did anyone notice at the end of the Bammer game that Cody took off his facemask while the play was still active?
Sure the officials don't have the balls to call it, but just wondering if a 15 yard penalty was in order?
Hey, I have got to talk about something.....
I bet the gump controlled media do not mention it.
(10-24-2009 06:12 PM)Nothingfaced Wrote: [ -> ]My thread gets moved and this one stays.....
Hmmm.....
I have to agree with you. It was noted that this was NBR, but still..... come on mods- let's give this guy a little slack.
(10-24-2009 06:12 PM)Nothingfaced Wrote: [ -> ]My thread gets moved and this one stays.....
Hmmm.....
Maybe I just like him better.
or maybe I just hadn't seen it yet
(10-24-2009 06:03 PM)the_blazerman Wrote: [ -> ]did anyone notice at the end of the Bammer game that Cody took off his facemask while the play was still active?
Sure the officials don't have the balls to call it, but just wondering if a 15 yard penalty was in order?
Hey, I have got to talk about something.....
wouldnt it just have been a penalty on bama backing them up for their next play. possession wouldnt have changed would it
I am still trying to find the rule on this one, but if the play was still live, removing the facemask would be a 15 yard penalty giving UT another shot at a field goal (not that they would make it).
If the play was dead, then no big deal.
Since the ball passed the line of scrimmage, was it a dead ball?
I don't think that UT could have advanced it if they had recovered, but Alabama could have taken it & ran it back.
If this is the rule, then the media has been awfully quiet on mentioning this.
Danielson mentioned something on the broadcast, but I did not catch all of it.
(10-25-2009 12:25 PM)the_blazerman Wrote: [ -> ]I am still trying to find the rule on this one, but if the play was still live, removing the facemask would be a 15 yard penalty giving UT another shot at a field goal (not that they would make it).
If the play was dead, then no big deal.
Since the ball passed the line of scrimmage, was it a dead ball?
I don't think that UT could have advanced it if they had recovered, but Alabama could have taken it & ran it back.
If this is the rule, then the media has been awfully quiet on mentioning this.
Danielson mentioned something on the broadcast, but I did not catch all of it.
My understanding is that the ball must cross the line of scrimmage for it to be dead. I didn't see it cross the line of scrimmage. TN could have advanced the ball as it would have been considered live. This is assuming it's the same as high school rules which it may not be. I don't know the exact timing or when everyone else ran on the field, but it looked really shady to me. I mentioned it as soon as it happened.
but since the bama guy fell on the ball they would have had possession the penalty would not have changed that. it would be like slugging a guy after making an interception the offender team gets a penalty but the penalty doesnt negate the interception
(10-25-2009 11:07 PM)Blazeramo Wrote: [ -> ]but since the bama guy fell on the ball they would have had possession the penalty would not have changed that. it would be like slugging a guy after making an interception the offender team gets a penalty but the penalty doesnt negate the interception
That's only if it happens after the interception. It would be more like the defense jumping offsides and getting an interception. The offense has the option of accepting the penalty and getting another play or declining the penalty which would give the ball to the defense.
It all depends on when he took off his helmet as to whether it would be a dead ball foul or not.
Well, give The Zone credit. It was mentioned.
Melick says that the penalty would have been enforced "after" the play, therefore Alabama would have the ball.
If this is the rule so be it.
Since I am anti-Bammer, it would have been nice if the Vols would have just made the field goal.
On another note, I wonder how many players from both teams were on the field while the ball was still live.
It is amazing how 20 out of the 22 players on the field didn't even think to go after the ball.
The ball certainly was blocked behind the line of scrimmage, yet it was rolling towards past the line of scrimmage.
You gotta let it go as an official. For all intents and purposes, that was the last play of the ball game. You shouldn't restrict emotional on a final play of that magnitude.
(10-24-2009 10:19 PM)Blazeramo Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2009 06:03 PM)the_blazerman Wrote: [ -> ]did anyone notice at the end of the Bammer game that Cody took off his facemask while the play was still active?
Sure the officials don't have the balls to call it, but just wondering if a 15 yard penalty was in order?
Hey, I have got to talk about something.....
wouldnt it just have been a penalty on bama backing them up for their next play. possession wouldnt have changed would it
He took his helmet off while the play was still live. It took several seconds for the UAT players to realize what was going on and dive on the ball. When UT attempted the FG, it was NOT 4th down, so if the ball did not cross the line of scrimmage, then UT could have recovered, retained possession, and tried another field goal attempt on an untimed down.
(10-26-2009 08:28 AM)the_blazerman Wrote: [ -> ]Well, give The Zone credit. It was mentioned.
Melick says that the penalty would have been enforced "after" the play, therefore Alabama would have the ball.
If this is the rule so be it.
Since I am anti-Bammer, it would have been nice if the Vols would have just made the field goal.
On another note, I wonder how many players from both teams were on the field while the ball was still live.
It is amazing how 20 out of the 22 players on the field didn't even think to go after the ball.
The ball certainly was blocked behind the line of scrimmage, yet it was rolling towards past the line of scrimmage.
Malelick is wrong on that one. It would not be enforced after the play. And the play is only considered dead once Alabama downed the ball.
(10-26-2009 11:09 AM)FNblazer Wrote: [ -> ]You gotta let it go as an official. For all intents and purposes, that was the last play of the ball game. You shouldn't restrict emotional on a final play of that magnitude.
And that is the wrong thought process as well. Celebrate AFTER the game is over. There are rules in place for a reason. Following your same thought, why do the officials make a team kneel on the ball to run out the clock? If the losing team doesn't have any timeouts and the winning team can just take a knee to run out the clock, then the officials should let the clock just run and not make the team kneel the ball 3 times, right? Point being things can happen like a fumbled snap.
And the officials would not be restricting emotions. If it was called, then many would scream bush league call. But the only person to blame would have been the Alabama player who took off his helmet. According to Bama fans, Bama is a top knotch program so the players should act like they have been there.
(10-26-2009 03:56 PM)BlazerFromMD Wrote: [ -> ]Who's Cody?
That bowling ball UT couldn't kick a ball over.
Or the heart attack waiting to happen.
I'm still amazed at the lack of this being mentioned by the sports media - especially national.
Can you imagine the riot in Tuscaloosa & the fear that the officials would have for their lives if they had actually made the correct call (compared to all of the incorrect calls to which crews have been suspended & coaches reprimanded)?
Anyone find the NCAA rulebook anywhere listing the rule on this?
Scarbo wrote an article saying Kiffin should have been suspended for questioning a call he was actually right about today. What a douche.
(10-27-2009 03:02 PM)the_blazerman Wrote: [ -> ]Or the heart attack waiting to happen.
I'm still amazed at the lack of this being mentioned by the sports media - especially national.
Can you imagine the riot in Tuscaloosa & the fear that the officials would have for their lives if they had actually made the correct call (compared to all of the incorrect calls to which crews have been suspended & coaches reprimanded)?
Anyone find the NCAA rulebook anywhere listing the rule on this?
Best I could find was this:
Quote:After an unsuccessful field goal attempt that has crossed the neutral
zone, the ball will next be put in play by Team B. If the ball is untouched
by Team B after having crossed the neutral zone and is subsequently
declared dead beyond the neutral zone, Team B will next snap it at the
previous spot, or extra-period rules govern. If the previous spot was
between Team B’s 20-yard line and the goal line, Team B will next
snap the ball on or between the inbounds lines at its 20-yard line, or
extra-period rules govern. The snap shall be from midway between the
inbounds lines on the 20-yard line, unless a different position on or
between the inbounds lines is selected by Team B before the ready-forplay
signal. After the ready-for-play signal, the ball may be relocated
after a charged team timeout, unless preceded by a Team A foul or
offsetting penalties. Otherwise, all rules pertaining to scrimmage kicks
apply (A.R. 6-3-4-III, A.R. 8-4-2-I-X and A.R. 10-2-3-V).
Basically it states that the ball is dead after crossing the neutral zone and being untouched by the defending team. Best guess I have is that the ball was live at the time of the infraction and possession had not changed. However the official rule book available at
http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uploads/...36079d.pdf is somewhat confusing. Anybody else wanna give it a go have fun.
(10-27-2009 10:54 PM)LightEmUp70 Wrote: [ -> ]Best I could find was this:
Quote:After an unsuccessful field goal attempt that has crossed the neutral
zone, the ball will next be put in play by Team B. If the ball is untouched
by Team B after having crossed the neutral zone and is subsequently
declared dead beyond the neutral zone, Team B will next snap it at the
previous spot, or extra-period rules govern. If the previous spot was
between Team B’s 20-yard line and the goal line, Team B will next
snap the ball on or between the inbounds lines at its 20-yard line, or
extra-period rules govern. The snap shall be from midway between the
inbounds lines on the 20-yard line, unless a different position on or
between the inbounds lines is selected by Team B before the ready-forplay
signal. After the ready-for-play signal, the ball may be relocated
after a charged team timeout, unless preceded by a Team A foul or
offsetting penalties. Otherwise, all rules pertaining to scrimmage kicks
apply (A.R. 6-3-4-III, A.R. 8-4-2-I-X and A.R. 10-2-3-V).
Basically it states that the ball is dead after crossing the neutral zone and being untouched by the defending team. Best guess I have is that the ball was live at the time of the infraction and possession had not changed. However the official rule book available at http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uploads/...36079d.pdf is somewhat confusing. Anybody else wanna give it a go have fun.
You are correct with your assumption. The only time this would change is if the infraction occurred after the defensive team established control of the live ball.
I think everyone in the country now knows that the SEC officials are some of the most incompetent and corrupt people in the game. Everyone in the south already knew this.
rogers reding sp? was on the Tony Barnhart show last night. he said the call was correct. something about the infraction being a non-scrimmage penalty. i saw on the rules website that reding actually wrote the rule book. i had never seen the rulebook before. it was confusing.
How can it be a non-scrimmage penalty if it happened when the play was live?
I saw in another game where a player removed his helmet, they penalized the offending team, and the down was replayed. Now one of the officiating crew was wrong.
I know the game is over and nothing will change the outcome, but you would think that the "best" conference in college football would have the "best" officials, or at least ones that knew the rules.