That is all I need to say and he doesn't need a Rip Scherer 5 year plan.
The guy can coach; all he does is win. He will win 8 games minimum next year if they hire him.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
I really needed a good laugh today.
He is NOT what we need for a HEAD coach. It would be a HUGE step back is he was hired as HEAD coach. He would be great at getting local recruits, but NOT as head coach. I would love to see him on our staff, just not as head coach right now. Maybe in about 5-10 years but NOT now!!!
Hugh Freeze is not ready to be a D1 head coach.
I had to scroll back up and look again, i could have sworn this was another tigerscane thread
(10-05-2009 03:42 PM)clutchbuckets Wrote: [ -> ]That is all I need to say and he doesn't need a Rip Scherer 5 year plan.
The guy can coach; all he does is win. He will win 8 games minimum next year if they hire him.
Thanks Papa Freeze........but no thanks.
(10-05-2009 03:42 PM)clutchbuckets Wrote: [ -> ]That is all I need to say and he doesn't need a Rip Scherer 5 year plan.
The guy can coach; all he does is win. He will win 8 games minimum next year if they hire him.
The only thing I would worry about with Hugh is whether or not he has the contacts to put together a top quality staff. He's young, ambitious, driven, he's a good recruiter, a good offensive mind and his brand of football is very entertaining. He will SELL the program.
But coming to Memphis from Lambuth would be skipping a step. He needs to show success on a level between NAIA and Memphis. It would suit him to go to a I-AA program for a few seasons and show he can win there.
In 4 or 5 years he might be a great get... but it just doesn't look like the timing is right for Memphis and Hugh.
Food for thought...
Hugh Freeze has been a head coach (and won) in both high school and college. Josh Pastner hasn't been a head coach at either one of those levels.
Hugh Freeze graduated from college in 1992. Josh Pastner graduated from college in 1998.
Just saying.
(10-05-2009 04:04 PM)MemphisRebel82 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2009 03:42 PM)clutchbuckets Wrote: [ -> ]That is all I need to say and he doesn't need a Rip Scherer 5 year plan.
The guy can coach; all he does is win. He will win 8 games minimum next year if they hire him.
The only thing I would worry about with Hugh is whether or not he has the contacts to put together a top quality staff. He's young, ambitious, driven, he's a good recruiter, a good offensive mind and his brand of football is very entertaining. He will SELL the program.
But coming to Memphis from Lambuth would be skipping a step. He needs to show success on a level between NAIA and Memphis. It would suit him to go to a I-AA program for a few seasons and show he can win there.
In 4 or 5 years he might be a great get... but it just doesn't look like the timing is right for Memphis and Hugh.
Why? We are on the fast track to have our 2nd 10 loss season in four years and only one winning season in between. If he goes 3-9 in his first season, it would still be considered improvement.
I really like how Coach Freeze relates to players. I would love to have him in an assistant position here.
(10-05-2009 03:59 PM)Swearingen20 Wrote: [ -> ]HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
I really needed a good laugh today.
He is NOT what we need for a HEAD coach. It would be a HUGE step back is he was hired as HEAD coach. He would be great at getting local recruits, but NOT as head coach. I would love to see him on our staff, just not as head coach right now. Maybe in about 5-10 years but NOT now!!!
That was what they said about Gus Malzohn (sp?).
You think they are still hatin'? If you can coach, you can coach, don't bring that bullsh## about not a D-1 coach, blah blah blah. We have a guy who coached at Clemson and all he talks about is "doing what we do better" - the single stupidest thing I have ever heard. What do we do exactly besides get drilled every week? Step back? we are at rock bottom. the joke is on your dumba## if you think otherwise.
You are kidding, right? He would be cheap, we could probably offer him $80 or 90,000. Just imagine the coaching staff he could put together.
Didn't him and Michael Oher leave Briarcrest at the same time for Ole Miss? Not insinuating anything but just an observation. Maybe an assistant coach. Not ready for number 1 spot.
He could coach the girls basketball team in his spare time!
Lambuth was 3-8 the year before Freeze came. They were 8-4 in his first year. Currently they are 5-0.
(10-05-2009 04:05 PM)3601 Wrote: [ -> ]Food for thought...
Hugh Freeze has been a head coach (and won) in both high school and college. Josh Pastner hasn't been a head coach at either one of those levels.
Hugh Freeze graduated from college in 1992. Josh Pastner graduated from college in 1998.
Just saying.
I was already paranoid enough about the upcoming basketball season....
but Pastner has been on the staff of two top tier schools in D1...has Freeze? I really don't know, I'm asking.
(10-05-2009 04:14 PM)mphstiger Wrote: [ -> ]You are kidding, right? He would be cheap, we could probably offer him $80 or 90,000. Just imagine the coaching staff he could put together.
Dead serious. Keep in mind that Graf is tight with Freeze.
We could make a worse higher, but he will not be the "WOW" hire.
(10-05-2009 04:18 PM)mairving Wrote: [ -> ]Lambuth was 3-8 the year before Freeze came. They were 8-4 in his first year. Currently they are 5-0.
My point exactly. Finally somebody on the board with a brain.
(10-05-2009 04:07 PM)homefry20 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2009 04:04 PM)MemphisRebel82 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2009 03:42 PM)clutchbuckets Wrote: [ -> ]That is all I need to say and he doesn't need a Rip Scherer 5 year plan.
The guy can coach; all he does is win. He will win 8 games minimum next year if they hire him.
The only thing I would worry about with Hugh is whether or not he has the contacts to put together a top quality staff. He's young, ambitious, driven, he's a good recruiter, a good offensive mind and his brand of football is very entertaining. He will SELL the program.
But coming to Memphis from Lambuth would be skipping a step. He needs to show success on a level between NAIA and Memphis. It would suit him to go to a I-AA program for a few seasons and show he can win there.
In 4 or 5 years he might be a great get... but it just doesn't look like the timing is right for Memphis and Hugh.
Why? We are on the fast track to have our 2nd 10 loss season in four years and only one winning season in between. If he goes 3-9 in his first season, it would still be considered improvement.
Why?
Have you ever seen an NAIA football game? The difference between that and Division I-A is absolutely night and day. From the speed of the players and the game, to the sophistication of the coaching, to the competition for recruits, to the importance of developing a solid gameplan as a head coach.... being a head coach at the NAIA level and at the D-IA level are two different things.
Now Hugh did get a taste of that during his years on O's staff... and he was a good WR coach in his last year at Ole Miss, so he has been exposed to the D-IA level and it would not be totally foreign to him. But in my opinion he could use a few years being a HC at an intermediate level somewhere between the NAIA and Memphis, and that at this point in time there are better suited candidates out there. You never know how a coaching search is going to go and I wouldn't rule him out completely... definitely keep his phone number on hand if things don't go well with your first 5 or 6 prospects. But in an ideal world he would have a few more years seasoning before landing a job on the Memphis level.
Freeze has shown he is willing to cheat and bend rules.
We should not get involved with anyone that was inviolved in what should have generated NCAA sanctions for missippi. We are dealing with a rule bending liar with our on probation basketball program.
Stay clean. No Freeze. No trolls here either...this has been played out and does not need more missippi condescending a$$holes that think they know more about football because their team happens to be 3-1 right now and they liked the boy king.
(10-05-2009 04:31 PM)MemphisRebel82 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2009 04:07 PM)homefry20 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2009 04:04 PM)MemphisRebel82 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2009 03:42 PM)clutchbuckets Wrote: [ -> ]That is all I need to say and he doesn't need a Rip Scherer 5 year plan.
The guy can coach; all he does is win. He will win 8 games minimum next year if they hire him.
The only thing I would worry about with Hugh is whether or not he has the contacts to put together a top quality staff. He's young, ambitious, driven, he's a good recruiter, a good offensive mind and his brand of football is very entertaining. He will SELL the program.
But coming to Memphis from Lambuth would be skipping a step. He needs to show success on a level between NAIA and Memphis. It would suit him to go to a I-AA program for a few seasons and show he can win there.
In 4 or 5 years he might be a great get... but it just doesn't look like the timing is right for Memphis and Hugh.
Why? We are on the fast track to have our 2nd 10 loss season in four years and only one winning season in between. If he goes 3-9 in his first season, it would still be considered improvement.
Why?
Have you ever seen an NAIA football game? The difference between that and Division I-A is absolutely night and day. From the speed of the players and the game, to the sophistication of the coaching, to the competition for recruits, to the importance of developing a solid gameplan as a head coach.... being a head coach at the NAIA level and at the D-IA level are two different things.
Now Hugh did get a taste of that during his years on O's staff... and he was a good WR coach in his last year at Ole Miss, so he has been exposed to the D-IA level and it would not be totally foreign to him. But in my opinion he could use a few years being a HC at an intermediate level somewhere between the NAIA and Memphis, and that at this point in time there are better suited candidates out there. You never know how a coaching search is going to go and I wouldn't rule him out completely... definitely keep his phone number on hand if things don't go well with your first 5 or 6 prospects. But in an ideal world he would have a few more years seasoning before landing a job on the Memphis level.
Turn your sarcasm meter up a bit...It was merely a shot at West
Freeze is not getting this head job.
We could have hired Ted Anderson as bb coach also.
(10-05-2009 04:40 PM)Strat57 Wrote: [ -> ]Freeze is not getting this head job.
That is what all you guys said about Pastner.
(10-05-2009 04:40 PM)Strat57 Wrote: [ -> ]Freeze is not getting this head job.
keep your personal matter to yourself
(10-05-2009 04:36 PM)homefry20 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2009 04:31 PM)MemphisRebel82 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2009 04:07 PM)homefry20 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2009 04:04 PM)MemphisRebel82 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2009 03:42 PM)clutchbuckets Wrote: [ -> ]That is all I need to say and he doesn't need a Rip Scherer 5 year plan.
The guy can coach; all he does is win. He will win 8 games minimum next year if they hire him.
The only thing I would worry about with Hugh is whether or not he has the contacts to put together a top quality staff. He's young, ambitious, driven, he's a good recruiter, a good offensive mind and his brand of football is very entertaining. He will SELL the program.
But coming to Memphis from Lambuth would be skipping a step. He needs to show success on a level between NAIA and Memphis. It would suit him to go to a I-AA program for a few seasons and show he can win there.
In 4 or 5 years he might be a great get... but it just doesn't look like the timing is right for Memphis and Hugh.
Why? We are on the fast track to have our 2nd 10 loss season in four years and only one winning season in between. If he goes 3-9 in his first season, it would still be considered improvement.
Why?
Have you ever seen an NAIA football game? The difference between that and Division I-A is absolutely night and day. From the speed of the players and the game, to the sophistication of the coaching, to the competition for recruits, to the importance of developing a solid gameplan as a head coach.... being a head coach at the NAIA level and at the D-IA level are two different things.
Now Hugh did get a taste of that during his years on O's staff... and he was a good WR coach in his last year at Ole Miss, so he has been exposed to the D-IA level and it would not be totally foreign to him. But in my opinion he could use a few years being a HC at an intermediate level somewhere between the NAIA and Memphis, and that at this point in time there are better suited candidates out there. You never know how a coaching search is going to go and I wouldn't rule him out completely... definitely keep his phone number on hand if things don't go well with your first 5 or 6 prospects. But in an ideal world he would have a few more years seasoning before landing a job on the Memphis level.
Turn your sarcasm meter up a bit...It was merely a shot at West
Whoops. My bad.
(10-05-2009 04:34 PM)Mimi Wrote: [ -> ]Freeze has shown he is willing to cheat and bend rules.
We should not get involved with anyone that was inviolved in what should have generated NCAA sanctions for missippi. We are dealing with a rule bending liar with our on probation basketball program.
Stay clean. No Freeze. No trolls here either...this has been played out and does not need more missippi condescending a$$holes that think they know more about football because their team happens to be 3-1 right now and they liked the boy king.
Just out of curiosity, are you saying he will cheat and bend rules because he rode Michael Oher into a college coaching job?
(10-05-2009 04:54 PM)MemphisRebel82 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2009 04:36 PM)homefry20 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2009 04:31 PM)MemphisRebel82 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2009 04:07 PM)homefry20 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2009 04:04 PM)MemphisRebel82 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2009 03:42 PM)clutchbuckets Wrote: [ -> ]That is all I need to say and he doesn't need a Rip Scherer 5 year plan.
The guy can coach; all he does is win. He will win 8 games minimum next year if they hire him.
The only thing I would worry about with Hugh is whether or not he has the contacts to put together a top quality staff. He's young, ambitious, driven, he's a good recruiter, a good offensive mind and his brand of football is very entertaining. He will SELL the program.
But coming to Memphis from Lambuth would be skipping a step. He needs to show success on a level between NAIA and Memphis. It would suit him to go to a I-AA program for a few seasons and show he can win there.
In 4 or 5 years he might be a great get... but it just doesn't look like the timing is right for Memphis and Hugh.
Why? We are on the fast track to have our 2nd 10 loss season in four years and only one winning season in between. If he goes 3-9 in his first season, it would still be considered improvement.
Why?
Have you ever seen an NAIA football game? The difference between that and Division I-A is absolutely night and day. From the speed of the players and the game, to the sophistication of the coaching, to the competition for recruits, to the importance of developing a solid gameplan as a head coach.... being a head coach at the NAIA level and at the D-IA level are two different things.
Now Hugh did get a taste of that during his years on O's staff... and he was a good WR coach in his last year at Ole Miss, so he has been exposed to the D-IA level and it would not be totally foreign to him. But in my opinion he could use a few years being a HC at an intermediate level somewhere between the NAIA and Memphis, and that at this point in time there are better suited candidates out there. You never know how a coaching search is going to go and I wouldn't rule him out completely... definitely keep his phone number on hand if things don't go well with your first 5 or 6 prospects. But in an ideal world he would have a few more years seasoning before landing a job on the Memphis level.
Turn your sarcasm meter up a bit...It was merely a shot at West
Whoops. My bad.
No problem...
And for some non-sarcasm...Huge Freeze will not get this job. With the boosters ready to put up some dough, there will be someone hired that has one, if not more, of the following:
1) Big time name
2) Continued success at the D1 level
3) Alum with success at coordinator level
Freeze is not an option. I think the big money guys want to give it one more last hoorah to see if hiring a big name coach can get us to the next step as a program.
(10-05-2009 04:48 PM)clutchbuckets Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2009 04:40 PM)Strat57 Wrote: [ -> ]Freeze is not getting this head job.
That is what all you guys said about Pastner.
Actually, lot's of people said he WAS getting the job. I would like to see Hugh on the staff...but he's not ready to be a D 1 head coach...ESPECIALLY since the Big East is watching closely to see who we hire.
(10-05-2009 04:22 PM)clutchbuckets Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2009 04:14 PM)mphstiger Wrote: [ -> ]You are kidding, right? He would be cheap, we could probably offer him $80 or 90,000. Just imagine the coaching staff he could put together.
Dead serious. Keep in mind that Graf is tight with Freeze.
I did hear this as well, even that Fred Smith himself as been keeping up with him. I heard this second hand but did hear it nonetheless. I have also heard Freeze may be a candidate for the SEMO job, as their coach is in hot water as well.
(10-05-2009 04:22 PM)TigerTim Wrote: [ -> ]We could make a worse higher, but he will not be the "WOW" hire.
I think he will definitely prove to be a WOW hire, but was Josh considered a WOW hire?
Just sayin. I think we could do way worse than Hugh Freeze. He would be an awesome motivator, in my opinion. He is one astute guy about character.
(10-05-2009 04:40 PM)Strat57 Wrote: [ -> ]Freeze is not getting this head job.
Strat, I am a little slow but he would make a nice OC?
Please NO!!!!!! That would make our Univ the equivalient to Molar Barber School. You know, the place where stylists LEARN to actually cut and style hair. Unfortunately this leads to embarassement for the unluckly guinea pigs. Let's not be guinea pigs. Assuming he can coach can he recruit players and excite/motive fans and boosters? If so, then document this for the rest of us.
This hire would not excite the fan base and thus is automatically off the list in my opinion.
Would people quit comparing football and basketball when making a point.
If Coach P was coaching in the MSC, with the old basketball facilities and was still able to land recruits... throw in that the best we can get is a Sweet 16 finish.... and STILL able to land recruits, I would consider it a "wow" hire. Keep in mind that he has yet to coach his first game and he only kept one recruit and landed one plus a transfer. Nobody else is signed with us just yet. (don't take that wrong, I think Coach P will be a great coach and has done an incredible job... just trying to point out the differences in basketball and football)
Football is world's different.
(10-05-2009 04:05 PM)3601 Wrote: [ -> ]Food for thought...
Hugh Freeze has been a head coach (and won) in both high school and college. Josh Pastner hasn't been a head coach at either one of those levels.
Hugh Freeze graduated from college in 1992. Josh Pastner graduated from college in 1998.
Just saying.
Concur.
Best name I've hear mentioned besides Theus that is actually obtainable.
(10-05-2009 07:36 PM)tigernole79 Wrote: [ -> ]Would people quit comparing football and basketball when making a point.
If Coach P was coaching in the MSC, with the old basketball facilities and was still able to land recruits... throw in that the best we can get is a Sweet 16 finish.... and STILL able to land recruits, I would consider it a "wow" hire. Keep in mind that he has yet to coach his first game and he only kept one recruit and landed one plus a transfer. Nobody else is signed with us just yet. (don't take that wrong, I think Coach P will be a great coach and has done an incredible job... just trying to point out the differences in basketball and football)
Football is world's different.
Ah, there it is the old favorite "facilities" argument. People compare Pastner and a new football coach because people want a young energetic coach that will WORK and RECRUIT and not sit around and cry about non-BCS and all the other stupid excuses. Do the facilties need to be better. absolutely, but you could give tommy west a billion dollar stadium lined with platinum and diamonds and he would never win the conference.
(10-05-2009 04:18 PM)mairving Wrote: [ -> ]Lambuth was 3-8 the year before Freeze came. They were 8-4 in his first year. Currently they are 5-0.
I didn't read the rest of the posts in this thread. His team this year is VERY good, they have beaten two Division II teams. That is suppose to be a big jump from NAIA (which Lambuth is in the tranistion of making, if their financial situation improves.) I am a Lambuth alum (and a Memphis alum) and was 100% against his being hired at Lambuth when his he was hired, because I had heard about all the baggage (he cheats, rode Sean Tuohy's "son" to a college job, etc.) Well, I have met the man several times, have heard him speak many others, and I would say, based on my experience and not hearsay, he is a good man. But more importantly, the man can coach football and can recruit. If he can bring good football players to a school that is struggling and with no guarantee that it will be around in three years, it is my belief that he can bring quality kids (good players) to a struggling D-I program. I understand that there are far more NAIA level players than D-I level players, but I think Coach Freeze would be a big improvement over our current coach.
Memphis basketball was still a national player when Pastner was hired. The basketball program could take a risk by hiring a high-profile assistant with no major head coaching experience.
The football program cannot take that risk.
Freeze cheats? What did I miss?
It looks like the only one that wants this job is Tommy West. Screw it I give up. Let him run the damn thing into the ground! Im tired of arguing.
(10-05-2009 07:59 PM)BrianJ Wrote: [ -> ]Memphis basketball was still a national player when Pastner was hired. The basketball program could take a risk by hiring a high-profile assistant with no major head coaching experience.
The football program cannot take that risk.
We really haven't taken a risk with our last five or six hires. Maybe a risk is what we need. What's the worst thing that could happen?
By the way, I'm simply playing devil's advocate.
We need a workaholic and a recruiter.
(10-05-2009 07:04 PM)MGR Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2009 04:22 PM)clutchbuckets Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2009 04:14 PM)mphstiger Wrote: [ -> ]You are kidding, right? He would be cheap, we could probably offer him $80 or 90,000. Just imagine the coaching staff he could put together.
Dead serious. Keep in mind that Graf is tight with Freeze.
I did hear this as well, even that Fred Smith himself as been keeping up with him. I heard this second hand but did hear it nonetheless. I have also heard Freeze may be a candidate for the SEMO job, as their coach is in hot water as well.
Are we really so low that we're going to compete with OVC schools for coaches now? That should say a lot.
I'm afraid the football coaching issue is going to get just as ridiculous on here as the basketball coaching issue...
Since Pastner is mentioned quite a bit when talking about Freeze, let me explain the differences....
Pastner has been a known commodity in the coaching community since he was a FREAKING TEENAGER!!! He's been looked upon as "one of the next big coaches" since he was in his early 20s!
Pastner has tie ins with damned near EVERYONE in college basketball (as well as much of the NBA). Freeze may know a guy or two, but we need someone who can work the entire country to find "gems" talent wise. Hugh doesn't have the contacts at this point to make that work.
Pastner is enough of a name to land guys like Wilson, Cyprien, and Murphy on his staff. Freeze isn't.
Freeze does not have enough experience in bigtime football. Period.
A few years on a DI staff and Freeze might just turn into the next JoPa. However, RIGHT NOW, Memphis cannot afford to wait. We're behind the 8 ball right now guys. This hire might just be the most important in the history of the program. It's time to get ahead or forever be left behind.
I don't know about him as far as being a HC but i would love to see him on next year's staff, he can really recruit.
(10-05-2009 09:41 PM)Dak10 Wrote: [ -> ]We need Hugh Freeze.
Not as a head coach we don't.
(10-05-2009 09:45 PM)transitt Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2009 09:41 PM)Dak10 Wrote: [ -> ]We need Hugh Freeze.
Not as a head coach we don't.
Agree and Agree
Bring him in as an OC.
Dooley, Bowden, Porter as HC
(10-05-2009 09:51 PM)homefry20 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2009 09:45 PM)transitt Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2009 09:41 PM)Dak10 Wrote: [ -> ]We need Hugh Freeze.
Not as a head coach we don't.
Agree and Agree
It's a no for me.