouchable like Kentucky hoops. Let Calipari roll the dice on keeping a lid on that crap, and take the splash damage if any of it ever spills. If it does, UAB won't be taking the punishment that results, and we'll still be fans of a school we can be proud of.

if memory serves me - chris mills and cash - shawn kemp - rex leaving early (UK was going to be strong if they had pulled it off) all swirled into a firestorm of UK probation - so they are not untouchable......

the point i am making is not that we should be cheaters - it is that, as a coach, you can put in the time, system and discipline to make sure your players go to class make grades and stay eligible or else this isn't the place for them. Make sure they know that on the front end and have a system in place that is a path where they can obtain a degree, but it doesn't have to be in pre med or anything highly challenging...THEY HAVE TO BUY IN AND ITS THE COACHES JOB TO SELL THEM!!!

I was trying to make this point all along - the bledsoe post was the fact that our current regime has our back to the wall where we can't even sign a local kid (maybe marginal maybe not) cause we are so APR scared....

(11-14-2009 11:32 PM)pastblaz Wrote: [ -> ]i bet as long as we didn't end up with the death penalty or something very very harsh most of us would love to be in the final four even if we had to take some chances....you included MB

Absolutely 100% incorrect. If I had knowledge that we cheated and made it to the Final Four, I would hope we lose every game by 50 and would probably turn us in.

You don't know me and don't presume to think you know how I feel. There is absolutely no way I would be willing to give up the reputation that Gene Bartow built in order to be successful. I have no tolerance for cheaters.

"never really understood the tamir jackson thing --- almost seemed like we backed away from him, like he wasn't good enough or something"

First read this:

http://www.nj.gov/education/legal/commis...120-07.pdf

Mike Davis hired Marco Morcos - who coached both Jackson and Terrence Rodderick - as UAB's director of basketball operations. Then let him go last fall. Now, with that and the above in mind, read this:

http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/02/05/demar...has-top-5/

(11-15-2009 12:21 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-14-2009 11:32 PM)pastblaz Wrote: [ -> ]i bet as long as we didn't end up with the death penalty or something very very harsh most of us would love to be in the final four even if we had to take some chances....you included MB

Absolutely 100% incorrect. If I had knowledge that we cheated and made it to the Final Four, I would hope we lose every game by 50 and would probably turn us in.

You don't know me and don't presume to think you know how I feel. There is absolutely no way I would be willing to give up the reputation that Gene Bartow built in order to be successful. I have no tolerance for cheaters.

likewise - you don't know me either and shouldn't leap from "tanking chances" to "cheating" a wide range between the two....
like i said above - there are degrees of cheating - becareful what you take the high road on, lest you may not ever watch college sports again.... everyone is a little dusty - doesn't mean they are dirty...

(11-15-2009 01:39 AM)58-56 Wrote: [ -> ]"never really understood the tamir jackson thing --- almost seemed like we backed away from him, like he wasn't good enough or something"

First read this:

http://www.nj.gov/education/legal/commis...120-07.pdf

Mike Davis hired Marco Morcos - who coached both Jackson and Terrence Rodderick - as UAB's director of basketball operations. Then let him go last fall. Now, with that and the above in mind, read this:

http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/02/05/demar...has-top-5/

interesting - what happened with morcos here? was it T-Rod or him?? seems like he could have a lot of value recruiting.... d.b.o. no official recruiting though..

people like to vilify(sp) a guy like this - but it seems he had a positive impact on a lot of kids that went on to and hopefully graduated college... he just needed to stay in aau (where you can select and recruit) and not do it in the school setting.. however, you are highly encouraged to do that at the university setting...it is the schools administration to set up guide lines for eligibility and the coaches to work the system as best they can so their players can succeed..

if he is able to work within the parameters at rice surely he should have at UAB..

(11-14-2009 11:32 PM)pastblaz Wrote: [ -> ]i bet as long as we didn't end up with the death penalty or something very very harsh most of us would love to be in the final four even if we had to take some chances....you included MB

Speak for yourself.