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She should know. She got fired for mismanaging hers.

Well, the goals of a company and goals of a government are two different things, so I could see why she thinks that. There are two completely different mindsets when it comes to government and business.

Grammar-Nazi Wrote:She should know. She got fired for mismanaging hers.

She was ousted from HP after a petty pissing match with the board.

Think less about her management skills and more about playground stuff. It was one board member in particular that had a personal problem with her from the start.

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Grammar-Nazi Wrote:She should know. She got fired for mismanaging hers.

She was ousted from HP after a petty pissing match with the board.

Think less about her management skills and more about playground stuff. It was one board member in particular that had a personal problem with her from the start.

If you think what happened at HP was a petty pissing match, either you're grossly misinformed, or I'd hate to see what you consider a significant conflict. She wiretapped board members and members of the press. She also managed to run the company itself into the ground.

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BlazingGoat Wrote:

Grammar-Nazi Wrote:She should know. She got fired for mismanaging hers.

She was ousted from HP after a petty pissing match with the board.

Think less about her management skills and more about playground stuff. It was one board member in particular that had a personal problem with her from the start.

If you think what happened at HP was a petty pissing match, either you're grossly misinformed, or I'd hate to see what you consider a significant conflict. She wiretapped board members and members of the press. She also managed to run the company itself into the ground.

The willingness to readily compromise both principals and legalities needed in the realities of American business have always blended well with most political decision making. The background people like Karl Rove, Atwater and others of both parties have excelled in such behavior and thereby become very successful. In politics, opponents call it "flip-flopping" while supporters call it "adjusting to changing conditions". Businesspeople call it "playing the game".

Considering how few people have proven to be good at either application for very long, it would be hard to say which companies today's candidates might run, but both would very likely succeed for a while in either field. They are both intelligent, hard working and capable persons. I hope we make the best choice in November.

Some in the McCain camp (i.e., McCain himself) reportedly aren't happy about these comments:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200...iden-like/

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Grammar-Nazi Wrote:She should know. She got fired for mismanaging hers.

She was ousted from HP after a petty pissing match with the board.

Think less about her management skills and more about playground stuff. It was one board member in particular that had a personal problem with her from the start.

If you think what happened at HP was a petty pissing match, either you're grossly misinformed, or I'd hate to see what you consider a significant conflict. She wiretapped board members and members of the press. She also managed to run the company itself into the ground.

Um, that's not stupid. That's fact.

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Grammar-Nazi Wrote:She should know. She got fired for mismanaging hers.

She was ousted from HP after a petty pissing match with the board.

Think less about her management skills and more about playground stuff. It was one board member in particular that had a personal problem with her from the start.

If you think what happened at HP was a petty pissing match, either you're grossly misinformed, or I'd hate to see what you consider a significant conflict. She wiretapped board members and members of the press. She also managed to run the company itself into the ground.

Um, that's not stupid. That's fact.

Yet another one of those situations where you guys know a tidbit but think you know the rest...

I summarized the situation, I thought, quite well, but get told I am "grossly misinformed". Fact is, she never could get any traction at HP, she was being undermined by petty, personal, board politics from the start.

You guys need to get information from more than one source for a change.

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mixduptransistor Wrote:

BlazingGoat Wrote:

Grammar-Nazi Wrote:She should know. She got fired for mismanaging hers.

She was ousted from HP after a petty pissing match with the board.

Think less about her management skills and more about playground stuff. It was one board member in particular that had a personal problem with her from the start.

If you think what happened at HP was a petty pissing match, either you're grossly misinformed, or I'd hate to see what you consider a significant conflict. She wiretapped board members and members of the press. She also managed to run the company itself into the ground.

Um, that's not stupid. That's fact.

Yet another one of those situations where you guys know a tidbit but think you know the rest...

I summarized the situation, I thought, quite well, but get told I am "grossly misinformed". Fact is, she never could get any traction at HP, she was being undermined by petty, personal, board politics from the start.

You guys need to get information from more than one source for a change.

Have you ever heard of a company called Compaq? HP bought Compaq a few years back and it was Carly's idea. And it was a complete disaster. She gutted the printer division which was a freaking mint. I don't know how anyone can look objectively at the situation and think that Carly's problems at HP were not her own. These are all views I held before she got involved with the McCain campaign, before I knew what her political leanings were.

I figure Fiorina is going to disappear soon the same way Phil Gramm did when he stuck his foot in his mouth with his "nation of whiners" comment.. They'll hide her away to prevent any more stupid answers from embarassing the campaign till this blows over.

Nothing like a rogue surrogate to stir things up.

It's a true sign of the dire state of our economy that a Republican candidate for President is running out of acceptable surrogates to talk on the economy.

Then there's this bit of intelligent politics:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/...nomic.html

"ABC News' Lisa Chinn and Jennifer Parker report: Republican ticket mates John McCain and Sarah Palin Monday blasted corporate executives who leave their company with a "golden parachute" and pledged to "stop multimillion dollar payouts" to CEOs, seeming to forget their own top economic adviser Carly Fiorina walked away with $45 million, including a $21.4 million severance package when she was dismissed by Hewlett Packard in 2005."

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Grammar-Nazi Wrote:

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Grammar-Nazi Wrote:She should know. She got fired for mismanaging hers.

She was ousted from HP after a petty pissing match with the board.

Think less about her management skills and more about playground stuff. It was one board member in particular that had a personal problem with her from the start.

If you think what happened at HP was a petty pissing match, either you're grossly misinformed, or I'd hate to see what you consider a significant conflict. She wiretapped board members and members of the press. She also managed to run the company itself into the ground.

Um, that's not stupid. That's fact.

Yet another one of those situations where you guys know a tidbit but think you know the rest...

I summarized the situation, I thought, quite well, but get told I am "grossly misinformed". Fact is, she never could get any traction at HP, she was being undermined by petty, personal, board politics from the start.

You guys need to get information from more than one source for a change.

Have you ever heard of a company called Compaq? HP bought Compaq a few years back and it was Carly's idea. And it was a complete disaster. She gutted the printer division which was a freaking mint. I don't know how anyone can look objectively at the situation and think that Carly's problems at HP were not her own. These are all views I held before she got involved with the McCain campaign, before I knew what her political leanings were.

So we are talking about the Compaq acquisition now? Red Herring. I was talking about problems with the board which preceeded it, problems with the board which lead to the ultimate ouster. Sure, Compaq may have been a bad idea. I dunno for sure (you, on the other hand seem to know everything). It certainly was judged harshly in the short term, though they did post up a number of pretty decent quarters following the merger.

Last I checked, HP is in better shape today than Dell is. One of those things that make you go hmmm.

Not to mention that she inherited the company right at the end of the tech boom. Almost no companies in that sector did well during the same time.

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mixduptransistor Wrote:

BlazingGoat Wrote:

Grammar-Nazi Wrote:She should know. She got fired for mismanaging hers.

She was ousted from HP after a petty pissing match with the board.

Think less about her management skills and more about playground stuff. It was one board member in particular that had a personal problem with her from the start.

If you think what happened at HP was a petty pissing match, either you're grossly misinformed, or I'd hate to see what you consider a significant conflict. She wiretapped board members and members of the press. She also managed to run the company itself into the ground.

Um, that's not stupid. That's fact.

Yet another one of those situations where you guys know a tidbit but think you know the rest...

I summarized the situation, I thought, quite well, but get told I am "grossly misinformed". Fact is, she never could get any traction at HP, she was being undermined by petty, personal, board politics from the start.

You guys need to get information from more than one source for a change.

Have you ever heard of a company called Compaq? HP bought Compaq a few years back and it was Carly's idea. And it was a complete disaster. She gutted the printer division which was a freaking mint. I don't know how anyone can look objectively at the situation and think that Carly's problems at HP were not her own. These are all views I held before she got involved with the McCain campaign, before I knew what her political leanings were.

So we are talking about the Compaq acquisition now? Red Herring. I was talking about problems with the board which preceeded it, problems with the board which lead to the ultimate ouster. Sure, Compaq may have been a bad idea. I dunno for sure (you, on the other hand seem to know everything). It certainly was judged harshly in the short term, though they did post up a number of pretty decent quarters following the merger.

Last I checked, HP is in better shape today than Dell is. One of those things that make you go hmmm.

She still oversaw the dismantling of their most profitable division: printers. Anyone who has purchased an HP printer in the past 4 years knows the problems there, and they are mainly her doing.