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Memphis fans have already been quick to point out that Calipari has had two of two Final Fours vacated, but seem lost to the fact that the University of Memphis has had 2 of 3 final fours vacated

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Quote:Source: Memphis Tigers to forfeit record 2007-'08 basketball season
By Dan Wolken (Contact), Memphis Commercial Appeal
Originally published 10:55 p.m., August 19, 2009
Updated 10:59 p.m., August 19, 2009

The University of Memphis is expecting the release of a report from the NCAA Committee on Infractions on Thursday in which it will be forced to forfeit its record 38 victories and 2008 Final Four appearance, a source close to the situation confirmed to The Commercial Appeal on Wednesday.

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Memphis' basketball program was accused in January of major violations, the most serious of which was that former Tiger point guard Derrick Rose had a stand-in take his SAT for him. Memphis also was cited for failure to monitor its charter travel system, as investigators found $2,260 in unpaid expenses by Rose's brother, Reggie Rose.

Memphis appeared before the Committee on Infractions on June 6.

This will mark the second Final Four appearance that Memphis has been forced to vacate, joining Dana Kirk's 1985 squad. Only the 1973 team's trip to the NCAA title game under coach Gene Bartow will stand in the official NCAA record book.

It will also be the second vacated Final Four for former coach John Calipari, whose 1996 trip with UMass was expunged after it was revealed that former star Marcus Camby had taken money from an agent.

Penalties that would impact the program going forward, such as scholarship losses, are not included in the report, according to a source.

Neither Memphis athletic director R.C. Johnson nor coach Josh Pastner was available for comment.

I guess UAB students storming the court was legitimate after all. According to the NCAA, UAB won that game.

(08-19-2009 11:27 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote: [ -> ]I guess UAB students storming the court was legitimate after all. According to the NCAA, UAB won that game.

No according to the NCAA there was no winner of that game. Vacated means the victory is vacated and the records of the "winning" team are adjusted . It has no bearing on the losers records, at all.

Forfeited would mean that both teams records would be adjusted accordingly.

It's not just semantics of the NCAA using different terms. The differences were explained when FSU's penalities were handed down.

(08-19-2009 11:34 PM)blazerjay Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-19-2009 11:27 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote: [ -> ]I guess UAB students storming the court was legitimate after all. According to the NCAA, UAB won that game.

No according to the NCAA there was no winner of that game. Vacated means the victory is vacated and the records of the "winning" team are adjusted . It has no bearing on the losers records, at all.

Forfeited would mean that both teams records would be adjusted accordingly.

It's not just semantics of the NCAA using different terms. The differences were explained when FSU's penalities were handed down.

I figured that, but it didn't help the joke.

While I don't doubt you and your knowledge of NCAA rules, why was UAB's record adjusted from 14-16 to 15-15 back in 1994-95 when Auburn had to forfeit a win.

However, does this mean that UAB would be CUSA regular season champs for 07-08 since we did finish in 2nd place? Or Memphis doesn't have to vacate that title?

(08-19-2009 11:43 PM)BlazerRod Wrote: [ -> ]However, does this mean that UAB would be CUSA regular season champs for 07-08 since we did finish in 2nd place? Or Memphis doesn't have to vacate that title?

Most likely not. A vacated title generally means no one replaces it.

The question to ponder is this:

Without Derrick Rose, could Memphis have beaten UAB that year. UAB came within a hair's breadth of winning with him playing.

(08-19-2009 11:40 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-19-2009 11:34 PM)blazerjay Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-19-2009 11:27 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote: [ -> ]I guess UAB students storming the court was legitimate after all. According to the NCAA, UAB won that game.

No according to the NCAA there was no winner of that game. Vacated means the victory is vacated and the records of the "winning" team are adjusted . It has no bearing on the losers records, at all.

Forfeited would mean that both teams records would be adjusted accordingly.

It's not just semantics of the NCAA using different terms. The differences were explained when FSU's penalities were handed down.

I figured that, but it didn't help the joke.

While I don't doubt you and your knowledge of NCAA rules, why was UAB's record adjusted from 14-16 to 15-15 back in 1994-95 when Auburn had to forfeit a win.

Because Auburn was forced to FORFEIT...not vacate. This vacate nonsense is a relatively NCAA penalty when it comes to disposing of ill gotten wins.

I'm sure you guys remember of the past several years, when anyone brought up Calipari and the vacated UMASS Final Four, some Tiger fan would immediatley point out that Calipari was cleared of any wrongdoing in that case, therefore he is clean. It was all on the school. Reading the whining on empty.org that Memphis should go unpunished because it is all Calipari's fault, well it makes me laugh.

(08-19-2009 11:52 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-19-2009 11:43 PM)BlazerRod Wrote: [ -> ]However, does this mean that UAB would be CUSA regular season champs for 07-08 since we did finish in 2nd place? Or Memphis doesn't have to vacate that title?

Most likely not. A vacated title generally means no one replaces it.

The question to ponder is this:

Without Derrick Rose, could Memphis have beaten UAB that year. UAB came within a hair's breadth of winning with him playing.

Probably so, Derrick Rose played like **** in that game. He wasn't much of a factor. CDR and Antonio Anderson were the ones who were the difference.

BTW, does this mean that UAB gets to move their student section back by the tunnel since the incident after the game never happened?

Great story!

A more important question : How will this affect the money Memphis (and Conference USA) got for the final four appearance?

Boy, empty might just be a good board to steer clear of today.

why just today?

No matter to me. Our program is still in better shape than it was pre-Cal. He may have been dirty but unlike many Memphis fans I haven't talked trash about him. Cal did alot of great things while he was at Memphis. Most people won't really care if the NCAA strips Memphis of the wins. Memphis was at the final four in 2008, even if it is not official. IMO bad publicity is better than no publicity at all. Memphis bball is relevant and thats all that matters in terms of getting recruits and winning bball games.

Goodbye NCAA tournament credits for Conference USA members...

Not to kick people when they're down, but this caused me to laugh out loud.

Quote:But it was gone, all gone! No win streak! No Final Four appearance! No awesome finish at UAB! No 50-20 halftime lead over Michigan State in Houston! Turkey Hash! Turkey a la King! Or gallons of turkey soup! Gone, ALL GONE!

(08-20-2009 08:32 AM)UofMfan18 Wrote: [ -> ]No matter to me. Our program is still in better shape than it was pre-Cal. He may have been dirty but unlike many Memphis fans I haven't talked trash about him. Cal did alot of great things while he was at Memphis. Most people won't really care if the NCAA strips Memphis of the wins. Memphis was at the final four in 2008, even if it is not official. IMO bad publicity is better than no publicity at all. Memphis bball is relevant and thats all that matters in terms of getting recruits and winning bball games.

Oh I can think of someone who would disagree...

(08-20-2009 08:32 AM)UofMfan18 Wrote: [ -> ]No matter to me. Our program is still in better shape than it was pre-Cal. He may have been dirty but unlike many Memphis fans I haven't talked trash about him. Cal did alot of great things while he was at Memphis. Most people won't really care if the NCAA strips Memphis of the wins. Memphis was at the final four in 2008, even if it is not official. IMO bad publicity is better than no publicity at all. Memphis bball is relevant and thats all that matters in terms of getting recruits and winning bball games.

I'm sorry, I think I'm going to riff on this all day. This is the greatest post in the universe to me. Try this: sit back and picture all of that coming out of Spencer Pratt's mouth. Yeah. Just kind of fits perfectly doesn't it?

(08-20-2009 08:32 AM)UofMfan18 Wrote: [ -> ]No matter to me. Our program is still in better shape than it was pre-Cal. He may have been dirty but unlike many Memphis fans I haven't talked trash about him. Cal did alot of great things while he was at Memphis. Most people won't really care if the NCAA strips Memphis of the wins. Memphis was at the final four in 2008, even if it is not official. IMO bad publicity is better than no publicity at all. Memphis bball is relevant and thats all that matters in terms of getting recruits and winning bball games.

"I didn't do it! Nobody saw me do it! You can't prove anything!"

Just my opinion. I'm sure there are quite a few Memphis fans who feel like the sky is falling but I just don't see it that way. I means do you consider UMASS to be a dirty school? None of the penalties are going to affect the future of the program and I truly believe it will not affect Pastner's ability to recruit the top talent.

(08-20-2009 08:32 AM)UofMfan18 Wrote: [ -> ]No matter to me. Our program is still in better shape than it was pre-Cal. He may have been dirty but unlike many Memphis fans I haven't talked trash about him. Cal did alot of great things while he was at Memphis. Most people won't really care if the NCAA strips Memphis of the wins. Memphis was at the final four in 2008, even if it is not official. IMO bad publicity is better than no publicity at all. Memphis bball is relevant and thats all that matters in terms of getting recruits and winning bball games.

Sad tiger cares. Sad tiger cares very much. Sad tiger is ashamed. Sad tiger would eat you, but he is sad. So, so sad.

I thought they were dirty. Seems I was proven right. Did Memphis cheat? I think you know that answer.

The games should be forfeited and not vacated. What if I got in my car and won the Boston marathon and the race officials said that since I cheated nobody wins? Is that fair to the person who would have won had I not shown up that day? Me saying "I probably could have won that race even if I didn't have the car" doesn't mean anything. We will never know since I violated the rules and the other runners shouldn't be punished for my actions.

(08-20-2009 08:32 AM)UofMfan18 Wrote: [ -> ]No matter to me. Our program is still in better shape than it was pre-Cal. He may have been dirty but unlike many Memphis fans I haven't talked trash about him. Cal did alot of great things while he was at Memphis. Most people won't really care if the NCAA strips Memphis of the wins. Memphis was at the final four in 2008, even if it is not official. IMO bad publicity is better than no publicity at all. Memphis bball is relevant and thats all that matters in terms of getting recruits and winning bball games.

My brothers, my sisters,

Today I am wearing my "Beat memphis" shirt from that glorious February day when UAB did, indeed, Beat memphis. We knew in our hearts that our powerful Belief could only to overcome by extra-legal means, that nothing short of filthy and deliberate cheating could deny our Gene-given victory.

memphis? memphis is nothing. They do not even deserve a capital letter, having had that vacated for their filthy and deliberate cheating. Their fans? They can keep memphisting each other in a desperate attempt to ignore this reality, but they will remain the blue men and gray women, empty inside and devoid of all achievement.

They strutted, they preened, they loved their Cal and then were made to take the Walk of Shame. Let them take pride in their new record: the only school in NCAA history to have TWO Final Fours vacated. Two of them. They do still have one, but they themselves reject this by spouting the most horrible filth about Gene Bartow. Surely memphis does not wish to be associated with "f$%^ing Gene Bartow."

Enjoy your empty lives, cockroaches. You have sown the wind, and now reap the whirlwind. You came to Birmingham and you lost. YOU LOST. Feel the NCAA's memphist ram its way upward and relish every microsecond.

(08-20-2009 08:26 AM)oldblazer79 Wrote: [ -> ]why just today?

+1

(08-20-2009 08:32 AM)UofMfan18 Wrote: [ -> ]No matter to me. Our program is still in better shape than it was pre-Cal. He may have been dirty but unlike many Memphis fans I haven't talked trash about him. Cal did alot of great things while he was at Memphis. Most people won't really care if the NCAA strips Memphis of the wins. Memphis was at the final four in 2008, even if it is not official. IMO bad publicity is better than no publicity at all. Memphis bball is relevant and thats all that matters in terms of getting recruits and winning bball games.

Good God. Memphis delusion at its finest.

(08-20-2009 08:47 AM)blazr Wrote: [ -> ]Sad tiger cares. Sad tiger cares very much. Sad tiger is ashamed. Sad tiger would eat you, but he is sad. So, so sad.

That is one of the funniest posts I've ever read here. Of course, I was already in a good mood after reading about the "Memphis Vacation," but it was still choice.

(08-20-2009 08:32 AM)UofMfan18 Wrote: [ -> ]Memphis was at the final four in 2008

What Final Four?

(08-20-2009 09:14 AM)58-56 Wrote: [ -> ]My brothers, my sisters,

Today I am wearing my "Beat memphis" shirt from that glorious February day when UAB did, indeed, Beat memphis. We knew in our hearts that our powerful Belief could only to overcome by extra-legal means, that nothing short of filthy and deliberate cheating could deny our Gene-given victory.

memphis? memphis is nothing. They do not even deserve a capital letter, having had that vacated for their filthy and deliberate cheating. Their fans? They can keep memphisting each other in a desperate attempt to ignore this reality, but they will remain the blue men and gray women, empty inside and devoid of all achievement.

They strutted, they preened, they loved their Cal and then were made to take the Walk of Shame. Let them take pride in their new record: the only school in NCAA history to have TWO Final Fours vacated. Two of them. They do still have one, but they themselves reject this by spouting the most horrible filth about Gene Bartow. Surely memphis does not wish to be associated with "f$%^ing Gene Bartow."

Enjoy your empty lives, cockroaches. You have sown the wind, and now reap the whirlwind. You came to Birmingham and you lost. YOU LOST. Feel the NCAA's memphist ram its way upward and relish every microsecond.

+1

Gene Bartow has taken them to their only Final 4 that has not been stripped by the NCAA.

For all the trash talking and the talking down to folks and the downright nastiness of most Memphis fans over the last few years... I don't think anyone is really feeling sorry for them. Certainly no UAB fan would, nor should they. As far as I'm concerned, the chickens have come home to roost.

And as far as I know, there's still some questions about whether they vacate the wins or they will be forfeited. I've seen several reports saying they would be forfeited. But either way, I think that since Memphis has been essentially declared ineligible for that season, that the team with that finished 2nd should win the conference. I know it may or may not work that way, but it should. Rose didn't have a great game against us, but in case folks forget, the game's margin was razor thin. His mere presence on the court influenced the game... even if nothing else but requiring us to focus our defense more in on Rose which then freed up some of the other Memphis players. One player can make a huge difference. But it's not like in the case of the game at UAB like a huge difference was even needed. UAB should be CUSA champion in 2007-2008.

(08-20-2009 09:14 AM)58-56 Wrote: [ -> ]My brothers, my sisters,

Today I am wearing my "Beat memphis" shirt from that glorious February day when UAB did, indeed, Beat memphis. We knew in our hearts that our powerful Belief could only to overcome by extra-legal means, that nothing short of filthy and deliberate cheating could deny our Gene-given victory.

memphis? memphis is nothing. They do not even deserve a capital letter, having had that vacated for their filthy and deliberate cheating. Their fans? They can keep memphisting each other in a desperate attempt to ignore this reality, but they will remain the blue men and gray women, empty inside and devoid of all achievement.

They strutted, they preened, they loved their Cal and then were made to take the Walk of Shame. Let them take pride in their new record: the only school in NCAA history to have TWO Final Fours vacated. Two of them. They do still have one, but they themselves reject this by spouting the most horrible filth about Gene Bartow. Surely memphis does not wish to be associated with "f$%^ing Gene Bartow."

Enjoy your empty lives, cockroaches. You have sown the wind, and now reap the whirlwind. You came to Birmingham and you lost. YOU LOST. Feel the NCAA's memphist ram its way upward and relish every microsecond.

Go read our smack board sometime, if you have any questions on whether some Memphis fans deserved that.

couldn't happen to a nicer bunch




A@@holes

(08-20-2009 09:54 AM)bftb Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-20-2009 08:47 AM)blazr Wrote: [ -> ]Sad tiger cares. Sad tiger cares very much. Sad tiger is ashamed. Sad tiger would eat you, but he is sad. So, so sad.

That is one of the funniest posts I've ever read here. Of course, I was already in a good mood after reading about the "Memphis Vacation," but it was still choice.

Thanks, bftb, but now I'm in a quandary. I wanna run with UofMFan's post because it is so ripe for humor pickings, but I think I led with my ringer. I'm trying to top "sad tiger" and I don't think it's going to happen. You know what they say, always leave 'em wanting more...

Surely someone else can step up to the plate here. Smaug? STL? FN? Come on, guys, this one is teed up...

Why doesn't UAB join the Sunbelt where you belong and C-USA can get USA or Troy.

(08-20-2009 01:54 PM)3drain Wrote: [ -> ]Why doesn't UAB join the Sunbelt where you belong and C-USA can get USA or Troy.

Nah. Only one of us has been to NCAA prison. We'll just hold on tightly to the soap around you guys...

(08-20-2009 01:54 PM)3drain Wrote: [ -> ]Why doesn't UAB join the Sunbelt where you belong and C-USA can get USA or Troy.

Wow. That creativity is astounding.

Come to think about it. The Sunbelt belt wouldn't take UAB either.

(08-20-2009 08:47 AM)blazr Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-20-2009 08:32 AM)UofMfan18 Wrote: [ -> ]No matter to me. Our program is still in better shape than it was pre-Cal. He may have been dirty but unlike many Memphis fans I haven't talked trash about him. Cal did alot of great things while he was at Memphis. Most people won't really care if the NCAA strips Memphis of the wins. Memphis was at the final four in 2008, even if it is not official. IMO bad publicity is better than no publicity at all. Memphis bball is relevant and thats all that matters in terms of getting recruits and winning bball games.

Sad tiger cares. Sad tiger cares very much. Sad tiger is ashamed. Sad tiger would eat you, but he is sad. So, so sad.

I guess i'm supposed to cry or something.

Okay---serious question. Does it bother anyone that Kansas and USC played with ineligible players and nothing happens to them?
Duke has done the same in the past.

Look, I am not about to crow that we don't deserve some punishment. But, as a conf. member with us you should be concerned at this type of reaction from a BCS biased org.

" Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere".

(08-20-2009 03:17 PM)UofMfan18 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-20-2009 08:47 AM)blazr Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-20-2009 08:32 AM)UofMfan18 Wrote: [ -> ]No matter to me. Our program is still in better shape than it was pre-Cal. He may have been dirty but unlike many Memphis fans I haven't talked trash about him. Cal did alot of great things while he was at Memphis. Most people won't really care if the NCAA strips Memphis of the wins. Memphis was at the final four in 2008, even if it is not official. IMO bad publicity is better than no publicity at all. Memphis bball is relevant and thats all that matters in terms of getting recruits and winning bball games.

Sad tiger cares. Sad tiger cares very much. Sad tiger is ashamed. Sad tiger would eat you, but he is sad. So, so sad.

I guess i'm supposed to cry or something.

UM brothers and sisters, that post was funny. Give credit where credit is due.

(08-20-2009 03:12 PM)3drain Wrote: [ -> ]Come to think about it. The Sunbelt belt wouldn't take UAB either.

This is once in a lifetime genius ladies and gents. Recognize it while you still can!

"Does it bother anyone that Kansas and USC played with ineligible players and nothing happens to them?"

Kansas and USC fans don't come scuttling across OUR kitchen floor on a regular basis.

(08-20-2009 04:12 PM)58-56 Wrote: [ -> ]"Does it bother anyone that Kansas and USC played with ineligible players and nothing happens to them?"

Kansas and USC fans don't come scuttling across OUR kitchen floor on a regular basis.

Fair enough response, I guess.

But know that Memphis will appeal and maybe win with the media storm behind it. How can a clearinghouse clear a kid, and then " change their mind" because he will not answer them?

I would still say it was unfair if it happened to UAB and the other teams skated.

memphis will appeal and is unlikely to win for the very reasons you cite. It's not a conspiracy, it's simple business. memphis stole money from the cartel. The cartel will punish memphis.

And I do not choose those words randomly. In their view, a non-BCS school grabbing Final Four credits is a dealer working the wrong corner or a whore walking the wrong street - and college basketball is in many ways a criminal enterprise on par with drug-dealing and prostitution, just somewhat less honest. memphis does not belong, they are not part of the cartel, and they will be punished.

(08-20-2009 04:07 PM)TMcCarty Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-20-2009 03:12 PM)3drain Wrote: [ -> ]Come to think about it. The Sunbelt belt wouldn't take UAB either.

This is once in a lifetime genius ladies and gents. Recognize it while you still can!

admit it. The truth stings a little bit.

The truth that stings is that you only won because you cheated.

You can cheat on a test and get good enough grades to pass and get a degree, but deep down inside you'll still know that you didn't earn it.

I don't make any claim whatsoever that we won a championship that season. We were not able to get it done on the court. That said, AJ took that phantom fifth foul with his hand a foot above Rose... whose cheating feet should not have sullied the court at Bartow.

The Memphis fans strutted and bragged and stunk up our board behind a cheating coach and a player who should not have been in uniform. That means that they own the taste of ashes in their mouths when the truth comes out.

We came by our wins honestly. Our kids earned them. They didn't buy them, they didn't cheat their way into them.

3drain, crawl on back to your board. I don't like the trail of slime you're leaving on ours.


You can call Calipari "Coach X" and jeer at him because he left, but in my mind's eye he'll always be wearing Memphis blue. He was and remains a great fit with the culture up there.

My apologies to decent Memphis fans such as Oldtiger and egrizzard who have the honesty and stones to be hurt and embarrassed by the behavior of the team they love instead of making mealy mouthed excuses for a lowlife wearing their colors.