Of those 12 wins over the last three seasons vs. D1-A opponents, only 1 has come against a team that finished a season with a winning record (2007 Southern Miss team that finished 7-6). Everyone else the Tigers beat over the last three seasons finished .500 or worse. It is time for things to move from slightly worse than mediocre to slightly better than mediocre. If that does not happen starting next year, expect paid attendance at the Liberty Bowl to start averaging under 20,000 and actual attendance to be in the neighborhood of 12,000 or less, game in and game out. Going to toilet bowls every year because the Tigers won 6 or 7 games against a horrid schedule is not going to cut it anymore (unless the powers that be are happy with permanent mediocrity in the football program and 8,000 people in the stands on senior day).
80% chance of going to the Big East
fsquid Wrote:80% chance of going to the Big East
BIG LEAST!
JMSTiger Wrote:Of those 12 wins over the last three seasons vs. D1-A opponents, only 1 has come against a team that finished a season with a winning record (2007 Southern Miss team that finished 7-6). Everyone else the Tigers beat over the last three seasons finished .500 or worse. It is time for things to move from slightly worse than mediocre to slightly better than mediocre. If that does not happen starting next year, expect paid attendance at the Liberty Bowl to start averaging under 20,000 and actual attendance to be in the neighborhood of 12,000 or less, game in and game out. Going to toilet bowls every year because the Tigers won 6 or 7 games against a horrid schedule is not going to cut it anymore (unless the powers that be are happy with permanent mediocrity in the football program and 8,000 people in the stands on senior day).
Can't argue with the facts..
JMSTiger Wrote:Of those 12 wins over the last three seasons vs. D1-A opponents, only 1 has come against a team that finished a season with a winning record (2007 Southern Miss team that finished 7-6). Everyone else the Tigers beat over the last three seasons finished .500 or worse. It is time for things to move from slightly worse than mediocre to slightly better than mediocre. If that does not happen starting next year, expect paid attendance at the Liberty Bowl to start averaging under 20,000 and actual attendance to be in the neighborhood of 12,000 or less, game in and game out. Going to toilet bowls every year because the Tigers won 6 or 7 games against a horrid schedule is not going to cut it anymore (unless the powers that be are happy with permanent mediocrity in the football program and 8,000 people in the stands on senior day).
Now that you are a moderator, are you going to move this thread to the Miserables board?
Original Sabretooth Wrote:JMSTiger Wrote:Of those 12 wins over the last three seasons vs. D1-A opponents, only 1 has come against a team that finished a season with a winning record (2007 Southern Miss team that finished 7-6). Everyone else the Tigers beat over the last three seasons finished .500 or worse. It is time for things to move from slightly worse than mediocre to slightly better than mediocre. If that does not happen starting next year, expect paid attendance at the Liberty Bowl to start averaging under 20,000 and actual attendance to be in the neighborhood of 12,000 or less, game in and game out. Going to toilet bowls every year because the Tigers won 6 or 7 games against a horrid schedule is not going to cut it anymore (unless the powers that be are happy with permanent mediocrity in the football program and 8,000 people in the stands on senior day).
Now that you are a moderator, are you going to move this thread to the Miserables board?
they may be moving me here in a minute
Yea but were only 11 plays away from being 23-12
Pretty funny, how was last year so different? Or was FAU just a better opponent than USF?
We lose to teams now on a regular basis that not too long ago would have been sure-win home-coming opponents. I blame the BCS as much as anyone, but then you look at what many other non-BCS teams have done with less to work with than us and you have to wonder.
We lose to Rice, for chrissakes, Rice! I had argued 5 years ago that Rice and Temple were the only 2 teams historically worse than we were. I can't even do that anymore.
The argument made most often and that I hate the most is the one that goes...
"at least we're going to a bowl and ***** isn't."
We play the weakest schedule in all of college football. All these teams with their ups and downs have years where they don't go to bowls and then years where they do great things. Our greatest thing is beating North Texas in the NO Bowl.
(12-23-2008 05:39 AM)cmt Wrote: [ -> ]Pretty funny, how was last year so different? Or was FAU just a better opponent than USF?
We lose to teams now on a regular basis that not too long ago would have been sure-win home-coming opponents. I blame the BCS as much as anyone, but then you look at what many other non-BCS teams have done with less to work with than us and you have to wonder.
We lose to Rice, for chrissakes, Rice! I had argued 5 years ago that Rice and Temple were the only 2 teams historically worse than we were. I can't even do that anymore.
The argument made most often and that I hate the most is the one that goes...
"at least we're going to a bowl and ***** isn't."
We play the weakest schedule in all of college football. All these teams with their ups and downs have years where they don't go to bowls and then years where they do great things. Our greatest thing is beating North Texas in the NO Bowl.
I (or no one for that matter) should be able to reasonably argue against any of these facts or comments stated in this and other posts however if you read GC's interview with RC, I really believe RC thinks we are right on track....he thinks for the most part facilities are OK and that the program is set to win a conference title? I guess he has to say that but if he really believes this then as Jack N. said...."This is as good as it gets!" I know we need facilites but facilities dont inspire growth or fan excitement...if that were the care SMU would be in great shape.....
Actually, two wins...Southern Miss finished 7-6 this year also.
Out of Ole Miss' eight wins this year, only two of them were against teams with winning records. Does that make their season "less special"?
Since '04, Ole Miss has only won five games against D-1 teams, and two of those wins are vs. Memphis.
FYI, During Deangelo's big three years, Memphis won 21 games against D-1 teams, but only six of those wins came against teams with winning records. The 2004 season saw the Tigers go 8-4 without a win against a team with a winning record. Should Memphis be ashamed of that season?
The three years before Deangelo (1999-2001) Memphis 11-19 against D-1A teams, with only two of those wins against D-1A schools...a 6-5 USM team and USF, who was a provisional D-1A team that still played five 1-AA schools that year.
Memphis can't (at this point) help that the conference sucks. Memphis scheduled two quality BCS "names" this year, and consistently schedules at least two BCS schools (except last year). The conference is what it is, just like basketball.
(12-23-2008 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ]Actually, two wins...Southern Miss finished 7-6 this year also.
Out of Ole Miss' eight wins this year, only two of them were against teams with winning records. Does that make their season "less special"?
Since '04, Ole Miss has only won five games against D-1 teams, and two of those wins are vs. Memphis.
FYI, During Deangelo's big three years, Memphis won 21 games against D-1 teams, but only six of those wins came against teams with winning records. The 2004 season saw the Tigers go 8-4 without a win against a team with a winning record. Should Memphis be ashamed of that season?
The three years before Deangelo (1999-2001) Memphis 11-19 against D-1A teams, with only two of those wins against D-1A schools...a 6-5 USM team and USF, who was a provisional D-1A team that still played five 1-AA schools that year.
Memphis can't (at this point) help that the conference sucks. Memphis scheduled two quality BCS "names" this year, and consistently schedules at least two BCS schools (except last year). The conference is what it is, just like basketball.
So what you are saying is Tommy even sucked when Deangelo was here, but we are just now seeing it as Deangelo bailed him out in 2003, 2004, and 2005. Good points Miss West.
(12-23-2008 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ]Out of Ole Miss' eight wins this year, only two of them were against teams with winning records. Does that make their season "less special"?
They did at least have a winning season... that's pretty special.
(12-23-2008 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ]Memphis can't (at this point) help that the conference sucks. Memphis scheduled two quality BCS "names" this year, and consistently schedules at least two BCS schools (except last year). The conference is what it is, just like basketball.
Except in basketball we got sick of losing, hired a winner, and went to the final four last season.... While still playing in a terrible conference.
(12-23-2008 05:39 AM)cmt Wrote: [ -> ]We lose to Rice, for chrissakes, Rice!
Everyone they've played except Vanderbilt, Texas, and Tulsa has lost to Rice, for chrissakes, Rice!
Of course, not everyone has had them down by 15 with 8-something minutes to go. But then again, not everyone's fanbase has looked down their noses at them and derided them as not being worthy of being on the same field.
(12-23-2008 10:50 AM)TigerEdward Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ]Actually, two wins...Southern Miss finished 7-6 this year also.
Out of Ole Miss' eight wins this year, only two of them were against teams with winning records. Does that make their season "less special"?
Since '04, Ole Miss has only won five games against D-1 teams, and two of those wins are vs. Memphis.
FYI, During Deangelo's big three years, Memphis won 21 games against D-1 teams, but only six of those wins came against teams with winning records. The 2004 season saw the Tigers go 8-4 without a win against a team with a winning record. Should Memphis be ashamed of that season?
The three years before Deangelo (1999-2001) Memphis 11-19 against D-1A teams, with only two of those wins against D-1A schools...a 6-5 USM team and USF, who was a provisional D-1A team that still played five 1-AA schools that year.
Memphis can't (at this point) help that the conference sucks. Memphis scheduled two quality BCS "names" this year, and consistently schedules at least two BCS schools (except last year). The conference is what it is, just like basketball.
So what you are saying is Tommy even sucked when Deangelo was here, but we are just now seeing it as Deangelo bailed him out in 2003, 2004, and 2005. Good points Miss West.
That is why I put the "pre-Deangelo" years in there. Rip's LAST WIN versus a team with a winning record was the UTk game in 1996! That means Memphis went the 1997, 1998, 1999, and 2000 seasons without one victory over a team with a winning record.
Maybe it is just the state of the program.
Deangelo was special, but again, NO ONE was bitching during the 8-4 year about the fact Memphis didn't win one game against a team with a winning record.
(12-23-2008 11:04 AM)TigerDrew Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ]Out of Ole Miss' eight wins this year, only two of them were against teams with winning records. Does that make their season "less special"?
They did at least have a winning season... that's pretty special.
(12-23-2008 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ]Memphis can't (at this point) help that the conference sucks. Memphis scheduled two quality BCS "names" this year, and consistently schedules at least two BCS schools (except last year). The conference is what it is, just like basketball.
Except in basketball we got sick of losing, hired a winner that nobody else would touch with a 10-foot pole, and went to the final four last season and he choked away the national championship (his own words).... While still playing in a terrible conference.
5-6
3-9
8-4 (9-4)
8-3 (8-4)
6-5 (7-5) *
2-10
7-5 (7-6)
6-6 (6-7)
Sick of losing? Years 3, 4, & 5 are the reasons the handful of boosters (not "we") pay him the salary they do. Year 6, I assume he gets a pass on due to the multi-bypass surgery. Years 7 & 8, while having their very disappointing losses, have not been bad enough to warrant canning him, as it appears from what RC said in that interview. Prior to West, there were 6 straight losing seasons following 3 straight 6-5 seasons which were the highlight of the program for a decade-&-a-half. So you could say 25 years of some people being "sick of losing" is the reason West is locked into the job with that contract.
(12-20-2008 10:20 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: [ -> ]![[Image: t1_gill.jpg]](http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/stewart_mandel/11/07/cfb.bag/t1_gill.jpg)
Why the fuss over this guy?
He coaches at Buffalo, and has gone 15-22 there. He has 1 win against a team with a winning record, and that was against Ball State last game.
What makes him so qualified, especially in light of the fact he is coaching in a conference RATED LOWER than CUSA?
(12-23-2008 11:36 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2008 10:20 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: [ -> ]
Why the fuss over this guy?
He coaches at Buffalo, and has gone 15-22 there. He has 1 win against a team with a winning record, and that was against Ball State last game.
What makes him so qualified, especially in light of the fact he is coaching in a conference RATED LOWER than CUSA?
Three years - from 2-10 to 5-7 to 8-5 with a division championship and conference title game win...not saying he is the answer, but he turned around a program that only joined the ranks of DI in 1999...and his team stepped up to the plate and rolled over an undefeated Ball State team that was ranked in the Top 20 to win the title game...looks like taking a moribund program and making constant forward progress...
(12-23-2008 11:45 AM)HoopDreams Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 11:36 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2008 10:20 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: [ -> ]
Why the fuss over this guy?
He coaches at Buffalo, and has gone 15-22 there. He has 1 win against a team with a winning record, and that was against Ball State last game.
What makes him so qualified, especially in light of the fact he is coaching in a conference RATED LOWER than CUSA?
Three years - from 2-10 to 5-7 to 8-5 with a division championship and conference title game win...not saying he is the answer, but he turned around a program that only joined the ranks of DI in 1999...and his team stepped up to the plate and rolled over an undefeated Ball State team that was ranked in the Top 20 to win the title game...looks like taking a moribund program and making constant forward progress...
Great post and rebuttle. The guy is driven and would be great here. However, I do realize that we would probably have to settle on a coordinator and an out of work coach. I prefer taking a good young assistant that is very charismatic. Charlie Strong would be good, Gus Malzahn would be better. Bring in Gus Malzanhn and hire a former tiger and a top notch recruiter like Larry Porter for OC (Gus would call the plays anyway). Tommy has never showed the ability to win a conference championship at Memphis or either of his other head coaching stops.
(12-23-2008 11:45 AM)HoopDreams Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 11:36 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2008 10:20 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: [ -> ]
Why the fuss over this guy?
He coaches at Buffalo, and has gone 15-22 there. He has 1 win against a team with a winning record, and that was against Ball State last game.
What makes him so qualified, especially in light of the fact he is coaching in a conference RATED LOWER than CUSA?
Three years - from 2-10 to 5-7 to 8-5 with a division championship and conference title game win...not saying he is the answer, but he turned around a program that only joined the ranks of DI in 1999...and his team stepped up to the plate and rolled over an undefeated Ball State team that was ranked in the Top 20 to win the title game...looks like taking a moribund program and making constant forward progress...
Sounds like T.W. from 2001 to 2003. He took a team that hadn't won a game vs. a team with a winning record in four seasons to three consecutive bowls.
As for progress, there really isn't much room to be worse and it's only three years.
As for the Ball State game--did you actually watch it? Ball State completely dominated the game--except they turned the ball over 5 times, two fumbles were returned for touchdown.
I know that the final score is what matters, but that was just "one of those games". And again, that was the first win EVER vs. a team with a winning record.
And for the most part, the teams Buffalo is playing aren't world beaters.
Heck if you want a coach who has more experience, has proven more, and has built a program from the doldrums of 1-AA to being competetive in a BCS conference, go with Randy Edsall from UConn.
I'm really not a big Tommy fan, especially after seeing the play of the team against UCF but throwing out Memphis' win total vs. winning teams is simplistic and has always been an issue with this program.
(12-20-2008 09:56 PM)JMSTiger Wrote: [ -> ]Of those 12 wins over the last three seasons vs. D1-A opponents, only 1 has come against a team that finished a season with a winning record (2007 Southern Miss team that finished 7-6). Everyone else the Tigers beat over the last three seasons finished .500 or worse. It is time for things to move from slightly worse than mediocre to slightly better than mediocre. If that does not happen starting next year, expect paid attendance at the Liberty Bowl to start averaging under 20,000 and actual attendance to be in the neighborhood of 12,000 or less, game in and game out. Going to toilet bowls every year because the Tigers won 6 or 7 games against a horrid schedule is not going to cut it anymore (unless the powers that be are happy with permanent mediocrity in the football program and 8,000 people in the stands on senior day).
It is the same thing...people keep raggin on TW's wins as if Memphis has had some sort of history of winning against tough competition when that apparently isn't the case. Stobart's 18-15 run from 92-94 included
only one win over a team with a winning record in those three years...a 6-4-1 Arkansas team in 1993.
It's not like he was facing woldbeaters either. And if he did, he sure wasn't beating them.
(12-20-2008 10:20 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: [ -> ]
Is his record against 1A competition the past 3 years really THAT much better?? I'll save you the math. It's 15-22 (.405), but he's the next Tom Osborne.
Meanwhile, over in the Land of Letterman, Brady Hoke went a combined 23-13 (.639) the past three seasons (I didn't count the loss to a 1AA team, just like I didn't count the win) and he was lucky to get the San Diego St job and didn't get as much as a whisper about any BCS jobs.
I know which coach I would hire and it sure ain't due to what color his wife is.
(12-23-2008 11:04 AM)TigerDrew Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ]Out of Ole Miss' eight wins this year, only two of them were against teams with winning records. Does that make their season "less special"?
They did at least have a winning season... that's pretty special.
(12-23-2008 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ]Memphis can't (at this point) help that the conference sucks. Memphis scheduled two quality BCS "names" this year, and consistently schedules at least two BCS schools (except last year). The conference is what it is, just like basketball.
Except in basketball we got sick of losing, hired a winner, and went to the final four last season.... While still playing in a terrible conference.
You guarantee me 6-0 against the teams with losing records and, most years, I'll take 2-4 if those 2 are on the road against the last 2 national champs. Who wouldn't??
I never advocated hiring Turner Gill - I just can see what some people see...the forward progress being made each season...and he didn't have the benefit of having one of the nation's top running backs during that time either...
(12-23-2008 12:05 PM)TigerEdward Wrote: [ -> ]Tommy has never showed the ability to win a conference championship at Memphis or either of his other head coaching stops.
His one year at Chattanooga?
Or his, what was it, 5 at a sanction-skating Clemson program, dealing with whoever's mess it was, Danny Ford's or Ken Hatfield's?
Now I'm not saying that he has the ability to win a conference championship, but if you're going to make a judgement, at least base it on a reasonable set of data.
(12-23-2008 11:45 AM)HoopDreams Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 11:36 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2008 10:20 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: [ -> ]
Why the fuss over this guy?
He coaches at Buffalo, and has gone 15-22 there. He has 1 win against a team with a winning record, and that was against Ball State last game.
What makes him so qualified, especially in light of the fact he is coaching in a conference RATED LOWER than CUSA?
Three years - from 2-10 to 5-7 to 8-5 with a division championship and conference title game win...not saying he is the answer, but he turned around a program that only joined the ranks of DI in 1999...and his team stepped up to the plate and rolled over an undefeated Ball State team that was ranked in the Top 20 to win the title game...looks like taking a moribund program and making constant forward progress...
Don't worry about it, I have a friend who is just like salukiblue. They both are the extremely bizarre type of Tigers fans in that they take every opportunity to criticize/bash CAL while defending the consistenly sub-mediocre/ completely inept program that the Big Doofus runs. Believe you me, you cannot win an argument with such an irrational fan.
Three different mods post on a thread criticizing Tommy West and it still gets moved to the smack board.
Priceless.
(12-23-2008 02:12 PM)Herff Tiger Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 12:05 PM)TigerEdward Wrote: [ -> ]Tommy has never showed the ability to win a conference championship at Memphis or either of his other head coaching stops.
His one year at Chattanooga?
Or his, what was it, 5 at a sanction-skating Clemson program, dealing with whoever's mess it was, Danny Ford's or Ken Hatfield's?
Now I'm not saying that he has the ability to win a conference championship, but if you're going to make a judgement, at least base it on a reasonable set of data.
14 years of data is quite a bit to make a judgement on.
(12-20-2008 09:56 PM)JMSTiger Wrote: [ -> ]Of those 12 wins over the last three seasons vs. D1-A opponents, only 1 has come against a team that finished a season with a winning record (2007 Southern Miss team that finished 7-6). Everyone else the Tigers beat over the last three seasons finished .500 or worse. It is time for things to move from slightly worse than mediocre to slightly better than mediocre. If that does not happen starting next year, expect paid attendance at the Liberty Bowl to start averaging under 20,000 and actual attendance to be in the neighborhood of 12,000 or less, game in and game out. Going to toilet bowls every year because the Tigers won 6 or 7 games against a horrid schedule is not going to cut it anymore (unless the powers that be are happy with permanent mediocrity in the football program and 8,000 people in the stands on senior day).
2-13 against teams ranked 1-79
but impressively 10-10 against the bottom 40
(12-23-2008 02:33 PM)Stumpbuster Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 11:45 AM)HoopDreams Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 11:36 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2008 10:20 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: [ -> ]
Why the fuss over this guy?
He coaches at Buffalo, and has gone 15-22 there. He has 1 win against a team with a winning record, and that was against Ball State last game.
What makes him so qualified, especially in light of the fact he is coaching in a conference RATED LOWER than CUSA?
Three years - from 2-10 to 5-7 to 8-5 with a division championship and conference title game win...not saying he is the answer, but he turned around a program that only joined the ranks of DI in 1999...and his team stepped up to the plate and rolled over an undefeated Ball State team that was ranked in the Top 20 to win the title game...looks like taking a moribund program and making constant forward progress...
Don't worry about it, I have a friend who is just like salukiblue. They both are the extremely bizarre type of Tigers fans in that they take every opportunity to criticize/bash CAL while defending the consistenly sub-mediocre/ completely inept program that the Big Doofus runs. Believe you me, you cannot win an argument with such an irrational fan.
Awww...Mr. Stumphumper, you make such generalizations. You should read about halfway up the post where I wrote:
"I'm really not a big Tommy fan, especially after seeing the play of the team against UCF but throwing out Memphis' win total vs. winning teams is simplistic and this has always been an issue with this program."
I certainly disagree with a lot of what West has done the past few years, but I understand a) I really have no ultimate say in the matter, and b) I disagree with some of the methodology in which people bash West.
I don't think pointing out won/loss record vs. winning teams really proves anything, many
good teams fare poorly against teams with winning records. And as you look at a previous post, Memphis has really
never had consistent success against teams with winning records, so blaming West for this is off base.
As for your love affair with Cal, what you do in private is up to you. Unless you have posted as someone else before, you are new to basketball posting and you would do well to use the 'search' function to look at many of my posts to determine my true assessment of Cal.
I simply, recently, have had concerns about his management of THIS team. I am entitled to my opinion, and unlike some posters, I base my opinion on tangible events based upon logic and reason. If you disagree with my opinion, then challenge my logic process, but don't throw out that moronic "In Cal I trust" crap.
Im thru with UofM football untill they make a attempt to move forward with a new coach for one,but it want happen anytime soon with all of these bowls out there.
(12-23-2008 03:40 PM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 02:33 PM)Stumpbuster Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 11:45 AM)HoopDreams Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 11:36 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2008 10:20 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: [ -> ]
Why the fuss over this guy?
He coaches at Buffalo, and has gone 15-22 there. He has 1 win against a team with a winning record, and that was against Ball State last game.
What makes him so qualified, especially in light of the fact he is coaching in a conference RATED LOWER than CUSA?
Three years - from 2-10 to 5-7 to 8-5 with a division championship and conference title game win...not saying he is the answer, but he turned around a program that only joined the ranks of DI in 1999...and his team stepped up to the plate and rolled over an undefeated Ball State team that was ranked in the Top 20 to win the title game...looks like taking a moribund program and making constant forward progress...
Don't worry about it, I have a friend who is just like salukiblue. They both are the extremely bizarre type of Tigers fans in that they take every opportunity to criticize/bash CAL while defending the consistenly sub-mediocre/ completely inept program that the Big Doofus runs. Believe you me, you cannot win an argument with such an irrational fan.
Awww...Mr. Stumphumper, you make such generalizations. You should read about halfway up the post where I wrote:
"I'm really not a big Tommy fan, especially after seeing the play of the team against UCF but throwing out Memphis' win total vs. winning teams is simplistic and this has always been an issue with this program."
I certainly disagree with a lot of what West has done the past few years, but I understand a) I really have no ultimate say in the matter, and b) I disagree with some of the methodology in which people bash West.
I don't think pointing out won/loss record vs. winning teams really proves anything, many good teams fare poorly against teams with winning records. And as you look at a previous post, Memphis has really never had consistent success against teams with winning records, so blaming West for this is off base.
As for your love affair with Cal, what you do in private is up to you. Unless you have posted as someone else before, you are new to basketball posting and you would do well to use the 'search' function to look at many of my posts to determine my true assessment of Cal.
I simply, recently, have had concerns about his management of THIS team. I am entitled to my opinion, and unlike some posters, I base my opinion on tangible events based upon logic and reason. If you disagree with my opinion, then challenge my logic process, but don't throw out that moronic "In Cal I trust" crap.
Willie Kemp starting quarterback 2009!!!! >rock smilie inserted<
I just love all the "up with mediocrity argulents"
maybe we should get rid of Calipari and head back to hoping for an NIT bid?
(12-23-2008 05:08 PM)calfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 03:40 PM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 02:33 PM)Stumpbuster Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 11:45 AM)HoopDreams Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 11:36 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2008 10:20 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: [ -> ]
Why the fuss over this guy?
He coaches at Buffalo, and has gone 15-22 there. He has 1 win against a team with a winning record, and that was against Ball State last game.
What makes him so qualified, especially in light of the fact he is coaching in a conference RATED LOWER than CUSA?
Three years - from 2-10 to 5-7 to 8-5 with a division championship and conference title game win...not saying he is the answer, but he turned around a program that only joined the ranks of DI in 1999...and his team stepped up to the plate and rolled over an undefeated Ball State team that was ranked in the Top 20 to win the title game...looks like taking a moribund program and making constant forward progress...
Don't worry about it, I have a friend who is just like salukiblue. They both are the extremely bizarre type of Tigers fans in that they take every opportunity to criticize/bash CAL while defending the consistenly sub-mediocre/ completely inept program that the Big Doofus runs. Believe you me, you cannot win an argument with such an irrational fan.
Awww...Mr. Stumphumper, you make such generalizations. You should read about halfway up the post where I wrote:
"I'm really not a big Tommy fan, especially after seeing the play of the team against UCF but throwing out Memphis' win total vs. winning teams is simplistic and this has always been an issue with this program."
I certainly disagree with a lot of what West has done the past few years, but I understand a) I really have no ultimate say in the matter, and b) I disagree with some of the methodology in which people bash West.
I don't think pointing out won/loss record vs. winning teams really proves anything, many good teams fare poorly against teams with winning records. And as you look at a previous post, Memphis has really never had consistent success against teams with winning records, so blaming West for this is off base.
As for your love affair with Cal, what you do in private is up to you. Unless you have posted as someone else before, you are new to basketball posting and you would do well to use the 'search' function to look at many of my posts to determine my true assessment of Cal.
I simply, recently, have had concerns about his management of THIS team. I am entitled to my opinion, and unlike some posters, I base my opinion on tangible events based upon logic and reason. If you disagree with my opinion, then challenge my logic process, but don't throw out that moronic "In Cal I trust" crap.
Willie Kemp starting quarterback 2009!!!! >rock smilie inserted<
Moronic reply #1.
(12-23-2008 05:21 PM)cmt Wrote: [ -> ]I just love all the "up with mediocrity argulents"
maybe we should get rid of Calipari and head back to hoping for an NIT bid?
Moronic reply #2.
Head back to? Didn't Memphis win it's only National Title under Cal? I remeber the Beale Street parade and everything.
I don't think pointing out won/loss record vs. winning teams really proves anything, many good teams fare poorly against teams with winning records. And as you look at a previous post, Memphis has really never had consistent success against teams with winning records, so blaming West for this is off base.
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24-19 against teams with losing records doesn't make me feel much better
(12-23-2008 05:26 PM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 05:08 PM)calfan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 03:40 PM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 02:33 PM)Stumpbuster Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 11:45 AM)HoopDreams Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 11:36 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2008 10:20 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: [ -> ]
Why the fuss over this guy?
He coaches at Buffalo, and has gone 15-22 there. He has 1 win against a team with a winning record, and that was against Ball State last game.
What makes him so qualified, especially in light of the fact he is coaching in a conference RATED LOWER than CUSA?
Three years - from 2-10 to 5-7 to 8-5 with a division championship and conference title game win...not saying he is the answer, but he turned around a program that only joined the ranks of DI in 1999...and his team stepped up to the plate and rolled over an undefeated Ball State team that was ranked in the Top 20 to win the title game...looks like taking a moribund program and making constant forward progress...
Don't worry about it, I have a friend who is just like salukiblue. They both are the extremely bizarre type of Tigers fans in that they take every opportunity to criticize/bash CAL while defending the consistenly sub-mediocre/ completely inept program that the Big Doofus runs. Believe you me, you cannot win an argument with such an irrational fan.
Awww...Mr. Stumphumper, you make such generalizations. You should read about halfway up the post where I wrote:
"I'm really not a big Tommy fan, especially after seeing the play of the team against UCF but throwing out Memphis' win total vs. winning teams is simplistic and this has always been an issue with this program."
I certainly disagree with a lot of what West has done the past few years, but I understand a) I really have no ultimate say in the matter, and b) I disagree with some of the methodology in which people bash West.
I don't think pointing out won/loss record vs. winning teams really proves anything, many good teams fare poorly against teams with winning records. And as you look at a previous post, Memphis has really never had consistent success against teams with winning records, so blaming West for this is off base.
As for your love affair with Cal, what you do in private is up to you. Unless you have posted as someone else before, you are new to basketball posting and you would do well to use the 'search' function to look at many of my posts to determine my true assessment of Cal.
I simply, recently, have had concerns about his management of THIS team. I am entitled to my opinion, and unlike some posters, I base my opinion on tangible events based upon logic and reason. If you disagree with my opinion, then challenge my logic process, but don't throw out that moronic "In Cal I trust" crap.
Willie Kemp starting quarterback 2009!!!! >rock smilie inserted<
Moronic reply #1.
(12-23-2008 05:21 PM)cmt Wrote: [ -> ]I just love all the "up with mediocrity argulents"
maybe we should get rid of Calipari and head back to hoping for an NIT bid?
Moronic reply #2.
Head back to? Didn't Memphis win it's only National Title under Cal? I remeber the Beale Street parade and everything.
Whats so moronic about it? I bet Willie turns it over way less than Hall does. And I am sure he throws less INTs per pass attempt >insert stir the pot smilie<
(12-23-2008 12:05 PM)TigerEdward Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 11:45 AM)HoopDreams Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2008 11:36 AM)salukiblue Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2008 10:20 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: [ -> ]
Why the fuss over this guy?
He coaches at Buffalo, and has gone 15-22 there. He has 1 win against a team with a winning record, and that was against Ball State last game.
What makes him so qualified, especially in light of the fact he is coaching in a conference RATED LOWER than CUSA?
Three years - from 2-10 to 5-7 to 8-5 with a division championship and conference title game win...not saying he is the answer, but he turned around a program that only joined the ranks of DI in 1999...and his team stepped up to the plate and rolled over an undefeated Ball State team that was ranked in the Top 20 to win the title game...looks like taking a moribund program and making constant forward progress...
Great post and rebuttle. The guy is driven and would be great here. However, I do realize that we would probably have to settle on a coordinator and an out of work coach. I prefer taking a good young assistant that is very charismatic. Charlie Strong would be good, Gus Malzahn would be better. Bring in Gus Malzanhn and hire a former tiger and a top notch recruiter like Larry Porter for OC (Gus would call the plays anyway). Tommy has never showed the ability to win a conference championship at Memphis or either of his other head coaching stops.
Nor at Clemson or Chatt (I believe)