NCAAbbs

Don't think it can't happen, Memphis fans. Kentucky job is more complex because of the history between Cal and some of the folks in the admin in Lexington but the interest between he and the UA is very much mutual. There are other candidates for the Arizona job but Cal is (not surprisingly) right at the top of the list.

oh ok

please lord make it stop

yea run along now make sure to put your tooth under your pillow tonight too

(03-27-2009 04:39 PM)Jonathan Dintzer Wrote: [ -> ]Don't think it can't happen, Memphis fans. Kentucky job is more complex because of the history between Cal and some of the folks in the admin in Lexington but the interest between he and the UA is very much mutual. There are other candidates for the Arizona job but Cal is (not surprisingly) right at the top of the list.

Amazing. Really, it's amazing. The guy says he's not going anywhere. He has said this for a long time. Yet you choose to dis-believe him, to, in effect, say that he may be a liar, with no evidence of such. I know other coaches have said similar things, so that's means they all act that way?

Maybe it's just me. I think Coach Cal is a man of his word. But maybe I'm out of touch.

(03-27-2009 04:39 PM)Jonathan Dintzer Wrote: [ -> ]Don't think it can't happen, Memphis fans. Kentucky job is more complex because of the history between Cal and some of the folks in the admin in Lexington but the interest between he and the UA is very much mutual. There are other candidates for the Arizona job but Cal is (not surprisingly) right at the top of the list.

Do we have to pay for this information.

(03-27-2009 04:39 PM)Jonathan Dintzer Wrote: [ -> ]Don't think it can't happen, Memphis fans. Kentucky job is more complex because of the history between Cal and some of the folks in the admin in Lexington but the interest between he and the UA is very much mutual. There are other candidates for the Arizona job but Cal is (not surprisingly) right at the top of the list.

What. No spamming your site this time?

Go away.

The Lady Tigers have better practice facilities than the Arizona men's team. Cal would take that job first.

All Cal has to do is say that he is not interested in any jobs.Thats it. End of story

(03-27-2009 04:45 PM)memphisj7 Wrote: [ -> ]All Cal has to do is say that he is not interested in any jobs.Thats it. End of story

Hasn't he?

(03-27-2009 04:54 PM)amish_ashaman Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2009 04:45 PM)memphisj7 Wrote: [ -> ]All Cal has to do is say that he is not interested in any jobs.Thats it. End of story

Hasn't he?

Yes. But that doesn't mean this crap won't continue.

This has probably been posted elsewhere already today, but in the sports/video (whatever it is) section of http://www.myfoxmemphis.com There's a video of Cal getting off the bus, and when asked about the Kentucky job (and assuming any other job) he basically interrupted the reporter and said "No, no. Here is where I want to be."

Game over, stop bringing it up and keeping me from sleep at night.

katz just reported on sportscenter that cal wanted the job-i hate katz

He's said it a few times. I know Wolo is not always the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he said that Bronczak told him that NOBODY would outbid him for Cal. When I heard Cal talking about the game last year and how much it would have meant for the city, he never referred to the city as "Memphis". He kept saying "We". He's part of the city now, and it is pretty obvious to me that he doesn't want to go anywhere. And with what is likely his all-time favorite recruit coming in next year (X), he's not about to get off of this ride.

(03-27-2009 04:41 PM)phototiger Wrote: [ -> ]please lord make it stop

man, i totally agree.

(03-27-2009 04:39 PM)Jonathan Dintzer Wrote: [ -> ]Don't think it can't happen, Memphis fans. Kentucky job is more complex because of the history between Cal and some of the folks in the admin in Lexington but the interest between he and the UA is very much mutual. There are other candidates for the Arizona job but Cal is (not surprisingly) right at the top of the list.

Thank God, I thought you were going to say Creighton........Now there
is where I get worried.

I don't understand why people have to be so naive. Obviously when things are close to your heart it's tough to have perspective, but the guy almost took the NC State job. That's NC State, folks. Other than a nice run over a 12 year span 25 years ago, that's the ugly stepchild of jobs in the ACC. Kentucky and Arizona are elite-level schools in big leagues. Just closing your eyes and wishing for it to go away is really ignorant...blaming the guy bringing you the information goes beyond that.

Other than being in a BCS conference, name 1 other thing Cal can gain from going to either Arizona or Kentucky?

(03-27-2009 05:17 PM)That_Guy Wrote: [ -> ]Other than being in a BCS conference, name 1 other thing Cal can gain from going to either Arizona or Kentucky?

A Wildcat letter sweater ??

"the guy almost took the NC State job."

No he didn't. That was to put RC in his place. Mission accomplished.

Here's the direct link to Cal's statement.

http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/sports/0...o_Kentucky

(03-27-2009 05:17 PM)That_Guy Wrote: [ -> ]Other than being in a BCS conference, name 1 other thing Cal can gain from going to either Arizona or Kentucky?

a headache.

tiger-viper

(03-27-2009 05:14 PM)Jonathan Dintzer Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand why people have to be so naive. Obviously when things are close to your heart it's tough to have perspective, but the guy almost took the NC State job. That's NC State, folks. Other than a nice run over a 12 year span 25 years ago, that's the ugly stepchild of jobs in the ACC. Kentucky and Arizona are elite-level schools in big leagues. Just closing your eyes and wishing for it to go away is really ignorant...blaming the guy bringing you the information goes beyond that.

Yes but that was due to the fact that RC was not working on a renewal and he STILL came back...I think RC got a wake up call and the FEDEX folks love Cal and will make sure he is taken care of. It wasnt NCState, it was to get RC's attention...a whole different issue.......

(03-27-2009 05:17 PM)That_Guy Wrote: [ -> ]Other than being in a BCS conference, name 1 other thing Cal can gain from going to either Arizona or Kentucky?

First and foremost, those places are destinations, both for coaches and players; he'd be settled for the rest of his career. Do you really think he likes recruiting the way he does at Memphis? Isn't it clear that it'd be easier run a program the way the rest of the elite-level schools do as opposed to how he has to go about doing it now?

(03-27-2009 05:25 PM)Pressed Rat Wrote: [ -> ]"the guy almost took the NC State job."

No he didn't. That was to put RC in his place. Mission accomplished.

actually he had decided to go due to the lowballing of RC ... Dinzer should know this if she knows anything ... Cal was insulted by RC and responded by looking at another job, he saw someone who REALLY REALLY wanted him and almost took the job.

From what I know ,and Ms Dinzer should know a lot more since she is a media insider , Calipari already has an extension in place that wil be announced in the next few days ..


Also ..... RC has very little to do with the basketball program at this point.

(03-27-2009 05:27 PM)Jonathan Dintzer Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2009 05:17 PM)That_Guy Wrote: [ -> ]Other than being in a BCS conference, name 1 other thing Cal can gain from going to either Arizona or Kentucky?

First and foremost, those places are destinations, both for coaches and players; he'd be settled for the rest of his career. Do you really think he likes recruiting the way he does at Memphis? Isn't it clear that it'd be easier run a program the way the rest of the elite-level schools do as opposed to how he has to go about doing it now?

yea we do it differently than KY-U, AZ and Kansas, they would have never taken a chance on D-Rose, Tyreeke, and Xavier Henry ....

(03-27-2009 05:27 PM)Jonathan Dintzer Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2009 05:17 PM)That_Guy Wrote: [ -> ]Other than being in a BCS conference, name 1 other thing Cal can gain from going to either Arizona or Kentucky?

First and foremost, those places are destinations, both for coaches and players; he'd be settled for the rest of his career. Do you really think he likes recruiting the way he does at Memphis? Isn't it clear that it'd be easier run a program the way the rest of the elite-level schools do as opposed to how he has to go about doing it now?

Wow it's almost like you are an Arizona graduate and fan. Oh wait you are. If Cal goes to Arizona will you be opening a pay site called Arizonacourtside?

(03-27-2009 05:27 PM)Jonathan Dintzer Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2009 05:17 PM)That_Guy Wrote: [ -> ]Other than being in a BCS conference, name 1 other thing Cal can gain from going to either Arizona or Kentucky?

First and foremost, those places are destinations, both for coaches and players; he'd be settled for the rest of his career. Do you really think he likes recruiting the way he does at Memphis? Isn't it clear that it'd be easier run a program the way the rest of the elite-level schools do as opposed to how he has to go about doing it now?

Actually, I think Cal LOVES recruiting. Period.

(03-27-2009 05:14 PM)Jonathan Dintzer Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand why people have to be so naive. Obviously when things are close to your heart it's tough to have perspective, but the guy almost took the NC State job. That's NC State, folks. Other than a nice run over a 12 year span 25 years ago, that's the ugly stepchild of jobs in the ACC. Kentucky and Arizona are elite-level schools in big leagues. Just closing your eyes and wishing for it to go away is really ignorant...blaming the guy bringing you the information goes beyond that.

Some people here are naive. Some aren't. When you are outside a program, even though you have contacts here, it is also hard to have complete perspective. Cal said a tentative yes to NC State. Ellen and Bradley said no. Cal was approached about KY before Gillispie accepted it, and shut that down. Cal makes plenty of money. He'll likely make more as he goes along here.

Some things have changed since NC State. Some haven't. He listens to offers through his rep, as anyone would do, but at this point, his motive goes beyond money. It's about legacy.

He wants to go 40-0. He can do that easier here than anywhere else, including KY or AZ. He's already attracting the best recruits. He is likely only coaching 10 more years, until Bradley graduates from college. He wants to coach Bradley, and Bradley and Ellen want to remain in Memphis.

There's a lot more, but that's all I can say publicly. So there's another perspective, and mine is not naive.

P.S. No one is shooting the messenger, in this case, you. Just providing a different perspective, one that is also well informed.

(03-27-2009 05:33 PM)mairving Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2009 05:27 PM)Jonathan Dintzer Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2009 05:17 PM)That_Guy Wrote: [ -> ]Other than being in a BCS conference, name 1 other thing Cal can gain from going to either Arizona or Kentucky?

First and foremost, those places are destinations, both for coaches and players; he'd be settled for the rest of his career. Do you really think he likes recruiting the way he does at Memphis? Isn't it clear that it'd be easier run a program the way the rest of the elite-level schools do as opposed to how he has to go about doing it now?

Wow it's almost like you are an Arizona graduate and fan. Oh wait you are. If Cal goes to Arizona will you be opening a pay site called Arizonacourtside?

you mean to tell me that Ms Dinzer is a AZ graduate and she thinks that AZ is a better job than Memphis ...?


What gives?

(03-27-2009 05:14 PM)Jonathan Dintzer Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand why people have to be so naive. Obviously when things are close to your heart it's tough to have perspective, but the guy almost took the NC State job. That's NC State, folks. Other than a nice run over a 12 year span 25 years ago, that's the ugly stepchild of jobs in the ACC. Kentucky and Arizona are elite-level schools in big leagues. Just closing your eyes and wishing for it to go away is really ignorant...blaming the guy bringing you the information goes beyond that.

That was before he was given a $5M longevity bonus plus have the best recruiting class of all time. Oh, he also wants to win a championship soon, not in the 5 or so years it would take to win at AZ.

Dry up and blow away

(03-27-2009 05:27 PM)Jonathan Dintzer Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2009 05:17 PM)That_Guy Wrote: [ -> ]Other than being in a BCS conference, name 1 other thing Cal can gain from going to either Arizona or Kentucky?

First and foremost, those places are destinations, both for coaches and players; he'd be settled for the rest of his career. Do you really think he likes recruiting the way he does at Memphis? Isn't it clear that it'd be easier run a program the way the rest of the elite-level schools do as opposed to how he has to go about doing it now?

Yeah if it's so much easier at UK or UA then why do they suck? and Memphis doesn't?

Quote:Kentucky and Arizona are elite-level schools in big leagues.

How are those teams and those leagues doing these days?
You are quite entertaining.

Gave this dude and his site a chance, really did. Now he just makes himself look like an idiot. Not the best way to appeal to your demographic man.

(03-27-2009 05:14 PM)Jonathan Dintzer Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand why people have to be so naive. Obviously when things are close to your heart it's tough to have perspective

Heh. As has been so eloquently pointed out to me, I'm not a Memphis fan. I'm a reporter, I cover the team. I'm not paid to be a fan, I'm paid to be objective and report what's going on, good or bad. I suppose some of these responses are predictable but that doesn't mean they aren't silly.

This is a fan's messageboard. We expect to hear good things about our team here. We don't have to be objective. It's not in the mission statement. While I appreciate your stance, I humbly suggest you go "report" your drivel somewhere where it will be appreciated. This is not that place.

(03-27-2009 05:27 PM)Jonathan Dintzer Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2009 05:17 PM)That_Guy Wrote: [ -> ]Other than being in a BCS conference, name 1 other thing Cal can gain from going to either Arizona or Kentucky?

First and foremost, those places are destinations, both for coaches and players; he'd be settled for the rest of his career. Do you really think he likes recruiting the way he does at Memphis? Isn't it clear that it'd be easier run a program the way the rest of the elite-level schools do as opposed to how he has to go about doing it now?

Arizona was not a destination job before Lute Olson, and has not proven whether it can be after his departure. Arizona's facilities are not what Memphis' are, and it is debatable if it is any easier, at this point, to recruit talent to Tuscon as it is to Memphis. Memphis has, after all, landed better classes than Arizona in recent years. Cal has been at Memphis 10 years, now. He has done, essentially, what Lute did at Arizona...build a program. I don't see him stepping in and to keep Lute's program going, while leaving his rebuild job behind. Cal is compensated fairly. Arizona, at this point, is not throwing around the numbers he currently makes, much less what it would take to lure him away...4-5 mil per year.

Additionally, I would like to know what you mean by "recruiting the way he does at Memphis". Are you saying he has to cheat at Memphis and wouldnt have to do so at Arizona? Are you saying he wouldn't go after guys like Tyreke Evans, Xavier Henry, Derrick Rose and John Wall at Arizona? I could have sworn UA was in process of responding to NCAA infractions just last fall, and certainly is not above the AAU fray that 99% of college coaches now have to navigate. So, enlighten us.

(03-27-2009 05:30 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2009 05:25 PM)Pressed Rat Wrote: [ -> ]"the guy almost took the NC State job."

No he didn't. That was to put RC in his place. Mission accomplished.

actually he had decided to go due to the lowballing of RC ... Dinzer should know this if she knows anything ... Cal was insulted by RC and responded by looking at another job, he saw someone who REALLY REALLY wanted him and almost took the job.

From what I know ,and Ms Dinzer should know a lot more since she is a media insider , Calipari already has an extension in place that wil be announced in the next few days ..


Also ..... RC has very little to do with the basketball program at this point.

Thank you. It is time someone openly said what is the deal on Normal. The NC State thing was a "asleep at the wheel" moment that will not happen again concerning Cal...never. Nothing in life is a guarantee but it will take more than someone's hopes to change the fact that Cal will be here next season. Just because Arizona wants him doesn't mean that he will take that job. Oh yeah, for the record, all of this BS about CUSA and its lack of respect, what if that changes to the Big East? What will the excuse be then? Thanks for saying soemthing that needed to be said.

(03-28-2009 01:09 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ]This is a fan's messageboard. We expect to hear good things about our team here. We don't have to be objective. It's not in the mission statement. While I appreciate your stance, I humbly suggest you go "report" your drivel somewhere where it will be appreciated. This is not that place.

I've never understood this kind of thinking. Clearly you are not alone in your beliefs here but don't you want to be informed? I mean, stick your head in the sand and hope it all works out; scream at the top of your lungs and hope it stops before you do? You aren't objective...I get that. It is news about your coach, and thus you should care. It is amazing how ignorant people can be when they don't want to hear something. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't news. I can't believe that actually needs to be typed out.

(03-28-2009 02:31 PM)Original Sabretooth Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2009 05:27 PM)Jonathan Dintzer Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2009 05:17 PM)That_Guy Wrote: [ -> ]Other than being in a BCS conference, name 1 other thing Cal can gain from going to either Arizona or Kentucky?

First and foremost, those places are destinations, both for coaches and players; he'd be settled for the rest of his career. Do you really think he likes recruiting the way he does at Memphis? Isn't it clear that it'd be easier run a program the way the rest of the elite-level schools do as opposed to how he has to go about doing it now?

Arizona was not a destination job before Lute Olson, and has not proven whether it can be after his departure. Arizona's facilities are not what Memphis' are, and it is debatable if it is any easier, at this point, to recruit talent to Tuscon as it is to Memphis. Memphis has, after all, landed better classes than Arizona in recent years. Cal has been at Memphis 10 years, now. He has done, essentially, what Lute did at Arizona...build a program. I don't see him stepping in and to keep Lute's program going, while leaving his rebuild job behind. Cal is compensated fairly. Arizona, at this point, is not throwing around the numbers he currently makes, much less what it would take to lure him away...4-5 mil per year.

Additionally, I would like to know what you mean by "recruiting the way he does at Memphis". Are you saying he has to cheat at Memphis and wouldnt have to do so at Arizona? Are you saying he wouldn't go after guys like Tyreke Evans, Xavier Henry, Derrick Rose and John Wall at Arizona? I could have sworn UA was in process of responding to NCAA infractions just last fall, and certainly is not above the AAU fray that 99% of college coaches now have to navigate. So, enlighten us.

You make a good point about Olson. Cal has done something similar to what Olson did at Arizona, but he's got a ways to go to match-up with that guy's accomplishments both in terms of tenure and success. The reason I know this is because Arizona now is a destination job, and if Cal left Memphis there'd be some question whether the same could be said for that position. This is an opinion but it's the reason Cal would consider going to Arizona, and while I'm sure that's unpopular, it is what it is.

As for your second point, recruiting the way Memphis does referred to the best player on the team being a freshman...every season. Cal is a tremendous coach, he's a great recruiter and a terrific motivator. These are the reasons he's been so successful at Memphis. Like it or not, if he brought his show to Kentucky or Arizona things would be considerably easier on him in regards to recruiting. He isn't just selling himself as the guy that can get you to the NBA after six months in college; he's selling the entire array of prestige that goes along with being a member of the basketball program at those respective places...on top of (if need be) getting a kid now and then who wants to jump to the L after one season.

Personally, I'd rather spend four years in Memphis than four years in Tucson or Lexington but that isn't what recruiting is about (just take a trip to Lawrence, Kansas). I think his legacy is very important to him, and while he's known as an architect because of what he's done in the college ranks it is reasonable to assume he may want more than that at places that can offer him an easier path to get to his goals.

Now, having said all that, this is all just beginning. He is going to be courted, we all know that, and he'd be silly not to listen if/when these programs formally ask for permission to interview the man. What he's going to do is completely up in the air and nobody has an answer for that, but from what I understand, there is mutual interest here and that's the entirety of what I'm saying to you people. Call me names, write crappy messages to me....I don't particularly care. Believe it or not, it is news and you can take it or leave it.

(03-28-2009 03:27 PM)Jonathan Dintzer Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2009 01:09 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ]This is a fan's messageboard. We expect to hear good things about our team here. We don't have to be objective. It's not in the mission statement. While I appreciate your stance, I humbly suggest you go "report" your drivel somewhere where it will be appreciated. This is not that place.

I've never understood this kind of thinking. Clearly you are not alone in your beliefs here but don't you want to be informed? I mean, stick your head in the sand and hope it all works out; scream at the top of your lungs and hope it stops before you do? You aren't objective...I get that. It is news about your coach, and thus you should care. It is amazing how ignorant people can be when they don't want to hear something. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't news. I can't believe that actually needs to be typed out.

(03-28-2009 02:31 PM)Original Sabretooth Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2009 05:27 PM)Jonathan Dintzer Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2009 05:17 PM)That_Guy Wrote: [ -> ]Other than being in a BCS conference, name 1 other thing Cal can gain from going to either Arizona or Kentucky?

First and foremost, those places are destinations, both for coaches and players; he'd be settled for the rest of his career. Do you really think he likes recruiting the way he does at Memphis? Isn't it clear that it'd be easier run a program the way the rest of the elite-level schools do as opposed to how he has to go about doing it now?

Arizona was not a destination job before Lute Olson, and has not proven whether it can be after his departure. Arizona's facilities are not what Memphis' are, and it is debatable if it is any easier, at this point, to recruit talent to Tuscon as it is to Memphis. Memphis has, after all, landed better classes than Arizona in recent years. Cal has been at Memphis 10 years, now. He has done, essentially, what Lute did at Arizona...build a program. I don't see him stepping in and to keep Lute's program going, while leaving his rebuild job behind. Cal is compensated fairly. Arizona, at this point, is not throwing around the numbers he currently makes, much less what it would take to lure him away...4-5 mil per year.

Additionally, I would like to know what you mean by "recruiting the way he does at Memphis". Are you saying he has to cheat at Memphis and wouldnt have to do so at Arizona? Are you saying he wouldn't go after guys like Tyreke Evans, Xavier Henry, Derrick Rose and John Wall at Arizona? I could have sworn UA was in process of responding to NCAA infractions just last fall, and certainly is not above the AAU fray that 99% of college coaches now have to navigate. So, enlighten us.

You make a good point about Olson. Cal has done something similar to what Olson did at Arizona, but he's got a ways to go to match-up with that guy's accomplishments both in terms of tenure and success. The reason I know this is because Arizona now is a destination job, and if Cal left Memphis there'd be some question whether the same could be said for that position. This is an opinion but it's the reason Cal would consider going to Arizona, and while I'm sure that's unpopular, it is what it is.

As for your second point, recruiting the way Memphis does referred to the best player on the team being a freshman...every season. Cal is a tremendous coach, he's a great recruiter and a terrific motivator. These are the reasons he's been so successful at Memphis. Like it or not, if he brought his show to Kentucky or Arizona things would be considerably easier on him in regards to recruiting. He isn't just selling himself as the guy that can get you to the NBA after six months in college; he's selling the entire array of prestige that goes along with being a member of the basketball program at those respective places...on top of (if need be) getting a kid now and then who wants to jump to the L after one season.

Personally, I'd rather spend four years in Memphis than four years in Tucson or Lexington but that isn't what recruiting is about (just take a trip to Lawrence, Kansas). I think his legacy is very important to him, and while he's known as an architect because of what he's done in the college ranks it is reasonable to assume he may want more than that at places that can offer him an easier path to get to his goals.

Now, having said all that, this is all just beginning. He is going to be courted, we all know that, and he'd be silly not to listen if/when these programs formally ask for permission to interview the man. What he's going to do is completely up in the air and nobody has an answer for that, but from what I understand, there is mutual interest here and that's the entirety of what I'm saying to you people. Call me names, write crappy messages to me....I don't particularly care. Believe it or not, it is news and you can take it or leave it.

Cal has made it clear. His recruiting philiosophy is to go after the best player available. If that player is a one and done, then he will take his chances. He would do the same at Arizona. He would never pass on a guy like Derrick Rose, Tyreke Evans or Xavier Henry; and chances are, they are going to be the best player on any team they play. Memphis had a more than adequate supporting cast around Evans and Rose.

I dont think Cal will interview with Arizona.

(03-28-2009 03:27 PM)Jonathan Dintzer Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2009 01:09 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ]This is a fan's messageboard. We expect to hear good things about our team here. We don't have to be objective. It's not in the mission statement. While I appreciate your stance, I humbly suggest you go "report" your drivel somewhere where it will be appreciated. This is not that place.

I've never understood this kind of thinking. Clearly you are not alone in your beliefs here but don't you want to be informed? I mean, stick your head in the sand and hope it all works out; scream at the top of your lungs and hope it stops before you do? You aren't objective...I get that. It is news about your coach, and thus you should care. It is amazing how ignorant people can be when they don't want to hear something. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't news. I can't believe that actually needs to be typed out.

(03-28-2009 02:31 PM)Original Sabretooth Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2009 05:27 PM)Jonathan Dintzer Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2009 05:17 PM)That_Guy Wrote: [ -> ]Other than being in a BCS conference, name 1 other thing Cal can gain from going to either Arizona or Kentucky?

First and foremost, those places are destinations, both for coaches and players; he'd be settled for the rest of his career. Do you really think he likes recruiting the way he does at Memphis? Isn't it clear that it'd be easier run a program the way the rest of the elite-level schools do as opposed to how he has to go about doing it now?

Arizona was not a destination job before Lute Olson, and has not proven whether it can be after his departure. Arizona's facilities are not what Memphis' are, and it is debatable if it is any easier, at this point, to recruit talent to Tuscon as it is to Memphis. Memphis has, after all, landed better classes than Arizona in recent years. Cal has been at Memphis 10 years, now. He has done, essentially, what Lute did at Arizona...build a program. I don't see him stepping in and to keep Lute's program going, while leaving his rebuild job behind. Cal is compensated fairly. Arizona, at this point, is not throwing around the numbers he currently makes, much less what it would take to lure him away...4-5 mil per year.

Additionally, I would like to know what you mean by "recruiting the way he does at Memphis". Are you saying he has to cheat at Memphis and wouldnt have to do so at Arizona? Are you saying he wouldn't go after guys like Tyreke Evans, Xavier Henry, Derrick Rose and John Wall at Arizona? I could have sworn UA was in process of responding to NCAA infractions just last fall, and certainly is not above the AAU fray that 99% of college coaches now have to navigate. So, enlighten us.

You make a good point about Olson. Cal has done something similar to what Olson did at Arizona, but he's got a ways to go to match-up with that guy's accomplishments both in terms of tenure and success. The reason I know this is because Arizona now is a destination job, and if Cal left Memphis there'd be some question whether the same could be said for that position. This is an opinion but it's the reason Cal would consider going to Arizona, and while I'm sure that's unpopular, it is what it is.

As for your second point, recruiting the way Memphis does referred to the best player on the team being a freshman...every season. Cal is a tremendous coach, he's a great recruiter and a terrific motivator. These are the reasons he's been so successful at Memphis. Like it or not, if he brought his show to Kentucky or Arizona things would be considerably easier on him in regards to recruiting. He isn't just selling himself as the guy that can get you to the NBA after six months in college; he's selling the entire array of prestige that goes along with being a member of the basketball program at those respective places...on top of (if need be) getting a kid now and then who wants to jump to the L after one season.

Personally, I'd rather spend four years in Memphis than four years in Tucson or Lexington but that isn't what recruiting is about (just take a trip to Lawrence, Kansas). I think his legacy is very important to him, and while he's known as an architect because of what he's done in the college ranks it is reasonable to assume he may want more than that at places that can offer him an easier path to get to his goals.

Now, having said all that, this is all just beginning. He is going to be courted, we all know that, and he'd be silly not to listen if/when these programs formally ask for permission to interview the man. What he's going to do is completely up in the air and nobody has an answer for that, but from what I understand, there is mutual interest here and that's the entirety of what I'm saying to you people. Call me names, write crappy messages to me....I don't particularly care. Believe it or not, it is news and you can take it or leave it.

Explain how his goals would be met at UK or UA easier than he is meeting them here? Before you try to reply, you can't explain it, because it is not true.

Mr. Dintzer, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Amen, brother , Amen

I am not naive or stupid - I expected Cal to leave every year except the last 2 because he could go to programs that had more going for them at the time. He stayed. Our program is now with the elite's.

What you're writing about our best player being a freshman every season is ignorant. Look at our roster - we have tons of experience every year - CDR, AA, Dozier, Dorsey - saying all of these guys were just second fiddles to freshman is idiotic. It's a slap to their face. These guys were the heart and soul of our program - the program changers. Rose and Evans came in and did tremendous jobs - but it's always been our upper classmen that are our heart and soul. I'm pretty sure CDR was the first team all american last year - not Rose.

This prestige stuff is garbage too - prestige is in peoples heads - Arizona's job isn't better than Memphis's just because you say it is. What does Cal have to gain by going to Arizona? Memphis is what kids talk about - not Arizona. History is history. Today is the moment that matters and right now Memphis matters.

(03-28-2009 12:39 PM)Jonathan Dintzer Wrote: [ -> ]... As has been so eloquently pointed out to me, I'm not a Memphis fan. I'm a reporter, I cover the team. ...

When you get paid to report or create controversy, don't be surprised when you get treated like it. We all know the differences between us and some of the other programs around the country. Those differences are not revelations to us.

When you open a thread expressing negativity, don't be surprised when people react accordingly. Perhaps there's another team you'll find to "report" on. You've seemed to turn off a significant portion of this team'sfans.

Yeah...this is pretty much the same reaction I got from the same people on this board when I wrote a piece for our site saying Connecticut would advance out of the West Region. Some people only want to hear positive things; some people take it too personally.

Dinzer:


You are more of a moron than even I thought, D Rose was not the best player on our team last year that was CDR a third year player, and our three other starters were two Juniors and a Senior.

Whoever is paying you to be a "reporter" is a fool and so are you




JDinzer ....

Quote:As for your second point, recruiting the way Memphis does referred to the best player on the team being a freshman...every season. Cal is a tremendous coach, he's a great recruiter and a terrific motivator. These are the reasons he's been so successful at Memphis. Like it or not, if he brought his show to Kentucky or Arizona things would be considerably easier on him in regards to recruiting. He isn't just selling himself as the guy that can get you to the NBA after six months in college; he's selling the entire array of prestige that goes along with being a member of the basketball program at those respective places...on top of (if need be) getting a kid now and then who wants to jump to the L after one season.

Personally, I'd rather spend four years in Memphis than four years in Tucson or Lexington but that isn't what recruiting is about (just take a trip to Lawrence, Kansas). I think his legacy is very important to him, and while he's known as an architect because of what he's done in the college ranks it is reasonable to assume he may want more than that at places that can offer him an easier path to get to his goals.

Now, having said all that, this is all just beginning. He is going to be courted, we all know that, and he'd be silly not to listen if/when these programs formally ask for permission to interview the man. What he's going to do is completely up in the air and nobody has an answer for that, but from what I understand, there is mutual interest here and that's the entirety of what I'm saying to you people. Call me names, write crappy messages to me....I don't particularly care. Believe it or not, it is news and you can take it or leave it.

(03-28-2009 03:27 PM)Jonathan Dintzer Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2009 01:09 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ]This is a fan's messageboard. We expect to hear good things about our team here. We don't have to be objective. It's not in the mission statement. While I appreciate your stance, I humbly suggest you go "report" your drivel somewhere where it will be appreciated. This is not that place.

I've never understood this kind of thinking. Clearly you are not alone in your beliefs here but don't you want to be informed? I mean, stick your head in the sand and hope it all works out; scream at the top of your lungs and hope it stops before you do? You aren't objective...I get that. It is news about your coach, and thus you should care. It is amazing how ignorant people can be when they don't want to hear something. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't news. I can't believe that actually needs to be typed out.

Partner, I get all the news I need from actual news sources. TV, radio, newspapers, magazines, websites such as CBS, ESPN, and SI.

This is an internet messageboard, not a news site.

Although truth be told, as far sources inside the Memphis programs, there are people here that know more than any of the ones I just listed. You just don't happen to be one of them.

The bottom line is, you're just some nerd that gets his jollies running around spreading rumors and calling himself a "reporter". The Dan Wolken is a reporter. You're just a wanna be.

But you have fun pretending...

(03-28-2009 08:52 PM)Jonathan Dintzer Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah...this is pretty much the same reaction I got from the same people on this board when I wrote a piece for our site saying Connecticut would advance out of the West Region. Some people only want to hear positive things; some people take it too personally.

I'm no rocket scientist, but I do know if you were writing in Pittsburgh and picked Villanova to advance... or in Chapel Hill and picked OU to advance... you likely would have been met with messages from fans telling you why you are wrong. Its not a rare phenomenon for fans to believe their team will win, and to be FANatically supportive of their program. I think you are the one taking it personally.