For the past 2 years, Grizzly fans have known that our point guard Mike Conley is good, but he is not the dynamic player you need as your starting point guard to win in the NBA, at least not yet. The Grizzlies finally have a guard in A.I. that can make things happen when games are close, like the Kings game, and he doesn't play. Hopefully this will change in the next couple of games, or it will become a major problem!
AI is still rusty. He had two turnovers and only one assist. He's not ready to start yet.
Maybe so, but I agree with the thread title. AI needs to start. He's better and I think the players on the floor will respond to him better. Conley's still young. He'll have alot of starter years left in him.
Start AI now. This is pro ball. I want to win and I want to win now!
I'm still not convinced that AI starting would give us the best chance of winning more than starting Conley.
(11-03-2009 03:03 PM)UofMark Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe so, but I agree with the thread title. AI needs to start. He's better and I think the players on the floor will respond to him better. Conley's still young. He'll have alot of starter years left in him.
Start AI now. This is pro ball. I want to win and I want to win now!
Allen Iverson should play more than what he did yesterday, in my humble opinion. I do not know that he can still take the pounding of eighty-two game schedule and play for over forty minutes a game. I think he has to play slowly to get his legs back to play a thirty minute game at least.
(11-03-2009 05:28 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still not convinced that AI starting would give us the best chance of winning more than starting Conley.
who cares what you're convinced of...START AI
Go Tigers!!!
Drew
(11-03-2009 05:28 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still not convinced that AI starting would give us the best chance of winning more than starting Conley.
He has the best chance at generating interest around a team that hasn't garnered much in over two years. I'll be surprised if he isn't starting soon, like after the west coast road trip.
(11-03-2009 06:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2009 05:28 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still not convinced that AI starting would give us the best chance of winning more than starting Conley.
who cares what you're convinced of...START AI
Go Tigers!!!
Drew
(11-03-2009 07:56 PM)TJT Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2009 05:28 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still not convinced that AI starting would give us the best chance of winning more than starting Conley.
He has the best chance at generating interest around a team that hasn't garnered much in over two years. I'll be surprised if he isn't starting soon, like after the west coast road trip.
Good thing neither of you are in charge of the team.
Allen Iverson is 34 and on the downside of his career. He's coming off a partially torn hamstring. He looked sloppy last night. He was brought in to give an offensive punch off the bench.
Mike Conley has been the starter. He's a better shooter and ball handler than Iverson.
MC
43.6% FG, 38.4% 3PT FG, 78.7% FT, 2.39 AST/TO
AI
42.5% FG, 31.3% 3PT FG, 78.0% FT, 1.72 AST/TO
Conley is currently 16th in the NBA in assists per game. That's better than Tony Parker, Derrick Rose, Mike Bibby, Mo Williams, and Tyreke Evans.
Conley should start and AI should come off the bench.
(11-03-2009 08:49 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2009 06:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2009 05:28 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still not convinced that AI starting would give us the best chance of winning more than starting Conley.
who cares what you're convinced of...START AI
Go Tigers!!!
Drew
(11-03-2009 07:56 PM)TJT Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2009 05:28 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still not convinced that AI starting would give us the best chance of winning more than starting Conley.
He has the best chance at generating interest around a team that hasn't garnered much in over two years. I'll be surprised if he isn't starting soon, like after the west coast road trip.
Good thing neither of you are in charge of the team.
Allen Iverson is 34 and on the downside of his career. He's coming off a partially torn hamstring. He looked sloppy last night. He was brought in to give an offensive punch off the bench.
Mike Conley has been the starter. He's a better shooter and ball handler than Iverson.
MC
43.6% FG, 38.4% 3PT FG, 78.7% FT, 2.39 AST/TO
AI
42.5% FG, 31.3% 3PT FG, 78.0% FT, 1.72 AST/TO
Conley is currently 16th in the NBA in assists per game. That's better than Tony Parker, Derrick Rose, Mike Bibby, Mo Williams, and Tyreke Evans.
Conley should start and AI should come off the bench.
You aren't going to the playoffs starting either one of them, so you might as well get your money's worth out of the "superstar" you signed and let him play. AI is the only reason people are talking about the Grizzlies right now. I don't like AI or the way he plays, and I wouldn't have signed him because I think he is a cancer. But if you are going to bring in a guy with all of his baggage knowing he doesn't want to sit on the bench, then make him sit on the bench, you have to know he will become a disruption.
(11-03-2009 08:49 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2009 06:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2009 05:28 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still not convinced that AI starting would give us the best chance of winning more than starting Conley.
who cares what you're convinced of...START AI
Go Tigers!!!
Drew
(11-03-2009 07:56 PM)TJT Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2009 05:28 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still not convinced that AI starting would give us the best chance of winning more than starting Conley.
He has the best chance at generating interest around a team that hasn't garnered much in over two years. I'll be surprised if he isn't starting soon, like after the west coast road trip.
Good thing neither of you are in charge of the team.
Allen Iverson is 34 and on the downside of his career. He's coming off a partially torn hamstring. He looked sloppy last night. He was brought in to give an offensive punch off the bench.
Mike Conley has been the starter. He's a better shooter and ball handler than Iverson.
MC
43.6% FG, 38.4% 3PT FG, 78.7% FT, 2.39 AST/TO
AI
42.5% FG, 31.3% 3PT FG, 78.0% FT, 1.72 AST/TO
Conley is currently 16th in the NBA in assists per game. That's better than Tony Parker, Derrick Rose, Mike Bibby, Mo Williams, and Tyreke Evans.
Conley should start and AI should come off the bench.
I don't care what the stats say, I woould take ANY of those guys over Conley. I think AI will need to start when he gets a few games under his belt. Conley is way too tentative to be a good point guard. He has the tools, but doesn't use them.
My concern with AI, and you saw this at least once last night, everyone may end up standing around watching him do his thing instead of moving and playing cohesively. I would still start him after a few games. I would sit him down and tell him to get a few games under his belt since he missed camp and we will re-evaluate based on his performance. But, I would start him in 4-5 games regardless.
(11-03-2009 09:52 PM)TJT Wrote: [ -> ]You aren't going to the playoffs starting either one of them, so you might as well get your money's worth out of the "superstar" you signed and let him play. AI is the only reason people are talking about the Grizzlies right now. I don't like AI or the way he plays, and I wouldn't have signed him because I think he is a cancer. But if you are going to bring in a guy with all of his baggage knowing he doesn't want to sit on the bench, then make him sit on the bench, you have to know he will become a disruption.
(11-03-2009 10:51 PM)jtgavigan Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care what the stats say, I woould take ANY of those guys over Conley. I think AI will need to start when he gets a few games under his belt. Conley is way too tentative to be a good point guard. He has the tools, but doesn't use them.
My concern with AI, and you saw this at least once last night, everyone may end up standing around watching him do his thing instead of moving and playing cohesively. I would still start him after a few games. I would sit him down and tell him to get a few games under his belt since he missed camp and we will re-evaluate based on his performance. But, I would start him in 4-5 games regardless.
So both of you admit that AI is not "the answer" but you'd still start him?
(11-04-2009 08:39 AM)the other Greg Childers Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2009 09:52 PM)TJT Wrote: [ -> ]You aren't going to the playoffs starting either one of them, so you might as well get your money's worth out of the "superstar" you signed and let him play. AI is the only reason people are talking about the Grizzlies right now. I don't like AI or the way he plays, and I wouldn't have signed him because I think he is a cancer. But if you are going to bring in a guy with all of his baggage knowing he doesn't want to sit on the bench, then make him sit on the bench, you have to know he will become a disruption.
(11-03-2009 10:51 PM)jtgavigan Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care what the stats say, I woould take ANY of those guys over Conley. I think AI will need to start when he gets a few games under his belt. Conley is way too tentative to be a good point guard. He has the tools, but doesn't use them.
My concern with AI, and you saw this at least once last night, everyone may end up standing around watching him do his thing instead of moving and playing cohesively. I would still start him after a few games. I would sit him down and tell him to get a few games under his belt since he missed camp and we will re-evaluate based on his performance. But, I would start him in 4-5 games regardless.
So both of you admit that AI is not "the answer" but you'd still start him?
I think it was crazy to sign him in the first place. No other NBA franchise was interested. He clearly stated that he wasn't comfortable coming off the bench. And you know when he isn't happy that he becomes a cancer and destroys team chemistry. To me the options were sign AI with the intention of letting him start, or just leave him be. They decided to sign him, so they can start him or wait until he gets frustrated and blows up. Bench players are not worth the baggage and bs he brings to your team.
Conley needs to start. If A.I. doesnt like it, then he can go to another team..oh wait..NO ONE ELSE WNATS HIM! So he can shut his mouth and bring his 34 year old tail off the bench and do what he does best and wht the team needs (ecspecially off the bench)..SCORE! He is still rusty, Conely is doing a pretty good job. AI needs to stop and realize his days of starting in the NBA are over..and to accept his role as 6th man and score off the bench so we dont lose a 12 point lead when the starters take a seat.
(11-04-2009 08:39 AM)the other Greg Childers Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2009 09:52 PM)TJT Wrote: [ -> ]You aren't going to the playoffs starting either one of them, so you might as well get your money's worth out of the "superstar" you signed and let him play. AI is the only reason people are talking about the Grizzlies right now. I don't like AI or the way he plays, and I wouldn't have signed him because I think he is a cancer. But if you are going to bring in a guy with all of his baggage knowing he doesn't want to sit on the bench, then make him sit on the bench, you have to know he will become a disruption.
(11-03-2009 10:51 PM)jtgavigan Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care what the stats say, I woould take ANY of those guys over Conley. I think AI will need to start when he gets a few games under his belt. Conley is way too tentative to be a good point guard. He has the tools, but doesn't use them.
My concern with AI, and you saw this at least once last night, everyone may end up standing around watching him do his thing instead of moving and playing cohesively. I would still start him after a few games. I would sit him down and tell him to get a few games under his belt since he missed camp and we will re-evaluate based on his performance. But, I would start him in 4-5 games regardless.
So both of you admit that AI is not "the answer" but you'd still start him?
On THIS team? Yeah, he is better than Conley period. I think he isn't ideal and that we shouldn't have signed him. But, you have a hall of fame guy who has played in the NBA finals and knows what it takes to win. I would take him over Conley. Yes, yes, and yes. It isn't a great situation, but I would start him.
Think I am nuts if you want, I am just saying that AI is the lesser of two evils.
Conley got owned by Beno Udrih the other night, all night. At least AI could (potentially) score enough to offset that.
AI played sloppy while Conley played under control. Plus, AI is all about AI while Conley is more team oriented.
I'd start Conley and bring AI off the bench. Give him 20 minutes per game. Maybe 25. But if he doesn't like it he can just eat it.
Signing Iverson and not starting him is like marrying a stripper and not sleeping with her.
(11-04-2009 04:37 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote: [ -> ]AI played sloppy while Conley played under control. Plus, AI is all about AI while Conley is more team oriented.
I'd start Conley and bring AI off the bench. Give him 20 minutes per game. Maybe 25. But if he doesn't like it he can just eat it.
I think AI was a bit rusty and jumpy his first rotation - looked better the second. I agree that Conley is more team oriented, but to a fault. He has the tools to set the pace of the game, but doesn't. You watch guys like Nash, Paul, Kidd, D.Williams, even Rondo and Rose and they just control the whole flow of the game. Conley is too passive.
I understand your viewpoint. I can see why you think what you do. I am not an AI fan except for the fact that he is a warrior out there and this team needs that mentality. I think Gasol has it, Mayo has it, Z-Bo has it, but Conley and Gay don't.
(11-04-2009 05:15 PM)TJT Wrote: [ -> ]Signing Iverson and not starting him is like marrying a stripper and not sleeping with her.
Are you saying starting Iverson is like getting herpes?
(11-05-2009 01:04 AM)CCC Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2009 05:15 PM)TJT Wrote: [ -> ]Signing Iverson and not starting him is like marrying a stripper and not sleeping with her.
Are you saying starting Iverson is like getting herpes?
More like the clap. You can get rid of the clap.
I'd start Marcus Williams over Mike Conely...
I'm starting to think some of you hate the Grizzlies with the goober ideas you've posted.
(11-05-2009 02:38 PM)TJT Wrote: [ -> ] (11-05-2009 01:04 AM)CCC Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2009 05:15 PM)TJT Wrote: [ -> ]Signing Iverson and not starting him is like marrying a stripper and not sleeping with her.
Are you saying starting Iverson is like getting herpes?
More like the clap. You can get rid of the clap.
Congratulations!