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thank you Oregon ...&.... for making room for Boise or TCU

USC gets throttled by Oregon, Purdue nearly beats Oregon, NIU beats Purdue, the math says NIU would beat USC

I know some dont like this type of logic...but........

(10-31-2009 10:35 PM)cyberdawg Wrote: [ -> ]thank you Oregon ...&.... for making room for Boise or TCU

USC is finally out of the discussion and rightly so, but hold on. Don't be surprised if Oregon jumps Boise and TCU in the polls.

When logic fails, use common sense.

WHEN games are played among common opponents means alot.

(10-31-2009 11:05 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]USC gets throttled by Oregon, Purdue nearly beats Oregon, NIU beats Purdue, the math says NIU would beat USC

I know some dont like this type of logic...but........

But what?? Nobody likes that type of logic except you MD. Just when I start to tolerate you, you say something like this. You make it very difficult for me not to hate your guts.

(11-01-2009 09:32 PM)NIUtrav09 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-31-2009 11:05 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]USC gets throttled by Oregon, Purdue nearly beats Oregon, NIU beats Purdue, the math says NIU would beat USC

I know some dont like this type of logic...but........

But what?? Nobody likes that type of logic except you MD. Just when I start to tolerate you, you say something like this. You make it very difficult for me not to hate your guts.

Im just messing around lol

(11-01-2009 09:44 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-01-2009 09:32 PM)NIUtrav09 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-31-2009 11:05 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]USC gets throttled by Oregon, Purdue nearly beats Oregon, NIU beats Purdue, the math says NIU would beat USC

I know some dont like this type of logic...but........

But what?? Nobody likes that type of logic except you MD. Just when I start to tolerate you, you say something like this. You make it very difficult for me not to hate your guts.

Im just messing around lol

Thank God. Normally I'd pick up on the joke but you have a reputation for making claims/predictions that defy logic. Not sure if you're aware of that or not.

Yeah, I didn't even think MD could believe that.

(11-01-2009 10:13 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, I didn't even think MD could believe that.

How exactly do you say who is better than who is college football anymore? I've never seen a year like this when you really do not know who is good, or if there are any really truly good teams out there. It really is Florida, Texas, and everyone else. And I can say this with a high degree of confidence, Iowa is the worst 4th ranked team EVER. That really speaks volumes to just how there are few if any really good teams this year.

That may be true but I think even you, the Homer of all Homers, should be able to tell the difference in talent level between USC and NIU.

I think NIU could beat Iowa....

Yes, I posted that, not MD.

(11-01-2009 11:08 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]I think NIU could beat Iowa....

Yes, I posted that, not MD.

Well then you're retarded .

In all seriousness, Iowa is one of the worst top 10 teams of all time. However, they remind me of the good Wisconsin teams of this decade - it might not look pretty but they know how to win. They play hard and disciplined football and as much as I hate to admit it, Coach Ferentz knows what he's doing. I highly doubt we'd score on their defense.

We couldn't beat Iowa when they were worse than they are now and when we had Garrett Wolfe.

How am I retarded?

Are we no better than Northern Iowa or Arkansas State?

(11-01-2009 11:45 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]How am I retarded?

Are we no better than Northern Iowa or Arkansas State?

Twas a joke.

Northern Iowa is actually pretty good. Are we as good as Penn State? Arizona?

Also, by using MD's genius transitive property forumla, Iowa beat Wisconsin who beat NIU.

(11-01-2009 11:45 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]How am I retarded?

Are we no better than Northern Iowa or Arkansas State?

There is no question that NIU could beat Iowa, I do not think that is really saying anything outrageous. Temple, NIU, CMU, and Kent State could beat any team in the Big 10.

Oh Jesus look what you started 7. I'm peacin out of this thread.

(11-02-2009 12:01 AM)NIUtrav09 Wrote: [ -> ]Oh Jesus look what you started 7. I'm peacin out of this thread.

Trav you know thats true, at least this year. The Big 10 is piss poor this year. Real bad. Purdue beat Ohio State, Northern Iowa should have beaten Iowa. The Big 10 is one big pile of doggie doo this year.

(11-02-2009 12:05 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2009 12:01 AM)NIUtrav09 Wrote: [ -> ]Oh Jesus look what you started 7. I'm peacin out of this thread.

Trav you know thats true, at least this year. The Big 10 is piss poor this year. Real bad. Purdue beat Ohio State, Northern Iowa should have beaten Iowa. The Big 10 is one big pile of doggie doo this year.

The Big Ten IS piss poor but the MAC is arguably the worst conference in football. You could make an argument that it's better than the Sun Belt but that is all.

Our league representative this year (CMU) just got it handed to them against a mediocre Boston College team. This is a team that is far and above the most talented team in the conference.

(11-02-2009 12:07 AM)NIUtrav09 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2009 12:05 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2009 12:01 AM)NIUtrav09 Wrote: [ -> ]Oh Jesus look what you started 7. I'm peacin out of this thread.

Trav you know thats true, at least this year. The Big 10 is piss poor this year. Real bad. Purdue beat Ohio State, Northern Iowa should have beaten Iowa. The Big 10 is one big pile of doggie doo this year.

The Big Ten IS piss poor but the MAC is arguably the worst conference in football. You could make an argument that it's better than the Sun Belt but that is all.

Our league representative this year (CMU) just got it handed to them against a mediocre Boston College team. This is a team that is far and above the most talented team in the conference.

Im not saying any of those 4 MAC teams would be favored against the Big 10, Im just saying they would be winnable for those 4 MAC teams playing any team in the Big 10.

http://temple.rivals.com/boxscore.asp?Ga...eam=TEMPLE

This is ridiculous. I hate that I have to make arguments to disclaim your idiotic statements. It makes me appear anti-NIU and anti-MAC. I am neither... I'm just a realist.

(11-02-2009 12:00 AM)NIUtrav09 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-01-2009 11:45 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]How am I retarded?

Are we no better than Northern Iowa or Arkansas State?

Twas a joke.

Northern Iowa is actually pretty good. Are we as good as Penn State? Arizona?

Also, by using MD's genius transitive property forumla, Iowa beat Wisconsin who beat NIU.

Oh I wasn't trying to discredit Northern Iowa, I think they would beat a lot of MAC teams.

I think if we played Iowa it would be like most of their games. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if anybody beats Iowa. Indiana sucks, and when they were up 21-7 I wasn't surprised. Nor was I surprised when they blew it lol.

And no, I don't think we're as good as Penn State, not even close. However, we're not as good as Purdue either, and we all saw what they did to OSU.

The game was played at Penn State and Penn State only won by 25. We beat WMU by 35 at home, does that mean WMU could never beat NIU, no. Trust me, if Temple and Penn State played right now, result would be a whole lot different, especially if played at neutral site or at Temple.

And Trav, there's an easy way to end this argument. Just find out what the Big 10 vs. MAC matchup record was this year.

NIU beat Purdue
CMU beat Michigan State

the other 30 games go to the Big 10.

(11-02-2009 12:16 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]The game was played at Penn State and Penn State only won by 25. We beat WMU by 35 at home, does that mean WMU could never beat NIU, no. Trust me, if Temple and Penn State played right now, result would be a whole lot different, especially if played at neutral site or at Temple.

Oh my God. I'm so sorry Trav, I wasn't trying to start this lol.

(11-02-2009 12:17 AM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]And Trav, there's an easy way to end this argument. Just find out what the Big 10 vs. MAC matchup record was this year.

NIU beat Purdue
CMU beat Michigan State

the other 30 games go to the Big 10.

7, in ANY comparison of MAC vs Big 10 records, you just have to tally how many games were played at home and how many on the road, that usually explains the gap.

Ok then yes... on any given saturday any given team can blah blah blah. Your original statement was pretty bold. Either you didn't intend for it to be that way or you're backing off a little bit. Regardless, put Temple, NIU, CMU, and Kent up against Penn State, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Ohio State and I'm taking the Big Ten teams straight up all day.

No MD. What normally explains the gap is the fact Big 10 teams have a lot more talent than MAC teams.

If more games were played in MAC stadiums would the MAC pick up a few more wins? Yes. Would the Big 10 still win a ton more games? Yes.

(11-02-2009 12:22 AM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]No MD. What normally explains the gap is the fact Big 10 teams have a lot more talent than MAC teams.

If more games were played in MAC stadiums would the MAC pick up a few more wins? Yes. Would the Big 10 still win a ton more games? Yes.

True but nothing close to the percentages which occur now.

(11-02-2009 12:20 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2009 12:17 AM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]And Trav, there's an easy way to end this argument. Just find out what the Big 10 vs. MAC matchup record was this year.

NIU beat Purdue
CMU beat Michigan State

the other 30 games go to the Big 10.

7, in ANY comparison of MAC vs Big 10 records, you just have to tally how many games were played at home and how many on the road, that usually explains the gap.

MD... the Big Ten wins 90% of their games against the MAC. You point out most of those games are played at Big Ten stadiums. This is true. However, in college football as a whole, the home team wins roughly 60% of the time.

90% vs 60%. How do you account for that 30%?

edit: 90% was a made up number.. It's a rough estimate. The actual number may be higher.

(11-02-2009 12:22 AM)NIUtrav09 Wrote: [ -> ]Ok then yes... on any given saturday any given team can blah blah blah. Your original statement was pretty bold. Either you didn't intend for it to be that way or you're backing off a little bit. Regardless, put Temple, NIU, CMU, and Kent up against Penn State, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Ohio State and I'm taking the Big Ten teams straight up all day.

That's not even what I was trying to say.

They beat UNI by 1 (and had to block two FGs.)
They beat Arkansas State by 3.
They beat Michigan (you saw what bad Illinois did to them) by 2.
They beat Michigan State (they lost to CMU) by 2.
It took some insane plays to beat Indiana.

I'm not trying to sit here and tell you that NIU could beat any team in the Big 10. We would die against Ohio State and Penn State.

Iowa? They play close games with everybody, and at that point anything can happen.

(11-02-2009 12:25 AM)NIUtrav09 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2009 12:20 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2009 12:17 AM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]And Trav, there's an easy way to end this argument. Just find out what the Big 10 vs. MAC matchup record was this year.

NIU beat Purdue
CMU beat Michigan State

the other 30 games go to the Big 10.

7, in ANY comparison of MAC vs Big 10 records, you just have to tally how many games were played at home and how many on the road, that usually explains the gap.

MD... the Big Ten wins 90% of their games against the MAC. You point out most of those games are played at Big Ten stadiums. This is true. However, in college football as a whole, the home team wins roughly 60% of the time.

90% vs 60%. How do you account for that 30% oh genius one?

And this ballgame is OVAH.

(11-02-2009 12:25 AM)NIUtrav09 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2009 12:20 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2009 12:17 AM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]And Trav, there's an easy way to end this argument. Just find out what the Big 10 vs. MAC matchup record was this year.

NIU beat Purdue
CMU beat Michigan State

the other 30 games go to the Big 10.

7, in ANY comparison of MAC vs Big 10 records, you just have to tally how many games were played at home and how many on the road, that usually explains the gap.

MD... the Big Ten wins 90% of their games against the MAC. You point out most of those games are played at Big Ten stadiums. This is true. However, in college football as a whole, the home team wins roughly 60% of the time.

90% vs 60%. How do you account for that 30% oh genius one?

Trying to reason with the two poster boys for the Big 10, nothing good can come of it

Two poster boys for the Big 10? Uh, wut? I started this thread by saying I think NIU could beat Iowa.

And once again, when one losses an arguement they start making personal attacks.

The Big 10 is pretty bad.
The MAC is like the Big 10 minus.

Nobody is saying the Big 10 is good, the MAC is just really, really bad.

(11-02-2009 12:26 AM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2009 12:22 AM)NIUtrav09 Wrote: [ -> ]Ok then yes... on any given saturday any given team can blah blah blah. Your original statement was pretty bold. Either you didn't intend for it to be that way or you're backing off a little bit. Regardless, put Temple, NIU, CMU, and Kent up against Penn State, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Ohio State and I'm taking the Big Ten teams straight up all day.

That's not even what I was trying to say.

They beat UNI by 1 (and had to block two FGs.)
They beat Arkansas State by 3.
They beat Michigan (you saw what bad Illinois did to them) by 2.
They beat Michigan State (they lost to CMU) by 2.
It took some insane plays to beat Indiana.

I'm not trying to sit here and tell you that NIU could beat any team in the Big 10. We would die against Ohio State and Penn State.

Iowa? They play close games with everybody, and at that point anything can happen.

Oh I know. Iowa doesn't blow teams out so as you pointed out NIU could certainly keep it close. But like the Wisconsin teams the past few years, they simply find a way to win. I don't think they'd blow us out but they still win 9 times out of 10.

MD is like Nick Cannon. And you know what they say about Nick Cannon:

"Nick Cannon's ha-larious!"

(11-02-2009 12:27 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2009 12:25 AM)NIUtrav09 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2009 12:20 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2009 12:17 AM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]And Trav, there's an easy way to end this argument. Just find out what the Big 10 vs. MAC matchup record was this year.

NIU beat Purdue
CMU beat Michigan State

the other 30 games go to the Big 10.

7, in ANY comparison of MAC vs Big 10 records, you just have to tally how many games were played at home and how many on the road, that usually explains the gap.

MD... the Big Ten wins 90% of their games against the MAC. You point out most of those games are played at Big Ten stadiums. This is true. However, in college football as a whole, the home team wins roughly 60% of the time.

90% vs 60%. How do you account for that 30% oh genius one?

Trying to reason with the two poster boys for the Big 10, nothing good can come of it

And here comes the white flag from MD. Thank you and good night.

(11-02-2009 12:36 AM)NIUtrav09 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2009 12:27 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2009 12:25 AM)NIUtrav09 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2009 12:20 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2009 12:17 AM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]And Trav, there's an easy way to end this argument. Just find out what the Big 10 vs. MAC matchup record was this year.

NIU beat Purdue
CMU beat Michigan State

the other 30 games go to the Big 10.

7, in ANY comparison of MAC vs Big 10 records, you just have to tally how many games were played at home and how many on the road, that usually explains the gap.

MD... the Big Ten wins 90% of their games against the MAC. You point out most of those games are played at Big Ten stadiums. This is true. However, in college football as a whole, the home team wins roughly 60% of the time.

90% vs 60%. How do you account for that 30% oh genius one?

Trying to reason with the two poster boys for the Big 10, nothing good can come of it

And here comes the white flag from MD. Thank you and good night.

No not a white flag, just realize neither of us will change the other's view.

(11-02-2009 12:38 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2009 12:36 AM)NIUtrav09 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2009 12:27 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2009 12:25 AM)NIUtrav09 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2009 12:20 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2009 12:17 AM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]And Trav, there's an easy way to end this argument. Just find out what the Big 10 vs. MAC matchup record was this year.

NIU beat Purdue
CMU beat Michigan State

the other 30 games go to the Big 10.

7, in ANY comparison of MAC vs Big 10 records, you just have to tally how many games were played at home and how many on the road, that usually explains the gap.

MD... the Big Ten wins 90% of their games against the MAC. You point out most of those games are played at Big Ten stadiums. This is true. However, in college football as a whole, the home team wins roughly 60% of the time.

90% vs 60%. How do you account for that 30% oh genius one?

Trying to reason with the two poster boys for the Big 10, nothing good can come of it

And here comes the white flag from MD. Thank you and good night.

No not a white flag, just realize neither of us will change the other's view.

Like my momma always said you can't argue with stupid.

That can't really be your view, can it?

If CMU is in fact the best of the MAC than their performance vs AZ & BC show that the MAC isn't ready for prime time yet

Reading this is like watching a huskie pup chasing its tail.

It can make participant and viewer both dizzy and nauseated.