the only one ready for a coaching change. From the posts I'm reading tonight, it looks as though nearly every one of you, with the possible exception of Ynocpirt, has sort of come around to LRTrojan's thinking.
I have never come out and called for that to happen, but I do feel that if we don't make the postseason, NIT or NCAA, Chris will realize that as painful as it might be to face, this staff has taken the program as far as it can go and will bite the bullet and make a change. It's not my job to call for a coaching change, but if that's what it takes to get this program to another level and Chris makes that decision, so be it.
(01-04-2009 12:31 AM)Dr. J. Wrote: [ -> ]the only one ready for a coaching change. From the posts I'm reading tonight, it looks as though nearly every one of you, with the possible exception of Ynocpirt, has sort of come around to LRTrojan's thinking.
I have never come out and called for that to happen, but I do feel that if we don't make the postseason, NIT or NCAA, Chris will realize that as painful as it might be to face, this staff has taken the program as far as it can go and will bite the bullet and make a change. It's not my job to call for a coaching change, but if that's what it takes to get this program to another level and Chris makes that decision, so be it.
I'm certainly not calling for a coaching change and I can pretty much guarantee Ynocpirt, who has never called for a coach's scalp, is not calling for it either. Since Steve got a contract extension after last season, I hope you guys are ready to contribute to the buyout fund because I don't know where else the money will come from.
(01-04-2009 01:11 AM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2009 12:31 AM)Dr. J. Wrote: [ -> ]the only one ready for a coaching change. From the posts I'm reading tonight, it looks as though nearly every one of you, with the possible exception of Ynocpirt, has sort of come around to LRTrojan's thinking.
I have never come out and called for that to happen, but I do feel that if we don't make the postseason, NIT or NCAA, Chris will realize that as painful as it might be to face, this staff has taken the program as far as it can go and will bite the bullet and make a change. It's not my job to call for a coaching change, but if that's what it takes to get this program to another level and Chris makes that decision, so be it.
I'm certainly not calling for a coaching change and I can pretty much guarantee Ynocpirt, who has never called for a coach's scalp, is not calling for it either. Since Steve got a contract extension after last season, I hope you guys are ready to contribute to the buyout fund because I don't know where else the money will come from.
I think you make a very good point about the contract extention. Add in that other than Coach Shields and Coach Kline, the entire coaching staff is new, and from what I've heard they are supposed to be recruiting wizards. I think they will be given a chance to get better players here, and I just hope the new staff puts more emphasis on the BASKETBALL in Basketball Players than we've seen in the past.
I am also not calling for the coach to be fired, but I am calling for better results. I do not feel that a team that has as many veterans as this one does should play as inconsistantly as a team that is loaded with freshmen and sophomores, but that's what we're getting. At some point even Ynocprit will question the leadership if this trend continues.
(01-04-2009 11:04 AM)PTJR Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2009 01:11 AM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ][quote='Dr. J.' pid='3868631' dateline='1231047105']
the only one ready for a coaching change. From the posts I'm reading tonight, it looks as though nearly every one of you, with the possible exception of Ynocpirt, has sort of come around to LRTrojan's thinking.
I have never come out and called for that to happen, but I do feel that if we don't make the postseason, NIT or NCAA, Chris will realize that as painful as it might be to face, this staff has taken the program as far as it can go and will bite the bullet and make a change. It's not my job to call for a coaching change, but if that's what it takes to get this program to another level and Chris makes that decision, so be it.
I'm certainly not calling for a coaching change and I can pretty much guarantee Ynocpirt, who has never called for a coach's scalp, is not calling for it either. Since Steve got a contract extension after last season, I hope you guys are ready to contribute to the buyout fund because I don't know where else the money will come from.
I think you make a very good point about the contract extention. Add in that other than Coach Shields and Coach Kline, the entire coaching staff is new, and from what I've heard they are supposed to be recruiting wizards. I think they will be given a chance to get better players here, and I just hope the new staff puts more emphasis on the BASKETBALL in Basketball Players than we've seen in the past.
I am also not calling for the coach to be fired, but I am calling for better results. I do not feel that a team that has as many veterans as this one does should play as inconsistantly as a team that is loaded with freshmen and sophomores, but that's what we're getting. At some point even Ynocprit will question the leadership if this trend continues.
I'll believe that when I see it. (Ynocprit questioning the leadership). And how long do we have to wait for "better results"? We've fired or lost two sets of assistant coaches in the last few years. That was obviously a wakeup call to the head coach. Either improve, or you're next. This season hasn't played out yet, so it's a little early to make a true assessment, but from what I saw last night, this team isn't ready for prime time. I agree that I really don't think there is a chance for a coaching change this season, unless something really drastic happens, and some wealthy donors come up with a buyout.
So with that said, I really believe this next recruiting class will determine the ultimate future of this staff. If our program doesn't make a statement next year, assuming the staff gets to next year, a change is probably imminent. You just can't go on forever without trying something different.
Does anyone know what the buyout for your coach is. Sometimes an extention includes a doable buyout as part of the deal. If I recall correctly, last year after reaching the SEC championship game (even though parts of the year had been ugly and the program had become stagnet) UT gave Fulmer an extention and a raise but UT got a liquidated buyout clause as part of the deal. It was not cheap ($6 million?) but something that school could do.
Your ad strikes me as a pretty tough guy. Any chance he got something like that for ualr?
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Does anyone know what the buyout for your coach is. Sometimes an extention includes a doable buyout as part of the deal. If I recall correctly, last year after reaching the SEC championship game (even though parts of the year had been ugly and the program had become stagnet) UT gave Fulmer an extention and a raise but UT got a liquidated buyout clause as part of the deal. It was not cheap ($6 million?) but something that school could do.
Your ad strikes me as a pretty tough guy. Any chance he got something like that for ualr?
Well that's possible. And you're right. He didn't hesitate to pull the plug on the baseball coach, but his teams weren't even mediocre. And I feel confident he was responsible for assistant coaches being let go. At some point, and it might be sooner than later unless things begin to show a significant improvement, I look for a change. Or maybe not. Who knows. But the person who said that we seem to be more tolerant of mediocrity might be correct.
Didn't you call for a coaching change just 12 hours ago?
(01-04-2009 10:42 PM)Ynocpirt Wrote: [ -> ]Didn't you call for a coaching change just 12 hours ago?
As you are well aware the opinions of the 8 of us on this board will play
absolutely zero role in whether or not there is a coaching change at UALR. Right now I've seen 2, maybe 3 posters, who believe Steve should be fired. I believe there are actually closer to 12-15 semi-regular posters so that's not even 25%. Even if it were 100%, it would mean nada. Chris won't consult with us when he makes a decision with regard to hiring or firing a coach and that is probably a good thing. If we finish 12-18 (or something similar) I think Steve probably should start worrying about his job. If we continue on our present pace which will result in 18-19 regular season wins, he has nothing to worry about.
I'm not. Not at this point. A lot of season left.
But if what we saw Saturday was indicative of some fundamental problems with the team, and not just an awful night, we won't have to call for a change. It will happen anyway. Peterson is patient, but he won't put up with much more of that sort of nonsense.
(01-04-2009 11:07 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2009 10:42 PM)Ynocpirt Wrote: [ -> ]Didn't you call for a coaching change just 12 hours ago?
As you are well aware the opinions of the 8 of us on this board will play absolutely zero role in whether or not there is a coaching change at UALR. Right now I've seen 2, maybe 3 posters, who believe Steve should be fired. I believe there are actually closer to 12-15 semi-regular posters so that's not even 25%. Even if it were 100%, it would mean nada. Chris won't consult with us when he makes a decision with regard to hiring or firing a coach and that is probably a good thing. If we finish 12-18 (or something similar) I think Steve probably should start worrying about his job. If we continue on our present pace which will result in 18-19 regular season wins, he has nothing to worry about.
Speak for yourself, Chris has called my house more than once to tell me I was wrong
I really want to see what happens this year and what we look like next year with a true pg.
(01-05-2009 10:31 AM)insideualr Wrote: [ -> ]I really want to see what happens this year and what we look like next year with a true pg.
As we know from the Graber years, it does make a big difference.
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Didn't you call for a coaching change just 12 hours ago?
Well 12 hours is a long time. I wake up in a new world every day. But seriously, If I stated positively for a coaching change, that would only apply if we don't make the post season this year. But realistically, unless as others have postulated, unless we completely fall apart the rest of the season, it isn't going to happen this year.
Rather than a coaching change, I would like to see a change in coaching philosophy and offensive strategy. Steve is a great guy, and my real hope would be for us to become a great program and he have the chance to move up the coaching ladder. If we replace our coaches, I would much rather see it happen because they win here and get better opportunities, just like all the Western Kentucky coaches who have moved up. But honestly I just have never thought this style of play is conducive to recruiting new fans and/or winning championships. But hey. I'm just one old guy who would like to see some NCAA appearances before my time is up. And at the rate we're going, I might have to live to be the world's oldest man to see that come about.
(01-05-2009 10:31 AM)insideualr Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2009 11:07 PM)mjs Wrote: [ -> ][quote='Ynocpirt' pid='3871176' dateline='1231126946']
Didn't you call for a coaching change just 12 hours ago?
As you are well aware the opinions of the 8 of us on this board will play absolutely zero role in whether or not there is a coaching change at UALR. Right now I've seen 2, maybe 3 posters, who believe Steve should be fired. I believe there are actually closer to 12-15 semi-regular posters so that's not even 25%. Even if it were 100%, it would mean nada. Chris won't consult with us when he makes a decision with regard to hiring or firing a coach and that is probably a good thing. If we finish 12-18 (or something similar) I think Steve probably should start worrying about his job. If we continue on our present pace which will result in 18-19 regular season wins, he has nothing to worry about.
Speak for yourself, Chris has called my house more than once to tell me I was wrong
I really want to see what happens this year and what we look like next year with a true pg.
You might get to see it this year if Foster continues to get more playing time. He is a true point guard and sees the court better than any of our present point guards, and is willing to give the ball up to the shooters. And maybe you should consider getting an unlisted phone number. I must be right all the time because Chris hasn't ever called to tell me I'm wrong. Oops. Got to go. My phone is ringing!
coach be fired. I have been critical of our offense and feel that Steve's job is in danger if we don't make the postseason pretty soon. I make that observation from something Chris said before the season. "We have to make the postseason". And that, along with the movement in assistant coaches sort of makes a statement. It doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that at some point we've got to either make at least the NIT, if not the NCAA. However, I think I agreed with LRTrojan on some points just to make him feel better, since most of you guys seem to never agree with his comments. I wanted him to know that he's not completely alone and we still love him! IN A BROTHERLY SORT OF WAY!